The Syndicate

Who was originally supposed to get forced votes?

Also, what did FZ learn about Golden on the last night?

Thanks Epig, that was a lot of fun.

bea, awesome btsc! FZ, just so you know, bea helped tame my thirst for blood against you haha. M'bad.

Epignosis wrote:
Matt F wrote:Epig - So did water actually do anything?
Water kept you from being blocked or killed in the desert your first time (it was a protection against TH's power).

Oh sweet. I was wondering to myself "Do I need to PM Epig and say 'I'd like to drink my water now' " Haha

Even though the sig and Turnip suspicions seemed to be jokes, I'm still mind boggled that Mac's first three suspicions were all mafia.

Wow dude. Haha.

Linki - Whoa. That's a lot of poison.

Woot!

Nice job, Golden! (and rest of town)

Eloh - For awhile I thought you might be an indy or on an indy team, and were lying about all of the forced voters being good. ROCK ON though with that forced vote. Also rock on to Floyd, the only non-forced sig voter.

Mac - Fuckin' genius.

SVS - Told you I wasn't bad. I was telling bea in btsc, though, that a more experienced player probably would've used my power better. I decided just to ask straight forward questions based on my visions. Haha.

Epig - So did water actually do anything?

Baddies - Better luck next time

MacDougall wrote:Um the Dune film is on the TV here in a few minutes. How weird.

If Luke isn't the last Harkonnen, do you oppose the town lynching you next?

Okay Golden let's read your latest post on the matter.

Golden wrote:@Matt - 'everyone' shouldn't think there is a recruit, I'm not sure how that has happened either. I raise the concept, and it becomes main stream. I just didn't want us to assume the last Harkonnen would end the game. I keep my mind open.

I put it out there as a possibility that one specific role could be a traitor. I also think there is a very limited pool of living people that specific role could be. Namely, Matt F. If Matt F is not that role (and he has claimed not to be), I do not think there is a traitor. Even if Matt F was that role, there is no guarantee he would be a traitor.

Ie, from my perspective, there is no recruit, or Matt F is a recruit. I think it very likely there is no recruit. I'm just keeping my eye on Matt as an outside possibility, to only be pursued if all Harkonnen are gone and the game has not ended.

Others seem to have latched on to the idea but far beyond what the lore appears to allow for, and knowing Epi's hosting style his roles will fit the story. The Emperor was a potential candidate for a traitor in lore, but its hardly a traitor when he is part of a faction which could just as easily be independent anyway.

@FZ - yeah, see, I would definitely find it lame too. That's why I have to vote luke. I can't imagine this game is continuing in this way if banana is the last baddie. I have to hope.

You say there is a recruit or there isn't. But if there is, it's me.

Did I not just read that?

Anyway, lynch Luke. FZ said you're good, and I believe her.

Okay.

Golden - I am not a traitor. I am not a recruit. I am not Harkonnen. Can you remind me how you've come to this conclusion?

Anyway, Golden seems pretty sure. FZ and Sorsha seem to think Golden is on the up and up as well, so let's lynch Luke and see what happens.

Why does everyone think there is a recruit now?

I am happy to discuss Sorsha though. I was expecting her dead Night 2 and every night since, but nada. No offense, Sorsha, why do the baddies continue to let you live?

FZ - Where you at? Your thoughts on Golden? (and before Golden says I'm trying to set him up, no that's not what I'm doing)

Holy toledo!

I just read Luke's ISO, and it is odd.

The day sig gets forced votes, Luke asks why everyone is voting for sig. The day Turnip is lynched, Floyd votes for TH, Luke says "can you please explain your vote". He seems to get specifically interested in players when it's the bad guys (and before we know they're the bad guys).

Also, Golden, calm down. That's all I'm asking. We have 48 hours.

MacDougall wrote:Okay Golden. You have one lynch. If Luke isn't scum I wil end you.

Are you kidding?

I asked you your top three suspects, you said FZ, Golden, and Blooper. Now you're voting Luke right away on Golden's say so?

Yesterday he promised us Floyd as Harkonnen and me as Floyd's recruit. Day 1 he promised Zebra or he'd be gobsmacked, if I recall.

Stop voting for Luke please. Yes he very well may be mafia, but we have 48 hours. C'mon now.

So Luke killed SVS just now, is that what you're saying?

Golden wrote:I voted Luke.

Yesterday, I narrowed the last harkonnen down to him or floyd. I admit if I'd had the chance to pick either, I probably still would have gone floyd. But I felt like it was a 50/50 shot.

Today, with floyd gone and not bad, I feel this is a 100% shot.

Luke is the last harkonnen. If I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow.

Golden, take a chill. We have a whole day to go over this.

I don't like it when supposed civvies say "lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong". What does that even mean?

RIP SVS.

FZ - What are your thoughts on Golden? Anything interesting you want to share?

MacDougall wrote:FZ, Golden and Niju

One reason I'm hesitant on you is because Elohcin insists that all of the forced sig voters are good.

If you suspect Golden, does that mean you believe Elohcin may be lying about her claim?

Who are your top three suspects, Mac?

I trust bea that she believes SVS to be civvie, but I'd still like SVS to answer FZ in regards to FZ's meta. Cuz that is kinda strange.

Also, ISO'd a few players. Lots of thoughts, but won't bore thread with most of them haha because ya all know how I can be.

Mac's first post in the game

MacDougall wrote:Sig picked the gun when he had choices ergo he's a killer and easy day 1 lynch.

Okay, coincidence that Mac's very first post he identifies sig as a killer? I believe in Talking Heads, Jimmy Jay found multiple games in which Mac identified his own teammates as mafia and quite early in the game, when I had asked 3J about it. If you don't want to take my word for it, I will (dreadfully) go search 3J's ISO for those links.

But okay, let's just say Mac was being funny. Alright, let's move on.

The second time Mac susses someone in the game, his ninth post...

MacDougall wrote:I actually got pinged by turnip head's NFL post somehow. But that's probably because I am a genius level scum hunter.

The third time Mac susses someone in the game, his seventeenth post...

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I do not believe policy lynches can occur after day 1 so if this fails to occur I won't push for a policy lynch on him again.

And no, not really. This discussion should get people motivated to talk. It should influence a lot of play. It will help incentivise conversation on day 1 that could lead to genuine cases. Better that than we start by just asking about the weather. Let the games begin.
Policy-lynching a player Day 1 every game is unproductive, especially if you declare such a plan.

I will no be voting for Matt F today.
So you will not be voting for Matt F even if significant evidence comes out in the thread that should encourage his lynch for not policy lynch reasons? Interesting.

And who said anything about doing it every game?

on Metalmarsh

So, the first three players he identifies as mafia or is suspicious of (whether it seems like he was joking or not), all turn out to be mafia.

Genius level scum hunter or scum himself?

My only drawback here is that Elohcin insists that those who were forced to vote sig are good.

Fyi I'm NOT trying to lynch Mac right away, but I felt it was worth sharing. What do you think?

Golden - So do you still think I'm Wellington (you're wrong, btw) and now that Floyd is dead, do you think Wellington has been recruited by someone else?

Golden wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I really wish you (Golden) would share more with us about your trust in FZ and how it came to be.
I've been working very hard, espeically by way of observing others responses to what happens in the game and various discussions and hints, to establish which house I believe each player to be in. There have been good reasons why this has felt like a good strategy for figuring out the game, not least of which is your own contributions. I believe I have established the house of many players. FZ is one. I believe there is evidence as to which house she is in, and I don't think it's Harkonnen.

I won't say more - I'll let FZ claim which house if she will, because even ruling out Harkonnen, if I'm wrong and she wanted to lie she only has a 25% chance of guessing right.

What house do you have me pegged for? What about bea? Just curious.

And no, I'm not accusing bea again, I'm just wondering.

Golden - Who are you looking at tomorrow? Luke?

RIP Floyd

S~V~S wrote:Can we lynch FZ now

MacDougall wrote:Matt trust me when I say you mistook that post.

That's usually how I roll.

If I did read that wrong (at least you see where I'm coming from, though), then apologies Golden. That was pretty much the only thing holding me back on Floyd.

FZ. wrote:
Matt F wrote:Can we stop saying SVS is getting personal and angry? That seems anti-fun to me. On that note, if we are to believe Elohcin, then SVS is good in my eyes.

I'm not voting Floyd today. If he's the last Harkonnen and gets lynched as such and I look like a moron, oh well nothing new. I think FZ is the obvious choice and as well she should be.

The only thing giving me pause is how hard Golden is defending her.

Why hasn't Harkonnen killed Sorsha yet? That's weird. :/

I dunno who to vote for.
Matt, if it makes you feel better, it stopped being fun for me long ago. And how would you call it if someone kept ignoring your questions and posts?

I really don't care any more. I'm voting for Floyd, but feel free to lynch me next day if we were wrong about him.

NOOOOOOOO don't stop having fun. That's not what I meant! Here, have a beer!

And honestly, I haven't done much more then you this game FZ. Again, I latched onto Sorsha's case on MM and was forced to vote for sig, and I voted bea instead of Turnip Head.

So yeah, we're in the same boat pretty much as far as bad votes. Haha

But yeah I think you're bad :P

Golden wrote:For me, it's the same. Is it just because of how the lynches go down, or do you disagree with the stuff I've said about thread content? Do you want to contribute more to it?

As I said before, I think you laid out a good case on Floyd. But again, considering Mac's weird statement (and no I will not elaborate, it has to do with interlinking game shit, but feel free to ISO Mac), I just don't think Floyd is bad.

Again, though, we shall see.

Golden wrote:
Matt F wrote:Sorry, got caught up in TH thread for a sec

Golden - I really don't want to see Floyd lynched. But at this point, it looks like he will so we'll see what happens.

And yes, you should always consider civ tunnely Matt F
What odds would you put on Floyd coming back civ?

I don't know about "civvie", but I think it's unlikely he is Harkonnen. We shall see, though, it looks like he's gettin' lynched today.

Sorry, got caught up in TH thread for a sec

Golden - I really don't want to see Floyd lynched. But at this point, it looks like he will so we'll see what happens.

And yes, you should always consider civ tunnely Matt F

Golden - I am not trying to "set up" an FZ lynch. I've been quite vocal on her for days now. Don't twist it.

Answer me here and now, do you trust Elohcin when she says all the forced voters are civvie? Since I'm civvie, and because of your and Mac's alignment claims earlier in the game, I'm inclined to believe her.

Golden wrote:@Matt - your behaviour today has been... shall we say, I can only term it as VERY defensive of floyd.

But you haven't provided any context as to why I should trust this read. And you have ignored my points on FZ entirely.

What points? "Oh breakthrough, definitely not bad". M'kay.

As for defending Floyd, yeah I guess I am. I don't think he's bad.

Golden wrote:
Matt F wrote:I voted FZ. I don't think Floyd is bad and the only way he isn't lynched at this point is if the remaining voters go to FZ.
I would strongly resist listening to Matt. Don't vote FZ.

Further, if floyd is the last Harkonnen and the game does not end, I suggest lynching Matt tomorrow.

I would not suggest what Golden is suggesting.

I voted FZ. I don't think Floyd is bad and the only way he isn't lynched at this point is if the remaining voters go to FZ.

Can we stop saying SVS is getting personal and angry? That seems anti-fun to me. On that note, if we are to believe Elohcin, then SVS is good in my eyes.

I'm not voting Floyd today. If he's the last Harkonnen and gets lynched as such and I look like a moron, oh well nothing new. I think FZ is the obvious choice and as well she should be.

The only thing giving me pause is how hard Golden is defending her.

Why hasn't Harkonnen killed Sorsha yet? That's weird. :/

I dunno who to vote for.

TheFloyd73 wrote:BTW, Matt, do you believe my stating that I was stuck in a "dammit, little time, show do I vote for?" situation.

Considering Mac's bewildering statement about you, I think you're good, or at the very least, not Harkonnen. I won't be voting for you today.

Elohcin, if I were to vote right now, it would be for FZ. However, Golden is giving me pause on that front.

Um I don't think I was criticizing you, Golden.

Anyway, I was thinking about taking up the herculean task of ISOing MM, sig, and TH, and cross reference who they spoke with, who they suspected, who they said was good, and who they didn't mention at all. I might start that in a sec.

Oops. Turnip Head being on the poll is a mistake, right?

Also, it looks like Luke has been removed from the poll today.

Golden wrote:Well, Matt. Put aside FZ. Who would you vote for, Floyd or Luke?

Floyd, I guess. But I don't really like either. I do think your case is well thought out, though.

Golden wrote:I have no answer to that question. On any given day I'm going to lynch the person I think is most likely to be Harkonnen. If on one day I think it is FZ, she will be my vote. I still haven't done her iso yet today, so there is more to come yet.

But tell me - do you think it likely that literally all four of the baddie team pile on to floyd, who in this scenario has to be civ, to try to save MM? Doesn't that seem immensely stupid, to you?

As I said in the case against Turnip, "being stupid" seems to be the new sly move.

As for saving MM, what's the difference between 3 of them trying to save MM and 4 of them trying to save MM? If we know three of them did, what's to say the team didn't decide to go all in because, as you pointed out, "that would be soooooo stupid so there's no way that could've happened."

I dunno.

Elohcin - If you had to pick one player still in the game who you think would try to kill you, who would that player be?

Linki - No, Golden, that's not what my question amounts to. In fact, that question was directed to everyone at first, but since you were in the thread, I decided to ask you directly, as well.

Golden wrote:@Matt I'm focussed on finding the last Harkonnen. If you think that has to be FZ, then vote your way. The more I read, the more convinced I am that it is unlikely to be FZ. For me, I think it is more likely to be either luke or floyd.

Interestingly, of the three candidates, Luke is the only one zebra called scum in gth reads. TH had a scum read on both floyd and luke, but not FZ. FZ had that odd 'indy' read on TH.

I think it's quite possible that it's FZ, but I'm not convinced yet. I'm just curious, though, how many civilians would have to be lynched before you started looking at FZ again, if at all?

MacDougall wrote:Floyd as civ would be a new thing. He has played the same lurky odd game in all three games.

Lol. Are you saying Floyd has been bad in the other two games he's played?

Anyway, let's assume we don't lynch FZ today. How many civilians need to be lynched before we go back to her and say "Oh hey that's right, you attempted to save all the bad guys" ? One, two, three? More?

FZ. wrote:Bea comes off looking bad from the Sig lynch. She was the last one to place her vote, and like I said, if Floyd came out civ and Sig was saved from a tie, it wouldn't make anyone look too bad, because everyone who voted for Floyd, could be seen as trying to save Sig who didn't really look bad to anyone.

>snip<

SVS, can you please explain why you think Bea is a civ?

I'm not SVS obviously, but I've personally changed my mind on bea. Knowing that her pizza/football storm was a work thing, not a play thing, puts a dent into my case on her. I believe we should look elsewhere.

RIP Zebra.

Hmmmm

Don't mind me, Golden, I'm just bein' goofy.

Who are your top three suspects?

Did one of ya all block me? I hope that's the case. If I die, please build a statue in remembrance of me, Golden.

It's quiet.

MacDougall wrote:
FZ. wrote:
MacDougall wrote:So like. FZ is getting lynched tomorrow then?
Yes please. This is officially my worst game ever E_V_E_R
In light of what went down with Turnip Head this reads like a concession.

You think they both went all in to defend MM and sig? I can see it.

bea wrote:I won't blame you but I do admit my content knowledge is lacking like lots. Mostly I remember spice being important and Sting looked GREAT in that gold speedo.

I admit that the idea of being tested was what steared me away from the Gom choice...though there are more of them, so by deduction should be more desirable....

To SVS, Sorsha, or anyone else...

Is bea accustomed to talking about her own role as Mafia? Serious question.

Good job town. 3 down. 1 to go.

RIH Turnip.

bea, luke, Mac, Banana, and SVS

For real?

Linki - Lol @ bea

FZ. wrote:
Matt F wrote:Btw FZ my post doesn't reflect on you. I'm not accusing you two of being teamies because of what Turnip said (although I do think you two could be teamies). I'm just baffled why someone wouldn't try to defend, say it would be best to remove them from the game, but then deny the same exact thing be done to you, who has also voted poorly.

Also, to be fair. I latched onto Sorsha's "case" on MM without even considering him before, and I was forced to vote sig, so I may have had just a bad a voting record as the two of you had unforeseen circumstances hadn't arisen.

I just can't believe Turnip's not even trying to defend himself! If you're town, dude, that will not be cool.
Yeah, I get it. I'm quite baffled by the fact he's so sure I'm a townie.
For what it's worth, I would try to defend myself harder as a baddie, so I actually do get where he's coming from if he's not bad.

I would be throwing multiple tantrums, fighting my way to survival. Either way.

Night FZ

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