The Syndicate

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:47 pmTOWN:

WWA
Boq
Porscha
Lime Coke
Princess Abigail

LIGHT TOWN:

Bereft
lilypetal
S~V~S
EnderWiggin

LIGHT WOLF:

DrWigly
robyn
JOH2005
NANOOK

1 WOLF:

Marmot
Long Con (one between him and Marmot and yes this is a wagon read)

then the only one i missed is pyxxy which right now Idk.

Cape90's Legacy reads:
"If you are reading this I am dead. I am town, I have given out a coffee bean from a prize.
TOWN:
Boquise
WWA
LimeCoke
Princess Abigail
probs Porscha
probs lilypetal

I wanna say one of Long Con or Marmot are scum but not both for voting Bereft N1. If so probs spews Bereft town.
Sort the rest, I am least confident in ALL of my townreads on S~V~S"

So that's Cape's last post and legacy. Wolves knew what the legacy would look like, as it's pretty much identical to what he said in the thread. So, couple of options.

One, the wolves feared his reads and killed him because of it. That places Long Con, Marmot, DrWigly, robyn, JOH2005, and NANOOK under suspicion. Mostly a weak list, because Marmot, Wilgy, and Jack are low-posters. NANOOK is a higher poster, but still in the low half. Unless all the wolves are in that list, I don't believe this is why he was killed. No one is scared to lose the slanker on their wolf team; you bus the slanker for cred. Robyn is the standout name there, I would call her Cape's one true suspicion. Kinda hiding in blah-town in Cape's readslist though, I hardly think she felt all that threatened... a point bolstered by the fact that she didn't even make his Legacy.

Second option is that this kill is intended to send us off in the wrong direction: we are supposed to take to heart that Cape's reads were good, and start eliminating players based on that. I believe this option is what actually happened. If it were just a legacy, who knows, but Cape's reads were Right Out There, easy for wolves to say "that's our guy, we want those reads certified by Cape's death."

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:01 pm Bleh, through my ISO skims I keep seeing Long Con just as general consensus through both living and dead players.

So why was Long Con not highly voted yesterday where Porscha was?

Probably because there's no actual reason to suspect me beyond my usual playstyle. Things have changed around here during my hiatus, apparently - when I left, players were getting more and more analytical, applying different logical methods and analysis with great success. Now, looks like it's mostly just "oh this player feels wolfy, I vote them" kind of stuff. Are Alison and JJJ both out of the game right now?

I fucked that up i'm on my phone and didn't erase everything

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:19 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:46 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:52 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:00 am
Night 1 Vote
Seanzie/pyxxy (3 votes) - pyxxy, EnderWiggin, Princess Abigail
Bereft (2 votes) - Long Con, Marmot
Long Con (1 votes) - Cape90, Porscha
DrWilgy (1 vote) - S~V~S
S~V~S (1 vote) - DrWilgy
lilypetal (1 vote) - robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1 vote) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Did not vote (5 votes) - JackofHearts2005, Boquise, WindwardAway, Lime Coke, Bereft, Lilypetal

@Long Con do you know why you only had one vote in the night poll when two people voted for you? I'm not shading you here; I think maybe I was paranoid of you, you having fooled me the last two games we played.
No, I assume it's a typo? @Justplayingitcool

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:58 am Also, the Spooky Announcement appears to be about you, Long Con. "Cerberus Con" in the village of Lostpedia, lol.
Indeed!

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:18 am I'm booooooored

Someone kill long con
Sure, let's do that. No one cares if you're bored, chief.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:27 am
Long Con wrote: LOL my defense against what?
Your defense against why you shouldn't be a wagon today
I'm curious because you've definitely seen more than one player say they'd be willing to vote you
Ok... I'm town.

Heyyyy and Scotty killed Lily, good job, Scot!

Looks like the "tenants" are not the bad guys, and the gov't agents are.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:52 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:00 am
Night 1 Vote
Seanzie/pyxxy (3 votes) - pyxxy, EnderWiggin, Princess Abigail
Bereft (2 votes) - Long Con, Marmot
Long Con (1 votes) - Cape90, Porscha
DrWilgy (1 vote) - S~V~S
S~V~S (1 vote) - DrWilgy
lilypetal (1 vote) - robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1 vote) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Did not vote (5 votes) - JackofHearts2005, Boquise, WindwardAway, Lime Coke, Bereft, Lilypetal

@Long Con do you know why you only had one vote in the night poll when two people voted for you? I'm not shading you here; I think maybe I was paranoid of you, you having fooled me the last two games we played.

No, I assume it's a typo? @Justplayingitcool

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:58 am Also, the Spooky Announcement appears to be about you, Long Con. "Cerberus Con" in the village of Lostpedia, lol.

Indeed!

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:18 am I'm booooooored

Someone kill long con

Sure, let's do that. No one cares if you're bored, chief.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:27 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:09 am Also also also

WWA I think asked about why I don't think vote manip is scum sided or whatever

My reason is that I think the vote manip is the semi bastard mechanic and that it is designed to encourage all players to vote and vote in the correct and valid way that Rondo has set up.

I think it's ***likely*** randed and Scotty just got hella unlikely if it's not why would wolfs throw a bunch of useless votes on vanity wagons. I suppose you could say it's too play wifom games "these people got votes so they are town or scum" but... meh just doesn't add up to me
I also considered that, actually. I even talked about it, but I didn't consider that it could be randomized. The only reason why I didn't think it was related to the 5 of us who didn't vote is because there were 6 ghost votes and not 5, but maybe there's always one ghost vote and then an additional one for each nonvoter.

Also, did we have to vote at night? I assumed it was optional

Anyway, I decided I'm not voting Robyn today. I'm considering Long Con as a contender for "not particularly towny" but I want to hear his defense. Also have other people I'd consider, but I'll talk about them later.

LOL my defense against what?

Sounds juicy.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:32 pm Long Con on page 18 is all wolfy posts though tbh

That's just my natural charm.

The mech thing for Porscha means that she was saved from being eliminated by the vote manipulation.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:46 pm...and I saw the whole "vote when you think we've won" thingy. screwy stuff, very Rondo

I need to reread the first post I think.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:34 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:24 pm also long con, I do understand it can be a gth reads list and not deep or meaningful, I just feel you have the capacity to be such an inquiring mind and so little inquiring occurred, surely you can understand my confusion and worry
It's tough playing with a lot of people I don't know. There's a lot going on that I can't really follow, like the "omg you are locktown never rescind" and it's on the second page of the game. That kind of stuff, my mind kind of shuts out. I think robyn's analysis of the list was like that. It's so egregiously unlike how I think or play that I just so "sure, ok" and move on.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:25 pm lmao did y'all really D1 scotty again
Sure did! But there was a three-vote manipulation (someone moved all inactive non-voters' votes?), and Porscha was, by apparent votes, was "supposed" to go.
hm... rolling over and giving up instead of poking harder... I suppose I am willing to boil it down to choice of play. i'm still not really townreading your general presence in thread though, I didn't get much reason to townread you after that point either. where is your head at right now?

I dunno. I'll try to get my thoughts together tomorrow with some rereads. "Rolling over and giving up" is obviously not how I see it. I don't see how I did either of those things. My impression of Robyn is that her opinions of players can change with the breeze. For all I know, she'll agree with the whole list before long... way harder to advance suspicions without flips though.

@pyxxy if you do truly read everything, you'll know... but be aware that Daytime elimination votes are NOT changeable, AND this is a flipless game for day and night eliminations.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:24 pm also long con, I do understand it can be a gth reads list and not deep or meaningful, I just feel you have the capacity to be such an inquiring mind and so little inquiring occurred, surely you can understand my confusion and worry

It's tough playing with a lot of people I don't know. There's a lot going on that I can't really follow, like the "omg you are locktown never rescind" and it's on the second page of the game. That kind of stuff, my mind kind of shuts out. I think robyn's analysis of the list was like that. It's so egregiously unlike how I think or play that I just so "sure, ok" and move on.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:25 pm lmao did y'all really D1 scotty again

Sure did! But there was a three-vote manipulation (someone moved all inactive non-voters' votes?), and Porscha was, by apparent votes, was "supposed" to go.

Right!

Welcome.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:34 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:52 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:59 pm

ah well this alone probably spews lily town lol
How so?
I have long con thought that you are a wolf
Pfft, you just decided that because you were red on my list.

also my brain kinda feels like its melting from last night but can you remind me if you responded to robyn's defense of your read list? you guys have had some weird interactions, and by weird, ones I read as possibly w/w
The one where she said it's so bad and backward that it's lacking TMI? No, I don't believe I responded to that.
well i'm glad you remembered it, is below, if you would like to comment on it

since you tease that I am omgus'ing you based on the reads list, i'm sure you have a comment about robyn's alignment based on their interesting defense of said reads list
Robyn disagrees with my reads list a great deal. She's allowed to. Maybe she's right.

If you're so sure I have some relevant comment about it, why don't you just cut to the chase and tell me what it's supposed to be? I don't know where you're going with this.
lol. I just ... assume... someone who is trying to solve the game... might have more thoughts on the subject than that.

robyn might be right... robyn is allowed to disagree... and allowed to disagree on the entire list... and you prodded it exactly 0%. not a single question or discussion on which reads are "backwards" or why robyn should just "assume" you are town based on the list.

like i'm just saying if it were me... and I bothered to make an unprompted and large reads list early in the game, I'm doing it for a reason... and if someone comes out of the woodworks to defend me as town because my reads are supposedly trash, I'm going to have some questions or feelings or thoughts about it. you appear to have none and are continuously doubling down on having none. doesn't make sense to act this way from a town perspective

Well, I'm not you, and I don't think or play like you. Even as town. Your insistence that it is relevant does affect me though, and I concede that there may be something to get out of it, I'm just not sure what. I'm not married to that list... it was mostly very shallow GTH-ish reads. So I'm not that inclined to pick points of it and nitpick with Robyn about which suspicions are right and which are wrong.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:37 pm Not a fan of this cagey type of play, Porscha.
I certainly dont mean to be cagey, you have all the freedom in the world

LOL that's not what that means. I mean being coy.

Not a fan of this cagey type of play, Porscha.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:46 pm Bah, never mind.
:really: I know you aren't gonna pretend like someone else didn't bring that up already and not call them out on it
Feel free to do so.
I think it's a discernable thing from the flavor rondo has posted and I assumed it to be true based on what someone else said, so my point is that yes, you should not try this line of reasoning with me since I did not come up with it and I know you are keeping up with the thread

Yeah, that's what I meant by "never mind".

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:52 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:03 pm Looked back over some of it. I think lily has good wolf potential, and I support a Scotty shot tonight.
ah well this alone probably spews lily town lol
How so?
I have long con thought that you are a wolf
Pfft, you just decided that because you were red on my list.

also my brain kinda feels like its melting from last night but can you remind me if you responded to robyn's defense of your read list? you guys have had some weird interactions, and by weird, ones I read as possibly w/w
The one where she said it's so bad and backward that it's lacking TMI? No, I don't believe I responded to that.
well i'm glad you remembered it, is below, if you would like to comment on it

since you tease that I am omgus'ing you based on the reads list, i'm sure you have a comment about robyn's alignment based on their interesting defense of said reads list

Robyn disagrees with my reads list a great deal.

She's allowed to. Maybe she's right.

If you're so sure I have some relevant comment about it, why don't you just cut to the chase and tell me what it's supposed to be? I don't know where you're going with this.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:46 pm Bah, never mind.
:really: I know you aren't gonna pretend like someone else didn't bring that up already and not call them out on it

Feel free to do so.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:03 pm Looked back over some of it. I think lily has good wolf potential, and I support a Scotty shot tonight.
ah well this alone probably spews lily town lol
How so?
I have long con thought that you are a wolf

Pfft, you just decided that because you were red on my list.

also my brain kinda feels like its melting from last night but can you remind me if you responded to robyn's defense of your read list? you guys have had some weird interactions, and by weird, ones I read as possibly w/w

The one where she said it's so bad and backward that it's lacking TMI? No, I don't believe I responded to that.

Bah, never mind.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:36 pm its kind of fucked up that rondo made the wolvesthe tenants and the landlords the town. not very comrade of him

What was that scumslip again?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:05 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:03 pm Looked back over some of it. I think lily has good wolf potential, and I support a Scotty shot tonight.
ah well this alone probably spews lily town lol
How so?
Because your post sounded wolfy
Weird, but ok.
Well, "I think lily has good wolf potential" doesn't really say much to me, and backing the idea that Scotty should shoot lily is fine in the context but what exactly in lily's posts make you scumread her? That just felt like a blanket statement to point fingers at her.

And why not? This is flipless anyway, I might as well try to get players I suspect killed. I won't even know if I'm right or wrong.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:03 pm Looked back over some of it. I think lily has good wolf potential, and I support a Scotty shot tonight.
ah well this alone probably spews lily town lol
How so?
Because your post sounded wolfy

Weird, but ok.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:02 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:17 pm (also pls someone tell me what this vote is. I only have a few minutes and otherwise am letting it rand)
No idea, wanna vote together?
Voting with no knowledge of consequences? Count me in!

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

That's what random.org game me.
[VOTE: bereft] aubergine

I hope it's a bonus if you are town! Flipside for wolf!
What the heck, we can vote at night? Lol

It's .... PROBABLY.... not an elimination vote.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:03 pm Looked back over some of it. I think lily has good wolf potential, and I support a Scotty shot tonight.
ah well this alone probably spews lily town lol

How so?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:17 pm (also pls someone tell me what this vote is. I only have a few minutes and otherwise am letting it rand)
No idea, wanna vote together?
Voting with no knowledge of consequences? Count me in!

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

That's what random.org game me.

[VOTE: bereft] aubergine

I hope it's a bonus if you are town!

Flipside for wolf!

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:17 pm (also pls someone tell me what this vote is. I only have a few minutes and otherwise am letting it rand)

No idea, wanna vote together?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:04 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:51 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:48 pm if lily does not improve, i will tell scotty to off her, if she does improve i will tell scotty to let her live. i believe i said this, but i'll say it again more explicitly
to better respond to this and the above porscha post. me and lily have hard disagreed and been t/t before. adapt 6 on mu is a prime example where we were both slinging nonsense. so yes she's in town range, there's nothing i can reasonably read her off. i will advocate to off her. but i'm not gonna call her a wolf necessarily cause i don't have any proof and i don't sr her as i've said before
@Porscha

why is v!robyn so terrified to wolfread me xd

I think your case against robyn is too much of a stretch, and I don't think it comes from a town player. I think it's you, a wolf, trying to make a convincing and realistic sounding case, but it doesn't hit right with me.

Looked back over some of it. I think lily has good wolf potential, and I support a Scotty shot tonight.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:07 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:18 am okay, lily i apologize for being so aggressive towards you. and i’ve thought about this a lot but i’m simply enraged by your play this game. your read on me is wrong and for the wrong reasons. you aren’t making sense to me and everything you’re saying is something that i disagree with. for example you accuse me of going through the motions by probing/being inquisitive towards nooks alignment. i don’t understand this read one bit because i pushed him without making a read on him and i’m going to be curious about the alignments of other players and i don’t understand why you’re criticizing me and calling me wolfy for that, it’s blatantly in bad faith. furthermore had you read the thread in the first place you would understand that two voters who would be online (brad because of bad sleep schedule and ender because he’s from australia) both townread me and would come to vote, because of boq’s vote and nook’s vote there was still a fucking chance porscha would go over instead of nook, which she did. because both of these players townread me and because i ended up getting 2 votes plus myself on nook in the first place spending a considerable amount of effort on who was going to get voted out i can’t fucking see any scenario where i’m the one who is going through the motions. i expect town lily to find me without much difficulty, i don’t expect town lily to misread me and this gamestate so badly. i would very much like to change your worldview because it sucks, i can say that it sucks for demonstrable and quantifiable reasons. such as blatantly misreading events to read me and others. you not being able to find me is very concerning
Might I once again suggest an ai takeaway from this

Apologies if I forgot, but did you give your AI takeaway on it?

Is this AtE? Yeah. I don't know if it's town or wolf frustration though.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:02 pm I accept apology letters when I am proven right btw tbh

Of course, we're not animals.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:46 pm I have seen town vote doubler, that you double your own vote, or remove your own vote. I have yet to see any town vote role that manipulates other players' votes. That plus some non-voters getting random votes, makes me feel pretty sure with my conclusion tbh

Yes, ok, that makes sense. I disagree that it would be just for the lulz by the Wolves, though. It would clearly be specifically to implicate someone in the tvtvt situation.

That you overlooked that, and that you are the one to strongly suggest that 1 of the 3 is a Wolf makes me a little suspicious.

^^ You two just discuss this in scumchat or what? Placating Lily is the plan now?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:39 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:33 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:24 am I just got back from concert, hi
Whomst?
when we were young concert, so I was able to see blink-182, the offspring, rise against, goldfinger, and green day. missed a bunch I'd like to have seen but that's life with multiple stages

WTF you lucky bastard. We had tickets to the Hella Mega Tour with Green Day, Weezer, and Fall Out Boy, but Covid happened and the tour was cancelled.

We saw Weezer since then, and Green Day justannounced a tour with Smashing Pumpkins and Rancid, so we'll definitely be on the floor for that one. Would love to see Blink, never seen them before!

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:14 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:01 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:04 am
Vote Count

Scotty - (6) 3+ Voters: Bereft, ☆Princess Abigail☆, Lilypetal
Porscha - (4) Voters: Boquise, Lime Coke, EnderWiggin,
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - (3) Voters: Marmot, robyn, Long Con
WindwardAway - (2) 1 + Voters: Scotty
robyn - (2) 1+ Voters: Cape90
Lilypetal - (1) Voters: S~V~S
Dr Wilgy - (1) 1 + :Voters:

No one - Game is over we have won - (0)

Invalid - (5) Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Seanzie, Porscha, Windward Away, DrWilgy

I'm confused, so those of us who didn't place votes by eod got assigned to Scotty, me, Robyn, and Wilgy? I assumed it was just on scotty but this is wild. Particularly because that's 6 extra votes but only 5 non-voters. So the vote manipulator is likely not one of the nonvoters (voting was mandatory anyway, so that wouldn't have been a possible mechanic to force someone not to vote).

Also yeah, this answers my question about how many voters there were on Porscha in comparison.

So there are two ways to look at this:
1. Porscha is scum and the scumteam manipulated the votes to ensure her survival.
2. Porscha is town and the scumteam manipulated the votes to trick us into thinking she's scum.

Discuss.
Looks like a scum ability yeah.

Lets also add this into the variable.
"Scum preferred Scotty dying over Nanook".

I think this becomes a thing of occam's razors.
Is there a limit to this ability? An X usage? In that case, if the wagons were t vs t vs t, then theres no point in using it.
There is also no point in using this ability regardless of X usages, if the wagons are t vs t vs t. Why show a card for town so early? It will only make us better at planning things with our votes.

So in a t vs t vs t world, this ability is very unlikely to be used. I only see it happening if it is an automatic thing (but still, votes on Scotty over Nanook is a variable. Perhaps Nanook is regarded as more scummy? Therefore an easier misyeet in the future? Perhaps he'd lead a Porscha wagon tomorrow? True. But if Porscha flipped town here he'd look bad next day anyway, and Scotty is still pushable. Idk, I havent read all posts)

I feel decently okay with eliminating a t vs t vs t world.

With the information we currently have, we are then at
1 of Porscha/Nanook is scum.

It sucks to lose a teammate at D1. It would also instantly clear the voters on Porscha. So scum would need to protect her. It doesnt seem like this ability immediately incriminates anyone else, so it is pretty safe. Get a D1 misyeet, Porscha possibly dying D2 but with a chance to muddy the waters and perhaps either get Nanook or someone else entirely. Town forget easily. The caveat is that Scotty died over Nanook. Perhaps it would look too incriminating to have Nanook die there. It'd look like an obvious save... so if Porscha is town... why not just do that?

If Porscha is town, however, I can see why scum!Nanook would want her alive for another day. It means he can push her tomorrow, he wont have to face as much scrutinity as he'd face D2 if Porscha flipped town today. Scum team gets 2 misyeets in a row and enters D3. This could be important depending on scum's other abilities. If Like I said, Scotty dying over Porscha could indicate that scum wants Nanook to keep pushing Porscha tomorrow. Tho I wonder why scum!Nanook wouldnt just go for his pet tunnel and try to bs his way through D2 instead of getting Scotty.

Should probably read the reads Scotty revealed whilst being alive.

Occam's razors feel atm Porscha scum > Nanook scum.
Feel free to peck holes in my theorycraft tbh

Mostly like Boq's work tonight so far, but I do get a slight feeling that he's a professional wolf that was prepared to steer the situation since before the Day ended. "if the wagons were t vs t vs t, then there's no point in using it." ... and yet Boq comes to the conclusion that one of them is probably scum, which would be EXACTLY the point of 'using it' on a t vs t vs t wagon.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:29 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:26 am I haven't read a single thing Boq has posted because he began posting right now.

Can I tunnel him blindly?
Go for it tbh, lime coke is my favourite flavour after all tbh
You have my permission to die tbh

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:38 am Okay guys here's a fun deal I'm running with.

Since Scooter is dead I'm just going to consider him mafia, and that Lily is spewed town because of him trying to shade her for having no progression when she just started playing the game.

So Lily town and I won't be voting her this game.

You can be in the wolfy list.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:28 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:00 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:04 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:59 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:54 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:37 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:08 am Town:
Porscha
Robyn
Schweppes
WWA
Lily
Ender
Abbi

No particular order this is what I had off the top of my head from what I remember of this game.
I feel special

And I mostly agree with this

My list looks like

Schweppes
Robyn
Lily
Porscha
You
Nook

Maybe other people I'm forgetting
You think all three top wagons were town, yeah?
No I voted Scotty
Yeah but Scotty died despite not even being the top wagon
I'm talking about now, post-Scotty-death. If he were scum then why tf would he die?
Well see I don't buy that the vote manip is inherently wolfy
I have never seen a vote manip like this be a town role. Manipulating other votes is a scum role.

I have seen it plenty of times. I agree with Abi that vote manip is not inherently wolfy.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:04 am Anyone who takes up spacing as typing style will receive a free town read from me tbh

I a m g l a d t o t a k e y o u u p o n t h a t o f f e r .

This is where the votes stand right now. NANOOK is in the lead with 3 votes now.

Spoiler: show

Oh, and that's because I'm going to bed. Good night, I can't believe we will learn nothing from this, and I don't know where that will leave us. Wolves will try to be tricky with the NK.

Ok, I'll [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine and give Scotty a chance to give us some more thread content. I was close to voting Scotty but his great real estate posts held me back. I like playing in a game with that quality of content.

Damn, he's gone to bed though.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:23 am My thing with nook is he is probably one of those players that didn’t make a legacy. I mean, he’s only popped in for a sec. I don’t think we learn *anything* from his yeet

What would be in your legacy? I don't have any secret revelations that I have kept from the thread. I'm having trouble seeing how anyone's legacy could really matter all that much at this point, and it's making me feel like your post is just virtue signaling for town cred.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:27 pm Unvote? Idk if that counted

Is it changeable?

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:07 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:45 pm lc what's ur read on wwa/stance on going nuclear on nook
No alarm bells in WWA's ISO. I thought we were against voting out a low poster like Nook?
who would you chop right now? and have any of your reads changed?

Some of the folks I called wolfy have reacted well. I'd chop Abi though, I don't think she's on the level.

Ah geez, this is going to be a thing no isn't it

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:45 pm lc what's ur read on wwa/stance on going nuclear on nook

No alarm bells in WWA's ISO. I thought we were against voting out a low poster like Nook?

Marmot, Lily, Votes can't be changed, so make sure you mean it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:31 pm Right? “Not only are your reads gonna be wrong, if they happen to be right, your team will ignore them after they murder you cause you won’t flip.”

A fate worthy of filthy fucking landlords.
Dude, this is like Survivor now. There's a sizable clique already formed and it's mostly folks I don't even know. I'm not making it anywhere without being part of a crew. How about you?
Hey we could make a Final 2 together and have them pick between the two LCs with who wins.

While I love this idea, that would require one of us to be a Wolf and that would have to be you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:42 pm Just a little Chicka Chicka 123 humor for you there

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:31 pm Right? “Not only are your reads gonna be wrong, if they happen to be right, your team will ignore them after they murder you cause you won’t flip.”

A fate worthy of filthy fucking landlords.
Dude, this is like Survivor now. There's a sizable clique already formed and it's mostly folks I don't even know. I'm not making it anywhere without being part of a crew. How about you?
i am not and will not exclude you, i will listen to you and pay very close attention to what you have to say and i'll give it genuine consideration. my knock on your readslist doesn't really matter except this post + that both are ++++ town points. like reads sub 500 posts in are nonsense even though i've solved games in less, having anti consensus reads is fairly town indicative, do you agree with the logic?/understand me more?

I understand you.

Scotty
JoH
Marmot
S~V~S
Nanook

Join me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:31 pm Right? “Not only are your reads gonna be wrong, if they happen to be right, your team will ignore them after they murder you cause you won’t flip.”

A fate worthy of filthy fucking landlords.

Dude, this is like Survivor now. There's a sizable clique already formed and it's mostly folks I don't even know. I'm not making it anywhere without being part of a crew. How about you?

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