The Syndicate

Both DFaraday and Nijuu seem to have had enough money to survive landing on a red hotel, provided neither of them have bid and won for anything substantial.

DisgruntledPorcupine, however, landed on Luxury Tax, so he didn't make any money by passing GO. At a base $1000, paying $1050 should have killed him. Granted, he probably made some cash from people landing on his property, but if he made any bids that he won, then it becomes suspicious. We'll have to look into that.

So three people landed on red and paid over $1000 out of their own pockets. Supposedly.

The reds made at least $3200 that turn.

None of the people who landed on a red property died. Which of them didn't die because they are red?

Bye Llama.

An argument toward why TH could be good would be fine to hear. Or a reiteration if it already got put forth.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The reason I asked is because I don't remember you issuing an opinion on me, that's all. It seems posting less was a major reason for your zeek suspicion so that's why I thought of it. Also, I don't know zeek is civvie, so you could be right about him for all I know, but I've had good feelings about him all game, and when he has posted he has seemed genuine to me. And LC may denounce my reasons, but I talked with him BTS A LOT last game, and I feel I've gotten to know his playstyle pretty decently (but not intimately, I'll admit, since I've still only played two games with him), and he mentioned work ramping up towards the end of the DW game too.

But zeek, I quote:

zeek wrote:Regarding my play change. Part of it is lack of time and part of it is the buzz of my first game out of retirement has worn off...

He changed the way he play, but MP did not even acknowledge it. Maybe the claim he can recognize the zeek playtone could have been made to give a ground for mildly defending zeek... I think it not too believable.

Turnip Head wrote:Did some quick research...

Looking at specific comments LC has made, plus his bidding patterns, and my own nightly searches, I can systematically eliminate LC from being a member of every color group except light blue or red. But to do so I would have to out my own color alignment, which is against the rules.

If I'm lynched, I'll lay out that evidence in my final moments of life. But I think we need to lynch LC today.

Hilarity. I'd love to hear more about it when you get a chance.

LoRab wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Lorab must have won the original bidding for Electric Company. It's odd, then, that she didn't step in and say something when Boogs and I were calling each other liars over this matter... I'm worried she's a railroad who was relishing the mayhem.

Nope. I figured one of the 2 of you got it and was watching to see what happened.

Which leads me to believe you're lying.

Especially since you accuse me of specifically being railroad--and not WW. Is that because you are WW and therefore know I'm not? But still want to make the accusation to get attention off yourself?

I think you just earned my vote.

Good point, Lorab!

S~V~S wrote:In seriousness, though, unless you are playing a lulz game and rubbing our faces in it, I don't see how you are doing LC any favors through this faux association act, unlless it is sarcasm (or faux sarcasm)

I am a victim of Llama, nothing more. I didn't want any of it.

Adamant? I mentioned it once.

I haven't decided who I'm voting yet. I do care who will be lynched. I don't want it to be me, you are right on the money there, TH.

I don't really get the notion that voting a low-talker will be happening today, although I do think it likely that WW could be one of them.

Your TH thing, worth looking at. It would not faze me if he were a baddie, in part due to the theory that I put forth about him on Day One.

Maybe the RR can NK a few of the lower-participating people, to the benefit of all.

I can tell a bit of looking at me might be happening, and I want to reaffirm: I am not one of the red group. I am not a baddie of any type. I have found one teammate. Not Llama.

The red group and the baddie folk are the threat here. I am not who you need to be lynching if the Civvie team will have a chance. We need to plug the flow of money that the red group have been enjoying and we need to end NK folk.

Don't lynch me only for winning a prize. That didn't change, don't play that way, I implore you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, now you look even more desperate, trying to get any attention off of you whatsoever. I do not KNOW zeek is a civvie. I just don't think his playstyle seems baddie at all, and I interacted with him A LOT BTS in Doctor Who.

I've said I think TH is a civvie just as often if not more than zeek, does that mean TH is my partner too?

This is not a civvie LC.

LOL, "even more" desperate. Because I was looking so desperate before. Is this part of your case now? Or are you shoehorning it in as a convenience?

These people have played with you enough, MP, to see that you're the one "not acting like your Civvie self". Now you're falling back on that good ol' chestnut "zeek's playstyle in X previous game". Good thing you let us know that you think TH is Civvie too, so that you defending zeek doesn't seem weird.

Let's lynch MovingPictues07, because zeek is clearly his partner. And - get this - I'm not one of the reds, so that makes it more likely that MP and zeek ARE the reds.

If you're really not interested in lynching baddies anymore, then you need to go after the reds, because they are going to have literally thousands and thousands of dollars very soon. They will be unstoppable because they will buy every property up for grabs, every prize, and more than likely are already making private offers of cash for loose properties.

I don't know what they're trying to pull with the house sale thing, but maybe it's something like this: sell the houses every day after the night post, and use that money to win any stuff they want, and then buy whatever houses they can reasonably afford before the next night is up.

So first of all, don't buy the houses. Not that anyone would, I can't see a situation where someone would buy those houses instead of going to the bank.

@boo: can players sell houses back to the bank? If so, what does the bank pay for used houses?

Also, when someone upgrades from 4 houses to a hotel, do the houses go back on the market?

I think going after a non-participatory kind of player could be the way to go. I doubt that the nightkill got avoided intentionally, I think it happened due to negligence.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:All right, MM. Ha ha, I already did it wrong. You got me. You won't get me again.

Am I allowed to use the smiley you made?

I'd agree that you've earned the right.

All right, MM. Ha ha, I already did it wrong. You got me. You won't get me again.

boo wrote:9 houses are also up for auction. They start at $150 each. The auction for them ends at the same time the auction for the powers does (10 minutes before the end of the lynch). Unlike buying them normally, you do not have to buy and use these ones right away.

The reds are selling their houses? Why? Are they in financial trouble? How? This makes no sense. No one on the first half of the board is going to buy houses at that rate when their own houses cost $50 and $100 respectively. Also, they just made $1500 in the last two movements!! They sure as hell don't need money. Who is going to buy a single house from them? I don't see it, unless the greens or blues in expensive-town have come together and see this random opportunity for cheap housing.

Boo, can you please explain Captain Planet differently? I think it links two LMS groups, but the details are not clear to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:$120 on St. James
$120 on Pennsylvania

You're too late, Llama got both for $100.

Bidding ended at 10PM

Indeed it did, congrats on the properties!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:$120 on St. James
$120 on Pennsylvania

You're too late, Llama got both for $100.

Epig may well be a Railroad. I'd hardly say he is "hoping and praying" that he gets cred for lynching you, since he is the one who says cred doesn't exist. I certainly haven't given out any Civvie cred to anyone who has helped to get the baddies we've already lynched.

If Epig is a Railroad who is trying his hardest to kill a Utility, then I see no reason to do anything but let him.

I will also vote for Boogs.

I sense that juliets is reacting a bit overdefensively, given that Epignosis wasn't ever accusing her of being an LMS.

juliets wrote:I am not an LMS, I'm still a civ. Where on earth did you get the idea I was LMS Epi?

I think he's saying that to point out that the things Boogs is saying are sketchy from his point of view.

Reading some of the keen detective work tonight... just thought I'd do a friendly PSA: Don't disregard the sparkling gems of information that fall from Long Con's mouth!

Here's a couple of posts from last Friday.

Long Con wrote:I was looking at the Pastebin to confirm juliets' observations, and I just wanted to say "HA HA Waterworks, you only made 4x the dice roll instead of 10x! Burn in hell, Electric Company!"

Long Con wrote:I also believe I recall one of the rules in bidding is that you have to beat the last person's bid by what you bid, possible $200 bonus notwithstanding. So Turnip Head would have had to bid $11 in order to beat Lorab's $205.

Boogs wrote:

Long Con wrote:Mmm, that is right. And no, I'm not a railroad. And I'm not Epig's partner. We haven't found our third member yet.

Maybe it's me, maybe I'm the third kitty partner! I wonder if anyone has searched me too.. Hmm..

Have you searched me yet? I haven't searched you.

Mmm, that is right. And no, I'm not a railroad. And I'm not Epig's partner. We haven't found our third member yet.

Boogs wrote:Yay no death! Hoping that is from them missing their PMs!
So seeing Epignosis landed on red which clearly has houses, it's safe now I think to pretty much say he and LC are Red properties since he didn't die from paying so much after bidding and winning so much stuff already. Problem is, we are coming around Go and have to touch that in the next 1-3 nights. We have to get the baddies basically perfect now lol.
So Turnip Head? Thoughts?

Your theory is sound except for arbitrarily adding me into it. I'm not Epig's partner.

$65 on Park Place

$50 on Park Place

Boogs wrote:Bad owl, bad bad owl. I need to go opposite of everything I think for the rest of the game lol.
25 on each property.
75 on vote

What is vote?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:SVS, the death of your being in a former life has been avenged.

Now, let's avenge Black Rock 1.0!

I've got a better idea. Let's figure out who built those houses.

I would like that more than you can believe.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:SVS, the death of your being in a former life has been avenged.

Now, let's avenge Black Rock 1.0!

Also OH SNAP RAILROADS! Not to good, eh?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:That's some high quality trollin, Hedgeowl.

I like to consider it helping out my team in their objective.

Linki doh

I thought you might be going for bankrupting yourself before the lynch was up, to hide your identity. That would have been ballsy-cool as well.

I love Jake and Amir.

12:06 bids count:

Risky Investment: $100 Hedgeowl
5 votes 1: $250 Hedgeowl (outbid her own $200 bid from earlier since you can only bid on one '5 votes')
5 votes 2: $300 keys
5 votes 3: $210 Long Con
Lock in: $200 Hedgeowl
Deflect: $200 Boogs
Epigfier: $50 Metalmarsh
Mutually Assured Destruction: $100 Hedgeowl
Rob: $700 fingersplints

Wow, Splintsy. Wow.

Turnip Head wrote:*shakes fist at Long Con*

Heh heh, and Hedge's last bid only outbid herself, I think... for the 5 votes.

Here's my results for the 12:05 bid ending time, where 12:06 and later don't count. Let me know if anyone has different results.

Risky Investment: $100 Hedgeowl
5 votes 1: $250 Hedgeowl (outbid her own $200 bid from earlier since you can only bid on one '5 votes')
5 votes 2: $210 keys
5 votes 3: $160 Long Con
Lock in: $200 Hedgeowl
Deflect: $200 Boogs
Epigfier: $50 Metalmarsh
Mutually Assured Destruction: $100 Hedgeowl
Rob: $610 fingersplints

Ok crap I'll do it again.

bidding is over, 12:06 bids do not count, right?

210 vot5es

170 votes

160 votes

Hedgeowl is trying to drain some money before she goes. Respectable.

keys56000000000 wrote:What are the odds that one of them is Long Con?

If you want to be right, try a different theory.

It's more unlikely that you would just happen to have a partner with a Protect, and they just happened to choose to use it on you on that night. There have been no Auto-Protects up for grabs, unless anyone can prove me wrong.

Quiet in here today.

I might as well hit up Hedgeowl with a vote. I think there was some good momentum going with some other cases, but you can't ignore the glaring fact that the only possible way that Hedgeowl could have survived is that the Railroads just hit one of their own. Assuming she's not a Utility, which I don't think she is. If she's just appealing to some secret that only she knows as the reason she survived, without being able to quote any rules or ask any host questions to clarify, then she's gotta be bad.

Oops, ok, got it. I missed that post as the linked-to post, and went to the one below it.

I remember that now. Nothing much to say about that, I was replying in jest.

How is that an implication that I searched you on Night 1?

Blooper said no one can be thought of as trustworthy that early in the game, and so I brought up the two people who expressed trust in you as a point of interest. Maybe you can explain from your point of view how that translates into "I searched Epig night 1", but I don't get your angle here.

You responded by saying even Railroads can't vouch for each other due to lack of BTSC, but again, how is that "calling me out for implying I searched you"?

What I read in those posts and what you are saying happened in them are not even remotely the same thing.

Epignosis wrote:First, I am not in BTSC with Long Con. He implied that he searched me Night 1, and I called him out on that.

When did all this happen? I don't remember implying that, or being called out on it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:EBWoP~ and you are not the only person, or even the first, to warn of this danger. Either we all agreed to not search (which would be like herding cats, getting all of us to agree on ANYTHING) or this would become an issue eventually. But we still have to get rid of the baddies even if teams ARE forming.

Sooo, since we pretty much agreed to search, and groups have formed and houses are cropping up, we should just let them have our money?

Just build some houses of your own, then you can be part of the cool club. Come on, guys, search MM, he's feeling left out!

We are on a new day now, and we have multiple leads. Whichever direction people decide to go will be very telling.

Linki: So how do you justify your trust in him now, LC?

What makes you think I trust Epig?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:my eye is definitely back on TH, and I haven't forgotten my early theory about him trusting Epig.

^^^This one in particular. For someone who once suspected Epi and now trusts him, why does he continue to push the coin on someone who did trust Epi?

If you have to ask this, then you never truly understood why I suspected you and TH early on. Or you are being deliberately obtuse about it.

Also, I'm not on Epig's team. Those aren't my houses, the reds ain't my colour group.