The Syndicate

Ugh, so sorry everyone and especially eloh. I really didn't expect to die for real so I should have made it more clear that I wasn't sure either way. The one reason I leaned that way was that I was controlled the night I tried to cop eloh and didn't get a result, but obviously that wasn't related to her role and I guess Daisy controlling me helped her win since it biased me. I would have checked Daisy when I died.

So like you guys really shouldn't have taken my last post as gospel and it's not totally my fault but I feel really bad still. Congrats Daisy.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:28 pm
And I swear I know that actress. I wish I could place her without looking it up.

Looks like Dawn from Buffy

....And I looked it up and I was right.

Mata and I are both town, I guarantee it. It's either eloh or daisy. If I die lynch eloh because as of now I have more reason to believe it is her and that is all I'll say on the matter.

Blech

Gonna go with [VOTE: rey] aubergine since Daisy is at least doing stuff this phase and he isn't

Mac has been pretty much out of my poe for a while, but I could reconsider him. Would be pretty bold of him to claim bodyguard as early as he did if he's bad.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:58 pm This makes no sense. The vote was tied 2-2-2 with me on rey and Owner on me. Why wouldn’t one of us move our vote if we were on a team together? This is why Jay freaking town cleared me, Owner was out for my blood and she could have moved her vote, or I could have moved mine. I don’t get me being the top of anyone’s list.

Come on folks

Oh I kinda forgot about that lol. Jay has towncleared people erroneously in the past though... but you're right I am forgetting the points in your favor. It could still be rey I guess.

rip luna

last maf is either eloh or daisy but which?? I am leaning daisy because of eloh's effort

lol ok cool

hmmmmm and why should I believe you

eloh tell me why you're not owner's/indiglo's teammate

[VOTE: indiglo] aubergine

eloh to the band we were discussing in the earlier ot chat in the thread

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:35 pm indiglo is my top suspect.

Ditto

[mention]Matahari[/mention] why does Indi look better?

What's the exception though?

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:54 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:44 pm I’ve changed my suspect list, the lazy way by reading the thread. (Thank you JJJ for your hard work lol).
But I have a question for JJJ. How long you planning to switch your vote to Owner at the last minute?
Nutella, you said that you didn’t have a good enough reason (reworded for time) to switch your vote away from Daisy, but you had named other suspects. Why didn’t you vote one of the other suspects?

Linki
Combination of them not being viable candidates at the time, not feeling like my reasons were particularly any stronger than my Daisy reasons, and not being around to change at the very end of I'd wanted to.
Thank you. Does Owner being evil change your opinion on Daisy? I think Daisy’s vote and some of the posts I’ve read make her seem more town, with one exception.

Yes, I agree.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:44 pm I’ve changed my suspect list, the lazy way by reading the thread. (Thank you JJJ for your hard work lol).
But I have a question for JJJ. How long you planning to switch your vote to Owner at the last minute?
Nutella, you said that you didn’t have a good enough reason (reworded for time) to switch your vote away from Daisy, but you had named other suspects. Why didn’t you vote one of the other suspects?

Linki

Combination of them not being viable candidates at the time, not feeling like my reasons were particularly any stronger than my Daisy reasons, and not being around to change at the very end of I'd wanted to.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:42 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:34 pm what an ass lol
This isn't at all the sort of environment I want in my game. This toxic attitude is gross and I'm really disappointed.

Shouldn't have let the men play

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:26 pm oh please no dont kill JJJ. Lynch me instead. Clearly i deserve it.

What? These aren't mutually exclusive. You kill Jay, then we lynch you.

[mention]dunya[/mention] I got my ticket!! August 30 babeyy

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:38 am JJJ, i guess Owner flipping bad makes it less likely that im actually bad in your logic? I assume this not because i am a genius but because you seemingly gave up on chewing your rey bone as soon as the lynch was posted.

Everyone, talk to me about triple J. NOW!

I have grudgingly accepted that he's town. I'd love to lynch him and have the thread go on our merry way without his bs, but unfortunately that would be a bad idea because he's town.

And the part about the vote not being set in stone. Yeah.

Rey is a wild card. Eloh looks town to me but I have a hard time getting her right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:29 pmThis is unhelpful. Parroting Jay and just adding your voice saying "Sorry but you look so bad neenerneener" with no elaboration is not productive. Sure my interactions don't look great. But they're natural. They would look a lot better if I was owner's teammate and you know it.
I don't know that. You're a great Mafia player and received my vote for best civilian, but I'm not going to cut you any slack because you have a sloppy record. I think you look fine in terms of tone, but when the data disagrees I will acknowledge it.

Indeed, I think your Day 2 was problematic beyond just Owner. I don't understand your handling of Spacedaisy. You showed no interest at all in budging from your intention to lynch her regardless of anything she said to you. You're nutella. Budging is your calling card. I found Daisy suspicious as well, but not with the degree of confidence or assertiveness you displayed in your rigidity.

Dunno what posts you were reading man. I expressed hesitance every step of the way. I just didn't have a better place to put my vote (so I thought).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:22 pmNaw this is dumb.
No it isn't.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:22 pmI didn't like Owner's D1 vote because her reasoning on Luna was weak and I thought, yes, like you said, she could have been saving Mongoose. Of course Mongoose's flip discounted that part of my suspicion of Owner, and then her posts overnight felt way more genuine to me so I raised her position on my list. I was wrong in the end but that's just how my thoughts on her developed, I guess she put on a convincing enough show for me but not enough for the people who voted for her and luckily you guys were right.
The highlighted bit is why it's a problem for me. Tacking her to Mongoose exonerates her of that connection when Mongoose is lynched. You had an out built into the read.

No. It was the reason for the read, not an out.

Owner's daisy vote looks much worse in retrospect knowing she's bad, but at the time I agreed with her about daisy so I didn't have the amazing insight you seemed to have about it. From my point of view it was not as opportunistic as her Luna vote.

Linki-

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:26 pm Sorry nutella, you do look pretty bad from your votes and interactions.

This is unhelpful. Parroting Jay and just adding your voice saying "Sorry but you look so bad neenerneener" with no elaboration is not productive. Sure my interactions don't look great. But they're natural. They would look a lot better if I was owner's teammate and you know it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:05 pm
nutella looks worse and has much to answer for.

Naw this is dumb. I didn't like Owner's D1 vote because her reasoning on Luna was weak and I thought, yes, like you said, she could have been saving Mongoose. Of course Mongoose's flip discounted that part of my suspicion of Owner, and then her posts overnight felt way more genuine to me so I raised her position on my list. I was wrong in the end but that's just how my thoughts on her developed, I guess she put on a convincing enough show for me but not enough for the people who voted for her and luckily you guys were right.

That was almost a palindrome lol. Indi Mac bad mata a canal Panama canal a mata bad mac indie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:41 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:24 pm Heck yeah! Sometimes gut feelings are real.

What gut feelings do you have emerging from this flip?

Indi bad mata bad mac indie

OHHH nice!!!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:48 pm Mac has the excuse of being in a separate end game. nutella, I don't care for you doing it big on Day 1, having it end in a mislynch with or without your help, and then doing fuck all Day 2 beyond camp on Daisy for reasons you won't share (I've asked twice).

I literally fucking warned you I would be absent today due to work so you can just fuck right off.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:40 pm And I thought I was confused about yesterday's lynch. SMH.

Ima vote Mac again. I still think he is bad. If he were good, he would be flinging shit. I'm about to fall asleep reading.

I liked his day zero/one tone but I agree that I expect more from him at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:26 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:00 pm Really feel like Daisy's latest content is from a townie heart, and I don't know why nutella and owner still want her lynched.
As I said I'm not set on it. I'm trying not to be "deep in confirmation bias" as she says and I can see it your way too. I could still vote for mata, or someone else if there is a convincing reason.
Tell me about two things:

1.) What about Daisy's recent stuff do you think differs from her civilian self?
2.) What do you think of Owner's vote for Daisy?

1. She is overexplaining/overjustifying her behavior.
2. It's fine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:46 pm @nutella you get a D- for Day 2. You've done barely more than nothing.

I have just spent six hours transcribing a recording of a meeting. Give me a hot sec.

Eloh going OFF lmao women doing all the work

What's up with Indi? Is it just the juliets thing or am I missing your reasoning [mention]Matahari[/mention]

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:00 pm Really feel like Daisy's latest content is from a townie heart, and I don't know why nutella and owner still want her lynched.

As I said I'm not set on it. I'm trying not to be "deep in confirmation bias" as she says and I can see it your way too. I could still vote for mata, or someone else if there is a convincing reason.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:20 pm hmmm I'm not satisfied with daisy's last post. her logic for why a baddie wouldn't vote as she did seems a little too thought through, if she was just a clueless townie throwing a vote somewhere she could just say that she was a clueless townie throwing a vote somewhere and not have this elaborate rationale cooked up.

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine
This is fucking ridiculous.

I get votes because everyone says I’m not explaining my vote.

I lay out exactly why I voted the way I did (which I thought I had already explained), and I get votes for having an elaborate rationale. My entire “rationale” was I don’t know what is happening so I’m picking the one I think is most suspicious here. Woo, that’s elaborate indeed.

Fuck this, you’ve just decided to vote me no matter what so let’s just dispense with the charade. It literally makes no sense that I’m bad based on that vote, but whatever. Don’t let that inconvenience your lynch train.

You won’t get the result you’re looking for, but it’s cool. I don’t mind watching you guys mislynch me.

Dude you are overreacting chill. My vote is not set in stone but it is getting closer as this response doesn't sound like civ Daisy imo.

hmmm I'm not satisfied with daisy's last post. her logic for why a baddie wouldn't vote as she did seems a little too thought through, if she was just a clueless townie throwing a vote somewhere she could just say that she was a clueless townie throwing a vote somewhere and not have this elaborate rationale cooked up.

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:07 am Replace owner with mata and we're golden.

I mean, not THAT Golden, but we can come close
Why am I no longer evil incarnate?

You're in tinfoil territory, which is where I like to put you when you've been behaving

The "fake" vibes have subsided a bit and the actual effort has come out more.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:06 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:06 amor mata
Jay wants to hear about it.

She has a tone that comes across as stilted/overly analytical and removed or something, idk, look back at my exchange with her during like-the-way-you-think-gate. I haven't played with her in a while and maybe it's just her personality/style but most of her posts rubbed me the wrong way and don't read like genuine organic thoughts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:05 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:03 am I was never positive on Luna's alignment. I was very convinced that she was not a good option for a day 1 lynch, but never positive. I tried to sway the lynch off of her because it was stupid and there were better options on the table -- unfortunately Mongoose wasn't the right choice either, but that whole EOD was, as our host put it, a fustercluck.
Fight me or agree with me or something:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:54 pm I feel oddly comfortable with the state of this game. It's a bummer to lose Mongoose, but I think people kinda shined in the process. I would be prudent to add reywaS to my POE to make it 5-deep; I can't provide a terribly meaningful case for him as a civilian. I feel pretty peachy about everyone outside this set though:

reywaS
indiglo
Owner
Spacedaisy
Elohcin

Replace owner with mata and we're golden.

I mean, not THAT Golden, but we can come close

I am feeling better about Owner now. I am most likely looking at a daisy or mata vote. Got a crazy high priority project at work tomorrow so I won't be talking much.

I was never positive on Luna's alignment. I was very convinced that she was not a good option for a day 1 lynch, but never positive. I tried to sway the lynch off of her because it was stupid and there were better options on the table -- unfortunately Mongoose wasn't the right choice either, but that whole EOD was, as our host put it, a fustercluck.

Oh no not juliets

Rather than "nutella doesn't think anything about anyone" it would be more accurate to say "nutella thinks everything about everyone"

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:14 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:15 pm Lunalee and nutella are civilians for being silly enough to think I'm bad.
I guess I'm skeptical to think that they think you are good most of the time or am I wrong?
nutella doesn't think anything about anyone most of the time. Any read she states is liable to change in a millisecond.

I think their suspicion of me looks authentic in this game. This is the only game I'm concerned with when I make this read. Luna particularly moved her vote to me and endangered herself in the process. That's suggestive of a genuine suspicion. nutella isn't a slam dunk, but I like the cut of her jib as they say. I understand why she suspected me and kind of expected it frankly.
So nutella, do you feel Jay is giving an accurate description of you? Do you generally play differently?

Hmm, It looks like I missed when Luna moved her vote.

I do tend to change my mind a lot yes, that part is true. Doesn't mean my thoughts/reads aren't valuable when I make them though, and sometimes they do last across phases.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:53 pm
2. Why these 4 specifically? What has each other player done to earn your trust?

I believe he has more or less given his reasons for townreading most if not all of the other players in previous posts

5. Bonus Question: On a scale of Dizzy to M Plus 7, how would you rate yourself?

What the hell does this mean lmao

Jay IS the scale, my dear

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:52 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:50 pm Mongoose, what are you talking about re: Mac? You've not mentioned this before that I can see. This lynch is chaos, I hate to see you go down but this just doesn't make sense.
Mngoose DID call Mac out on a slip..SHE DID. I referenced it too. Way back in the day

It was a joke tho

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