The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:22 pm Nutella, can you move one of your votes to Rej?

Y tho

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 pm For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.
What are the towny posts from each of them?

I have pointed them each out individually. But to answer your characteristic useless question

, Tony's was the recent stream of consciousness post with reads from the top of his head, Colin's was his "I like this" to your post about ddl early on, and Sig's was the unapologetic NKA. They might each have one or two other things that felt more town than scum to me in the long run but those are the standouts that make me wary of lynching them when they otherwise seem suspicious on balance.

For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.

Good stuff boo. Reason 4 is a big one for me too, and my new hindsight on the Dom thing is that maybe he wanted to drum up a counterwagon but secretly hoped Dom would still be the lynch so he'd look good on the flip for trying to prevent it? Maybe that's tinfoily, but I think it checks out. The way he fished through the three names (ddl, Drago, rej) for the potential counterwagon was odd/insincere. Also maybe the fact that he landed on Drago was staged and rej is actually his teammate?? idk imma stop rambling before I get too far down this rabbit hole of confbiased theorizing

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 pm "exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

Sorry about the vote tags.

I'm gonna have to disagree there. Those are fine statements. The waffleyness is good in my book.

That said I'm on the fence about jack and don't mind that folks are voting him. I just think LC's reasoning is unsound.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 pm I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...

These are pretty much my thoughts on the rej lynch as well. I'm not going to actively oppose it but I'm not convinced.

Who should I vote for jack

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:20 pm Guys wanna vote jack with me

What what do you think of his claim that he cannot be lynched
that's a running joke across several games.
Hidden JOH mechanic
I’m just gonna repost that video of Jay flipping the coin and it coming up my way so I didn’t get lynched in Inception.

But seriously, I’m keeping a running list of all the times wolves have tried and failed to lynch me.

Btw I watched it a few times and he totally could have manipulated it. He didn't film it in such a way that proved it was honest.

Hmmm Tony's stream of consciousness wall is a slight town tick

For example the one where he quotes sloonei's post about ddl and just says "I like this." Regardless of sloonei's alignment I think that kind of blatant empty sheeping of an idea is usually more town minded.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:16 pm as for your colin case, i read it and was not moved to vote there, sloonei. some of the things you took negatively i actually took positively.

I'm a bit on the fence too, some of his posts felt more likely to come from town than not, and some didn't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:52 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:45 pm Dunya, a.k.a Jay #3, also has that feeling of desperation oozing from her posts. It's just that she's forcing herself not to be active, and for once it seems she's actually pulling it off.
What's my Jay number??
None. You are not a Jay. If anything you should get a DDL Number or something, since you play more like I do.

Ya we are twinsies

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 pm Why I’m voting for colin
I don’t get the part where you said there should be Boo shade.

The issue was that he shaded me and praised boo for basically the same thing.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:45 pm Dunya, a.k.a Jay #3, also has that feeling of desperation oozing from her posts. It's just that she's forcing herself not to be active, and for once it seems she's actually pulling it off.

What's my Jay number??

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:41 pm I don't like how Jack seems to have disappeared recently.

Or rather not been very engaged or interested in the game overall, despite having a decent number of posts.

What do people feel about Jack?

Yeah I'm uneasy about him. Similarly dunya

No I think I was still first lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:30 pm Oh that. Well, ok. I'll have to look at when and why LC voted for sloonei
Right at the beginning of the day, because I "buddied him."

Before my vote even, or no?

Oh that. Well, ok. I'll have to look at when and why LC voted for sloonei

But like, kinda?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm However if you (sloonei) are town that nullifies part of my reason for townreading LC (but certainly not all of it, especially since if you are town I'd put some stock in your reads)
Let me get this straight:

Your townread on LC makes you more sure of Sloonei's scumness, but the townread on LC is also dependent on Sloonei buddying a town LC

Dunno where you got the first clause from

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.
Re: parenthetical: Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe there are scum latching onto my tunnel and are more than happy to off a vocal town sloonei.

I've entered the paranoid stage. Help
I've found recently that I'm good at reading Jay instinctively and I'm trying to see if I can do the same with Sloonei since they are more or less the same person.

The trick is that when Jay feels like he's supatowning, he's doing exactly that. You can feel the maniac drive for figuring everything out coming from his posts. Scum Jay can mimic the method, but he can't mimic that feeling.

I'm kind of getting that feeling from Sloonei too. He's a bit confused, but damn he's giving the vibe that he wants to figure this game out.

That's my fear as the game goes on and sloonei does more and more work. I felt strongly that he was scum early on when be wasn't doing much, and then for a while I thought he was trying to look like he was going stuff but in an actually pretty lazy way, but now I'm wondering if I can righteously continue thinking he's not putting in real solving effort.

I kinda feel like I'm being gaslit somehow but idk by whom. Probably myself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm However if you (sloonei) are town that nullifies part of my reason for townreading LC (but certainly not all of it, especially since if you are town I'd put some stock in your reads)
Go on

Just cause I thought you were buddying him.

But yeah he could fool me for sure

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 pm Boo and LC definitely stronger on that front though
I’m inclined to agree about boo, but I’m reconsidering LC at the moment. His most recent post looked like pure blind antagonism toward me.

Why do you townread Creature and nanook?

Ok, fair enough

Mostly vague meta/tone/gut fuzzy feelings

However if you (sloonei) are town that nullifies part of my reason for townreading LC (but certainly not all of it, especially since if you are town I'd put some stock in your reads)

Boo and LC definitely stronger on that front though

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.
Re: parenthetical: Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe there are scum latching onto my tunnel and are more than happy to off a vocal town sloonei.

I've entered the paranoid stage. Help
Mmm except everyone voting for sloonei are like all my top town reads so nahhh
Creature and nanook are top town reads?

I mean I could be wrong about them but they're up there yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.
Re: parenthetical: Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe there are scum latching onto my tunnel and are more than happy to off a vocal town sloonei.

I've entered the paranoid stage. Help

Mmm except everyone voting for sloonei are like all my top town reads so nahhh

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.

Re: parenthetical: Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe there are scum latching onto my tunnel and are more than happy to off a vocal town sloonei.

I've entered the paranoid stage. Help

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:55 pm Speed actually basically mindmelded with me re: Tony which is p funny
Let’s talk about Tony. What’s the strongest point against him. What’s the strongest point in his favor?

He responded to you in an overly analytical manner, like he was hyperaware of the implications of his response and went to the opposite extreme by discussing those implications overtly. On the other hand, that could be coming from a town mindset. I have mixed meta perspectives on Tony but the overexplaining feels more like a scum approach imo.

I guess sloonei and Tony are probably not w/w so this feels just a little silly.

Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.

Speed actually basically mindmelded with me re: Tony which is p funny

Interestingly enough my top two suspects are voting for Tony, whom I also suspect. I figure if Tony is bad then I'm probably wrong about at least one of the two.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:02 am it can't be that.
What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.
Me being right
Humor me and assume I am town. What do you do next?

Probably lynch some set of Tony/Colin/Speed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:02 am it can't be that.
What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

Me being right

for extra context from my pov, Jack's initial posts on creature were a response to ddl's issues saying "have you met creature?" and then explaining that creature has easily distinguishable town and scum games, and to me it certainly seemed to imply at the time that Jack was disagreeing with ddl's reasons for suspecting creature, based on meta, and was therefore probably townreading creature based on meta.
so to me, it was reasonable to assume that Jack had said something to that effect, which is why I found no issue with LC having the same assumption. but it's quite clear that that assumption is what creature took issue with in LC.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:56 am Sloonei if you read right after creature's LC vote it was because he thought LC had basically slipped in thinking Jack had called him town, which I thought was dumb because I also had thought Jack had called creature town and did not understand the idea that LC was "caught." I don't get why you think that was such a good vote.
that is not how i interpreted it.

linki:

see these posts immediately following the vote

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:20 pm Can we make this the most embarrassing a scum got caught?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:35 pm Can we please lynch Long Con?

see post 146

(146 is where Jack claims he never said he townread creature)

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:16 pm It's not necessarily a scumslip but hella scummy it is

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:38 am and a concern before i go: nutella has a long history of suspecting me in most games. But usually these reads are volatile, as is her style, coming and going multiple times in the same day phase. But in this game she's been unwavering. I do not know how I feel about that. In our most recent game together (Australian Murder Mystery) she was mafia and I was town, and she for once did not go after me at all, which was alarming. We've swung to the opposite extreme here. Is it overcompensation? Or is she just starting to pursue reads with more confidence?

It's a sign that I'm right.

Or maybe I'm the one who misinterpreted it, but from the surrounding posts I thought that's what he meant about LC being "caught."

Sloonei if you read right after creature's LC vote it was because he thought LC had basically slipped in thinking Jack had called him town, which I thought was dumb because I also had thought Jack had called creature town and did not understand the idea that LC was "caught." I don't get why you think that was such a good vote.

Technically you hosted Rej in Inception albeit briefly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:44 pm
I maintain that boo’s earlier post sucked foe the reasons I already stated. “Sucked” does not mean “not town”. It just means I disapprove of it.

oh ffs

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:35 pm Right here:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:10 pm
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:33 pm It actually kinda freaks me out that Boo has votes. Why?
Cause getting lynched is mostly all I'm good for as a civ. It's a long and proud tradition at this point
@Sloonei

Yeah?
That's stupid.
I thought this “yeah” was in response to me asking if boo was simply voting me because I voted for him first. That is what I called stupid.

The “yeah” was actually in response to me questioning the idea of boo being an easy mislynch candidate. I would not call that stupid.

What ensued was an argument about two different things.

Oh well ok then. I honestly have no idea how you got that interpretation from the pulling of that parti boo quote, but ok.

The thing about you saying that other boo post sucked is still independent of this afaict.

first sentence should say "is sus" not "is as" which makes no sense. come on "sus" is totally a word

Right and the way you are harping on all the wrong details is as tbh. Like I get that you misinterpreted some stuff but it was still pretty ridiculous. Besides, the posts I thought were most suspicious were the ones that started the whole thing, before your misunderstanding, so your error does not absolve you.

Lol well you called it after we had already decided it.

Also I have a brother and he isn't really anything like sloonei

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:56 pm Idk sig, when I'm scum I usually am thinking about NKA but on a second or third level of wifom/framing/reverse framing. See: my decision to kill Jack in Aussie game
I thought you just wanted me to stop pulling your tail.

Tbf it was actually a weird combo of a straight first-level "he caught me" kill and a wifom gambit

I crave more fuel for my heckling.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:55 pm I promised to do ISOs tonight. I'll get to that after dinner. I hope we're all excited.

On the edge of my seat.

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