The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:39 pm Nanook is having too much fun to be town

??????

What

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:38 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:02 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:38 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pm And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine.
that's a very broad and bold statement to make about colin, and one i don't like tbh. he read enough to give his 2 cents on the nutella/speedchuck episode, and jay's post was literally the first one which illustrates his lack of interest in the game. not far fetched that colin saw it and saw the tone at all.

reaching case, especially to imply that colin came in and blurted tmi from jay who would be complaining in scum chat (jay doesn't do that).

if i didn't have nutella in light green, on my very nice rainbow READS, i would vote her for liking this poop.
I don't specifically care for the implication that Jay was complaining in btsc. Just the general idea that they could be teammates and Colin was hyperaware that Jay wasn't up to living up to his usual meta. Like, that much was implied in Jay's post, but Colin ascribed particular importance to it in bringing up Jay for the hypothetical vig question.
I don’t know if I can find a way to believe that you believe this weird convoluted backstory to the most flippant post I’ve made all game

ok

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:30 pm
I have a sexy angleshooting alternate vote in mind, but I won't discuss that openly... I'll just let it inform my vote should the winds blow that way.

uhhhhh

[mention]sig[/mention] why'd you forget speedchuck he's so scummy how does no one see what I see

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:38 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pm And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine.
that's a very broad and bold statement to make about colin, and one i don't like tbh. he read enough to give his 2 cents on the nutella/speedchuck episode, and jay's post was literally the first one which illustrates his lack of interest in the game. not far fetched that colin saw it and saw the tone at all.

reaching case, especially to imply that colin came in and blurted tmi from jay who would be complaining in scum chat (jay doesn't do that).

if i didn't have nutella in light green, on my very nice rainbow READS, i would vote her for liking this poop.
I didn't imply JJJ was in the BTSC with Colin.

I... I'm pretty sure you did.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:38 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pm And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine.
that's a very broad and bold statement to make about colin, and one i don't like tbh. he read enough to give his 2 cents on the nutella/speedchuck episode, and jay's post was literally the first one which illustrates his lack of interest in the game. not far fetched that colin saw it and saw the tone at all.

reaching case, especially to imply that colin came in and blurted tmi from jay who would be complaining in scum chat (jay doesn't do that).

if i didn't have nutella in light green, on my very nice rainbow READS, i would vote her for liking this poop.

I don't specifically care for the implication that Jay was complaining in btsc. Just the general idea that they could be teammates and Colin was hyperaware that Jay wasn't up to living up to his usual meta. Like, that much was implied in Jay's post, but Colin ascribed particular importance to it in bringing up Jay for the hypothetical vig question.

But re: is there anything else, I basically haven't liked any of speed's posts this game. So *gestures vaguely at iso"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus
I feel like there is more to speedchuck’s read than that. He seems to be beefing with the particular language of rej’s post, arguing that it lacks direction rather than simply being non-committal. Is there anything else?

But like what's wrong with lacking direction? Are players not allowed to ramble/post stream of consciousness thoughts?

loljack

can I rely on your reads here for similar reasons?

basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 pm Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum
I want examples! Give me some examples! I assume you’ve already given examples, but I haven’t been laying attention and i’m on my phone!

The post I responded to above that one

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:43 pm Nanook has got to play with wilgy and/or marmot someday
I don't know these names please tell me more about them

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:16 am

That's a good lookin cactass

Oh also he fed speed shrimp sensually or something.

Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum

Yeah he doesn't know what to think of drago and is being wishy-washy. Easily a town mindset.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:43 pm Nanook has got to play with wilgy and/or marmot someday
I don't know these names please tell me more about them

They're both goofy players who like to make silly wifom jokes about scum chat like yours. Notably at least once when they were actually both scum together lol. They're p funny guys but haven't really been around much lately

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 pm Sadly few people making their themselves apparent. We won't win with townies not towning.

Everyone reply to this question please.

If you had a vig to use right now who do you use it on and why?
Jay, in part to put him out of his misery
So, other than:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:46 am gonna be useless for a while, gang. I said as much, but there's no way for me to be doing this right now.
From JJJ, he didn't say much about being needed to be put out of his misery.

And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine.

Ahhh I like this. I kinda forgot Colin was even playing which could be a bad sign though he was pretty inactive in inception as well

Nanook has got to play with wilgy and/or marmot someday

Like sure this could be dunya's wolf game but who tf knows at this point

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm I kinda suspect Dunya but Jack and Dunya fighting from the starting gun is played out.
Is the rest of Dunya fairly standard from them regardless of alignment that you only put that as 'kinda suspect', or is there more too that that you don't really want to vote for them?
Both.

I get false pings from Dunya sometimes. Her town game and her wolf game are very similar looking.

Also, I like Dunya and she's hard to lynch. I would have to be a lot more sure of my read to have a chance of successfully lynching her.

Agreeeeee

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:25 pm The out of order poll is annoying me more than I thought it would.

I'll have to remember to do that for my next game.

Chaos reigns

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am
Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.
wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.
Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.
tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form
Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

So?

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:12 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:11 pm Oh gross, not doing that then. Don't want to vote with Dunya.
Gross? Why??
The same reasons I'd vote for DDL are truer of dunya than they are DDL, so. Just doesn't work for me now.

Oh I see.

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:11 pm Oh gross, not doing that then. Don't want to vote with Dunya.

Gross? Why??

I like dunya's take on ddl. I don't have a great sense of how to read ddl so I'm on the fence (hi yes lol) but I have gotten a vaguely stiff/insincere vibe from some of his posts

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:53 am Took a look at Dom's ISO. It's not that long of a read. It consists of him asking superbasic questions ("And what does asking superbasic questions mean to you?") and telling people they're full of shit. No follow-up detected, so the questions appear to be designed to look probing, but it falls very flat every time. What that means to me is that Dom wishes to look aggressive toward Jack and nutella, and to seem game-solvey with the questions, but isn't putting any real heart into them. Questions without purpose are filler, and filler is a scum tell.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This would be a fine read in a vacuum, but like, that's just like, Dom's style, man.

Except for this question it's very dom-style and silly

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:17 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am
Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.
wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.
Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.
and if it is, what does that tell you?

and if it isn't, what does that tell you?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:39 pm

Also this is like one of those salads where it seems like you're being healthy but it's actually 1300 calories.

This is hilarious
but actually dunya is p legit

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:23 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:03 am
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:49 am Her fence sitting would feel a lot more in her baddie-meta than her civ-meta, to me Dom. I'm curious for her to weigh in on it herself now though.

Anyways, I just spent far longer on this than I meant to (and I'm aware most of that was far to meta a discussion to be particularly useful, so apologies for those who have no interest in that sort of overall game analysis and just like the skin and bones of a game to chew on, I'll try and focus on the issues at hand tomorrow), have an exam in a few hours and still need to actually sleep. I will be back with plenty of time before the lynch ends though, so shouldn't be an issue.
Fence-sitting and flip-flopping is definitely, firmly, squarely my town meta. Dom is right about that. It's just early enough in the game that I mostly just have the starting reads that I may flip-flop on later.
Most recent scum games? I'd like to see if you fake it as scum, or alternatively are the same as scum.

The aussie one

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:11 am

I also am a hypocrite in that I will lie about my reads and/or my confidence in them a relatively frequent amount of the time while also believing that town should mostly be honest about their reads.

actually same tho lol

like I was kind of trying to say in response to dom, my confidence in speed being scum was fairly strong at first but is probably declining/will decline as more stuff happens, but I'm maintaining a worldview that he's scum partially as a perspective to aid in content generation/reactions (both from others and from myself). I've certainly been misleading about how confident I was about a read in past games to various effects (then sometimes getting looked at funny when I back off them lol).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:04 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:00 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:32 am Reads lists on the other hand are bad and should be outlawed.
Now this is some spice from the frosty fellow.
I’ve said it before.

I’m sure I’ll say it again.

Reads lists give scum a roadmap to the game and are bad.

Yes I’m sure many of you will have rebuttals, some of you maybe the same ones I heard in Inception, I’m still not interested and you’re not going to change my mind with some “but the reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaads” argument. Most reads are meaningless to begin with, putting that many out there just makes it easier for scum to plan their night game.

That's actually a pretty good point.

Maybe I'll try to go a whole game without doing a rainbow list. Still, I think there's a balance to be found there -- while you have a point that there is value in keeping your reads fairly close to your chest to avoid scum taking advantage of them, sharing reads is still a crucial tool for the town in solving the game and in order for the town to function as a team there needs to be a decent amount of communication to that end.

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:49 am Her fence sitting would feel a lot more in her baddie-meta than her civ-meta, to me Dom. I'm curious for her to weigh in on it herself now though.

Anyways, I just spent far longer on this than I meant to (and I'm aware most of that was far to meta a discussion to be particularly useful, so apologies for those who have no interest in that sort of overall game analysis and just like the skin and bones of a game to chew on, I'll try and focus on the issues at hand tomorrow), have an exam in a few hours and still need to actually sleep. I will be back with plenty of time before the lynch ends though, so shouldn't be an issue.

Fence-sitting and flip-flopping is definitely, firmly, squarely my town meta. Dom is right about that. It's just early enough in the game that I mostly just have the starting reads that I may flip-flop on later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:44 am Trust others, but don’t trust yourself to be right about them and you’ll be golden.

We all aspire to be Golden.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:32 am Reads lists on the other hand are bad and should be outlawed.

Now this is some spice from the frosty fellow.

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:12 am Chaos definitely helps town more than it helps mafia.
I do not agree.

Chaotic EODs with lots of vote switches/counter-wagons more often lead to scum lynches, I believe. I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure it's a thing.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:26 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:48 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:23 pm Saying something is "interesting" is just about the most boring thing you could do.
I thought we had a game without Epi for once
Do you have something to say or are you going to obfuscate more?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:02 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:23 pm Saying something is "interesting" is just about the most boring thing you could do.
It’s a meme. That scum can’t say what they mean because they don’t have legit opinions or are afraid to look to eager so they just call things interesting. That’s why Speed and I capitalized the word INTERESTING.

It’s being like “haha I am using a scumtell.”

Though for realzies I was interested in seeing where you would go with the Nutella accusation.
Sure. I'll buy that on sale.

Nutella is declaring people civvie, and is sure of all her reads. There is no wavering. There is no fence sitting. There is no worry.
I don't think it's a civ look for her.

boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:36 pm Okay. Caught up.

Some off-topic-ish acculturation rants to start:
1) I dislike that vote-changing is so popular now. Keeping track of shit is a headache. Seeing someone call a vote, wanting to look at it more for the why, only to get further and they've changed it again (and again, and maybe again). Grr.
2) I dislike how much people are now willing to openly call townreads on people. On day fucking 1. WIFOM on WIFOM on WIFOM. It feels so calculated and head-spinning for me.

So those are both things that threw me off in Inception as well and I'm already chewing through here. It feels even more heightened in this game because I didn't replace in just to immediately get killed.
Boo.

It's too early for the wavering and worry. That will come by later in the phase. And I actually don't have that many strong reads. I declared Creature town, I said I townleaned on several people (note: lean), and I am seeing speed as scum with a pretty strong read but it may waver with more content. It's just my starting point.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:20 pm Spicy take #2

Sloonei developed his opinion on ddl as a spectator, then replaced into a scum slot, learned ddl is not on his team, and ran with it. And also is teammates with speed.

The first clause is correct. Do you have reason to believe the others? Why is speedchuck my partner?
I entertained the idea that Jay was scum so yeah. Speed is my top suspect, and I didn't like how Jay treated him, and I found your interaction with him compatible as well.
Oh right, I kinda forgot i’m replacing into a player slot that has actually been active. Meh. I can’t speak for anything Jay did in his time here. You’ll all have a read on me before long.

I mean he had like two posts lol.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:20 pm Spicy take #2

Sloonei developed his opinion on ddl as a spectator, then replaced into a scum slot, learned ddl is not on his team, and ran with it. And also is teammates with speed.

The first clause is correct. Do you have reason to believe the others? Why is speedchuck my partner?

I entertained the idea that Jay was scum so yeah. Speed is my top suspect, and I didn't like how Jay treated him, and I found your interaction with him compatible as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:21 pm The only thing lower than my standards are my prices.

Is this why you have a gf and Jay doesn't?

Spicy take #2

Sloonei developed his opinion on ddl as a spectator, then replaced into a scum slot, learned ddl is not on his team, and ran with it. And also is teammates with speed.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:17 pm Counterpoint: Jay is overpriced Sloonei.

Fuckin gottem

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 pm All this talk about bargain bin Jay manifested him

Lmfao

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:23 pm Saying something is "interesting" is just about the most boring thing you could do.

I thought we had a game without Epi for once

boo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:43 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:46 am I've never watched The Wire. Is there anything I need to know?
That you should stop whatever you're doing and go fix this immediately.

Yo [mention]boo[/mention] come back

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:16 pm Jack has been "fine" like how my vote on you was "interesting"

Yeah, exactly.

I mean I still don't get why his vote is on me but w/e

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:35 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:18 pm
Nutella has said pretty much nothing this game.

But she's used a lot of players' names.
Bro I have the second most posts in the game and most of them are content. I've definitely given more reads than you have. You haven't even explained your vote for me lol.

Usually when you go after me like this you're town... but I thought something had changed the last couple times we were town together, and then last game we were scum buddies so you saw my shitty scum game up close. So you should know better by now. Find another way to stir things up, maybe talk about someone other than me for once.
WARNING! This post contains:
--Gambler's Fallacy
--Appeal to Emotion
--Assumption of The Future Being Like the Past
--Bullshit

@nutella is @Jackofhearts2005 full of shit?

No idea where you're getting gambler's fallacy lol. I just meant that we had finally started to see eye to eye sometimes and I thought you might have a better handle on how to read me after recent games.

Jack has been fine so far.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:18 pm
Nutella has said pretty much nothing this game.

But she's used a lot of players' names.

Bro I have the second most posts in the game and most of them are content. I've definitely given more reads than you have. You haven't even explained your vote for me lol.

Usually when you go after me like this you're town... but I thought something had changed the last couple times we were town together, and then last game we were scum buddies so you saw my shitty scum game up close. So you should know better by now. Find another way to stir things up, maybe talk about someone other than me for once.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:31 pm The more I think about it, the more Jay’s girl being “busy” or “tired” or whatever sounds like a wolf plot.
Lolol are we bringing Jay's love life into this
I don’t think there’s any other path forward.

I mean that's the question isn't it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:31 pm The more I think about it, the more Jay’s girl being “busy” or “tired” or whatever sounds like a wolf plot.

Lolol are we bringing Jay's love life into this

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