The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:08 pm I suggest you cooperate with me

lmao

ive honestly been kinda restraining how annoyed i am or else i, a mod, might get modded but like. im probably not playing with leetic again sparkleshrug

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:52 pm And I'm asking you to actually think before you automatically dismiss or come up with counter arguments.

yeah i've tried to get leetic to think and it's been entirely fruitless. maybe theyre just mafia unwilling to lose my mischop

like, you read people by how they think and how their thought processes are and whether they have tmi, not your weirdly rigid level1 checklist

i think maybe leetic needs the official newcomb education tm

me and dizzy be like: self meta is good and correct actually, unfortunate that it wont get through leetic's head

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:44 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:42 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

you've literally never even tried to reevaluate on me despite multiple people giving reasons i'm town


also @ dizzy yeah that wilgy post sucks

Because those aren't strong enough reasons compared to iaafr/Marmot/LC/even anne

they would be if you read like any scum game of mine but whatever lol

Yeah, because Jay in this game and Jay in the game looked exactly the same. And a player can never learn from their mistakes and changed their meta. And wolves have never faked meta in order to get townread. All checks out.

no you really dont get it, some ppl are capable of doing that but i'm not, whenever i try to imitate my towngame as a wolf it goes quite badly lol but i kinda hate making this argument and keep telling myself i should stop doing it

spf is right though like, youre only scumreading me for my votes, it should really be clear by now that my thoughts have been real

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:42 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

you've literally never even tried to reevaluate on me despite multiple people giving reasons i'm town


also @ dizzy yeah that wilgy post sucks

Because those aren't strong enough reasons compared to iaafr/Marmot/LC/even anne

they would be if you read like any scum game of mine but whatever lol

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

you've literally never even tried to reevaluate on me despite multiple people giving reasons i'm town


also @ dizzy yeah that wilgy post sucks

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:32 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:08 pm I'm about to fully town read both Nutella and Esooa actually. Just warning everyone. And Marmot too. And Lime. And I would probably town read NAA if he was not already flipped. And my reads are probably going to be good and I'm not going to believe in them.

Yeah, no. There are very few people the wolves can actually be at this point, and spf/Wilgy is the only remotely plausible scumteam that doesn't contain you or those two

for one, im not a plausible wolf at all and the fact that youre still saying that i am is the wolfiest thing about your slot. secondly, im obviously not a wolf with wilgy because i gunned for him harder than anyone on d1 and actively tried to pull votes from him. i can only be a wolf with wilgy if you think that i decided to hardbus every single one of my partners with no regard for the endgame whatsoever

anyone that calls me a potential wolf is unironically likely trying to keep the POE open, but that could just be my town entitlement speaking

I'm 90% sure that the wolves are between nutella/Esooa/Dyslexicon and if there's a wolf outside of that it's you or Wilgy. Everyone else just has too many reasons to be townread at this point.

anne doesn't

i am once again asking you to read anne on her own merits rather than external factors

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:08 pm I'm about to fully town read both Nutella and Esooa actually. Just warning everyone. And Marmot too. And Lime. And I would probably town read NAA if he was not already flipped. And my reads are probably going to be good and I'm not going to believe in them.

Yeah, no. There are very few people the wolves can actually be at this point, and spf/Wilgy is the only remotely plausible scumteam that doesn't contain you or those two

for one, im not a plausible wolf at all and the fact that youre still saying that i am is the wolfiest thing about your slot. secondly, im obviously not a wolf with wilgy because i gunned for him harder than anyone on d1 and actively tried to pull votes from him. i can only be a wolf with wilgy if you think that i decided to hardbus every single one of my partners with no regard for the endgame whatsoever

anyone that calls me a potential wolf is unironically likely trying to keep the POE open, but that could just be my town entitlement speaking

hi please claim your role rather than saying pushing wolves clears you when you have a distinct meta of hardbussing

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:26 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:15 pm esooa is just a flailing wolf atp

i think it's just her and one of anne/wilgy

if she were to actually flip town it would increase my paranoia of marmot/leetic lol

literally no way this is the time you decide to post this lmao

I give my first reads of the day phase and you call that flailing

u get my vote

i mean dizzy and iaafr are saying something youre doing is akin to towntelling and i dont see it at all so

that's not "flailing" and you're making things up to justify me as today's lunch......

what isn't? youre throwing votes around at bad targets bc you dont know where to push

again if youre actually town my tinfoil of leetic skyrockets, even more so from your exchange on this page, but you havent done anything to change my mind on you this phase

you're trying to fake tinfoil by going "if you're town my tinfoil of leetic skyrockets" while never actually harboring any true tinfoil

same shit with how you just recently said "yeah I've been saying I'm worried about them but really the PoE is good and I like it and is where I'm going to stay"

it is real tinfoil, i brought it up earlier in association w marmot

but yes i do want to resolve the poe or at least you first

like either this game is just ez and we're dunking on mafia and we'll practically sweep

or the mafia had two weak links that they let go down and made sure the others are well-positioned to go deep and ppl are getting snowed by marmot/leetic

we flip you first

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:15 pm esooa is just a flailing wolf atp

i think it's just her and one of anne/wilgy

if she were to actually flip town it would increase my paranoia of marmot/leetic lol

literally no way this is the time you decide to post this lmao

I give my first reads of the day phase and you call that flailing

u get my vote

i mean dizzy and iaafr are saying something youre doing is akin to towntelling and i dont see it at all so

that's not "flailing" and you're making things up to justify me as today's lunch......

what isn't? youre throwing votes around at bad targets bc you dont know where to push

again if youre actually town my tinfoil of leetic skyrockets, even more so from your exchange on this page, but you havent done anything to change my mind on you this phase

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:15 pm esooa is just a flailing wolf atp

i think it's just her and one of anne/wilgy

if she were to actually flip town it would increase my paranoia of marmot/leetic lol

literally no way this is the time you decide to post this lmao

I give my first reads of the day phase and you call that flailing

u get my vote

i mean dizzy and iaafr are saying something youre doing is akin to towntelling and i dont see it at all so

i think at this point i do want claims from spf and lime


anne and dizzy have the two claims most likely to be cover for having blocked me, since nobody has claimed the block i'm assuming it was mafia. i'm fairly solid on lime town but spf is still on the fringe of my poe

esooa is just a flailing wolf atp

i think it's just her and one of anne/wilgy

if she were to actually flip town it would increase my paranoia of marmot/leetic lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:46 am Hmm.. read Leetic's wall post. I like it. I skimmed lightly though JJJ's iso before making the MR shot decision. On that ISO alone I was torn between Nutella, Ifaar as a 50/50 or just shoot MR who he seemed to be waffley on. I just the latter, but can be down with a Nutella flip.

Not to be all last week, but did you not ISO Radish?

You still haven't claimed

Do it now

I didn't know we were apparently doing a mass claim. Your whole attitude makes me want to not do it lol.

I'm a message writer. I haven't used my role at all because it's essentially useless. Except if I were mafia it would also work as a roleblock.

oh hey another conditional on alignment thing like marmot claimed, i asked ages ago if anyone else had something like that but i guess you havent read smh

hope you didnt roleblock me n1!

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:38 pm Also nutella is still trying to disintegrate the town core

i knew you would say this lol

i'm not trying to get anyone to vote marmot today or anything i'm just putting the thought out there for late game

how many times do i have to say i still want to focus on poe first

tsp giving me fucking vanilla cop when theres also a full actual role cop in the game is just bm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:21 pm I'm back for a second I read through again and I can't read this game without feeling like absolute shit.

@ilario FYI NAA got green checked by Rabbit so if he's town then NAA is probably just town.

@nutella I don't get how you don't just nail scum!Mac the entire time when you've probably played way more games with him and probably have a better read on him than me.
Like I don't get how you say he's towny Day 2 when he literally flip flopped his read on you right in front of your face as you changed your read and I brought it up.

i don't have a perfect godread on him or something

also i didn't say he's towny i said something he was doing was in his townrange

i mostly called him scummy just was unsure

if i was w/w with him i'd probably have pushed harder on it

wolves do gambits like that all the time and marmot had been sufficiently distanced from mac etc etc also dizzy and i both wolfread him for a while etc etc ok im leaving

im confbiasing myself more and more into this lol i should stop but let me just get this thought out: clearing marmot for breaking the tie onto mac is officially more naive and stupid than clearing anne for being the cw

i still thought marmot's claim was sketchy too, and it's really not out of the realm of possibility that he used his tiebreak to bus and get "cleared"


call me out for expanding the poe or whatever just covering my bases for postgame cred

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:29 am Oh I'm not the only one sensing JJJ being off, good to know. The dude forgot how to wolf.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:01 am Is it weird that I TR leetic and SR ilario :/

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:28 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:25 am wait you guys call it btsc here right

sorry for the cultural imperialism

Oh yeah, we have a pinned message in our btsc to call jjj weird and bus him

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:31 am I thought Mac was tying to overtake Epignosis as the all-time leader in Syndicate Wins lol.

Let's see, maybe he'll make it happen this game.

anyway im rereading this section of the thread and having sudden paranoia of a hellbussing ultradeepwolf marmot situation

like it's possible to read a lot of this stuff as tmi and like the super crazy tinfoil read is like one or both of illeetic is maf too lmao wouldnt that be wild

just gonna post this and move on and continue with regularly scheduled poe solving but if the game gets to like f5 remember this

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:37 pm dizzy and nutella are OBVTOWN

no I will NOT substantiate

see u in postgame

tru


@ marmot, i never hard defended mac lol what. yeah i hedged on him a bit but mostly thought he was more wolfy than not, just got a bit hung up on how he framed the mech stuff. i was one of the first to wolfread him d1, and while he had some more substantial content d2 and the mech made me unsure, i still had some glimmers of "he's probably just wolfing" that was strongest when i placed that vote. but yes i didn't vibe with spf's reasoning for pushing him, later i dropped the spf suspicion because i was feeling better about her and i said as much. i remember when i made the comment about the spf/mac interaction i actually thought that w/w was the least likely pairing and that it was somewhat more unaligned. spf's hard push on mac at eod is in her bussing range i think, but holistically i have her as >rand unaligned with mac

anyway mac tmi'd me town multiple times and treaded lightly around me. i think esooa's treatment of me d2 was pretty similar, and i'm at like 99% confidence she just flips wolf here, i really struggle to imagine what the solve would be if she doesn't

this obviously hasn't been among my strongest town performances but i will fight to not be the only mischop in this game

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 pm Like giving credit for votes that can easily be buses will not get you anywhere in many games. Idk what the vote count was when he voted/how viable naa was but he needed to do what he thought would pay off.

Why would scum bus in that situation though when they didn't need to? You haven't even considered that, and your insistence on a wagon that was wolfy both times is alarming.

Jay may have felt he needed to, is my point. He may have grasped onto whatever he thought would regain him some good graces in the thread if he survived, and would distance him from anne. You should never assume what was going on in a wolf's mind bc we don't know every factor or motive. Anne's just wolfy so I will continue to not naively clear her thank you for your time.

Jay could have viably gone after Axehole and no one would blame him, and his posts seemed comfortable with the thread state. If he was trying a bus he would have been a lot more forceful on anne but his posts were only lamely saying that he didn't really care who in anne/MR/Wilgy/Axehole died, only anne was slightly preferred, like if they were all town and he didn't care which was misvoted. He could not have predicted how rapidly the thread turned against him so there's no need to use anne for towncred. You're not taking into account information after the flips and just trying to do the same thing as last phase, which is scummy.

Maybe at the time jay voted anne saw her wagon building up and was demotivated and just told her teammates to bus her. We don't know. We can't know. There is hidden information, that's part of the game. The information available to us does not sell me on anne being town, we just disagree on that

It's clear that everything about the way you and I play mafia is completely opposing and it's impossible to communicate anything. Just know that I have a pretty high accuracy rate on the type of read ive had on anne this game netting scum. Could be wrong too but everyone else is literally just townier except maybe esooa and wilgy. Let's just go with the one bit of common ground we have today and flip esooa.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 pm Like giving credit for votes that can easily be buses will not get you anywhere in many games. Idk what the vote count was when he voted/how viable naa was but he needed to do what he thought would pay off.

Why would scum bus in that situation though when they didn't need to? You haven't even considered that, and your insistence on a wagon that was wolfy both times is alarming.

Jay may have felt he needed to, is my point. He may have grasped onto whatever he thought would regain him some good graces in the thread if he survived, and would distance him from anne. You should never assume what was going on in a wolf's mind bc we don't know every factor or motive. Anne's just wolfy so I will continue to not naively clear her thank you for your time.

Vca/wagonomics just so often leads people down the wrong path, it can be a tool in your toolkit but it absolutely should not outweigh everything in someone's iso pinging as off. Just vote wolfy people. Works for me.

Like giving credit for votes that can easily be buses will not get you anywhere in many games. Idk what the vote count was when he voted/how viable naa was but he needed to do what he thought would pay off.

I said it right there fucking read dude. Read her iso. It's all garbage and not towny, idc about your "x wouldnt do this" that can all be reading into it from the wrong direction. Her posts don't come from town

Yeah just is obv tmi that we're both town.

Anyway. I don't have the balls to vote anne a third time but iaafr is right her iso just entirely sucks and you guys really should not be clearing her for being the cw. It's absolutely possible that we were just dunking so hard on the mafia that we had w/w wagons twice (especially note that jay/mac/anne/sloon were all absent eod1 so yes it can be mostly town that voted her). Also show dead alexa some respect on her read. I think we flip esooa today but people treating anne as clear are just way off base imo

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:23 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:21 am it does feel quite a lot like esooa is boxed in - even if she did want to throw in the towel today and give up, i would still expect her to have a scumread or a thought about who the wolves might be or literally ~anything~ other than bitter resignation

in support of this narrative, her designated push was naa, and she could've been counting on just tdoming him with a one step at a time mindset, but I just popped him

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:24 am yeah, the wolves were probably banking on a NAA mischop regardless of who they are

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:28 am also she hates role madness and that was probably a triggering role madness moment lmao

lol i love these takes, naa being taken off the table def seems like it demotivated esooa coming in

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:43 am the way wilgy is super stuck on the jay/nutella/iaafr thing is probably villagery

anne/esooa still makes sense on almost every level other than jay parking on anne

(reiterating once again that if anne was a w wagon its not like the team of afkanne/afkmac/afkjay/actuallyafkslooneid1 couldve really done anything to prevent the wagon from existing without sticking their neck out and risking more associations)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:45 am if anne was the designated scum mischop yesterday, then why did mac aggressively try to rally votes away from anne and toward NAA?

if anne was the designed scum mischop but mac did not push on anne, then who are the wolves that pushed on anne?

im not even calling anne a wolf - just trying to work out if the logic of: "anne was a counterwagon to the wolves, so she's clear" holds up to some logical scrutiny

also good takes, maybe it is just esooa/anne and the poe was always good


and yeah mac calling me lamist town is just tmiing and trying to pocket me, if we were w/w he would do some distancing but when he's w and i'm v he just wants to not step on my toes and just tosses me a tr. i think esooa was similarly pocketing me and had a lot of weird moments early d2 regarding me


it would be really cool if we just chop through esooa/anne/potentially wilgy or dizzy and essentially sweep the game, but it doesn't seem like anything can convince leetic/lime/wilgy/now possibly even marmot to not flip me before the others. i can't remember the last time i was mischopped though so i have faith, just read the spew and pay attention to the people who have the slightest idea how to read me lol. look at literally any game where i was scum and see how absolute garbage at it i am, there'd be tmi everywhere while here all the stuff you're pushing me for is based on simply having wrong reads

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

esooa/wilgy pretty much

i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today

Do you see any interactions between the two that could come from partners?

esooa/wilgy? not specifically off the top of my head idt but we just need to find one today so interactions with flipped wolves are more helpful, and i do think esooa's progression on mac was sketchy

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:33 pm i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game

this echoes how im feeling about dizzy

i mean he made a lot of good reads that echo my own but

it slightly bothered me how a lot of his takes were nearly identical to ones that id posted in the thread but he never quoted my identical takes (i might gather up examples later)

and mmmmmmmmmm idk maybe i bought the self meta harder than i shouldve

yeah basically

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


alright i should stop posting for a while lol

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

esooa/wilgy pretty much

i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today

i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:26 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:24 pm Clear: iaafr
Lock town: Marmot, LC, anne
Town: spf, Wilgy
Others: nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

We can do this.

remove anne from locktown imo - i agree that her being the counterwagon to a wolf 2 days in a row looks good for her overall but i dont think she's at the same level of marmot/LC

tbh i dont wanna be annoying about this but just reiterating that w/w wagons are in fact more common than people tend to assume and there were other counters both days so it's not impossible. and cassandra wolfread her. but it does make me less focused on her for now

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:24 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

....how do you know you were the only vanilla what?

the rest of this makes sense i guess

i dont know for certain but the entire definitional premise of role madness is no true vanillas, and my role wasnt true true vanilla, it was just vanilla until backup

though i guess i remember there was a goon in the maf team in the last one too?

it's """light""" role madness, i assumed from the existence of my role that theres a handful of vanilla ppl including probably a goon ye

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:24 pm did drwilgy ever claim how many shots he had? why didnt he shoot tonight?

he claimed 1shot

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

....how do you know you were the only vanilla what?

the rest of this makes sense i guess

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:20 pm there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

i definitely have a nonzero amount of tinfoil on leetic/illario atp

i'd believe that my check goes through before his thing takes over, but also does "backup" usually count as "vanilla" i guess i could see that working but also he could be a vanilla mafia goon and mafia has the backup thingy somehow idk

lol fuck it im so confused imma just claim

i'm the vanilla cop, i check ppl and get whether theyre vanilla or not

n1 i targeted naa and my action failed
n2 i targeted iaafr and i got the result that he is vanilla

so if he was supposed to become nonvanilla on n2 something is amiss

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:15 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:13 pm ok i just flipped NAA town with the loyal dayvig (backed up nanook)

so apparently im likely 2/3 or 1/3

this isn't clearing

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:15 pm for Reasons i don't feel like explaining

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:14 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:12 pm btw im no longer vanilla

i thought of killing leetic just because he annoys me tbh but i think i have a better use of my current role

did you become no longer vanilla just this sod?

n2 universal backup

ye this is actually making me more paranoid of iaafr also for Reasons i might explain at some point

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:13 pm that's the second day in a row where ive ended with my vote on a wolf, so anyone that still thinks im mafia just let me continue burying the rest of my team pls

ill figure this game out later

thats exactly what you do when youre mafia tho

oh what lmao

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:12 pm btw im no longer vanilla

i thought of killing leetic just because he annoys me tbh but i think i have a better use of my current role

did you become no longer vanilla just this sod?