The Syndicate

lol ofc <3

@Marmot you didn't reveal what everyone's bread was I wanna confirm that mine was the most dubious catfit

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:18 pm Tutuu - Vigkill nutella (protected by spf)

DAB DAB DAB

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:11 pm Good game, folks! I'm a bit surprised by the concede. tutuu may have had an outside shot at least.

Anyway, it was a good battle and both sides played strong, effortful Mafia.

if i was allowed to attack spf on n3 i wouldn't have conceded

mm yeah that's

meh

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:13 pm what everyone does is, is they alert people who normally receive feedback (role pm of night result - cops, investigative roles) - of when they get roleblocked/they receive no result.

yeah this is very true, it's weird to tell mafia why a kill didn't go through

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:11 pm I'm a bit surprised by the concede. tutuu may have had an outside shot at least.

agreed, i was coming into today with dk > esooa > then consider the tutuu world

but yeah this makes sense


also great post marmot lol and ty for game!!

Lol

lol if alison were town she would have recognized hours ago that I'm town here, instead she and her buddy esooa simply parked their votes on me and vanished from the thread


so at this point i'm feeling pretty damn confident about this flip

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:14 pm You have a POE?

always had.

no ones queried me about it.

i dont out reads unless asked or i feel its relevant on principle.

youve been asked a zillion times

why are you so cagey about what your reads are

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:14 pm You have a POE?

lmao mindmeld

hammer is 2/3 which is 8

Hm

Argument for koba mafia is (a) they've really committed to appearing they don't have TMI on me, (b) they're sticking with it because they already have the excuse to vote for me instead of alison

trouble is i really don't think mafia should have any hope left that my wagon overtakes alison's at this point

eh. I can see their commitment to the tunnel on me both ways

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:34 pm I just want to lock in Koba, and then Ali tomorrow, since I am slightly less confident on her lol

Meh, I still think koba's tunnel on me has decent likelihood to be wrong town committing to it for bad reasons

They can be mafia but I feel better going for Alison here

I've been pretty much caught D1 in all of my recent scumgames fwiw

Believe me I really wish I could pull a scum performance where I played like I have here

But I think that's a ways out in my evolution as a player lol

I used to be way less polarized but I got stronger as a villager and it'll take a lot of practice to level up my scum game

And I keep randing villager (except in mashes ) so not getting a ton of that practice

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:22 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:13 pm @nutella what would you call your best mafia-aligned performance ever?

http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=2006

LMFAO

I don't think it's clever or funny

Esooa hasn't even justified her change to thinking I'm mafia other than "Alison's post was believable"

And she hasn't done any of her own solving today

So snarky stuff like this isn't impressive

Oh I forgot S6 scrimmage which you know all about

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:13 pm @nutella what would you call your best mafia-aligned performance ever?

Uh

Really hard to say bc my meta evolved significantly a couple years ago and I had some quite good scum games before then when I didn't have such polarized townplay quality lol (Fire Emblem, Mass Effect, and Mortal Kombat come to mind as very strong ones)

As for more recent, the bar is so much lower lol, FTL was decent but as you know it was low volume and town kinda ate itself. My Hydra Mash performance from a month ago on MU was also sort of okay in that I lasted probably longer than I should have.

P much all of these relied on bussing lol.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:58 pm here's the thing

meta isn't trash

be salty about it all you want but it is demonstrably true that the more you have played with a player and become familiar with their style the more accuracy you will have reading them

thats only if they are terribad at scum and dont do anything to improve to play against the expectations for their town meta. spf has been limmed many a time from "meta' reasons from players when she was town with many games with her bc her scum game is decent enough where she can manipulate it.

ok well I'm terribad at scum bc i'm too spammy as town and can't imitate it as scum without digging myself a hole


some people are good at imitating their meta to fool people, sure. but it's still reliable more often than not.

here's the thing

meta isn't trash

be salty about it all you want but it is demonstrably true that the more you have played with a player and become familiar with their style the more accuracy you will have reading them

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:54 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:36 pm i literaly dont care what u think that kind of post is always town

I keep returning to this in my head, because I make a post like Alison's literally every time I am mafia and on the chopping block.

also this yeah and especially for alison

they'll just say "meta is trash" again but that kind of post absolutely fits as a scum alison tactic

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:52 pm meta is trash the way most ppl apply it.


im referring to esooa's townrange.

how is how people are applying it to my range different from how you are applying it to esooa's

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:36 pm Most annoying town feeling is knowing with near-absolute certainty that you're never getting night killed and will have to deal with the next day phase.

lol yeah I'm glad we have cleared prs but fml

lol btw thank fuck we ended up in the setup without godfather

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:19 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:59 pm posts are long and i'm making dinner but the idea i'm "powerwolfing" is a funny one

Worth asking:

If you're mafia, then that term up there would pretty well apply. Why's it funny?

Because (a) it's not in my range and (b) I haven't even pushed much that hard other than michelle who i backed off and went with consensus on ellie anyway

I remember looking at post game chat of my recent wolf game

"Here is why Mac is obviously town while Esooa is wolf

Mac is trying to read the game and evaluate players

Esooa is saying 'I'm not in my range'"

He was right

I have been reading the game and evaluating players this whole phase.

Guess who hasn't?

flip me and you'll see I'm town :^)

Thank you very cool!!!

If I'm mafia who are my teammates?

You haven't been solving shit

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:59 pm posts are long and i'm making dinner but the idea i'm "powerwolfing" is a funny one

Worth asking:

If you're mafia, then that term up there would pretty well apply. Why's it funny?

Because (a) it's not in my range and (b) I haven't even pushed much that hard other than michelle who i backed off and went with consensus on ellie anyway

I remember looking at post game chat of my recent wolf game

"Here is why Mac is obviously town while Esooa is wolf

Mac is trying to read the game and evaluate players

Esooa is saying 'I'm not in my range'"

He was right

I have been reading the game and evaluating players this whole phase.

Guess who hasn't?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:15 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine


vanity vote cuz it looks like alison is going thru.

i still think alison is town here.

this also seems like reverse psychology to sound like my wagon isn't viable but quietly hoping it can compete

idk

still mostly think you are the wrong town here and don't fit in the team but this post felt weord

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:12 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:06 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:03 pm Like you were agreeing with me on everything and voting alison until she made her megapost and you suddenly unquestioningly believed it

What gives

I changed my mind

what was it about Alison's post that moved you the most?

I didn't like Nutellas response to it, and her point about she wouldn't have been getting bussed was IMO accurate. The thread state around her feels like she doesn't have partners rn. I've not seen her wolf so I could be wrong on this, but yeah. In a similar vain I disagree with a lot of the teams you make with Alison and don't think she has many if any viable ones

Again I think the point about her getting bussed is moot bc someone like you would def be deeper than her anyway, and also if she's not the mafia PR she would want to go before them

I mean first of all I'm blatantly town

second of all I'm never consdering this point

third of all, no, a team of Alison+Esooa+1 does not decide to bus in any way. Like at all. Why would we do that. We would own the thread

Yeah well you're not bussing

Also true

Her point was sort of that she wouldn't be the first wolf to die but I don't think that holds up in this gamestate at all

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:59 pm posts are long and i'm making dinner but the idea i'm "powerwolfing" is a funny one

Worth asking:

If you're mafia, then that term up there would pretty well apply. Why's it funny?

Because (a) it's not in my range and (b) I haven't even pushed much that hard other than michelle who i backed off and went with consensus on ellie anyway

But still she is trying to fight her chop still with reverse psychology so idk

Means alison is likely not the vig which would be nice to get today rip

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:06 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:03 pm Like you were agreeing with me on everything and voting alison until she made her megapost and you suddenly unquestioningly believed it

What gives

I changed my mind

what was it about Alison's post that moved you the most?

I didn't like Nutellas response to it, and her point about she wouldn't have been getting bussed was IMO accurate. The thread state around her feels like she doesn't have partners rn. I've not seen her wolf so I could be wrong on this, but yeah. In a similar vain I disagree with a lot of the teams you make with Alison and don't think she has many if any viable ones

Again I think the point about her getting bussed is moot bc someone like you would def be deeper than her anyway, and also if she's not the mafia PR she would want to go before them

Like her goal is to survive the day but she needs to make it look like she's okay with dying "as long as people sheep her solve" so she needs to make it look like she has a unique enough solve

I think Alison went for me specifically *because* I've been so towny and her "solve" is meant to seem almost outlandish in the sense that it would look like something only a townie would come up with

This is a layered thought I may not be expressing well but I think it makes a lot of sense within Alison's strategic style

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:03 pm Like you were agreeing with me on everything and voting alison until she made her megapost and you suddenly unquestioningly believed it

What gives

I changed my mind

Or she laid out her plan in scum chat that your only viable way forward was to try and bury me

Like you were agreeing with me on everything and voting alison until she made her megapost and you suddenly unquestioningly believed it

What gives

Esooa I don't think your progression has been genuine

How did you swap sides so abruptly and without consideration

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:46 pm I might just be coming around to Alison/Esooa because I see too much town elsewhere. Grogu and DK can be there. Omega is a technical suspect but feels town. tutuu is a technical suspect but feels extra town.

So even if Alison/Esooa is wrong, that still could just be a POE. Or something.

I understand Nanook tinfoil. I do think though that his handling of the claims this phase was one of the more conclusively town-looking things in the game

Yeah

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:34 pm ngl a bit paranoid about Nanook being mafia, maybe could be with Alison but meh

mindmeld tbh. The better I feel about jay the more nook comes back into contention

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:31 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:30 pm
Can you, like, convince me I am wrong? Or even try to?

I don't know what you need convincing of. I've explained all of my perspectives today and why Alison is likely mafia.

do it again for me please

I am busy today I would prefer you just read my posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:53 pm There is some potential that Alison's massive post that culminated in "vote nutella" was just opportunism. She could have anticipated voting support from DK, Made, Michelle, and maybe Esooa (I don't recall how hers developed). I don't get why nutella is the answer instead of some other high-volume or perceived "manipulative" player.

why won't you vote for alison

I might. I haven't voted all day, because I'm working out the game as much as I can before I build onto any damn wagon.

You know, if I was mafia with Alison the last thing I'd do is waffle around like a lost puppy. I'd pick a lane. I know what kinda shit people like to believe is "teamy". I am Interaction Boy.

I am torn and my play reflects that.

are you all out of faith

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:30 pm
Can you, like, convince me I am wrong? Or even try to?

I don't know what you need convincing of. I've explained all of my perspectives today and why Alison is likely mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:53 pm There is some potential that Alison's massive post that culminated in "vote nutella" was just opportunism. She could have anticipated voting support from DK, Made, Michelle, and maybe Esooa (I don't recall how hers developed). I don't get why nutella is the answer instead of some other high-volume or perceived "manipulative" player.

why won't you vote for alison

I think doom is still town

Wish more ppl were considering esooa though. Her play today is the opposite of inspiring

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:25 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:21 pm <snip>

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:00 am
Alison 1 Made
Esooa 1 DkKoba
JaggedJimmyJay 1 tutuu
Long Con 1 Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 1 Long Con
staypositivefriend 1 Michelle

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:57 am
Alison 1 Made
DaughterOfOmega
EllieDelight 1 Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay 1 tutuu
Long Con 5 EllieDelight, nutella, Alison, staypositivefriend, Esooa
Michelle 1 DkKoba
staypositivefriend 1 Michelle

Oh my,

<snip>
didn't want to use spoilers again, these are the first 2 VCs I saved

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:09 am [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:34 am <snip>
[VOTE: long con] aubergine

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:44 am <snip>
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I found the order of the votes on LC in the first wagon, usually mafia don't start a wagon and waits for a townie to start it, and legends say that the 3rd vote is the worst and usually from mafia.

@Nutella, I found evidence, defend yourself

I- what? You're accusing me of being mafia for my LC vote? Ok


I think if you are seeing the case for Alison mafia you should realize I'm town lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:22 pm If Alison dies and flips mafia, I don't even care -- I'm probably going to get chopped, but the game will be entirely solvable anyway. Just don't get comfortable you overconfident goobers, because I'm not the one.

you are my least confident link in my current solve and i still feel like you're pretty towny a lot of the time, but more and more you fit with an alison esooa team and i am more seeing some of the things i have identified in the past as your scum tactics. you'd probably be the last one i nail down confidently and i will reevaluate when needed but it's making a lot of sense to me rn

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:20 pm I ask because the Alison wagon feels like the Ellie chop did. It feels like the kind of thing Dels would rightly criticize as a "we have to chop X"

no it doesn't

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:15 pm General question to Alison voters. Please be honest with yourselves first, and then with me:

Is your suspicion of Alison driven largely by the perspective of the game you held prior to Day 3, or prior to the claims on Day 3? That is: are you forcing yourself through a confirmation of old or dated perspectives from a prior game state that resulted in a horrible consensus POE and two mischops?

it's a combination of both, I have taken the whole game into account

this is a weird discredit dude lol

You're doing that nutella thing again where you warp every post into your imagined reality. I asked the question because it's important to me. "discredit" fucking meh

lol