The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:09 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 pm nutella I have a hard time believing your recent TH suspicion is even legit.

If you have stuck to "I still think TH is a civ but I need to vote for self-defense"...

But after all the arguing, all the "evidence", you tell us you now think he's bad? Wtf?

Self-defense is something everyone does, but you have failed to show you that your "reads" are legit. They are made up.
I lost a lot of my conviction in my other suspicions. I decided to break down my TH trust and I ended up developing a theory of a TH/Epi mafia.
"developing"

Yeah bro I'm over here building houses and you're sitting here quoting words and snickering

I don't make stuff up. I change my mind. You all have played with me jesus fucking christ you never learn

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 pm nutella I have a hard time believing your recent TH suspicion is even legit.

If you have stuck to "I still think TH is a civ but I need to vote for self-defense"...

But after all the arguing, all the "evidence", you tell us you now think he's bad? Wtf?

Self-defense is something everyone does, but you have failed to show you that your "reads" are legit. They are made up.

I lost a lot of my conviction in my other suspicions. I decided to break down my TH trust and I ended up developing a theory of a TH/Epi mafia.

The ghost of Jacob is haunting all of your sorry asses.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:02 pm DDL wheres the butthurt-o-meter look how much I'm fighting I am not going down all chill like enrique
I wasn't even the one who brought that up originally and I doubt it counts here.

Why? Why am I an exception?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:02 pm DDL wheres the butthurt-o-meter look how much I'm fighting I am not going down all chill like enrique
You've done nothing today but try to save your own ass.

Pass.

Yeah because if I die it's mylo right? I want to fucking win

I almost wish I was bad so I didn't have to be so ashamed that I probably lost us the damn game by sucking at being town

DDL wheres the butthurt-o-meter look how much I'm fighting I am not going down all chill like enrique

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:52 pm Golden, I'm taking a leap of faith. You can too. You too, juliets, DDL.
nut, you have given no reason for your turn around on TH.
I have too many reasons to doubt all my other theories. He dun fooled me. Occam's razor has flipped over.
You have many reasons and not enough convictions. You are bad.

When the fuck have I ever had convictions as town.

No u.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:58 pm Nut, I think you’re bad. I did my homework. I DO see your town game - it’s why I didn’t suspect anything for so long. But really your interactions look terrible, your game looks focussed in the wrong places, I think I’m right.

What fucking interactions look terrible. I was responsible for the first baddie lynch and voted in both of the other ones as well. Sure I flip flopped on them a bit but that's my fucking town game.

Well here are my dying words. I no longer think Golden or DH are bad. Lynch Epi and TH, if that fails then DDL. Good luck. Sorry I fucked up. Really thought i'd make it through a game as town for once but I just suck at this game I've been playing for ten years I guess.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:52 pm Golden, I'm taking a leap of faith. You can too. You too, juliets, DDL.
nut, you have given no reason for your turn around on TH.

I have too many reasons to doubt all my other theories. He dun fooled me. Occam's razor has flipped over.

[mention]Golden[/mention] idk how you see posts like this and not see through to my town self.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:41 pm
I mean basically. Because at this stage of the game that is actually kind of how it works. The mafia are desperate to mislynch and I'm an easy scapegoat. If you're town please fucking think about this for five minutes.

Golden, I'm taking a leap of faith. You can too. You too, juliets, DDL.

Does nobody want to try TH first tho

Is literally nobody even considering that I'm town here like wtf what are y'all planning to do when I flip

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:44 pm Let's get this deceptive vegetable or so help me
You've spiraled, just like the rest of your team has. I'm comfortable with my vote. You did well.

I really didn't and I feel responsible for my own mislynch so sorry town

I'm taking full responsibility now epi. I have played the shittiest possible civ game and fell for the stupidest mistake in the book. I repent. Lynch TH.

Let's get this deceptive vegetable or so help me

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine

I believe inh is not a threat

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:35 pm [VOTE: inh] aubergine

If he flips town I'd look into a TH/Epi mafia
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Take some responsibility for once.

I don't know what you mean by this

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:37 pm Inh is third party. He claimed it.

Oh? Where? And is he anti town or not a threat?

[VOTE: inh] aubergine

If he flips town I'd look into a TH/Epi mafia

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:32 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 pm Is the following statement true?

DDL and Epignosis are the only two who are examining the content of dead mafia and trying to sort out who is bad.
False. I've been doing it, admittedly with the help of DDL's organizational skills.
You ignore them unless I ask you to read them. This happened twice today.
No?? I independently decided today to look into epi.
You asked me why I was voting for you while ignoring an interactions post I'd just made about you and Enrique. You had to be pointed out at why I thought DH and Epi aren't teammates. You aren't reading my big ass posts. Granted I assume post people aren't, but you just said you are getting help from my organizatinal skills which is something you are not doing.

I read them and said I was going to reread them and did. I don't skip posts in mafia. I have read every single word of this thread.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 pm Is the following statement true?

DDL and Epignosis are the only two who are examining the content of dead mafia and trying to sort out who is bad.
False. I've been doing it, admittedly with the help of DDL's organizational skills.
You ignore them unless I ask you to read them. This happened twice today.

No?? I independently decided today to look into epi.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:21 pm I could vote inh. Something really read town in him to me, and I keep going back and forth on whether his suspicion of me (and of TH) is genuine or is mafia pushing the easy scapegoat.

You could vote Jesus right now.

I think you are playing this "Civilian me is wishy-washy" nonsense. Grow a spine and make some choices. Stand by them today. It's too late to tell me who you could vote for. We already know.

That you followed it up with "something really read" without specifying what kills me.

Make some decisions and quit being a goober.

If you are good, that is.

If you is not, well...

Dude I literally just want to survive the lynch. I'm not fucking confident about anything anymore after today. I wish I could nail down who's bad but I can't so I am just going to do my best to ensure that someone I know is town isn't lynched.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:32 pm I'ma feel really dumb if he's bad lmao. I really really think he is not though. Unless epi is his teammate, he picked all civs for his crew, and the thing with Colin and how money has been exchanged was so pro-town.
You are just not feeling like you are objective or rational you are just insisting on something for the sake of not losing the argument.

Not sure if that is AI tbh.

I have many reasons to believe it, like i just said he interactionally looks good. I could be wrong. I'd be pretty embarrassed about this game if I was.

Oops hit submit I meant to say to ddl that I literally just said his interactions with the dead baddies look good.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:32 pm I'ma feel really dumb if he's bad lmao. I really really think he is not though. Unless epi is his teammate, he picked all civs for his crew, and the thing with Colin and how money has been exchanged was so pro-town.
I like think TH is a civ but all your reasons for thinking the same are such BS.

Giving money to a civ: NAI
Having a protagonist role: NAI

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:21 pm I could vote inh. Something really read town in him to me, and I keep going back and forth on whether his suspicion of me (and of TH) is genuine or is mafia pushing the easy scapegoat.
oops here comes the totally cool INH wagon led by Epi/Nutella/TH

I'd still rather lynch you or golden, but I'm tryna survive here. And I don't want to be giving inh a pass just cause he sounded genuine for a couple days.

But I'm leaning bad on him after his vote post just now. He hasn't posted a lot and when he has it's been to push for my lynch.

I could vote inh. Something really read town in him to me, and I keep going back and forth on whether his suspicion of me (and of TH) is genuine or is mafia pushing the easy scapegoat.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 pm Is the following statement true?

DDL and Epignosis are the only two who are examining the content of dead mafia and trying to sort out who is bad.
False. I've been doing it, admittedly with the help of DDL's organizational skills.
You don't trust TH because of his interactions with Enrique or DF or Sokoth. You trust him because of roles and money. That's not useful at this stage.

You don't trust juliets because of interactions with Enrique or DF or Sokoth. I don't blame you for that, but I don't see you drawing any conclusions whatsoever about who is bad based on their relations with dead mafia. That's concerning to me. If I'm wrong, let me know. Who do you trust based on interactions with dead mafia?

I actually do think TH's interactions with the dead mafia all look pretty good for him.

I would be willing to take a chance on TH if it would mean not dying. I'm town guys.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:09 pm So here’s the thing crystallising in my head.

The reason I know what the rules say under general ino is I need to know to solve the game. The reason nutella didn’t know is that she didn’t need to know.

I also thing all the teammate interactions are there. My iso was pretty clear - others should try it. I’d put the odds at 80% out of that

I'm sure I read it at the beginning and I forgot. As I said the thing about his role just recently occurred to me and since every main protagonist who has flipped so far has been town so I made an assumption without checking the rules again.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 pm Is the following statement true?

DDL and Epignosis are the only two who are examining the content of dead mafia and trying to sort out who is bad.

False. I've been doing it, admittedly with the help of DDL's organizational skills.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:32 pm I'ma feel really dumb if he's bad lmao. I really really think he is not though. Unless epi is his teammate, he picked all civs for his crew, and the thing with Colin and how money has been exchanged was so pro-town.
News flash:

Spoiler: show
Nothing anybody did with money is "pro-town" because money doesn't mean shit when it comes to figuring out who is bad and who isn't.

It does though. There were info items and shit.

And no golden you haven't done all the same things, afaik you didn't do the same thing he did with Colin.

If TH is bad I will fully embrace my identity as a gullible-ass basic bitch

I literally only realized his role claim made him look town like last night though, and up until then I had already been sold on his townieness. I'd still be absolutely blindsided if he's bad. Id have been played like a fucking violin .

I'ma feel really dumb if he's bad lmao. I really really think he is not though. Unless epi is his teammate, he picked all civs for his crew, and the thing with Colin and how money has been exchanged was so pro-town.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:24 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:21 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:18 pm BTW what exactly is the problem with me not backing of TH ‘like I said I would’ (I didn’t) anyway. Can’t I change my mind?

Your wholebehaviour towards TH is a massive part about what I really dislike about you. It’s pocketing so blatantly. Unlike you and juliets, I still don’t see any reason to hold TH in the high esteem you do.
For fucks sake he told us his role in the ship and we have every reason to believe it.
His role? What do you mean? As far as I’m aware there is no such thing as a role tied to affiliation.
All of the main protagonists of the show have been civs. He is one of the main protagonists.
Read the opening post under ‘general info’

This is the biggest bullshit reason to trust someone. The mechanics cannot break the balance of the game.

Ah I did miss that. Okay. I have enough reason otherwise to think he is town but that makes it less of a lock.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:21 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:18 pm BTW what exactly is the problem with me not backing of TH ‘like I said I would’ (I didn’t) anyway. Can’t I change my mind?

Your wholebehaviour towards TH is a massive part about what I really dislike about you. It’s pocketing so blatantly. Unlike you and juliets, I still don’t see any reason to hold TH in the high esteem you do.
For fucks sake he told us his role in the ship and we have every reason to believe it.
His role? What do you mean? As far as I’m aware there is no such thing as a role tied to affiliation.

All of the main protagonists of the show have been civs. He is one of the main protagonists.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:18 pm BTW what exactly is the problem with me not backing of TH ‘like I said I would’ (I didn’t) anyway. Can’t I change my mind?

Your wholebehaviour towards TH is a massive part about what I really dislike about you. It’s pocketing so blatantly. Unlike you and juliets, I still don’t see any reason to hold TH in the high esteem you do.

For fucks sake he told us his role in the ship and we have every reason to believe it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:49 pm Epi I found some dirt on Golden. What do you think of his weird "if enri flips bad I guess TH is town" thing? And the possibility that he killed speed to make me look bad and/or make him look better?
I'll get back to you. If you don't mind, I'd like you to list as many impossibilities that come to your mind.
You mean people I'm confident are not mafia? Myself, TH, juliets.
You keep talking about possibilities. Unless there is something that is an impossibility, talking about possibilities is meaningless.

If you can't name one thing that cannot possibly be true in the context of this Day 7, then asking me to comment on "the possibility that [Golden] killed speed" isn't anything I'm interested in worrying about.

Tell me what cannot possibly be true. Set those parameters. If you can't, then you are treating Day 7 like it's Day 1, and I gots no time for that.

Those people I said can't be bad. I don't think you can be bad with DH or DDL.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:50 pm I strongly encourage everyone to reread my exchange with golden from this morning. His case on me is based in crap and I think I caught some mistakes he made.
I strongly encourage this too. I don’t think it’s possible for a civilian to come out saying my case is based on crap.

Ok not entirely, because I can't argue against some of the interactions that looked bad for me, but some of it was actually based in false premises (eg the Sokoth vote error).

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:49 pm Epi I found some dirt on Golden. What do you think of his weird "if enri flips bad I guess TH is town" thing? And the possibility that he killed speed to make me look bad and/or make him look better?
Why do you keep chopping that quote in half? I also said if Enrique is town, we should go on to lynch TH the next day. My point was that I didn’t think they were bad together.

Why is it bad?

You keep saying it is bad. You can’t explain why.

Because that part is irrelevant. Enrique was bad. I don't care what you "would have" done if he was good. I care that you didn't seem to back off TH like you said you would. And that it looked like an ass-covering for when TH would flip civ.

TH* not "the"

INH is in a weird space where I really don't think he's mafia but it's not as strong a certainty as the and juliets.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:49 pm Epi I found some dirt on Golden. What do you think of his weird "if enri flips bad I guess TH is town" thing? And the possibility that he killed speed to make me look bad and/or make him look better?
I'll get back to you. If you don't mind, I'd like you to list as many impossibilities that come to your mind.

You mean people I'm confident are not mafia? Myself, TH, juliets.

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