The Syndicate

I just feel like I missed something.

Is Dom's comment basically how you feel about Quin here?

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:26 am Specifically voting off wagon when its pretty obvious that sabie is gonna move her vote to self preserve?

Just feels like Quin doesn't want to help either lynch train.

I don't think quin looks good but do you feel more strongly about him than you do about Michelle?

Uh, ok

I feel okay about michelle's response. Staying on sabie to hopefully keep eod interesting

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:14 am probably not gonna be here for eod, so [VOTE: nutella] aubergine. sloonei would also work. night.

why? and why would sloonei "also work"??? please clarify

also what are your thoughts on the two leading wagons, sabie and michelle? no input there? have you been reading?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:50 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:47 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:47 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:46 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:42 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:40 am Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?
No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.
I'd also be inclined to say it's dumb. But I still want the question to be asked.
Are you a civilian?
I am.
Then shut the fuck up and accept the double vote power I am conferring upon you.

I have a brutal schedule coming up and on top of that I have to work like a bitch.

Don't overthink it. It's really that plain.

hm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:40 am Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

Is he succeeding? :P

At this point I'm not going to change my mind due to Epi repeating the same thing over and over. I need to see Michelle's response.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:12 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:10 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:07 am But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.
I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao
No, not the same thing LMAO.

For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

Well, I disagree.

I'm pretty sure I've made a similar argument before, that someone I suspected was pocketing someone I townread. It's just a matter of what your assumptions are going in.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:09 am @nutella help me figure out how to read G-Man and Long Con. Are either of them town?

I'm feeling pretty null on G, and it's been a while so not confident in my ability to read him. Leaning scum on LC. I know he tends to be fairly laid-back but I expect at least something mildly spicy from him from time to time and I don't see the spark.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:07 am But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:00 am
OK.
I'll chew on that.

Let's say sabie isn't in the game.

Why do we lynch and why?

At the moment I would say Epi or LC because they are being very go with the flow/unconcerned with actually solving.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:47 am Again I'm not reading.

Hur de dur

But:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm Yeah I especially don't like the post Gman called the worst from sabie. Saying she was equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates on d1 doesn't look good at all in hindsight. And in her recent posts I still get the sense she is using the jack and tony flips to set me up as the next ML.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine
"Equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates?"

What the hell does that mean?

How does it mean anything in hindsight?

This post:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.

Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.

Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.

This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.

imo it's not a good look now knowing jack and tony were both town (and also knowing I myself am town) -- with three town wagons on d1 the mafia would be fine with any but try to look like they have a reason for voting one over the others

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:37 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:35 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:07 am I’ve been waiting for nutella to do something impactful that I can respond to today.
Sorry been doing stuff.

I think your criticism of G's iso was a little over the top tbh. But you quickly backed off of that anyway.

I had a very specific reason to think you were town earlier today but you're acting so jumpy idk if I should be so confident. Heeeeere we goooo
care to share?

Something about the way you were theorizing about the Jack kill. Looking back I'm not sure if I should put too much stock into it though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:36 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:03 am nutella voted for me and is now voting for sabie. If Michelle is bad, lynch nutella next.
What is wrong with my vote for sabie? I think there is a case on her, and fwiw I don't think she would be "stupid" to have killed Jack here, or that it's too easy of a WIFOM argument to make. I think it makes sense in conjunction with her slight push of me which she seems to be backing off of now that nobody is biting.

And what link do you see between me and Michelle? I mean, I townread her What, do you know she'll flip bad and you want to line up a townie to take the fall?
Why do you townread her?

It's still not a strong read but her tone sounds genuine and solvey in a way I'm used to Michelle being, like asking lots of nitpicky questions and focusing a lot on exchanges with players she suspects. She can get kinda tunnelly which might be why you didn't like her Tony progression while I thought it was consistent with her town style.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:35 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:09 am See that big thing I enlarged? Where I come from, we call that "horseshit."

In order for this to be correct, Michelle has to know Sloonei is a civilian.

Oops.
Since you are paying attention nutella, talk about this.

Could be something. Could be that she's just working from a townread of Sloonei and seeing potential pocket behavior. I've definitely done similar things as town, it doesn't require TMI to see things like that if you have the corresponding read biases on those players.

I'll take it into consideration though. Michelle could be scum here. I don't feel too strongly about her yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:07 am I’ve been waiting for nutella to do something impactful that I can respond to today.

Sorry been doing stuff.

I think your criticism of G's iso was a little over the top tbh. But you quickly backed off of that anyway.

I had a very specific reason to think you were town earlier today but you're acting so jumpy idk if I should be so confident. Heeeeere we goooo

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:03 am nutella voted for me and is now voting for sabie. If Michelle is bad, lynch nutella next.

What is wrong with my vote for sabie? I think there is a case on her, and fwiw I don't think she would be "stupid" to have killed Jack here, or that it's too easy of a WIFOM argument to make. I think it makes sense in conjunction with her slight push of me which she seems to be backing off of now that nobody is biting.

And what link do you see between me and Michelle? I mean, I townread her

What, do you know she'll flip bad and you want to line up a townie to take the fall?

Yeah I especially don't like the post Gman called the worst from sabie. Saying she was equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates on d1 doesn't look good at all in hindsight. And in her recent posts I still get the sense she is using the jack and tony flips to set me up as the next ML.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

@jack guess it worked

Hmmm spicy

[mention]sabie12[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] looking forward to your comments

also tfw df is putting in more hunting effort than me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:27 pm I talked about why I think Michelle’s progression on Tony was bogus here and I’d like to hear what others have to say about her.

Michelle responded here.

The only part of your gripes with her I really got was your point that scum are more likely to accuse people for focusing on mechanics rather than being the ones to bring up mechanics themselves. I think I still lean town on Michelle by default but it's not that strong so I'm hoping your dialogue with her will develop more today, I expect if she's town it'll shine through to me and if it doesn't I may join you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:51 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

I do not like his Jack vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:46 am I think I’d add Epi to my Do Not Lynch list for today. His play feels entirely uncalculated and nonchalant. These are not things I associate with evil epi.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:41 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:40 pm of course lmao

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

tell me why you aint full o shit
I had a BM promptly at 2pm EST and have not had anything to eat since then.
What do you think Michelle’s alignment is in this game? What do you think nutella’s alignment is?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I take it you still townread Epi as per the second post here? Any additional thoughts? I'm not inspired by his posts so far this phase, but by his own admission he's not heavily invested in putting much effort into this game so I probably shouldn't read alignment into his laziness.

I guess I can't fault him for sheeping you, you're one of my stronger town reads so far. But part of me says I shouldn't put it past him to buddy you and hide behind the lazy approach.

I guess Quin would also be a candidate then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:49 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I do not follow. Nutella did not vote for Tony, and I find it a bit of a stretch to assume that Jack was killed for the purpose of silencing his criticism of nutella. Plus, we now know that Jack would have been a perfectly viable counterwagon yesterday if nutella was bad and the mafia team wanted to save her. There wouldn’t have been a need for any of them to push to Tony (and no reason not to. My point is that I don’t see how this pair of deaths reflects poorly on nutella specifically). Is there more to this suspicion?

So you don't think the kill was a frame of me? That was my first thought, and that sabie either bought it or is promoting the narrative that I'm scum.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Was it you? Or is this too easy of a bite

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:57 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:54 pm Nice kill choice baddies. It gives me a sense of direction to start my day with.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why Quin?
Nutella’s Day 1 train had three voters on it. Two of them are now dead. If the baddies were spread out across each train, then Quin is the nutella train baddie.

It’s flimsy logic, but it’s what I have to start the day with. We’ll see where my vote ends up after those last ISO’s and a re-read.

I don't see the reasoning behind the premise of this but ok

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:54 pm Nice kill choice baddies. It gives me a sense of direction to start my day with.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

of course lmao

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

tell me why you aint full o shit

I don't think I've quite seen the specific thing I was referring to from Michelle, but I feel okay about her in general. Her questioning and reads look pretty typical.

Jack's first post about DF was the "friendly invitation to play." After that, Jack responded to something by saying like "why would I push for a DF mislynch like that if I were scum." My gripe was that he clearly hadn't been pushing on DF in a suspiciony way, and he stated as such, yet he had defensively implied it.

Yes, I do think Jack could still be bad given tony flipped town. It's not a very strong associative read in that direction though.

Probably would have joined the Tony train had I been awake, liked several points in the catch up. Ah well..

Oh I'm alive huh

I would be cool with a Tony lynch I guess but staying on the more likely self pres for now

I guess you said you're not sure either but you did say you had been directly suspicious of them, that's the part I object to

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:49 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.

Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.

Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.
How are these real reads
I’ve read or skimmed most of the thread and my responses have been such that I came out feeling this way about things. I’ve expressed nothing firm or concrete here. Why do you object?

LC is fine imo from the way he framed his jack vote. Gman, idk no real strong opinion I guess but light town lean

I just won my first ever game of Coup in a 7 player game it was very satisfying

Getting drunk now ama

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.

Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.

Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.

How are these real reads

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 pm ....I don't get it. Saying a post that was made to generate content was unnecessary can definitely be a scum argument. And I don't get your point about Michelle's comment either.
I think scum tends to take an explosive response because it can generate more discussion and town will tend to take a more genuine line. “This post isn’t solving” is a cop out argument in general, but here I think it functions as a sign that Sloonei doesn’t have an agenda. I also liked Sloonei’s phrasing but I tend not to delve into syntax cause 1) people think it’s stupid and 2) it makes future syntax arguments more WIFOMy.

...But pointing out that you made an empty post can and does generate discussion on you? As we are now demonstrating? Lol

....I don't get it. Saying a post that was made to generate content was unnecessary can definitely be a scum argument. And I don't get your point about Michelle's comment either.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.

His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.
Okay thanks for your opinion.

anyone want to dissent?
I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.

What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?
1) I wanted to try saying things that make people say things. You pass, Michelle doesn’t. You know why.

2) I tend to scumread Dom early. I’m always wrong. This game I didn’t. For the longest time Jack would always read me the opposite of what I was, and my initial thought when I read Dom and found nothing objectionable was that maybe I’m in the same place.

uh. what?

Sloonei's gripe is that you posted unnecessary thoughts. If you were doing that to get reactions or "make people say things" how on earth does his comment "pass" at all

Sabie I didn't preview the poll before voting and didn't keep close track of the in thread vote tags, idk why that pings you. And TMI has nothing to do with how early in the game it is, if Tony is scum he knows who is town that's what tmi means here.

Coffee tell lmao

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:17 am Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him

this is a juicy little post

I've never liked when people say things like "I can sort this person/start trying to solve the game by day X" -- if you're town it's like asking to be night killed, if you're scum it's lazy and a slightly manipulative way to wriggle out of a lynch

this doesn't really make sense as jack/tony w/w I don't think... maybe tony has tmi on jack? idk it doesn't sit right
If I am ever nightkilled Jack is scum. I am not good enough as town to be nightkilled otherwise (which is kinda purposeful but that's a topic for another day). My main town function is attacking scum Jack.

I don't see how you can see this as AI in any manner; I don't get why it doesn't make sense as me/jack w/w.

This sounds like some weird kind of wifom setup but I haven't quite figured it out

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:39 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:13 pm I also have identified a specific town tell from Michelle from the few games I have played with her, will see if it happens
mind to share it? I can't observe myself very well.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
doing the math in day 1? You are usually counting how many mislynches are needed for a scum win?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:17 am Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him
why was Jack out if character?
Yes why wouldn't I

Because he was kinda going after DFaraday and he wasn't just joking around early. I think that's NAI for reasons I explained.

You didn't say it was NAI though you said he wouldn't do it as scum?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm @nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?

I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:54 am Alright who’s a murderer

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:56 am Chop chop give yourself up it’s an inevitability you will be caught and hanged for your crimes

Also he opened with this cartoonishly aggro jokey thing, idk probably NAI but it seemed uncharacteristic

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:23 pm I haven't made any false statements though, no idea what you're referring to there. I have a truth meta y'know
Oh yeah me too.

Talk to me about Tony and why you suspect him so much.

His post about you was icky. Do you believe what he said about him being able to read you by d3? "Unless he dies first" lol

I haven't made any false statements though, no idea what you're referring to there. I have a truth meta y'know

Search found 148 matches