The Syndicate

Contrived, my ass, MP. There's nothign contrived in that post, and it really upsets me that you said that. I wrote that whole thing before even seeing your case about me and Llama.

At least lynch Llama instead. I swear to GOD that he is messing with me with this trust stuff, and he is NOT my partner! Llama today, me tomorrow, don't let him take me down like this.

Ha ha, linkitis. I'll post it anyway.

Turnip Head wrote:Who're you looking at today, Con?

I know you're asking me who I find suspicious, but I'm going to take you quasi-literally and tell you who I'm looking at.

I'm looking at Llama. I'm just watching him, not sure what his motives are. Is he trying to make me react a certain way? His unequivocal trust in me is actually a little disconcerting. And it comes after I put forth the theory about you (TH) and Metalmarsh - wherein I laid out why baddies would come forth with their trust in a perceived Civvie. I don't think I need to go through it again, as I recall, I was as detailed as I could be then.

So is Llama... testing me? Is he trying to see if I'll accuse him of being a baddie for it? Is this a test of my commitment to my stated ideals? Is he testing my mental flexibility? Is he a baddie hiding in the open because I would start to look silly if I accused the next 'suspicious truster' of being a baddie as well?

I hope someone else might give some opinions on this, because I'm just not sure what to think or say about Llama, except that he's who I'm looking at right now.

Boogs: A male cat with a penis who still needs to grow balls.

First of all, that "discovery" of a post of mine on Day 0 was underwhelming to me, since I referenced it in my last post:

Long Con wrote:If you were mixing me up with keys at the start, then I'd understand. Keys pushed hard for not finding partners. What I did was ask questions and try to clarify exactly how the game would go. I never pushed for staying individual, the closest I can find is saying "I would advocate that, except for these reasons..." and I gave my reasons why that's not a good plan, and I called it lame.

There's no contradiction. I never said, like keys, that we should go ahead with that plan. It's an idealistic plan, and if we could be sure everyone would do it, it might work to get a tighter Civvie win. I made that post in order to give two major reasons why such a plan would not be a good idea: It would go against boo's concept of what Monopoly Mafia is about, AND there's no way everyone would go along with it.

Not to mention that, in the next paragraph, I presented what the fallout would be from such a plan, and called that lame.

There's no contradiction here, I was involved in the discussion about the no-search plan, and I came away from that discussion with the same opinions I have today. In the interim, I also put forth that it is beneficial to the Civvies to find ONE partner because Civvie BTSC makes it harder for the baddies.

I used the Autofind, and now I am in contact with one member of my group. Even if we end up finding the third member and go rogue, which may never happen, we still won't have a kill. We will still be dedicated to lynching baddies. The baddies still need us dead.

We still need to focus on killing the baddies, who are growing in power all the time by default. The rate at which they grow in power will only increase over time, when we start seeing more people getting access to multiple properties. Suddenly, a 3-member RR team is targeting a player who has three properties... it's just gonna get messy.

Please don't lynch me just because I bought the Autofind. The baddies are probably going to kill me anyway because I got the Autofind, so let's not do their work for them. Let's try to lynch a baddie today, not me, ok Boogs?

zeek wrote:Sorry Boogs, human kitties are often female :P

Now, Snow Dog... THERE'S a Man's Man.

Boogs wrote:Exactly and thank you for reminding me of his discussion on partners Day 0. Why would he buy it unless he was preventing others of searching? I know he's a good liar in mafia because he fooled me down to the final vote in Monty Python where he kept me tell the end alive. Either way, I think it should be a vote on him today and it seems like a mafia thing to do by going back on his word for searching.
To answer you though on voting today: I do agree we need baddies but it could be a bonus if they are one of the powerful people. I think it's safe to say mafia members would be bidding on these things just like we would to prevent us as well as have powers to stop us later on for doing things. I think LC and Epignosis could be bad, TH I do not think is bad. I only wanted to vote him for being too powerful. So Epignosis or LC today is okay with me, and from the two i would do LC.

Uh, what? "Go back on my word"? That is a misrepresentation of the facts.

If you were mixing me up with keys at the start, then I'd understand. Keys pushed hard for not finding partners. What I did was ask questions and try to clarify exactly how the game would go. I never pushed for staying individual, the closest I can find is saying "I would advocate that, except for these reasons..." and I gave my reasons why that's not a good plan, and I called it lame.

It's Day Three. I'm sure quite a few people out there have found their partners already, I'm not any better than them just because I used the Autofind prize. Are you going to lynch the winner of the AutoAuctionWin tomorrow? 'Cause that's pretty powerful too. You can just go through the game and keep lynching prize winners for their power, and the baddies can just sit back and kill people and gain REAL power with a fistful of properties.

I am not a baddie, I didn't bid for the Autofind to "keep it out of Civvie hands", I bid for it because it's something worth bidding for. There were one or two people bidding for it right alongside me who just happened to have less excellent timing than me, maybe one of them is this baddie you're looking for. Don't punish me just because I played well and won the auction.

DAMN you, Utility!

Why her? WHY?!

LoRab wrote:Yeah....why not...Because, Epig: you're not the only player that can take risks and have fun and see what happens.

$501 on Atlantic Avenue

I think your move, though boldly cool, is too late?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Boogs wrote:(Hisses at Epignosis) me thinks you like to stir up much trouble and think you are untouchable with all the cash mister Robert one
Aye. I make it rain all up in this piece.
Oh dear.

Did that bet ever become official?

Just noticed on the Monopoly Board (http://s580.photobucket.com/user/goleaf ... 0.png.html) that Luxury Tax says "GO Money withheld" instead of the usual "Pay $75.00". That's interesting.

And also... perfect. *bows*

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:500 on Atlantic

Now kill me.
Mission accomplished.

Also, Long Con, you have no idea how much restraint I had to exercise not to just repond to your post with "What a stupid thing to say."

Although it took less restraint than it might otherwise have, since I told you about it.

A perect response, by my own standards.

Epignosis wrote:500 on Atlantic

Now kill me.

You just killed yourself!

For the record, I don't see any rational reason not to completely agree with Lorab's point. No matter what your difference of opinion is, there are ways of conveying it without deriding the intelligence of a fellow player. It's not hard to craft your words in a way that's not belittling. I don't see any reason why Mafia should include that kind of thing.

Boogs wrote:
Boogs wrote:I'm confused now who won't he auctions. Hope I get a pm.

And I bid 1 kitty dollar on Atlantic
EBWOP who won the * I love ipad autocorrect....

I didn't get the one I wanted, guess I should have kept bidding into the last minute instead of assuming it was cut off.

Elohcin wrote:no btsc, I figured it out while he was in the pisser

Nice.

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Seriously though, how do you know not to search for me. Do you have info on my role somehow?
Are you f-ing kidding me?
Oh man derp de derp derp derp.

Tell the truth, was there some illegal BTSC going on during this time?

Now switching my vote to FZ.

By the rules, I believe bidding has ended.

420 on autofind

360 on auto find

juliets wrote:Boogs i am not trying to give you hell. If you are making a vote because you want to be voting for the person who wins the vote just be honest about it like Long Con was last vote. I can't remember what he said exactly but it was something like "I'm voting for x because I want to have an opportunity to bid with a $200 bonus". Just tell the truth. We all understand that thats's going to drive people to vote for the person who looks like they are being lynched.

Yeah, I intend to do it again. I don't know if I plan to bid for this one, but I want the option of having a $200 bonus.

I don't think there's any shame in it, it's just smart play. I personally believe that boo should leave the polls the way they are and make votes unchangeable, it would be more fun and make the $200 bonus something we "earn" a little more.

At the end of this lynch, if Metalmarsh isn't winning it, I'll switch to the player with the highest number of votes.

Yeayh, what did S~V~S end up paying, like $200-something for it? Making it a $400-something bid, which you could have easily outbid, Boogs.

Also, LOL at the appeal to Epig... Really?

The guy you searched last night?

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:That's the point, not mentioning Made at all is telling in itself. I've been caught as a baddie for never talking about my teammate at all.
No offense, but I've been bad enough times with others who are really good baddies to know that you always interact/talk about your teammates a little. I honestly didn't see the suspicions on Made to be any good. I thought I was onto something with Juliets, so I went with that and didn't think mentioning Made was needed. But whatever, you don't believe me, lynch me and you will find out.

well, I've already voted, and I never said you were a suspect of mine, so that last statement wasn't necessary.

I would not take offense at the other part either, I did it once a long time ago, got caught, and I'd like to think I learned my lesson. I'm happy for you that you already have that baddie landmine defused in your own game (at least you claim to), but it's still worthwhile to clarify that it's a point against you that you claimed as a point in your favour.

That's the point, not mentioning Made at all is telling in itself. I've been caught as a baddie for never talking about my teammate at all.

I don't think too much on these vouches, it's just opinion and that can change like the breeze. Some of them may be baddies trying to get cred, but it's just hard to tell. Llama's trust surprises me.

Turnip Head wrote:We need to discuss what we're going to do if we lynch a railroad or a utility today and their card is put up for auction.

I liked the idea of letting them just sit there, but it also seems risky to do that.

Someone buys it and immediately auctions it off to a private and anonymous bidder of their choice. They don't HAVE to sell it to the highest bidder, right? Maybe a private seller can just receive all bids, and choose one person to sell it to (preventing a Railroad or Utitlity from outbidding all Civvies with their wonderful income stream). There's still a chance they could end up selling to a baddie randomly, but at least it would get it out of the hands of the buyer and the baddies would be killing everyone who buys property publicly.

zeek wrote:BR's involvement is also noteworthy to me. I don't see TH trying to make anyone feel stupid, feels like a bit odd thing to say. I'm always wary of these things, always wondering whether the baddies are just letting people go at it.

BR was just leaving to go to the store as I came in to check, and she said something about her making a post to TH, and she hopes she got her point across clearly. I saw it after she was gone, and I don't really understand what she means. Either she read something of TH incorrectly, or she didn't get her own point across clearly enough, but she'll be back soon enough to clarify what she meant.

zeek wrote:Just incase it wasn't clear, the blown up out of nothing remark was about Epi-Lorab.

Good clarification, I took it to mean TH and I.

Turnip Head wrote:And as for why I think you could be a utility LC... well, because the utilities learned my role, and if I'm lynched they'll get a bonus added to their bid on my property. And LC has already said that he's interested in buying and selling properties for personal gain. From my perspective it's a conspiracy theory that makes some sense. I'll admit I've also pointed out things that could make me think you're a railroad, and I understand that you can't be both.

linki: Sure man, I'll check you out tonight

It would be very awesome if we were in the same colour group, old friend!

Also, your reason for thinking I'm a possible Utility inadvertently gave me a new reason to think Civ thoughts of you... if you were a Railroad, and you thought that I (a presumed Utility) learned your role, then the obvious expectation would be that I'd come after you hard for the lynch. But you shared your reasoning after I had already backed off on you to a degree. In other words, your attitude about me being a possible Utility doesn't mesh with what I think a Railroad would be thinking after landing on EC. If that makes sense to you.

thellama73 wrote:Guys come on. Long Con isn't a baddie. I think if anyone can read him, I can. I know I voted for him yesterday, but his gameplay since then has not been baddie like in the slightest.

Oh, as if you know how to read me. :P

Ha ha jk thanks for the vote of confidence.

Turnip Head wrote:@LC: That's an answer I suppose I'll have to be okay with... Because that was indeed my concern re: you. You have asked many in-thread questions, and this one if asked would have had to have been behind the scenes. Somewhere you connected some dots by yourself if that's the case, and I can't prove that you ever asked for clarification on your certainty.

Hey, be in my colour-group and search me, and in our wonderful new BTSC I will show you all the proof you need.

zeek wrote:More interesting is the TH-LC argument. Interesting developments.

Just want to say, for the record (although my vote makes it obvious) that I think TH has reacted better to my theory about them than Metalmarsh. MM just didn't even acknowledge the theory/case and just went right into attacking me.

And why a utility? I thought your case made more sense with me as a railroad, because of the knowledge that Short Line would go to the killer, and the killer that night was a railroad. For the record, I'm neither of those things.

boo wrote:During the night, the card of the lynched player will be bid for (players who voted for the lynched player will have $200 applied to their bid, but they can’t actually access that money for anything else). The bidding is done publicly (in thread).The player who bids the most for the card will receive it. Successful NKs will result in the player responsible for the NK getting the card of the killed player.

I see what you're saying, TH, and I was just using this rules post as my knowledge source. I haven't asked any game-questions in PM, just a bunch of in-thread ones.

If you take the whole paragraph, it's all about the card of the lynched player, the new free-floating card. I just read it as talking about that card.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Good point, I was wrong there. They couldn't kill one of their own. So I guess now I'm a railroad who's intentionally getting some thing s wrong about my own role...?
Well, Made didn't misunderstand his role on purpose.

Got your message loud and clear.

*votes Metalmarsh*

Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:I am watching with half-grinning disbelief at the fervent bidding on Short Line. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
LC doesn't explain his surprised amusement. Look how veiled this is. LC puts himself in bystander mode as the bidding increases. His statement here doesn't have to contain a trace of guilt on it, depending on the interpretation of his tone here. But it looks guilty to me.

So, you think that I'm a railroad who decided to make a public statement of surprised amusement because I couldn't take the guilt of what I was about to do (that is, kill the bid winner)? Like, maybe I thought I should say nothing (and attract no attention), but the guilt was eating me alive already, and I just couldn't help it?

No, I posted this when I realized what the outcome would likely be for the winner. I didn't feel like saying "OMG everyone stop bidding!!" and offer a step-by-step logical progression of the way things would go, but at least I said something. I thought someone might, I don't know, ask me why I said that? Protip: The railroads said nothing about it because they didn't want anyone to know what was going to happen.

I mean, look who STARTED the bidding:
Long Con wrote:Nice result! I bid $1!!
You have to feel like LC was hoping to incite a bidding frenzy with that stunt...

I'm sure everyone appreciates you telling them how they have to feel. Saves them the trouble of developing their own feelings, what a hassle! :P I did start bidding at first because getting a property seemed really cool. Then I thought about it for a bit and realized that the railroads would just kill the winner, and I stopped bidding... and offered the statement of concern about the subject you quoted above.

Then I asked the question that didn't breach SVS or MetalM's cranium:
Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:What happens to any extra cards we win if we get NKed?
The killer gets the extra cards, and your own card.
Now sure, I and perhaps others who didn't bid straight away assumed that this might have to be the case - because I thought about what would happen to someone's stuff if and when they died. But I realized that this answer that LC provides here isn't in the thread. Seriously, go look, I'll eat a hat if it's anywhere in the rules that that's what happens when you die. LC knows it though, and so once the bidding commences he can't help but maniacally smirk. LC's answer to that question must have come from boo from behind the scenes. Which makes me think he has a good reason to ask about it.

Hmm, well, maybe you should put your reading glasses, grandpa...

boo wrote:Successful NKs will result in the player responsible for the NK getting the card of the killed player.

A little ketchup and fresh ground pepper might make that hat a little more palatable. Will you post a video of you eating it?

Third post of the game, three paragraphs from the bottom.

Long Con wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Unless whoever wins it is railroad.
They'd better hope they're the railroad with the kill, or else they'll kill one of their own. :o
Just pointing out that this isn't how it works. The railroads can't be NK'd until they've all found each other. The Short Line bidding war was a win-win for the railroads.

Good point, I was wrong there. They couldn't kill one of their own. So I guess now I'm a railroad who's intentionally getting some thing s wrong about my own role...?

EBWOP

Hedgeowl wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:I just saw that I stepped on the baddies property. Great, they get $240 for 3 people stepping on...
Yeah... by my spreadsheet, Electric Company is up $480. The second biggest net earner is Metalmarsh at +$200. So if MM is Electric Company he's so rich!

Epig seems to be down the most, at -$500, from his big bid on the Chance card (will you let us know when you use it, Ep? Are you using it yourself or someone else? Is it Chance or Community Chest that can send you Directly To Jail? That would be funny.) Then Hedgeowl seems to be down $375, which I believe was the price she paid for the Windfall.

Ha, I just thought of another reason Epig could give for the early big bid. Maybe the baddies will consider him 'closer to bankruptcy' and avoid wasting their nightkill on a player that is so much closer to death.
LC I had $275 for Hedgie so went back and checked when I saw your $375. It is indeed $275 in the thread, bid was made right before end of period. Would there have been some reason $100 would have attached to the $275 that maybe I'm not thinking of?
Hedgeowl also paid $100 to Income Tax on the first move.

Well, apparently i need a SS too then. i was going to correct you as well. I am not good with money irl either.

Glad to help, neighbour!

Hedgeowl wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:I just saw that I stepped on the baddies property. Great, they get $240 for 3 people stepping on...
Yeah... by my spreadsheet, Electric Company is up $480. The second biggest net earner is Metalmarsh at +$200. So if MM is Electric Company he's so rich!

Epig seems to be down the most, at -$500, from his big bid on the Chance card (will you let us know when you use it, Ep? Are you using it yourself or someone else? Is it Chance or Community Chest that can send you Directly To Jail? That would be funny.) Then Hedgeowl seems to be down $375, which I believe was the price she paid for the Windfall.

Ha, I just thought of another reason Epig could give for the early big bid. Maybe the baddies will consider him 'closer to bankruptcy' and avoid wasting their nightkill on a player that is so much closer to death.
LC I had $275 for Hedgie so went back and checked when I saw your $375. It is indeed $275 in the thread, bid was made right before end of period. Would there have been some reason $100 would have attached to the $275 that maybe I'm not thinking of?
Hedgeowl also paid $100 to Income Tax on the first move.

Glad to help, neighbour!
Well, apparently i need a SS too then. i was going to correct you as well. I am not good with money irl either.

Turnip Head wrote:I didn't pull a No U on you LC. My concern with your tone has nothing to do with you suspecting me for not suspecting Epi. When I get home tonight ill break down my concerns for you if you want.

Also, you DID basically say it's not true, though you didn't explicitly acknowledge that the theory holds some merit based on past Mafia baddie actions.

Metalmarsh, on the other hand, kinda came in, read it and left without saying anything last night, and then he came in today to grab an unrelated statement I made and just flat out imply that I'm lying about it.

I'm still interested to hear your discussion of my tones though. I like hearing about me.

juliets wrote:Oh yes, she did. I was just looking at expenditures on property and powers but I guess I should fold in the board too. My spreadsheet is too big already.

My SS is just keeping track of Players and their overall money change, and another one for Property with overall money change. I'm open to suggestions from better SS-makers than I on a col way to track the game!

Linki: no prob.

juliets wrote:LC, who is your biggest suspicion at the moment?

There's not a lot going for suspicions for me right now, most people are at an even neutral in my eyes. I am slightly more suspicious of Turnip Head and Metalmarsh due to them both pulling a weak 'no u' when they could have easily just acknowledged that what I said could be true, but it's not.

juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:I just saw that I stepped on the baddies property. Great, they get $240 for 3 people stepping on...
Yeah... by my spreadsheet, Electric Company is up $480. The second biggest net earner is Metalmarsh at +$200. So if MM is Electric Company he's so rich!

Epig seems to be down the most, at -$500, from his big bid on the Chance card (will you let us know when you use it, Ep? Are you using it yourself or someone else? Is it Chance or Community Chest that can send you Directly To Jail? That would be funny.) Then Hedgeowl seems to be down $375, which I believe was the price she paid for the Windfall.

Ha, I just thought of another reason Epig could give for the early big bid. Maybe the baddies will consider him 'closer to bankruptcy' and avoid wasting their nightkill on a player that is so much closer to death.
LC I had $275 for Hedgie so went back and checked when I saw your $375. It is indeed $275 in the thread, bid was made right before end of period. Would there have been some reason $100 would have attached to the $275 that maybe I'm not thinking of?

Hedgeowl also paid $100 to Income Tax on the first move.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also, LC, what exactly is your case against Epig? Do you think he's bad, or is it that you don't agree with TH's early read of Epig? Sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself, but I might have missed your reasoning somewhere.

I got nothing much against Epig. He got my vote Day One, but he's not my biggest suspicion right now. I don't really want him to be lynched, I'd rather see how his game goes after the start he chose.

FZ. wrote:I just saw that I stepped on the baddies property. Great, they get $240 for 3 people stepping on...

Yeah... by my spreadsheet, Electric Company is up $480. The second biggest net earner is Metalmarsh at +$200. So if MM is Electric Company he's so rich!

Epig seems to be down the most, at -$500, from his big bid on the Chance card (will you let us know when you use it, Ep? Are you using it yourself or someone else? Is it Chance or Community Chest that can send you Directly To Jail? That would be funny.) Then Hedgeowl seems to be down $375, which I believe was the price she paid for the Windfall.

Ha, I just thought of another reason Epig could give for the early big bid. Maybe the baddies will consider him 'closer to bankruptcy' and avoid wasting their nightkill on a player that is so much closer to death.

Epignosis wrote:Overreaction. Bingo.

Turnip Head wrote:LC your tone this game has been completely different from what it was in the recent Dr Who game. Was that an intentional choice you made while playing this game, or does it maybe tell us something about your role this time around?

I don't really make "intentional choices" about my tone,. I just go with what bubbles up in my head to say. What's different about my tone in your opinion?

Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:So those payments to Pennsylvania RR are indeed $25 each. It's worth noting, though, TH, that boo will display the payments as $25 even if they are more, so as to hide the Railroads' actual current earning power.
I want to know how LC knows this to begin with. did I miss where boo said it?

I think this has been answered, boo did indeed clarify. He also clarified that all the movements take place before the nightkills take place, so Pennsylvania RR's acquisition of Short Line happened after people landed on the Penn RR space last night, therefore it only earned $25 per player. Right?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Of course, I'd just like to say right now (for any murderous, property-hungry baddies that are reading) that if I ever win the bid for a property, it will IMMEDIATELY be put up for private trade, and be gone from my possession before the next night kill lands.
What if I don't believe you?

Then you must think I'm a baddie or an idiot.

I'm neither, so that's exactly what I'll do, if I decide to win a public bid for a property.

I'm sure that Turnip Head's and Metalmarsh's seeming suspicion of me has nothing to do with the theory I posted about them last night.

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:While I appreciate the vouch (Note to me: Act more wayward next time when bad!), a civilian property will need to cough up a bit of bread to grow in power. In the actual board game, I never refrain from buying a property if I can.
Spending so much on a Chance card cripples you when biding for any future property... unless you have a good income stream.
Tell me how publicly bidding on a property will benefit me again...

I'd feel more honest if I were to extol the benefits of bidding privately and anonymously, when properties are put up for sale or trade by players.

Of course, I'd just like to say right now (for any murderous, property-hungry baddies that are reading) that if I ever win the bid for a property, it will IMMEDIATELY be put up for private trade, and be gone from my possession before the next night kill lands.

EBWOP: *bidding, not biding.

Epignosis wrote:While I appreciate the vouch (Note to me: Act more wayward next time when bad!), a civilian property will need to cough up a bit of bread to grow in power. In the actual board game, I never refrain from buying a property if I can.

Spending so much on a Chance card cripples you when biding for any future property... unless you have a good income stream.

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