The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Chris wrote:So I'll ask.

LC, do you know how you survived?

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Did you add new names?

Not for some time, no. Which names did you think were new?

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Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Chris wrote:So I'll ask.

LC, do you know how you survived?

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Not for some time, no. Which names did you think were new?

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Chris wrote:So I'll ask.

LC, do you know how you survived?

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DFaraday wrote:Has anyone solved Clara's already? Because I basically got that one:

as the 'Impossible Girl', she may -n---en-e the timeline of the game and end one night early

"Influence"?

Ok, here's Rory Williams:

Any negative night actions directed at Amy will be absorbed by Rory, up to and including nightkills. However, given Rory's bravery and fortitude, he shrugs off the first nightkill attempt directed at either himself or Amy.

Some assumptions made on s0ome words, but I think this looks pretty good.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
Ah, but your ignoring my post is acceptable though.

Um, you're lazy and get back to work!

Thank you for that... tbh... I finished just in time!

Which post?

Had Roxy been just the last Dalek, this would have been moot for me, but since she was recruited, I'd like you to answer:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 848#p90848

*leans forward with interest*

Ok, here's the other one I have so far, The Doctor. Still not sure about the missing parts, obviously.

If he finds one companion, his vote is permanently doubled. If he finds two companions, any votes against him count as one/half. If he finds three companions, he gains the ability to create a -a- -- --n---ne --- a-- -----e-. No Civvies can be lynched the following day period, and any night a----t--e- --e- -- -a---e- -- the -n-- will not affect Civvies the following night period. Also, given he is a Time Lord, he can regenerate. If he is killed, he will regenerate (come back to life) after the following night period ends.

Ok, here's what I have for The Ood.

If you are targeted by a baddie, there is a fifty percent chance of you entering a ----e---- [different? missing 'e'?] name and redirecting their night action back onto them. This does not include nightkills.

I think this is good for each Civvie to know because maybe someone has targeted someone else and seen it affect a different player... Then that Civvie could say "hey, I trust them, they're the Ood!"

How do you feel about publicizing them, Epig? I feel confident enough that the baddie team probably has enough of it done already, given the amount of time it took to decode what I did.

I don't know if an Indy whose win condition includes killing all Civvies would pass an "I am not a baddie" lie detect, since that's, like, THE definition of a baddie's goal.

Roxy was a really nice two-for-one. Took out the last Dalek, and diminished this Mystery Recruiter's team by one at the same time. Very good lynch! I think we have to assume that this recruiter is a "baddie"... which applies to an Indy who needs the Civvies dead to win. Though I don't know if the distinction would matter to a Lie Detector... Ideally, it's an Indy recruiter who is just a Last Man Standing kind of deal, but it's probably best to assume the worst.

So where's this phantom Insanifier? Is Jackie Tyler finally dead?

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Thanks for the fun while it lasted everyone. rl got in my way the last few days sorry I could not be around.
Good luck to certain player(s)

Good playing with you again, Roxy!

I have The Doctor's role decoded a lot, still missing some parts, but definitely see some juicy stuff there. I also have The Ood decoded, although there's a word in there that, if I'm right, is missing a revealed 'e'.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I want to note that your list includes Bullzeye, who would now be Snow Dog 2.0. Unless I missed something, right?

Ah, thank you. That's why I had no read on him!

MovingPictures07 wrote:If that post doesn't ultimately prove that Chris will read my posts with nefarious intentions regardless of the actual content, I don't know what would.

You said you were going to stop responding to him, and I applauded via raccoon.

What happened?

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, now that I finally have some time to goof off and engage people in discussion for just a bit here before I get back to work :P, what are you currently thinking re: directions to examine for possible suspicion? Or would you rather wait until D8?

Here's the people I think are most likely to be bad:
Bass_The_Clever
Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Gotrees
Ninjablooper
Sabie
SVS

The orange ones have been brought up by others as red flags and I think they're valid. Epig in particular is a tough one to crack, because I believe he'd say the same things as a Civvie as he would as a baddie, right down to the wire.

The pink ones are people I have too little read on, and I think there's Cybermen hiding under the radar.

The rest are people that I am less sure about, and that don't have anyone I trust vouching for them or trusting them specifically.

This was a quick list just to get it out there. I do think that Roxy's insistence that after we lynch her, we should focus on Epignosis and Sabie, is relevant in some way. She said it for a reason, obviously. If she had information or something on the Cyber baddie team, then she would certainly have wanted to get them lynched and gain cred. The only thing is, the Daleks only had a dead-role-checker. BUT she was recruited, and may have had access to some other form of knowledge.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:MP, you suspecting anyone in this game doesn't mean anything..you basically suspected every single player in this game.

I have never suspected Dana, nor do I suspect her now. There are a few others I've repeatedly said I don't think are bad.

I'm convinced you don't read my posts, so I'm done responding to your never-ending suspicion of me.

I'm going to start posting the Civvie role decodes soon, since no one has a problem with it.

I voted breakfast burrito.

Nice!! See ya Roxy, you should not have pretended you were a good girl.

S~V~S wrote:Most of what you have said about Chris made sense to me. You had some good points, and I also did not love the Amy Pond thing. This post fairly summarizes what you said that I agreed with.

I have since unvoted Chris, though, since I am starting to think he may be sincere. He said something I can understand, and I am willing to give him the BOTD at this time.

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

It directly followed what looks like a really waffley, changing, overly verbal explanation of why you survived, which I agree was supicious. Why jump around like that if you're not hiding something? I dunno, but that factor added weight to the idea you were the guy for me, easy enough to go with due to my elevated anger toward you from the Amy Pond Incident.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

That's pretty much where I am with Chris right now. He's still on my radar, and I don't like the roleclaiming and the lynch-begging and the Amy-Pond-endangering and the massive 'no u'ing, but I don't really see how any of that really adds up to being a solid case that he's a baddie. I'm much more suspicious of Roxy for her glib non-LD-statement, plus some of the points about her that have been brought up since that became a thing. *votes Roxy*

S~V~S wrote:I guess my thoughts on Chris have a lot to do with LC~ he feels civ to me, and I think he is a pretty astute civ.

Can you elaborate more on this please? What do I have to do with your thoughts on Chris? Which thoughts of mine do you agree with that lead you to vote for him?

Long Con wrote:With me, Chris cracked my master plan to kill him with my baddie teammates by analyzing my actions from the start of today. His detective mind suddenly came into focus when looking at the things I said and did, and he realized that I was just one cog in the baddie plan to finally end his life, and rid ourselves of this wretched thorn in our side. Because, you know, he was a big enough problem for me and my baddie team that we had to act fast, and openly, and together, to publicly take him out.

Chris wrote:I noticed LC gets condescending when he's a baddie and someone is on him. Almost like he can make anything I say lose all meaning by making fun of anything I say.

That's cool LC. It's a bit of a shit type tactic, but I've got thick skin. So, make fun all you want. I just hope other players see what I see.

I just wanted to come back to this, I don't know how else you would expect me to talk about your case against me. I don't see how anything I said is not what you said. Was your accusation not that I am on the Cyber team with MP and Epig and Dom/Hedge and that we knew who you are and are trying to kill you because of it? So I called it a "master plan to kill you with my baddie teammates", I don't think that is anything but accurate, I wouldn't expect you to have a problem with it.

I basically say the same thing in the next sentence, in different language. And maybe I overextended after the "Because", since that was pure speculation on my part. I don't know the reason you think that I and my Cyber team felt the need to kill you in such a dramatic fashion (early vote/early lynch), but I'm pretty sure you yourself mentioned something about "The Cybermen tried to kill me because I'm getting too close."

So what, exactly, do you have a problem with here? Is it that the case sounds weird coming out of my mouth? Like it's far-fetched and wrong? Spoiler alert: I know that you are wrong, so when I talk about your wrong case, I'm going to probably sound like I think it's wrong! At least I didn't say you did or said something that you didn't do. I didn't misrepresent you at all, which is not the same courtesy you will get from everyone playing here. I know from experience. I am just telling it like it is, no more, no less.

Oh, and if you''d like to update your opinion on what exactly is happening and who the Cyber Head is based on recent revelations from the host and re-examining the role... I noticed that a few parts of your case were based on wrong assumptions about how the extra votes of the Cyber Head work. Specifically, you believed that it was more than a one-time use, evidenced by your belief that I affected the Epig lynch as the Cyber Head, and also planned to affect today's lynch. Also, you believed that the Cyber Head could spread out the votes away from his public vote, but it has been clarified that he cannot. Thirdly, understanding that the one-time-use extra votes only apply to the lynch directly after the night the Body is randomly found is important to consider.

juliets wrote:Chris, why did you vote for yourself? If you're a civ that's not the way to fight back allegations that you are baddie.

This kind of breakdown is just one of the consequences of ignoring the warning of Long Con. Take heed.

I'm not even trying to do that, Chris. What part of what I said was inaccurate about your case? I was trying to be as straight-up as I could. What did I say that wasn't true?

Chris wrote:LC was becoming a suspect of mine beforeally he thinks I no u-ed him.

"Beforeally"? I want to add that word to the insanifier.

With me, Chris cracked my master plan to kill him with my baddie teammates by analyzing my actions from the start of today. His detective mind suddenly came into focus when looking at the things I said and did, and he realized that I was just one cog in the baddie plan to finally end his life, and rid ourselves of this wretched thorn in our side. Because, you know, he was a big enough problem for me and my baddie team that we had to act fast, and openly, and together, to publicly take him out.

So you see, he didn't just suspect me for voting for him.

Linki: Oh, there you go. I was just going of what I remembered about his case where he named the whole Cyber team.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: It feels like a team "no u" just a bit.

Your posting is screaming desperate right now, which I get, but it doesn't make me feel better.

I thought the 'no u' was so blatant that I didn't even mention it.

Well now i just feel like a nub.

Ha ha, no, it still needed to be said. It's more like I was awash in an ocean of sudden 'no u' from Chris... with my focus on the specific things I was saying, I didn't realize it hadn't been said already. It was that potent.

Roxy, you did not address what I thought was the most pertinent point against you: you made a very sketchy LD statement, "I am a good girl". You even referenced back to it, like, "The LD doesn't have to check all those other things, just that one!" As if it's even a useful statement for the Lie Detector to choose.

That's the point that stood out to me as a huge, glaring, bad spot on your record.

And, just because I was not aware, due to not paying attention to Strax's actions.... it appears Strax only kills on even nights. I realize that probably everyone knew this and will be, like, "THANKS, LC, for that pertinent info!" but... well, I only just got it.

And Elohcin survived a Strax kill. That's why she's not a suspect for having survived, it's because she's likely a Civvie because of it. So if Chris is a Civvie, then Strax has one more failsafe Civvie-kill-fail before he becomes dangerous to Civvies.

I wonder which baddie Made was?

All thoughts that I'm late to the party for, I'm sure.

MP: Black Rock survived because her killer was roleblocked.

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I went back through keys' posts to find one that I wanted to respond to (the Civvie secret decoding one), and I found another that I think got lost in the shuffle. I'll just address both in one post for efficiency.

keys56000000000 wrote:If it was indeed a Cyber that manipulated the vote and not Amy, then maybe it follows that Epignosis is a Cyber..

This concept seemed a lot more relevant when I was going on the assumption that the Cyber Head could just manipulate votes every lynch. Since the manipulation only happens ONCE in the game, and that's during the lynch directly after he randomly finds his body, I find it a) very unlikely that the Cybers messed with that lynch at all, and therefore b) unlikely that we can connect Epig to the Cyber team based on that manipulated vote.

keys56000000000 wrote:It's times like this that I wish we'd decode the civvie roles. I know what you're going to say, herrp don't give the mafia civvie info derpp. Here's the thing: the mafia are teams. They will have worked on those secret hangmans more than any individual player can, because they can work together, sharing info. I'm lazy. I have no one to work with. The result is that the mafia teams have probably cracked the secrets already, whilst a bunch of lonely civs such as myself have nothing, working in the dark.

I agree with keys. I just glanced at the Civvie secrets and decoded a lot on a single read-through. The baddies certainly have them all decoded by now.

I don't recall any responses to keys here, but I would like to hear some now. I'll be posting some Civvie role decodes in the thread when I get a chance to do them, so if you have a problem with that, let it be known before that happens and we'll talk about it.

Black Rock wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.

Actually, good girl is not a checkable statement. This type of behaviour is suspect to me. You were all over Epig for his statement, and yet you do the same type and want to be "Look, I'm a civvie. I have been ever so cooperative with a LD statement."

Epignosis wrote:Yes, I'm sure the lie detector would like to spend 8 Nights checking those.

This is a valid statement Roxy.

I know I'm a little late to the press on this one, but I don't understand how Roxy can have a valid argument when her statements suck just as much as Epigs.

That's a good point. My main suspicion of Epig was that he made an intentionally evasive LD statement, one that he claimed was "airtight", but with some simple logic-wiggling, was revealed to be... not-so-airtight. "I'm a good girl" is just as bad. What does that even mean, you wash your dishes after eating all your vegetables? "I'm a Civvie" functions just fine, unless you're trying to hide the fact that you are not actually a Civvie. Seems like Roxy left her dirty plate in the sink and fed the dog her Brussel's Sprouts.

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.

Actually, good girl is not a checkable statement. This type of behaviour is suspect to me. You were all over Epig for his statement, and yet you do the same type and want to be "Look, I'm a civvie. I have been ever so cooperative with a LD statement."

Epignosis wrote:Yes, I'm sure the lie detector would like to spend 8 Nights checking those.

This is a valid statement Roxy.

I know I'm a little late to the press on this one, but I don't understand how Roxy can have a valid argument when her statements suck just as much as Epigs.

BR I can't remember but did you agree with Roxys cSe on Epig? I'm on my phone and screwing up my multiquoted posts so I don't really wanna check for that

BR has gone out to do farm chores, so maybe she'll respond in a little bit.

keys56000000000 wrote:

I think this is all very interesting, Chris. I haven't even accused you of being a baddie or sought your lynch yet.

You voted for him right off the bat. You have others following your weak case.

I explained why I voted for him because he asked. No one is following my "case". I haven't even made a case against him, I have only responded to things he has asked me. I think it's funny.

No one else even cares about the stuff I'm saying. No one but me cares about Chris asking for the lynch results, or freaking out because he had a bad dream that the lynch ended early. I haven't tried to get anyone to vote Chris, and no one has suspected or voted Chris based on things I've said. Go and look. I just did.

Chris wrote:...just because I suspect someone, even if that someone is a civvie, it doesn't mean I'm bad.

Awesome opener for today. What a thought. I'm glad you have such strong convictions. So, in other words, you're letting us know that a "no u" defense is not valid?

I think this is all very interesting, Chris. I haven't even accused you of being a baddie or sought your lynch yet.

That's very good to know, Mr Host, thank you.

Also, I just realized that the Cyber Head only gets extra votes in the next lynch. So to catch the Cyber Head altering the MetalMarsh lynch, they would have had to randomly have found the Body in the night immediately preceding the lynch. Lordy.

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Oh yeah, and BR clearly survived because her killer was roleblocked. I have no idea about Elohcin. Maybe she's the Cyber Controller. And MP I believe is Civvie, for the most part.

CyberHead Role Description wrote:If you manage to find your body (a randomly determined event) at some point in the game, you gain an extra amount of votes for the next lynch determined by how many members of your team are still alive.

Ok, so maybe the extra votes can go where the Cyber Head didn't publicly vote. So I'm no more exonerated from being the Head than anyone else, and looking at the MM voters doesn't mean nearly as much. Why are you so sure the Cyber Head has even found its body? It's randomly determined. I picture something like one player in the game has the Body, and the Head searches one per night for it. Or some variation on that sort of 'Searchy' role.

Wait, so if the Cyber Head doesn't have to vote where the extra votes are, then Chris please explain to me how the Civvies can have an advantage from revealing the lynch info? How do we catch the baddie in that "hope we got lucky devil's advocate" thing keys posted?

Chris wrote:The argument isn't going to change. I'm not going to allow those guys to ramp me up to the point where I sound maniacal and desperate.

If anyone has any other questions for me, ask away.

If not, and you guy do lynch me, just remember who I named, and how this shit went down.

I'm not ramping anything up. You asked me to explain why it was a mistake to reveal the lynch info, and so I explained as completely as possible why. I took it from the pont of the revealed info to a possible way it could negatively affect the game, because you seemed to be having trouble understanding exactly why it was the wrong move.

It's not "trumped up"... it's just that, if I didn't explain an eventuality where it would result in a baddie advantage, then I don't think I would have done a complete job of explaining the situation to you. Just trying to help.

keys56000000000 wrote:Just playing devil's advocate here; It seems just as likely that Chris opened the door to a situaton where the civvies win where they might have lost. Things are not hopeless just yet. We just have to be lucky.

Maybe, but we require a lot more luck to benefit. I guess we should just put the MM voters from that lynch into a list and hope they're the Cyber Head and not Amy Pond, if we even want to have a chance at a positive outcome from Chris' poorly-thought-out request.

Whereas the Cybers have either no advantage, indicating that they altered the vote and know it, or they have some advantage, indicating they did not alter the vote and now have Amy Pond narrowed down.

I'm not going to just say "Well, I hope that we lucked out and revealing that info will turn out good for the Civvies" when there's a greater chance of the baddies benefiting.

But I guess you and Chris should start analyzing the MM voters and cross your fingers that you got lucky. Is that what Chris is doing? I voted for Epig, not MM. So coming after me isn't in line with Chris' master plan of revealing the lynch outcome. If he's looking for the Cyber Head, then it ain't me.

Well, there's not knowing if the lynch was a tie, which means the Cyber baddie team does not know if Amy Pond's vote affected the lynch.

And then there's confirmation for the Cyber baddie team that Amy Pond affected, giving them information on the identity of a Civvie whose power, by your own recent statement, is increasingly powerful as endgame approaches.

In my opinion, it is better for the Civvies that Amy Pond remains more covert, and more likely to survive until that late game where her vote can make a big difference.

Asking for the results of the lynch to be revealed opened the door to the possibility of a greater baddie advantage. You created a situation where the baddies could win, where they would have lost. Twist it and stretch it any way you like, that's what you did, it is a fact.

Chris wrote:But "the warning"? Since when do I have to heed anyone's "warning" in this game? What, LC "warns" me that I shouldn't ask about the tie, and because I do, I'm a baddie? Am I not supposed to look into Cybermen hidden added votes? How does that make sense?

It is your choice and yours alone whether or not you heed the warning of Long Con. The consequences of ignoring such a warning will also be the sole domain of Long Con, so don't go whining to the rest of the thread about it.

How about these "maths", Chris? You know who knows for sure if it was Amy Pond that affected the Epig vote? The Cybermen. Because they are the ones with the Head who has vote manipulation. So that baddie team, more than anyone, benefits from the information you requested. Sure, the rest of us might think there may be Cyber-manipulation, but not them!

Hedgeowl wrote: It feels like a team "no u" just a bit.

Your posting is screaming desperate right now, which I get, but it doesn't make me feel better.

I thought the 'no u' was so blatant that I didn't even mention it.

Ok, that's cool, Chris, you don't have to believe me. My explanation of my process of voting you is the way it happened, and there was no ulterior motive, because I have no need for ulterior motives.

keys56000000000 wrote:That sounds like fun, LC, but I'm not feeling an MP or Chris lynch atm. I want to go in another direction.

Fair enough, maybe next time.

Oh, and Chris, I forgot, I DID mention the NK survival thing. I know you asked me not to, but I'm not interested in dancing around or telling the same story twice, so I just told it like it was, not edited for content.

The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

It directly followed what looks like a really waffley, changing, overly verbal explanation of why you survived, which I agree was supicious. Why jump around like that if you're not hiding something? I dunno, but that factor added weight to the idea you were the guy for me, easy enough to go with due to my elevated anger toward you from the Amy Pond Incident.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

Well, that's an interesting theory, Chris and keys. You're not Amy Pond, Chris. I can't wait for MP to end the day early and bring this sweet plan to fruition!

But keys, you gotta get in here. Let's end the day early with the four of us tied in votes! That would be awesome, quadro-coin-flip! I can't wait.

Oh wait. I CAN wait. Probably for a long time. Because the day is probably not going to end early because of the insane whim of Chris.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The ONLY scenario I see that Chris is a civvie is if and only if: (1) the Cyber kill was blocked AND (2) Strax's kill failed because Chris is a civvie. I will admit this is a possibility.

I have no problem with the Strax factor there, but I think it makes it sort of "extra" unlikely for the Dalek roleblocker to have blocked the Cyber killer last night, because the Cyber roleblocker blocked the Dalek kill the previous night. Like... that's just far-fetched to me.