The Syndicate

Wait, I was still doing Cyber kills after Night 12. Of course, killing the whole Cyber Team as immediately as possible isn't so likely, so maybe that's not so bad. I just wanted to put some numbers out there to play with.

Night 10: Civ dies, second Cyber dies
Day 11: Third Cyber dies
Night 11: Two Civvies die
Day 12: Last Cyber dies

11 players left. Still have to kill The Master, two secret roles, and a couple of recruits

Night 12: Civ dies, Master hit #1
Day 13: Master hit #2
Night 13: Two Civvies die
Night 14: Civ dies, Master dies

6 players left, no Cybers, no Master. That's obviously an oversimplified version of things where recruits aren't taken into account. And unless the baddies and Indies are all in cahoots, then some of those Civvie deaths could just be Recruit deaths, or Master hits from the Cybers.

Maybe someone else can take this sweeping "analysis" and solidify some plans, maybe the Cybers do need to kill someone other than good ol' Civvies in order to have a chance. I'd like to think that the various non-Civvie factions don't know for sure who each other are, and will be as likely to kill each other as the Civs.

Bass_The_Clever
Chris
DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epi 2.0
Goatrees
Hedgeowl
Juliets 2.0
Keys11tybillion
Long Con 2.0
MetalMarsh - Lucy Saxon (recruited)
MovingPIctures07 - The Doctor
Ninjablooper
Snow Dog 2.0
SVS
Zeek
Black Rock - Killed N9 by The Master
Boogs Replaced by Turnip Head v 2.0 Night 2 - Lynched Day 9 - Jackie Tyler
Enrique - Lynched Day 5 - Dalek Sec
Epignosis - Lynched Day 2. K9
fingersplints - Killed N3 by the Daleks
Juliets - Lynched Day 1 - River Song
Long Con - Killed N9 by the Cybermen
Made - Killed N4 by Strax
Mister Rearranger - Nightkilled Night 1 by The Master
Rox - Lynched Day 7 - Dalek 2
Sabie - Lynched Day 8 - Cyberman 2
Snow Dog- Lynched Day 3. Mickey Smith
Spacedaisy -Killed N5 by The Master
Turnip Head - Nightkilled Night 1 by Daleks

I count 17 players left alive.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ah, keys, it's good to be back. You don't think I'd leave my homie alone out here with all these insane folk, do ya?

It did seem that way for a bit, yeah. Like I had gotten old, all my friends were dead and I was in a home surrounded by mentally-challenged tall-tale-tellers.

So, I assume that Epig is doing some math on kills and survivals and that's why the Civs are screwed? I haven't been doing the strongest analysis of the game, I've just been trying to get baddies n stuff. So, let's do some in-thread math on things.

How many players are left? How many of them are Civs? How many definite baddies, how many Secrets (two obviously), and figure out how many recruits there needs to be before the Civs cannot win?

Ah, keys, it's good to be back. You don't think I'd leave my homie alone out here with all these insane folk, do ya?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body.
The original Long Con was the Dalek Head
Who randomly spins around like The Exorcist
Whenever someone lies in the thread.

^^^Adjusted. Now it rhymes.

Wow, I'm a poet
And I didn't even have that awareness!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body. The original Long Con was secretly the Dalek Head, who randomly spins around like The Exorcist whenever someone lies in the thread.

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

I do think that there's a lot of assumptions being made, a lot of worst-case-scenario beliefs in play. For instance, there could be limitations to recruitments. Maybe we could think, as a from-the-beginning perspective, about the idea of two recruiters... is that what people believe now? I think, if we worked out those numbers, it might inevitably lead toward a "The Civs are screwed" perspective. Maybe I'm wrong, I just kind of read a bunch of pages pretty fast.

Is it impossible for Bass to be the Master? Bass, why did you survive?

Linki: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Sabie as the Cyber rolechecker.

keys56000000000 wrote:Balls! I gotta ask, is this the first time you've been killed as a couple in a mafia game, LC & BR? RIP guys. RIP.

Yeah, I think that's the first time. It was very special.

Oh man, bea has moved the poll! Night post coming! If I die tonight... I love you alllll!

Epignosis wrote:I believe juliets2 is The Master.

Why do you believe this?

I'm still interested in knowing what was up with that Azure vote. What happened with that?

I voted for Woman Wept, for all the ladies whose hearts I have broken.

keys56000000000 wrote:

bea wrote:

Chris wrote:zeek, aren't you the one who got your panties in a bunch and PMed the Hosts over the me and keys being mean? Funny that you should then post a pic of a pacifier. I like it though... tells me that you might thicken that skin up... The catch is, you've gotta be able to take it too.

Linki

For the record, I don't need pm's form anyone for me to decide that maybe players are being agressive and need to cool off. Even when two players are engaged in some name calling that THEY BOTH ARE OK WITH, (and yes I've seen that happen) it still tends to create a hostile environment for other players not involved in the situation. I, as a player, feel uncomfortable posting in places that feel hostile and I work VERY hard to create a welcoming environment full of fun for ALL my players. (There's a reason I never played on sites like MafiaScum.)

Basically my point is, I ask people to tone it down as a host, if it would have made me feel uncomfortable if I were playing, NOT because someone made me do it.

Now - I have to finish getting ready for work. I wanted to make sure that was CLEARLY understood though before I left the thread again.

I missed this. I don't want to get into any ridiculous drama. Leave me out of it, ok?

Heh, yeah, that was awkward to read, given that I knew he was mistakenly remembering zeek being involved in a situation which he wasn't. I prefer a drama-free environment as well, too many people have said someone is being an idiot or whatever for thinking something, only to find out, wow, it was a baddie deception, not their real thoughts. Then it's like, "Oh... sorry then... "

I see the intensity from some sources, but my own intensity level has been low in this game. I'm just going with the flow of my gut and my head, and trying to stay alive. I'll be shocked as hell if I make it to the end of this game, though.

Chris wrote:LC, how do you feel about my case on Snow Dog?

I don't think he engineered the lynch switch with MP.

Why do you think Amy Pond is still alive?

Also, why do you trust me?

The Master: Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target. This is up to and including kill attempts.

I wonder why The Master chose to use his ability that night? Why that night? Was someone getting close to him? Did he think Strax would probably target him?

If the Day of Sunshine happened, then the host eror where Dana was killed but then unkilled (due to Sunshine) indicates that DFaraday would have survived even without the Sunshine. Don't know if that's relevant, but there it is.

Two baddie kills tonight. I hate odd nights.

Chris wrote:Hosts: Does a lynch switch have to go to someone with votes?

I don't know why you think they would answer this. As far as they are concerned, there is no lynch switch in the game, because it isn't defined anywhere we can see. It's a secret thing, what makes you think they'll divulge something like that?

Frankly, I have found many of your host questions to be a bit outrageous, in that the things you are asking are unknown to you and most of us because that's how the game is, it's part of what keeps things... balanced? Instead of asking in the thread, I suggest that you ask the hosts as many questions as you like in PM. Then you won't have questions getting lost in the shuffle or answered in a way that you didn't intend. And if you find anything out that is relevant, THEN bring it to the thread and ask them. Just my opinion, I think it's bad form for you to try and get the hosts to play the game for you. You think they're going to say "Yup, the lynch switch that we may or may not have included in a secret also states that the victim must have votes! Go ahead and go after Snow Dog or MP, because, thanks to our generous secret reveal, now you know it was probably them!"

Also, the Cyberman Body is not a secret role, it's just not. No way, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Chris wrote:By the way. TH suspects SVS is the recruiter, and 12 hours later, he's dead from some mysterious lynch switch.

How am I supposed to let that go?

If S~V~S is the recruiter, then MP and BR are both recruits. If you want to pursue this, then you need to make that part of your accusation.

Maybe you want to just be accusing S~V~S of being a recruit if you want to have a less baggage attached to it.

RIP TH, feels good to know at least that I really believed you were a Civvie. I actually thought you were Strax, wrong there obviously. If you left subtle hints that you were Jackie following your excellent insanity-inflicting plan, then I also apologize for not taking the time to find them. I have been thinking about doing that research since I got insanified after asking for it, but never got around to it.

I have always felt like, generally, S~V~S is someone under MP's wing, like SpaceDaisy and Dana were, I believe. Stay safe, S~V~S.

Also, changing my vote back to Bass... I was just going along with my boy keys in his pressure plan for DFaraday, but I have to go to work now. Bass, as I said before, is the lynch for me today.

keys, TH was the one to first vocalize the idea that Bass faked doing research on past games. He said it before, and I liked it, and he said it again, and I was like, "Oh yeah, I should say I agree!"

I think DFaraday is sketchy too, so I'll put my vote there as well.

keys, I think she wants you to explain more why you think DF is bad... and something about a cocaine deal gone wrong with Freckles.

Also, it's worth mentioning that I also thought the Bass claim that he looked into past games and compared their playstyles to be not believable. Like, he had time to do that kind of research across multiple games for two different players, yet he still has only 50 posts in this game. BS alert, most definitely.

Okay Chris, I would consider doing it if you said pretty please.... but I don't think many people would, so I don't see this going anywhere.

Chris wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'd want to know why.

I have a theory that the recruiter can't vote for anyone that they've recruited. And possibly that anyone they've recruited can't vote for anyone on their team.

It's slim, but I think I see it in the votes...

Sounds crazy to me, lay it out if you like, but I am not on board with that theory.

I'd want to know why.

Sounds unusual, but he'd resurrect anyways, so I might be willing to do that.

If he were on the poll.

Well, I voted for Bass because all my reading tells me that's who will be lynched today, and I support that. Sorry, Mr. Bass!

Hedgeowl wrote:It feels like you are essentially proving I am not on the recruited team, which again doesn't make any sense to me.

This is turning absolutely brilliant.

It makes too much sense to me for a recruit to "prove" his recruiter couldn't possibly have recruited him.

I don't want to touch this one with a ten-foot Sonic Screwdriver.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Chris wrote:So Bass.

You think Hedgie gave the player she recruited, the vote that got him lynched?

Only if Hedgie is not civvie aligned. That would be a baddie move IF she is the recruiter.

I don't understand why even a baddie Hedge would kill her own ally.

Chris wrote:LINKI: Whoa, does that mean that BR's NK attempt may not have been blocked?

The hosts wrote that post knowing she was blocked, and forgetting to maintain absolute textual neutrality. Despite the claim that there is no extra info to be had in posts, I know from experience that it's very easy to "slip up" and write a little too much in the post. I have no proof at all that this happened, and I will continue to insist that it happened until the game is over. It's just too obvious - they even made sure to write that Black Rock "had no idea" that it had happened.

Also, I agree with Chris, we DESERVE something to decode for the last two secret roles. Let it be done.

S~V~S wrote:

Chris wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?

well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

Only one of the two roles you claim has a 50%. I thought you were claiming the one that didn't.

He's saying that either he's Sarah JAne with a 50%, or he's Captain Jack who didn't get another protection until after Night 8 was done.

Chris wrote:and what I mean by that, is he should not have revealed that information because it was based on a previous role he had.

I don't think it's a big deal at all. The role is dead, we all know ( ) he was it. What should we have done, tried to guess it and prod Snowy for small clues?

zeek wrote:Because Snowy 1.0 was lynched and his role was Mickey

Heh... I was suspicious for nothing... and mildly annoyed for nothing. I forgot Snowy 1.0 was Mickey, and I thought he was smugly "claiming" the role now with a fantastic sudden reveal, prompted inexplicably by you.

So that was fun.

zeek wrote:

Chris wrote:HOSTS: Can you check Mickey Smith's reveals? Some thing aren't lining up, and some of the letters feel like they should be revealed.

Snowy might be able to help us with that one.

Why did you know that?

juliets wrote:Long verjuice Red King it possible that Chris Seemer good killing some of interlocutor theories theogony not good?

Sure, it's possible, but I don't have any better theories right now, and we have to lynch somebody. I have to be satisfied right now with NOT lynching someone I trust... all others are fair game to me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, you think every single one of Chris's suspects is suspicious?

Yes... but it's more like, I can't see any reason why they're particularly Civvie, and I don't have anyone that I am sure is a baddie, so I'm willing to follow along with Chris' very sure suspicions because I trust Chris is a Civvie.

zeek wrote:

Long Con wrote:Murderous rage, that's perfect. Nice work, I am sure that's right.

Don't think its out of place with nightkills not included?

No, I think it fits just fine. If they're dead, they can't telepathically change it.

Hosts, here: If you are targeted by a baddie, there is a fifty percent chance of you entering a murderous rage and redirecting their night action back onto them. This does not include nightkills.

Murderous rage, that's perfect. Nice work, I am sure that's right.

Chris wrote:I saw that LC.


So, The Doctor is unkillable? For real? How is that even remotely balanced and fair?

Let me get this straight...

The Doctor can have:

1. All votes he makes count as double
2. All votes against him count as half
3. "Day of Sunshine"
4. Is unkillable

LOL!

Wow.


LINKI @ LC: I think he's going to imply he invoked the power of "Day of Sunshine"....

The Doctor isn't unkillable. He was already killed once.

Long Con wrote:If you are targeted by a baddie, there is a fifty percent chance of you entering a ----e---- [different? missing 'e'?] name and redirecting their night action back onto them. This does not include nightkills.

I posted this for The Ood a long time ago, and they're still not revealed. I guess that means that "different" isn't the right word there.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, what do you think is the best direction for today's lynch?

I dunno... lynch someone bad? I'm still mostly on Team Chris, until it's proven that he's not right. He's done a lot of leg work, and his suspects are suspicious to me.

Do you know why Dana survived last night?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, Chris! That looks logical to me.

And zeek, exactly.

The Doctor... wants to be a ginger?

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, I see you haven't finished the decoding for The Doctor. I think I have it. I'll post it here in a second, let me know if you think it's solid.

Hmmm... I see you guys haven't solved Jack Harkness yet.

He it is, let me know what you think.

Captain Jack Harkness: A time traveler and former con man from the 51st century. Unlike The Doctor, Jack is more a man of action, and prefers a direct, albeit sometimes blunt, solution to problems. Eventually becomes the leader of Torchwood, a British organization dedicated to protection the Earth from alien invasion. Given his immortality, he is extremely difficult to kill. Sometimes. *Secrets* If he survives to the end of Night 4, he gains one automatic kill protection. If he survives to the end of Night 8, he gains another, etc.

I have already solved it, and deliberately held on to it until after Night 8. I also referenced it in a post I made after night was done, in a subtle way.

Snow Dog wrote:haha...I get why MP changed his avatar now.

I don't... did he just colour-negative his old one? Is it a regeneration thing, like a new actor for The Doctor?

Chris... it's been obvious that MP is The Doctor since, like, before you started making big cases.