The Syndicate

timmer wrote:With 8 players left, I'd guess we've got:

2 Old Rogues
1 or 2 Detectives
2 or 3 New Rogues
2 or 3 Indies

And all signs point to 1 Detective, because the reasonable belief is that Barry and Piper are dead.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Surely you cannot be the Pied Piper, playing it extremely low-key for the long con of a faked death.

Linki: Vote timmer please.

I can't vote Timmer. He's not on the poll.

Look, I'll level with you guys. I just need to survive to win. I'm trying to figure out how many New Rogues are left, because I need to either kill them, or join them. It's that simple. What are the numbers here?

Surely you cannot be the Pied Piper, playing it extremely low-key for the long con of a faked death.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Question for both of you.

If you were to vote right now, who would you vote for?

At this very second, I would vote for Sophie. We'll see what happens in the subsequent seconds.

Linki: That early, huh? Interesting. That's really early to have such a strong and long-lasting opinion.

timmer wrote:

Long Con wrote:But WHY are you after the New Rogues? You could win with them, couldn't you?

LC, you think MM is not a New Rogue? Are you thinking indy? I won't lynch an indy if I can avoid it, so if you tell me that you think MM's indy, it'll help me weigh things...

Also, where's BR at?

She ain't on the poll, that's for sure.

I'm considering that MM might be the real Wally West, and Sophie is a New Rogue.

timmer wrote:I haven't been the most subtle player in this game, but right now, I will lay down some cards. FZ is my boy girl. Sophie's alright, too. Same with Long Con, I think. BR is an enigma to me, but I've got no reason to doubt her right now. It comes down to either Devin, MM or Bass, for me. One of them, at a minimum, is a New Rogue, and in particular, one of them cannot be NK'd, so we NEED to lynch them as Wally won't be able to touch them. Bass, I think, has been wrong about some things, but that doesn't make him a NR. Devin subbed in, and has bounced around a bit, but I can't place how I feel, yet. MM has been very active, and also has touched on many things.

I have a good list of people I trust or semi-trust. But the list of lynch targets, of possible New Rogues, is too big, still. I need to work some things out.

As long as we're laying cards down, I'll tell you right now BR is cool.

I'm just trying to suss you out, MM. You seem to bounce around a lot. I'm trying to figure out if you are the threat, or just a bystander.

But WHY are you after the New Rogues? You could win with them, couldn't you?

Timmer's revelation clearly indicates that FZ is not lying about being the Weather Wizard.

Yeah, those. You're not an Old Rogue... why are you so hell-bent on being their crutch?

Why would you vote for me? Do you need me dead to win?

What do you think of the latest Timmer revelations?

Timmer and BR are off the poll.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yay! No Death.

Hooray!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Question for the host: If the New Rogue's killer ever dies, does the kill pass on to another teammate, or does the kill die with him/her?

Neither...Both?

The kill is passed down if the killer is killed, but remains with the killer if the killer is imprisoned.

Unless TH's kill passed on to rabbit, somebody has it.

Maybe Rabbit was Plunder, and got imprisoned.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I bet we see a kill tonight.

Who do you think will do the killing?

FZ. wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Day 10 - Mistakes Were Made...

Detective Singh stepped back and took a look at the rap sheets and wanted posters that littered his desk. He was rifling through them frantically just moments ago.

"Something just doesn't gel with our latest suspect's alibi...", he thought to himself. If The Trickster only gets out to see his psychiatrist a couple of times a week, how is he pulling his signature pranks off all week long?

Singh zeroed in on another document sitting on his desk. An unopened envelope was wedged between two posters. He tore the envelope open and took a look at the contents. Inside was a letter from Iron Heights penitentiary, giving The Trickster nightly time off on good behavior.

The kid was telling the truth. Singh had made a huge, tiny mistake...


S~V~S has been lynched. She was The Trickster, and I am ticked.

It is now Night 10. You have 24 hours to PM me.

Crap, I missed this. I thought we were waiting 24 hours and we didn't know if she was lynched or not. Sorry SVS I know you were really frustrated this game, and I wish you had more fun.


I have a feeling I'll be gone when the night ends

I doubt we'll see a kill tonight.

Are we allowed to talk about locations? Like could I say "there's some sweet stuff at the River Lock!", for example? (I've never actually been to the River Lock)

I've found two graves, and I looked back to see what exactly the PM said about them. There was no specific indication of who they were, but there was an item on each one that may have been indicative of their role. One I took, the other I was afraid to take because it was unknown unless I took it, and I didn't want to risk it.

Linki: Timmer seemed to know, as though he had spied on players during odd nights, that S~V~S used a power on an odd night - something the other Old Rogues couldn't do. Through investigation of this accusation, we found that S~V~S had indeed been using her power on odd nights, which she wasn't supposed to be able to do. So Timmer was totally right. How could Timmer have known that if he had not been spying on S~V~S on an odd night?

a) Timmer was using an item to emulate the Mirror Master's spy power, and used it on the right person to eventually expose them as a fraud (actually a role-not-reader)
b) Timmer is Zoom, and his power works weirdly. It's a kind of vague power anyway, so
c) Timmer is making stuff up and hit the jackpot in a crazy, roundabout way?

If we can just get the host to verify if Captain Cold gained a kill from Golden Glider's lynch... then we can move forward on this. Until then... well, it's nighttime. We can chill a little.

Oh! Captain Cold could have gained a kill from an item... or someone could have been emulating Cold? Or BF was Plunder, whose role doesn't reflect the fact that he tricks lynches like Mirror Master?

I don't know if that last one applies.

Mirror Master.

What do you think of these claims, MM? You feel like claiming a role today?

Timmer's point is valid, so we'll see what MR says for that one. The fact that no one is calling you out on it doesn't hold much weight, because you claimed only after it was perfectly clear that no one else was claiming Old Rogue, and Timmer and S~V~S both roleclaimed their roles as non Weather Wizard roles. So, it was pretty safe to claim WW. You probably could have said you were Heat Wave as well with little argument, but that comes with complications that are Roxy-related.

Why should we just believe you, claiming responsibility for Weather Wizard's actions? Everyone knows the Weather Wizard ended the night early, but that doesn't mean that YOU did it.

I'm on Team Timmer. He has some pretty solid anecdotal evidence for his claim... his claim led to the revelation of the whole S~V~S "every night" blunder. What has FZ done to prove herself? What does she have besides people's trust? Why do you trust FZ?

Any bets on whether there will be a nightkill tonight? Wally killed rabbit last night, so he most likely won't be killing tonight. Grodd's kill seems to have been eliminated with The Top's death. Plunder seems pretty dead to me.

timmer wrote:In light of MR's recent posts, I feel like there is a very good chance that SVS is telling the truth, is an Old Rogue, specifically the trickster, had accidentally been sending in night actions every night instead of every even night, and the host didn't correct her. So from my perspective, the only other logical choice for the lynch would be FZ. But I cannot move my vote unless I've got enough people who would move with me to actually lynch FZ, as in my view, if SVS is telling the truth, FZ is a lying lyarson, but if I move my vote to FZ and others don't, then it would seem that an Old Rogue will definitely die this day.

Is there anyone willing to move their vote to FZ? If day isn't extended, we've got only a few hours.

Actually, the poll just ended.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now we've got that extra 24 hours.

I don't know if we do or not. Timmer liked the idea, and S~V~S said not to.

Ok, I have to go to work now, I'll be back an hour or more before the lynch is up, and I'll finalize my vote then. Here's where I stand on the Old Rogue Liar front.

FZ: Claims Old Rogue, but I don't think she has anything to back it up. Except for people trusting her. Several people are taking it as truth that FZ is telling the truth, but I don't know why specifically.

Timmer & S~V~S: His Mirror Master claims are compelling, particularly his questions of S~V~S. It seems that she hasn't said that he's lying about her using a power on a night when an Old Rogue shouldn't be using a power, instead she says that she has been using it every night and MR just hasn't told her that it's not going through on the wrong nights.

But then how did Timmer track anything if it wasn't going through?

My vote is staying on S~V~S unless more comes out while I'm at work, because her story doesn't add up in that way.

Mister Rearranger wrote:9 votes in with a half an hour to go?

Hmmmm. :/

As an aside, an incorrect PM slipped by my watch on Night 1. I was informed on Night 2. In response, I figured the best solution would be to correct Murmur's role accordingly. Please make note of the change.

Also, a letter has been chosen. More on that come nightfall.

I remembered this from MR earlier in the game. Murmur's role had been for even nights, I believe, and someone was silenced Night 1. MR caught it and fixed the role to fit. Seems strange that he would catch one and not catch S~V~S for the same thing.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Here I am focusing on Timmer's association with Aces. I think llama could be our missing Zoom. Apparently he saved Aces on Day 3, I think, and then tried to back track saying that he may have made a mistake and that Aces could be the baddie that they were after. Thoughts?

Well, Llama was Barry Allen, according to his lynch post. But your post got me to thinking some craaaaazy thoughts. Maybe when the lightning struck and we got put into this alternate universe, Barry and Zoom switched roles! No, I dunno. Not really worth speculating about, especially since Llama is dead, but this alternate universe thing is like a splinter in my mind.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I feel that timmer is more likely to be lying.

I also get the feeling that LC is on timmer's side, and trying to push the lynch towards SVS instead.

That is not true, I want to put my vote on the one that I think is lying. They're both telling good stories, and FZ seems legit too. Of course, there's nothing that keeps a baddie from lying and having it sound legit, so it's tough.

You want to pair me with Timmer, but I have no allegiance or preference toward him. I voted for him in the you-him lynch, he's one of my bigger suspicions. If I think he's lying by the end of the Day, I'll change my vote over to him.

FZ. wrote:Reading what you both say, we're back to the three claiming old rogue. The options are Trickster, WW, and Mirror. Who seems least trust worthy to you, and I hope you don't say me

My vote is still on S~V~S pending the conclusion of the debate between her and Timmer. S~V~S has now said she tried to use her power every night so Timmer's supposed viewing of her ... well, I don't think this dance between then is done, so we'll see.

Linki: I would like MR to be around more to ask such questions. I have a few questions for him. Did any of you get a movement result from the last movement? I am still waiting for some info about where I ended up.

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

We all assumed that because there was no message, but what if they decided not to post to make the baddies think he's dead? I remember llama objecting strongly to lynching MM

I have my doubts about that... Pied Piper's combination of information and thread-messaging would be used to help win the game, not hidden away to trick the baddies. I don't see the benefit of tricking them into thinking he's dead.

Maybe after llama was resurrected, they thought it would be better to make it look like detectives were dead because of Zoom, or professor Zoom (whoever's role could get them killed easily). I just don't get why llama came in when we were thinking about lynching MM and strongly objected, and even told MM that he should have gotten by without him, but he's here now and he won't let us lynch him. Something like that

linki: Will read both in a minute

If Zoom is still out there, then he surely believes (as we all do) that Sophie is Wally West. Even if he assumed the Piper is dead, me must have targeted Sophie at some point just in case. Then the Piper would have died despite hiding out. Right?

Zoom (????????) – He thinks he can make all the other heroes and villains “better”. Each odd night he will Protect one player. That player will be randomly rewarded or penalized as well. If Zoom protects Wally, one of Wally’s teammates will randomly die.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

Let's see if I can prove he is not dead.

The last message we received from the Pied Piper was on Day 4, meaning the earliest he could have been killed was Night 3.

Dharmahelper was killed on Night 3, but timmer says he was an Indy Rogue based on his gravestone, so he probably isn't the one. He also voted for llama on Day 1.

Bullzeye was killed Night 4, though llama suspected him, so it's not him.

Spacedaisy was killed Night 6, but based on her Day 1 vote, I think she is not the one. llama won the lynch 8-7, and her vote was placed elsewhere.

rabbit was killed Night 9 by Wally, so he is surely not Wally's teammate.

All other deaths came before the Piper's last message or came via the lynch, so we know their roles.

I've come across two dead bodies in my travels, and there was nothing to indicate their role on either of them. I would say that DharmaHelper was probably Pied Piper then, and Timmer is not correct about his assumption.

FZ. wrote:I don't know how many old rogues are out there, but if CC could only kill when an old rogue was NK, it means one of the 3 of us (SVS, Timmer and I) are lying. I know it's not me. Is there any chance we got this wrong and there are more than 2 rogues? This is crucial

Even if Golden Glider was really Mirror Master... the numbers are still the same. Four Old Rogues out of six are dead.

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

We all assumed that because there was no message, but what if they decided not to post to make the baddies think he's dead? I remember llama objecting strongly to lynching MM

I have my doubts about that... Pied Piper's combination of information and thread-messaging would be used to help win the game, not hidden away to trick the baddies. I don't see the benefit of tricking them into thinking he's dead.

Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

MM, I think Sophie is Wally West.

Oh, and I don't know if we have confirmed that Weather Wizard is dead, but there seems to be some buzz about that role, so maybe someone knows.

timmer wrote:So am I right that, assuming that Roxy was Capt. Cold, that the only possible Old Rogues left alive are Heat Wave, Mirror Master and The Trickster?

The way it seems, Captain Roxy is dead, Golden Glider was lynched, and CC killed twice, meaning two more Old Rogues died. So only two are possibly alive.

Ok, so let me get this straight - MM is out of the running for Old Rogue, so he'd like us to believe he's either Wally West or an Indy Rogue. And I don't think he's Wally West, nor has he tried to hint that he is so. Also, I think he agrees on the most likely Wally West out there. So, MM as Indy, but FZ has stepped up to claim Old Rogue? I think that's the vibe I'm getting here.

And this is all supposing that Mirror Master is alive, something we have to take on faith since we just don't know.

Ok, S~V~S, I'll choose you out of the three Old Rogue contenders for my current vote, since you asked nicely. Final vote placement pending Timmer's response. Unless he's silenced again.

As interesting as this is getting, I have to get outside and mow the lawn. I'll be back in a bit.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MM wrote:Sure he could be the Magic Mirror, but I think that's not the case.

MM, I'm sorry, but I don't believe that you weren't trying to imply that you are Mirror Master. I don't buy the "I was just winking back at you for no reason" story, to be frank, that's bullshit.

2 Old Rogues if Mirror Master is alive, 1 Old Rogue if he's dead.

I am not the Mirror Master, and I never tried to imply it.

And yes I was winking back. Maybe there was a reason, but if there was I have forgotten it. I don't understand why you winked in the first place.

I winked because "He wasn't Plunder... or was he?" fits with a wink. But since Plunder (presumably) only fools rolecheckers and not lynches, as has been discussed, that wasn't as likely as I had thought.

Why Heat Wave? How pegged?

MM wrote:Sure he could be the Magic Mirror, but I think that's not the case.

MM, I'm sorry, but I don't believe that you weren't trying to imply that you are Mirror Master. I don't buy the "I was just winking back at you for no reason" story, to be frank, that's bullshit.

2 Old Rogues if Mirror Master is alive, 1 Old Rogue if he's dead.

FZ. wrote:But it says he can kill when an old rogue is night killed, not when lynched. I feel like an idiot, but I don't get what you're saying

Oh, snap, you're right! Forget my last post (end line), MM is wrong and you are right.

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

Are we sure about this? And if so, are you sure there's only one left?


linki: Thanks for the list. Going to look at it

I'm not sure of some of it. I am sure that there's three or four Old Rogues dead, and if Mirror Master were dead then we wouldn't know it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm not that interested in the silencing, it's too WIFOMy as someone said. Let's just all be happy that we didn't have to listen to Timmer all Day.

Damn, we were hoping that Soneji was Plunder! Too bad he wasn't... or was he?

Pretty sure he wasn't. We lynched him. We didn't check him.

Sure he could be the Magic Mirror, but I think that's not the case.

Linki: So you were just winking back at me, and didn't mean to imply anything by it. Why do you believe Timmer and S~V~S are Old Rogues?

And MM is right, Golden Glider's lynch triggered one of CC's kills, that makes sense.

Captain Boomerang – Most heroes and villains alike consider him to be a bit unpredictable. He can throw a boomerang every night. The boomerang has a fifty percent chance to cancel the target’s next lynch vote. If it doesn’t, then Captain Boomerang’s lynch vote will be cancelled instead.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

I have claimed nothing, Long Con.

It really felt like you were trying to claim Mirror Master recently. You even winked when you said it.

Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of FZ, timmer? She's on my shortlist of Top suspects. We haven't heard from her in quite a while but no one's been looking at her.

That's what I found for TH suspects on Day 8... and he also echoes Timmer's suspicion of Devin after Timmer brought it up as well.

Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because TH kill Girder on Night 7 (or tried to anyway) by the looks of things...

Perhaps TH tried to get Girder lynched for cred... I will have a look at his posts after Night 7.

For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.