The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:48 pm One thing I probably just missed when looking at the roles, why were there only three people on the last poll?

Eloh picked four including Jay but he died in the night

and hahahaha LC I didn't make that connection at all, I thought maybe you were a Fire Emblem character with the weapons curse

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:59 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:23 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:40 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:37 pm Wow this is over? Dang Epi it was fun! Mafia was indeed very unlucky but great job LC, you do make the best indie. S~V~S did you get the hint I directed at you that I knew you (and thus nutella) were civ?
No, what was it?
It was pretty obscure I guess. I knew what the radio did (allowed you to pick the music for the posts and gave you btsc with someone) and I knew you had it so at one point I complimented Epi on his musical selections. I thought you might see that and know it was a shoutout to you. I figured you had both found a way to substantiate that the other was civ so I believed you to be almost the whole game.
Ooo, clever!

I can't speak for Nutella. but it was fortuitous for the civs I think that she and I got BTS. I always suspect her, and tbh, there were points this game where I was worried she was bad, and I would not be surprised if she felt the same. Long stretches of time where our chat went quiet, lol. That remark I made that Sprit got a snip of, that was kind of me looking at her like, "OK, are you bad?" and at one point she made an observation and said to me, "I hope you can see that" and I think that was sort of the same. I trusted her, but I had moments of paranoia.

I think we trusted but also tiptoed around each other a bit. I enjoyed having BTS with her becasue it helped me understand some of the changes in the TS culture while I took my break. Plus having someone with such an excellent musical ear made excelling as DJ easier since I was trying to impress HER.

Nope I never distrusted you one bit lol. I understand why you might be wary of me since I only had the btsc and no other ability to claim, but you really only ever made sense as town. And yeah we totally disagreed about DH and Luna for a while but it worked out in the end

Also your picks were excellent!

and juliets, I didn't see that as a hint at all lmao I thought you actually assumed epi was picking them hahahaha

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:25 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:22 pm DH's lynch was totally justified by a vague, gut feeling I had that I couldn't articulate and immediately backed off from.
That one still eludes me. I was surprised when it swung his way. There was no information or anything working against him...it just happened.

Psshhh I'm just a genius is all

Sweet gg!

but we wouldn't waste a lynch, as long as kyle is alive for another night we'd just have him do it. all it would do is extend the game and maybe if kyle is 3p it would delay us lynching him but whatever

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:02 pm Jay's comment about DH's frustration with Enrique as a no-show scum buddy might have been him projecting his own irritations

I don't think this is particularly compelling. Just as likely, if not more so, that he pointed to an easy mislynch target.

He was online recently to react to the endgame of Asunder but I don't know that he checked in on this game at all. Maybe he just forgot lol

lol throwback. I never got used to the "new" look of the forum even though it changed in like, what, 2010? also wow I haven't thought about BCEW in a long time I wonder what she's up to

Yeah imo that ability in mafia hands would be a huge balance error. Absolutely a civ.

so are you going to kill enri? or no

I think if there is a mafia left it is sig or enri, but I am kind of doubting it more and more. I think other than Kyle I am interested in LC, Bob and Colin as possible 3ps but that's just my hunch list.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:43 pm Lynching speed after all this effort feels crass.

Yeah I really would prefer not to lynch any of the three but I don't think we have a way to make that happen unless someone has a lynch stop.

Ahhh ok I was mixing up the vote force with Jay's ability nvm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:30 pm
Whoever had their vote forced on D3 is not the SK because the kill would have been redirected as well.

Huh? Not necessarily, I don't think.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:33 pm sure, that's true. but we're talking about the cost difference between spending a kill to figure out who's alignment and not spending anything and figuring it out for free.

the game would essentially end (practically speaking) in the same phase whether or not eko is alive or dead. if there's no kill tonight then the smart move by default would be night killing eko the next night but other than that it seems valuable to hang on to it or use it to reduce PoE? Unless the most important thing is taking me out of the PoE asap then killing eko is fine, I guess.

I dunno man, whatever works. I'm not convinced you're not a 3p but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:21 pm Even if he can’t vote, though, a civ Enri buys us time closer to endgame, if it comes down to that.

I dunno. I can go either way on that.

That's technically true I guess.

But if he's civ it doesn't matter since he's not voting, and if there's no mafia kill we still can't be certain if they're gone or if he's the last one (though surely he would have been replaced or something by now if so bc that would be very silly) or the kill might fail for some other reason. So you might as well just off him, unless he comes back to contribute.

If we didn't happen to have dead-weight Enrique, I would strongly oppose using the vig. We don't even know if there's a mafia left, and he'd be lucky to guess a 3p, so we'd probably just end up eliminating a civ for no good reason. But might as well kill Enri since he is not contributing to the civ numbers anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 am I think Kyle's role will be much more valuable later on. Speedchuck's really doesn't seem like it's going to have a chance to... blossom. The game won't last that long, not at the rate we're townfirming folk.

Eh I wouldn't be too hasty with that assertion. Several of the "firms" are not townfirms per se, just not-mafia firms, and I'm expecting the end game will be sniffing out one or more 3Ps. It probably still won't take a ton of time, but the POE may not be as simple for such purposes.

hmm idk, if we get into a messy endgame with 3Ps a vig shot might be a nice thing to have, but maybe that's about as likely as the game going long enough for speed to be useful so...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:10 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:39 pm I feel like if Chuck was bad he'd have a lot more fire in him than to look at the poll and say "Well, AMA" but maybe not.

What game is The Conductor from? Is that the flavor text guy from Retro?
He was a 3p in a burglary I ran

But he's town here? Does that make sense?

Hmmmmmmm

Will see if Kyle claims

Don't mind me idk what the hell I'm talking about. Looks like a town lynch then unfortunately but like speed says he is vanilla anyway since we're doing so well.

....wait no that totally could have been Jay or even Luna too huh. Just got to speed's claim and I'm second guessing. Damn lmao

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:20 pm JaggedJimmyJay, speedchuck, nijuukyugou, Lunalee, juliets

Eloh voters on D4.

Based on this that is. Could be juliets but seems unlikely and even less likely niju.

Well I'm pretty confident in my vote for speed now lol.

Okay, I find myself agreeing with others' townread of Kyle, and I am actually reading sprit as genuine and believe his claim of getting vague information and using his own instincts/thought process to draw conclusions. It doesn't sound made up to me. And speed has given me some bad feelings with his tone today so [VOTE: speed] aubergine. I'm wary they may just all be town though. And if so maybe the mafia are gone and we just have one or more 3ps left to find, and I'd have no idea how to proceed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:36 am AMA

Literally. I promise an answer.

What should I have for dinner tomorrow?

Holy FUCK you guys we are CLEANING UP

.....wtf only 3 names on the poll but they are 3 pretty decent choices/all in the POE lol ok I'll take it. unless they're actually all town and scum did this lol

but hmm Epi won't tell us if a team is eliminated so maybe it's just an sk/3p left? 4 mafia down, I still think it's likely there's a 5th but not sure.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:07 pm Have we discussed why Speed isn’t a bigger suspect for his late-day-DH-lynch stuff toward Long Con when Long Con had extra votes on him?
I don't think I pursued anything once I found out about the wound and such. Unsure what the timeline was with the forced votes, but I can't imagine I had noticed that either. Doesn't seem like something I would do.

You guys can handle that research though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:06 pm I'll answer any questions you have.

.....I've been townreading you but these two posts sketch me the hell out

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:13 pm Take sig out of your town locks people

Never was a lock for me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:36 pm Eh I'm cool having Jay around as a more relaxed player, honestly. If he never returns to kofm status, I still enjoy playing games with him. He's harder to read, but he's doing content and not lurking.

yeah! Let Jay play more relaxed mafia 2k19 ( if he feels like it at all, a break is great too if ya need it <3)

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:54 pm @sprityo can you explain why you voted for Colin? Someone asked already I think but I don't see an answer in your ISO>
His voting choices coincided with information I have

Huh?? So you have reason to think Colin is bad?

Oh spicy

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:25 pm I'd like to formally request a nightkill.

wh-

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:07 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:37 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:35 pm I mean lynching me double confirms long con and nijuu as not mafia

so I’m not entirely against it.
In the same way you confirmed Luna to be not-mafia orrrrr
Nono, Luna was actually me misreading

Long con and nijuu were specifically mafia targets
So long as we're being clear-ish...

Talking about visits, right? Because these two ain't dead.

He means the vote force.

LC that is interesting idk

Or fake a vote force ofc.

How entirely off the table is it for mafia to force one of their own to vote a civ to throw us off the trail?

Mmmm Nova is totally lock town but you may have a point that I should take another look at cbob. I don't remember how good he looked in the DH lynch.

Actually on the other hand juliets kind of brought luna back into focus, some of us felt more like she was town after the DH lynch and juliets brought up a claim of new info. I don't think she fakes learning about the wand at that time. So never mind I think she's town. I guess she voted for eloh bc she trusted my/others' instincts over her own and that seems genuine.

Your take on Kyle is fair as well. Maybe we should pivot focus to Jay (or juliets as we are now)

Also she had that weird deal with the wand nearly mechanically solidifying Luna as bad for her but then she backed off when I showed any doubt about it and didn't end up voting for Luna. Could have been like "hmm looks like she's pretty screwed so I better look convinced, wait never mind the townies don't actually want to lynch her cool let's go with that"

I feel like juliets looks really townie but speed you make some good points and she has fooled me before/had a lot of content in asunder for example.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:23 pmJAY.
what is this supposed to mean?

I believe it's an inside joke. Far from game content. Kyle do you have reads or anything?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:57 pm @nutella Please tell me your thoughts on Kyle and Jay, and/or anyone in your top 3 of baddiness.

Just talked a bit about Kyle obviously, he stayed aloof during both scum lynches in a suspicious way. Jay has also been aloof with wagony votes.

I agree with svs's point about Kyle's "forgetting" to vote. I mean, I could see it either way, I definitely have posted vote tags and forgotten to actually vote until later a few times, but since I already suspect him for behavior in the DH lynch it is sketchy to me.

Then again idk how I feel about Jay townreading him and suspecting sprityo.... hmmm. Do we think we have two mafia left or just one? Team of 5 sounds right to me but we can't be sure. If there are two more I'm trying to figure out if Jay and Kyle or Jay and Sprit would be compatible. That may not be the right way to think about it though. My inclination atm is to go for Kyle first tomorrow and go from there.

Wait we have absolutely no reason to clear eloh lol. Looking at her post history with Luna they are compatible and there was this shit which looked particularly teammatey to me:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:01 am
Eloh: she may have been attempting to get civ credit by doubting the then-runaway Luna wagon. Her insistence that someone explain the DH lynch may be consistent with her beliefs but it may be that she was reluctant to sacrifice a powerful teammate. As to why you wouldn’t vote Luna, then, I dunno ...

I never thought Luna was bad. Why would I vote her at that time?

Then.........

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:25 pm Votes DH after this post from me, but then later says it was weird I didn't vote for him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:02 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:41 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:32 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:42 am

Why are we isolating that one post and not, say, his harranguing of Quin?
Quin is dead and flipped mafia. However, I don't think they'd have killed him if he was right about just one person. So he probably had more mafia members on that list.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm it's a N1 kill. And it's Mac. And he was after Quin. I don't think they need a stronger reason.

But if mac was onto someone else, who would it be?
I think he was right about DH as well, I'm unsure about Juliet being mafia, but I'm leaning no atm.

I don't want to lynch blooper today, i've been gut reading her as good. I much prefer the Luna/DH near tie we've got going on.
LOL. okay, I'll tie it for you.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Then she switches off of DH onto Jay, at this point going with my World 1 the mafia team decided to try to save both DH and Luna by redirected onto Jay who in theory should've been an easy target.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:45 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:41 pm I don’t love head-ass meat slabs/hot potatoes/fire drills but I also don’t love the two wagons
yeah, me neither, since I'm one of them. :P Also DH hasn't been around much today, and I feel bad lynching someone who's not around to defend themselves.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:47 pm the lynch today is quite boring, and I want to switch to Jay in case it takes off.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Then she winds up switching back to DH after the Jay wagon doesn't catch so she can get some civ credit for being the counterwagon to mafia and voting for him.
This is pretty damning. I think I may have been tricked by Luna all game so far.

Then her explanation of how she used the wand..

**voting Luna**

oh I forgot about him again. he could be bad yeah

sprit because luna's flip discredits him

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:36 am what's the general consensus PoE right now? there can't be too many mafia left

my top three at the moment would be jay, sprit, you

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:38 pm Nutella could have been one of us but alas...

I broke the tie at the last minute.

Haha yeah also that.

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