The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:47 pm i thought her tone was relaxed and helpful, and i was pinged by the fact she disappeared when mech talk questions were over.

her contributions apart from her marmot read are fine. i have problems understanding how she reached her conclusions on marmot though, especially when some post contradicted an active sr. so wwwwweeeeeeeeehhhhh

I spent probably 18 hours yesterday asleep cause of not feeling well

I didn't really care to try to post about stuff when the responses I get are needless aggression premised I'm misunderstanding what I said

I'll maybe contribute more tomorrow but ah well

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:20 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:07 pm your reads are meh and you feel different to your usual town game

how many town games have you played with marmot to make that assertion tbh?

this started out as game is messy cos marmot is posting wifom things, gets asked about it says she isn't actively scum reading but answering the question, to what feels like actively scum reading?

I said the post in question wasn't related to my read on marmot

and I've played enough with him

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:05 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pm

The thread is too messy?

when I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad back

guillo was doing his thing lol

marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful

etc

I have 100 posts, and you're scumreading me for deliberate wifom?

no

read the question asked to me to understand my answer

I would prefer if you explain it to me like I'm 5.

someone asked me why I said the thread was messy and I wasn't too enthusiastic about participating in it

it's not about my read on you

You did state that you wouldn't mind yeeting me today. I presume that means you have some amount of scumread on me, and I'm trying to figure out what it is. Can you explain it?

your reads are meh and you feel different to your usual town game

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am Did I miss something, esooa is playing this game?

I'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much

it's just messy

The thread is too messy?

when I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad back

guillo was doing his thing lol

marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful

etc

I have 100 posts, and you're scumreading me for deliberate wifom?

no

read the question asked to me to understand my answer

I would prefer if you explain it to me like I'm 5.

someone asked me why I said the thread was messy and I wasn't too enthusiastic about participating in it

it's not about my read on you

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am Did I miss something, esooa is playing this game?

I'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much

it's just messy

The thread is too messy?

when I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad back

guillo was doing his thing lol

marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful

etc

I have 100 posts, and you're scumreading me for deliberate wifom?

no

read the question asked to me to understand my answer

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:43 pm Fetch, shock, tap blood crypt for Thoughtseize.

Bolas revealed scum.

Jack revealed scum.

Hk town.

LC town.

Falcon town.

Guillotine for some reason mulled to 0 so no data.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:27 pm Voted HK for being a prison player who enjoys pickles and for having a mostly green profile picture.

@Marmot these were the only 2 posts i could decipher from wilgy's iso being "game relevant" the rest was in another language i think.

their opening post has 5 reads and 1 null read. is that what made you feel good about wilgy?

Yes, and like I said, it isn't a strong read by any means. I'm open to changing my stance. Why is he not town?

bruh moment post

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:51 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:18 pm falcon is pretty obviously town and he's been getting scum read by people for the worst reasons

What are some of these worst reasons?

mostly people having minor problems with some of his reads when not paying attention to everything else he's doing that is towny

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am Did I miss something, esooa is playing this game?

I'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much

it's just messy

The thread is too messy?

when I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad back

guillo was doing his thing lol

marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful

etc

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am Did I miss something, esooa is playing this game?

I'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much

it's just messy

Got any spicy reads?

spiciest is prolly town leaning Ted

lc town read

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:13 pm Finally caught up. I have determined that Made is scum

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kyle also incredibly wolfy for having over 100 posts and I don't remember a single one.

Why are we voting Ted?

the Kyle point here is legitimate but I don't know if it's really AI for Kyle

dunya I have as town for her post about understanding how people town read guillo in spider verse

feels like she came to this thought by actually trying to read guillo

ted I don't really care about the "slip" thing. I disagree with that point but there's a few fine ones

marmot feels off and I wouldn't mind lynching him

falcon is pretty obviously town and he's been getting scum read by people for the worst reasons

I'm honestly not even gonna bother trying to read guillo

urist is towny

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am Did I miss something, esooa is playing this game?

I'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much

it's just messy

We're not lynching Falcon

I've done nothing but self appoint my self the rules understander and I'm being reasonably town read. Good enough for me

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 am dunia is also town. This game is getting easy.

Who else needs solving?

I don't recall seeing marmot usually be this confident. Is this scummy for him?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:03 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

it's because guillotinas previous play style was not healthy and he's trying to change that. Easiest way to change it is to try to filter thoughts through images. That's what I think it probably is

what do you mean? where did he say that?

discord a week or two ago

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:44 pm Well, Nicol Bolas is pretty much a god, right? Or something more powerful, really... he played with the Amonkhet gods like chess pieces, I think.

Exactly. All my reads are God reads

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

it's because guillotinas previous play style was not healthy and he's trying to change that. Easiest way to change it is to try to filter thoughts through images. That's what I think it probably is

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:53 pm is there really a mtg character who's last name is bolas

Yes. It's me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:31 pmhenlo friends

Hello Ted

guillo is probably town

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:20 pm Is it just me or is Bolesooa super duper wordy?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:06 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:57 pm hello I'm making this post for recommendations on how to role play this

good bye now

You could talk like this, for starters.

I picture Nicol Bolas as articulate, cruel, and condescending.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:56 pm Game on y'all. I'm town and I'm starting a town core. Whoever is town is welcome. No scum allowed.

I will join the towncore.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:48 am dunia, jack, esooa, kyle, falcon, longcon all seem town

Can you explain falcon and myself?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:37 am I don't think it would hurt to share which colour you need.

Urist makes a valid point that colors are related to what your power is, though.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:15 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:04 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:09 am distrustful of bolesooa and ajanitina atm

@hollowkatt

care to explain this post from earlier?

yeah, the amount of times you were talking about your mana needs gave me the willies. guillotina I dunno, I have a hard time reading reaction images and some of the reactions didn't seem to fit some of the posts.

Like ok, all of us have mana abilities (I assume) so yeah, mana and mana management are going to be things this game, plus wolves have an ability to nuke someone based on the amount of mana they gain during a day phase, so! someone who's openly talking about mana needs either has no fear (which is possible) OR they're a wolf and know they aren't getting nuked (also possible)

I have an ability which as explained can literally not be used without me being given a specific kind of mana

do you expect me to just do nothing with my ability or land this game?

Because that doesn't seem very useful to me.

So I decided to ask about how we will figure out things like Mana distribution among town

This post really doesn't sit well with me because it's lacking so many things. HK doesn't seem to consider the usefulness in giving some amount of coordination to town, HK doesn't see the usefulness in me giving information to town that I believe helps us inform our decisions, HK doesn't look at my posts and see I never asked for Mana and have been saying we shouldn't do that in thread

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:09 am distrustful of bolesooa and ajanitina atm

@hollowkatt

care to explain this post from earlier?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:01 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:59 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:53 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:29 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:53 am I’m still trying to figure the rules out. Are we supposed to tap the marmot?

Apparently there's a lot of people who can't understand the rules

I'm just going to appoint myself the official "rules understander"

Come to me for any setup questions

how do lands and energy tapping work?

Anything specific you want to know?

Lands will give a player 1 mana of the specified kind. Giving mana is a day action, and gives the player mana to use at night. The action of who gets the mana will be locked in 12 hours pre-EoD. All mana is lost at the start of each day. Mafia has an artifact which will do 4 damage to a targeted played for every mana they were given from a different player.

and the reason to send someone mana is if you have reason to believe that they need more than they can personally produce?

if i have more than one land card, i can use more than one each night because they are reusable?

everyone has three lands. Lands are activated during the first 36 hours of the day to give Mana to yourself or someone else you target. The person you give Mana to will get it and be able to use it that night. The Mana will go away at the start of the day

on the first line, do you see the symbol with an arrow in the grey circle?

That means part of the cost to using it is tapping the card

once a card is tapped, you can not tap it again, until it's untapped

all cards are untapped at the start of the day

So, even if you have enough Mana, you can not use the card multiple times a night, because you can not tap it multiple times a night

however, if tapping it is not part of the cost, you can use it as many times as you have the Mana for it

if something is tapped, it can be used once a night

if something isn't tapped on use, you can use it how ever many times you want

you're not told when you lose life

Wilgy is going to be the day 1 chop 95% of the time

it's already that obvious

his alignment isn't even obvious just that he's going to be chopped

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:19 am we are still catching scum this game right/?

yes

I agree with players saying what colors they need but not more

Poison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am if anyone tells me how to deal with the set up within 200 words, I'll lock them town and send chocolates and flowers to their home and workplace. for a week.

give yourself your Mana if you can use it

solved

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:04 am oh and... colorless energy works only for things that use colorless energy, or is it more of a wildcard

colorless can be used for generic colorless (the number) and colorless

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:22 am so for example let's pretend i am *googles* uhhhhh Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, one of the hot vampires from MtG, and i have an ability that uses uh... .fuckin.... the spooky skull energy and whatever the red one is, and a kicker that requires some additional energy

if my lands are spooky skull place and red place, i wouldn't necessarily need to interact with the trading mechanic unless i want to use the kicker

Just call all colors by their color. That's their literal name

Blue
Black
White
Green
Red

Anyways, yes, you would be able to use the normal effect, but would need more mana to spend it on the additional effect of the kicker, if you wanted the kickers effect

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:13 am ok so the flowchart:

early day: tap that, send mana?
night: get mana, use artifacts if applicable
repeat?

early day = the first 36 hours of a 48 hour day phase

Night is correct.

Are the houses above the bears head supposed to mean the post is towny?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:06 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:04 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:04 am is there any reason to ever not tap a land?

No, and if you do not send in an action for you land, the land will automatically be tapped and give you it's mana.

wait it looks to me like lands are automatically untapped?

At the start of each day phase, everything is untapped. Tapping is activating land. You can use each land once a day phase, like if it were a normal ability. Untapping, then, is just terminology to say you are then able to activate the land again.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:04 am is there any reason to ever not tap a land?

No, and if you do not send in an action for you land, the land will automatically be tapped and give you it's mana.

Also, tapping will not destroy anything, unless specified otherwise in the card text.

"and the reason to send someone mana is if you have reason to believe that they need more than they can personally produce?"

Yes, but it should not said in thread you're doing it, because of the mafia artifact.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:58 am OK SO

Purely hypothetically, say i have 2 lands which create the enery

what is a kicker? what does it mean when there is a gray circle with a number inside of it?

what is tapping, does tapping destroy the lands? is energy continually produced?

A kicker is an additional cost which can optionally be paid to give you an additional effect on top of the cards normal effect. The gray circle with a number inside of it indicates ANY kind of mana can be used, and the number is how much mana is required. A gray circle with a tilted square inside means SPECIFICALLY colorless mana. Tapping is basically activating; it has the same meaning of just using the ability.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:53 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:29 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:53 am I’m still trying to figure the rules out. Are we supposed to tap the marmot?

Apparently there's a lot of people who can't understand the rules

I'm just going to appoint myself the official "rules understander"

Come to me for any setup questions

how do lands and energy tapping work?

Anything specific you want to know?

Lands will give a player 1 mana of the specified kind. Giving mana is a day action, and gives the player mana to use at night. The action of who gets the mana will be locked in 12 hours pre-EoD. All mana is lost at the start of each day. Mafia has an artifact which will do 4 damage to a targeted played for every mana they were given from a different player.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:53 am I’m still trying to figure the rules out. Are we supposed to tap the marmot?

Apparently there's a lot of people who can't understand the rules

I'm just going to appoint myself the official "rules understander"

Come to me for any setup questions

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:38 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:36 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:31 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:21 pm I'm going to be upfront with this because I have a role which will never be useful without claiming:

I have one ability which takes more Mana than I can produce, and it uses nothing but colorless. The fact I will do nothing without being given specific Mana, or sharing Mana to players, is why I want to figure this out

I, for one, would like to know what the ability is, and why I should spend my colorless mana on yours over others.


I'm assuming everyone got at least 1 colorless mana land?

I didn't ask for Mana. I was simply explaining something. I also will likely not be fully claiming at any point this day

Well, maybe you're not directly asking, but you're like that friend when you go out to the bar, talking about how expensive drinks are, and money's tight, but you're having a great time! and it's been so long since we've hung out, and can you believe cover? wow, these drinks are pricey, awe man really? are you sure? thanks man, I love you, I miss you, we need to hang out more often

Then you're reading the intention of my posts incorrectly.

Wouldn't be the first time, tho it's the 1st time with you!


Can you clarify your intention then plz?

I am literally incapable of using my ability without people giving me a reasonably specific kind of mana. I don't want to ask for mana from people; assigning people to give mana is bad because of the Mafia artifact mentioned. Because of that, my primary purpose is giving out mana, which I have specifically 3 colorless of. I wanted people to be aware that I both need a specific mana, and give a specific mana. This means, imo, we to some extent need to understand *how* to give out our mana. I want to know that, because I will be giving mana

Which on that note, I want to say:

Everyone who can keep their mana and use it probably should

Everyone should probably say which mana types they can benefit from, unless we think scum has some kind of "targeted removal" which will hurt us for saying our colors. Which I doubt

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:31 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:21 pm I'm going to be upfront with this because I have a role which will never be useful without claiming:

I have one ability which takes more Mana than I can produce, and it uses nothing but colorless. The fact I will do nothing without being given specific Mana, or sharing Mana to players, is why I want to figure this out

I, for one, would like to know what the ability is, and why I should spend my colorless mana on yours over others.


I'm assuming everyone got at least 1 colorless mana land?

I didn't ask for Mana. I was simply explaining something. I also will likely not be fully claiming at any point this day

Well, maybe you're not directly asking, but you're like that friend when you go out to the bar, talking about how expensive drinks are, and money's tight, but you're having a great time! and it's been so long since we've hung out, and can you believe cover? wow, these drinks are pricey, awe man really? are you sure? thanks man, I love you, I miss you, we need to hang out more often

Then you're reading the intention of my posts incorrectly.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:21 pm I'm going to be upfront with this because I have a role which will never be useful without claiming:

I have one ability which takes more Mana than I can produce, and it uses nothing but colorless. The fact I will do nothing without being given specific Mana, or sharing Mana to players, is why I want to figure this out

I, for one, would like to know what the ability is, and why I should spend my colorless mana on yours over others.


I'm assuming everyone got at least 1 colorless mana land?

I didn't ask for Mana. I was simply explaining something. I also will likely not be fully claiming at any point this day