The Syndicate

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:35 pm Sabie’s role was fun, she gave out instructions that people didn’t have to do. BWT was silenced by her, but he could have posted if he wanted. Juliet’s didn’t really have a -2 vote. Drago didn’t follow his instructions correctly so we killed him. But Veronica redirected my power to Drago on the same night, so I thought I was busted. I don’t know what happened there.

Omg, extortion roles are so clever

LOL I didn't even think the game was gonna end. Congrats mafia. And "fluke victory" my ass, they skated by in just the right way while town continued to shit the bed. They deserve the win.

You're gonna shit yourself

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:30 pm nutella if sabie is bad and you're not she could have skipped the Lynch. She says its because she thought she would be penalized but there was no reason to think that. The whole thing makes me feel like you are busing.

I believe her that she was afraid of being penalized. It has been common in this site's culture for hosts to require players to vote, and I personally have "don't miss votes, ever" strongly ingrained in me and I wouldn't be surprised if sabie did too. I'm saying it's perfectly reasonable that she just felt she needed to get a vote on the board somewhere and the oreki wagon was convenient enough.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:29 pm But you know that any mislynch loses us the game right?

It is important we get this right. Are you interested in us getting this right or just saving yourself?

Because pinning the entire game on the notion that Indiglo is Mafia because of the curse is foolhardy in the extreme and I was just testing you.

I'm wary of staking the game on anything right now. I'm not confident in anything, but I do know that we have a better chance of hitting mafia in indi than in me because the chance of hitting mafia in me is zero. So I'll take what I can get.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:22 pm Nutella would you vote for Indiglo?

With that consideration/realization^, sure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:20 pm If either of them are Mafia and you are not, you die yesterday.

You are either all civilians, or you are Mafia with at least one of them.

If you are all civilians then it really only leaves BwT, Mata and Indiglo.

But Indiglo is cursed today.

Why is Indiglo cursed and not one of us?

Hmmm do you think mafia cursed one of their own to avoid having to defend herself? Spicy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:19 pm I really didn't like sabie's vote or explanation for oreki. Regardless of how much she explains that she was just running in and making a hasty decision, she claimed there was a "case" on him without understanding what that was and that was an easy excuse for her to throw her vote on and make it look thought through when it clearly wasn't. I'd vote for her if you're willing to.
Why does Mafia Sabie vote for Oreki > you. Or vote at all? She could just sit back for another 4 mins and miss the d/l.

She didn't want to miss the deadline because she wanted to look town and invested. She tags on oreki because he's the leading wagon and it's fine and it didn't appear that there was a chance to lynch me at that point anyway/she didn't want to make it closer/make a tie (idk the exact timing) because it would draw attention.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:19 pm I play on my phone and I'm trying to keep up with the conversation. I was also wondering why all the votes on nutella but then I thought maybe macs point that her teammates wouldn't want to out themselves made sense.

"Yikes I was afraid people were starting to figure out nutella was another mislynch but then thankfully mac came up with a plausible reason not to move my vote"

This is so bad

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:18 pm So in that world at least one of Sabie/Rej saved you at EOD for no reason.

First of all they wouldn't have known they were saving me since it looked like Oreki was significantly ahead of me anyway if they didn't know juliets' vote was negative. So they were just coming in at the last minute and piling on the wagon just so they'd have a vote on the board. Second of all, they wouldn't have minded me being lynched either since I'm not on their team. The mafia were just fine with yesterday going as blah as it did.

I really didn't like sabie's vote or explanation for oreki. Regardless of how much she explains that she was just running in and making a hasty decision, she claimed there was a "case" on him without understanding what that was and that was an easy excuse for her to throw her vote on and make it look thought through when it clearly wasn't. I'd vote for her if you're willing to.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:14 pm Why not Sabie? Why not Indiglo?

Oh, I forgot sabie. Yeah I think she's more likely than rej.

I have mostly townread indi but of course could be wrong about her.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:49 pm Civs you have an hour to decide not to fuck up.
You are talking at us rather than with us.

YOU have an hour to provide us with a decent case if you are a civilian.
Dude the problem is I could see pretty much anyone being the mafia at this point. I have made cases on most of them and I'm not confident about any of them. That's how it goes when town has no information and there are too many possible worlds. You don't seem to be considering enough of those possible worlds.
I have considered all of them.

One involves a bastard role.

One involves a Mafia team fluking their way to a flawless victory with a cop that hasn't managed to net a single red peek while still alive and who no showed an entire day as a team and Mac/Nutella hard towning and not solving a single Mafia.

One involves Nutella being a skillful deepwolf and carrying her team to mylo.
Not sure what the bastard role you're thinking of is here.

Not sure why you don't include juliets as a possible deepwolf.

It's probably both of you.
You are talking to me. You aren't going to save yourself from me by calling me Mafia.

Assume Juliets and I are civilians and convince me who is bad.

well that narrows down my pool quite a bit then, eh

BWT, Mata, and Rej.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:58 pm I know why BWT has us as 50/50 as well with a different scumcrew. I went through the same thought process. This game doesn't arrive here without a deepwolf.
And it's you or juliets.
If it's Juliets I would be very, very surprised.

And unless I misread my role PM and no showed the scumchat all game it isn't me.

It's either you or it's the flukiest scumwin ever. C'est la vie

It's not me.

And you keep saying that if it's the less active people it's a "fluke." I disagree. The way they have skated by but still avoided getting lynched would be expert mafia play, even if some of that is inadvertent via being busy irl.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:49 pm Civs you have an hour to decide not to fuck up.
You are talking at us rather than with us.

YOU have an hour to provide us with a decent case if you are a civilian.
Dude the problem is I could see pretty much anyone being the mafia at this point. I have made cases on most of them and I'm not confident about any of them. That's how it goes when town has no information and there are too many possible worlds. You don't seem to be considering enough of those possible worlds.
I have considered all of them.

One involves a bastard role.

One involves a Mafia team fluking their way to a flawless victory with a cop that hasn't managed to net a single red peek while still alive and who no showed an entire day as a team and Mac/Nutella hard towning and not solving a single Mafia.

One involves Nutella being a skillful deepwolf and carrying her team to mylo.

Not sure what the bastard role you're thinking of is here.

Not sure why you don't include juliets as a possible deepwolf.

It's probably both of you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:58 pm I know why BWT has us as 50/50 as well with a different scumcrew. I went through the same thought process. This game doesn't arrive here without a deepwolf.

And it's you or juliets.

You are painting this narrative so hard and so relentlessly that I'm becoming more and more convinced you are bad and this is going exactly how you want it to go. I'm trying my goddamn best here don't you get on my case for not having a "case"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:05 am And I also totally disagree with you on bwt, I have zero reason to clear him either.

This is fucking hard. Don't mislynch me though. I'm actually invested in this unlike the other game.
If you are so invested where are your suspects?

The way you speak makes it sound like you know your lynch continues the game. A mislynch wouldn't divest you from the game. It would end it.

You are definitely invested in this game I will give you that. Invested in your scum win.

I really suspect bwt right now and I think he's been coasting along, probably with you or juliets as a more active teammate.

And you're twisting my words about my being invested. I don't want to be mislynched because I don't want to die and I want a town victory. I'm sick of watching these mislynches catch on as easily as they have since Day 1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:49 pm Civs you have an hour to decide not to fuck up.
You are talking at us rather than with us.

YOU have an hour to provide us with a decent case if you are a civilian.

Dude the problem is I could see pretty much anyone being the mafia at this point. I have made cases on most of them and I'm not confident about any of them. That's how it goes when town has no information and there are too many possible worlds. You don't seem to be considering enough of those possible worlds.

Civs you have an hour to decide not to fuck up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:48 pm So I had a full night's sleep and I still don't see a decent case for anyone aside from Nutella.

I do see her and Rej distancing though.

Literally everyone is voting for me? Does that not concern you?

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:47 pm also like specifically his last post sounds like he has created a false dichotomy between me and mac saying one of us has to be bad when that's not necessarily true. sounds like a fake justification for joining my wagon.
why you think you could be the easiest lynch today?

I don't know, you tell me. Why am I apparently the easiest lynch today?

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 4:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:48 pm hm rej that's not usually what we mean by TMI but also dangerously close to claiming info lol.

might be enough to make me think you're town for now though

[VOTE: bwt] aubergine
got it, so TMI is only used for scum knowledge?

yeah specifically we use it to refer to scum knowing someone is town because they know they're not scum

hm rej that's not usually what we mean by TMI but also dangerously close to claiming info lol.

might be enough to make me think you're town for now though

[VOTE: bwt] aubergine

also like specifically his last post sounds like he has created a false dichotomy between me and mac saying one of us has to be bad when that's not necessarily true. sounds like a fake justification for joining my wagon.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 2:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:53 pm who wants to vote for bwt with me anyone
nutella, what is the case on bwt?

he sounds bad

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:38 pm Something is wrong here. All the mafia are voting for nutella. I don't like it.

Took you long enough lol

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:50 pm Guys my vote on nutella is based on me having TMI. Oreki was 100% a mislynch from my side I really have a bad run today and also the other days and I also play games on other forums. I don't mind being shot off by mafia next day and keep up the MyLo up for you guys.

what

Mac you never answered my question about juliets. Please do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 2:51 am I'm not unconvinceable btw. Show me the real villains.

"I'm not completely set on you specifically being the mislynch. Propose someone else who's not on my team and we'll be cool."

I swear I'm one of like two people actively trying to solve the game and you are all just unthinkingly piling your votes on me. The town is willingly giving up its chance to win here and the mafia are happily tagging along and/or pushing for my lynch.

who wants to vote for bwt with me anyone

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:01 pm Alright. I'm voting nutella after properly catching up. Basically, I'm about 50/50 on if she or Mac are bad, and depending on which one is bad entirely affects who I think both of their teammates are. Hopefully the game will continue after this phase. But if not, Mac, then my hat is off to you for manipulating this game so magnificently.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

.....why do you think one of me or mac has to be bad

what possibly leads you to think that's the decision here

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:49 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:04 am Can you tell me why you're not considering juliets?? Do you have any reason to think she's town? Because I don't.

Juliets/Rej/[Mata or Indi] is there any reason that wouldn't make sense to you?

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:04 am Can you tell me why you're not considering juliets?? Do you have any reason to think she's town? Because I don't.

Juliets/Rej/[Mata or Indi] is there any reason that wouldn't make sense to you?

Hmm you seem really frustrated by this. Is it just because you're (only potentially) in it or some other reason? Do you specifically have reason to believe juliets is town? Say

if you are confident juliets is town. Say

if your frustration here is for some other reason not just yourself being mentioned.

And I also totally disagree with you on bwt, I have zero reason to clear him either.

This is fucking hard. Don't mislynch me though. I'm actually invested in this unlike the other game.

Or sabie I guess but at the moment I'm thinking either one of sabie or rej is mafia but not both

Can you tell me why you're not considering juliets?? Do you have any reason to think she's town? Because I don't.

Juliets/Rej/[Mata or Indi] is there any reason that wouldn't make sense to you?

You're so concerned with the idea that they were "saving" me. They were just voting. They're either civs who suspected oreki more than they suspected me, or they're mafia and literally had no stake in which of us got lynched and just voted for the sake of voting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 2:48 am If Sabie and Rej are civilians they don't save you.

If you are a civ and they are Mafia they dont save you.

.....you're missing my point. Neither of the leading wagons were mafia. Regardless of their alignment they both probably just wanted to get a vote on the board since they were around, and it didn't matter which they chose.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:10 pm Okay so at the end of yesterday Nutella was the leading wagon with my vote, Juliets vote and Rej's vote. Nutella was trying to drum up an Oreki counterwagon that we now know was a civ counterwagon. So 3-1.

Long Con, Oreki, Matahari, BWT and Indiglo all failed to vote.

If Nutella was a civilian in that scenario, nothing happens. The Mafia hang back and let her go... but here, a save occurred.

Is it possible that Rej and Sabie saved civilian Nutella?

No, I don't believe so. Rej had suspicion of Nutella and had his vote right there until right at the end, I cannot see rationally what Nutella did in thread to deserve a reprieve from a sane civilian Rej.

I think it's quite clear that Rej and Sabie blew in to save Nutella at the end of the day. I think they are the Mafia.

Even if Sabie and Rej just totally fucked up, the numbers lean towards them accidentally saving scum nutella rather than they being scum and saving civilian Nutella.

The ONLY alternative I can see here is that Matahari, Birdwithteeth and Indiglo have just stumblefucked their way into the luckiest flawless victory ever. I do not see it.

@Matahari @indiglo @birdwithteeth11 @juliets we need to lynch Nutella today. We cannot waiver from it either.

I don't even get what your premises are here. You seem to be assuming that because oreki and I were competing wagons one of us had to be bad. That's not the case. Like dude there were only three votes on the board until the end so it hardly even counted as competing wagons, people just weren't here. If sabie and rej are mafia who flew in to vote at the last minute, they were surely glad to see that they could safely vote for either of the leading candidates anyway.

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:10 pm Okay so at the end of yesterday Nutella was the leading wagon with my vote, Juliets vote and Rej's vote. Nutella was trying to drum up an Oreki counterwagon that we now know was a civ counterwagon. So 3-1.

Long Con, Oreki, Matahari, BWT and Indiglo all failed to vote.

If Nutella was a civilian in that scenario, nothing happens. The Mafia hang back and let her go... but here, a save occurred.

Is it possible that Rej and Sabie saved civilian Nutella?

No, I don't believe so. Rej had suspicion of Nutella and had his vote right there until right at the end, I cannot see rationally what Nutella did in thread to deserve a reprieve from a sane civilian Rej.

I think it's quite clear that Rej and Sabie blew in to save Nutella at the end of the day. I think they are the Mafia.

Even if Sabie and Rej just totally fucked up, the numbers lean towards them accidentally saving scum nutella rather than they being scum and saving civilian Nutella.

The ONLY alternative I can see here is that Matahari, Birdwithteeth and Indiglo have just stumblefucked their way into the luckiest flawless victory ever. I do not see it.

@Matahari @indiglo @birdwithteeth11 @juliets we need to lynch Nutella today. We cannot waiver from it either.

OK you are freaking me out here trying to control everyone else and drive a mislynch of me here, but I'm still torn on whether it makes you bad or if you genuinely think you are solving this. I just wish you would consider more possibilities. I'm not bad. Maybe BWT is bad, I really don't understand why you're clearing him. I'm coming around to thinking Rej could be bad though and I also think sabie likely is.

Weird how you went from "we need to lynch rej he's absolutely the common thread among possible teams" to "we nEED to lynch nutella guys it's urgent!!1!" in like 2 posts

Still don't really get why you think I'm bad though. I'm giving you a second chance but you're not giving me one for some reason. Why are you so stuck in this tunnel?

But it's possible he's mafia and has been craftily engineering the game from the beginning to steer mislynches. Having just been scummates with Mac I can more easily see that being the case here the longer it goes on.

I think Mac is 3P.

And rej could have me fooled, I've never played with him before and got town vibes but maybe he is just very skilled at looking that way as scum.

I don't know what to say anymore but I swear I'm not mafia. I will be very surprised if juliets isn't but there is a small POE at this point and I'm also reconsidering rej and sabie. I didn't like sabie's last minute vote, she explained that she was in a rush but she said something about "the case on oreki" without appearing to have any awareness of what that was. Seems like scum joining an easy bandwagon and attempting to provide a reason.

If juliets isn't mafia I'll tie my dick in a permanent knot and I don't even have one so you know I'm serious about this suspicion. She's trying to get so much credit from trying to save oreki but I'm not bad either so she has to be.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:04 pm My thoughts are if the civs in this game just continue to take the piss then we might as well give up. I was busy for a day and the laziest lynch to ever lynch took place.

If Nutella isn't Mafia I will eat my own hand.

If we just come out tomorrow and lynch the lowest hanging fruit again the game is over.

How will you tie your dick in a knot with only one hand

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:23 pmOh yay

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