The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't know why people assume I'm Heat Wave. The reason I think Roxy was Captain Cold was because who was night killed by Captain Cold.
LC you did a lot of the decoding so I'm surprised you can't figure out who I am. I really think timmer is playing for a civvie aligned win I also think MM is scum. When MM flips bad I would lynch Sophie next then I would go ahead and take a real good look at LC. Well those are my thoughts so now you guys can lead a lynch on me if you want.

Interesting. I haven't tried to figure out a different role for you because I was just assuming you are Heat Wave and were just discreet about it. If you really aren't Heat Wave, then pick a number between one and ten to make me trust you more.

Sophie wrote:Lc i ve seen you as one who in general in this game was eager to discuss posibilities and now you just go with mm?

When I made my last post, it looked like the MM lynch was already decided, now I see that there are some dissenting voices. MM's passionate plea has actually moved me as well, this is a crappy way to go down.

Here's the case today on MM:

Turnip Head wrote:I voted the marmot for now, he said he should be back from his backpedaling trip tomorrow so that leaves him plenty of time to participate

timmer wrote:As for today's lynch, I'm still inclined to distrust MM and think that's where we will find our Top.

timmer wrote:If the host post points to the top being the new killer, my vote goes to MM, I think it's the best chance at hitting that role.

S~V~S wrote: Looking back, he was kinda annoyed when we tried to find alternatives to "Timmer" during the Timmer curse, didn't he? And I have never been forced by the Top, and if that role was connected to Timmer, I think I would have been.

I am going to trust Bass, who I am like super sure is not bad. Voting MM.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm also going to vote MM.

There is not much there. And it's the trusty-group of Bass, S~V~S, Timmer, and Turnip Head.

Turnip Head trusts Timmer because he doesn't believe Timmer would go after Bass 1.0 if he were a baddie. Even though, if Timmer is a New Rogue, he wouldn't have known if Bass 1.0 was bad or not, TH has never wavered in his trust.

Bass 2.0 is strongly riding the cred from his claim that Roxy was Captain Cold, and subsequently he looks like Heat Wave, but Llama posted this:

thellama73 wrote:I don't think Timmer is a good choice. I'm inclined to vote for Bass, actually. I don't think I'm buying his bold claims.

So, that's, like, the opposite of trusting Bass due to a confirmation that Roxy was Cold.

I don't know why Turnip Head is trusted, but if Bass and Timmer are bad, and Turnip Head isn't, then of course they'd butter him up with the trusty-family shtick. To me, Turnip Head is one of the top suspects for being The Top himself, just like S~V~S.

And S~V~S has been riding the Bass train as well, as I recall. I'll be honest here, this game has been slow and slightly disjointed due to to much waiting for the host to tighten things up, and at the same time, I've been playing over on Jesus Toast Mafia as well, so in the last 3 or 4 days I have slightly lost focus on this game. Bass 2.0 trusts S~V~S, is there any other reason to trust her that has come up? Why does he trust her? Even if he's Heat Wave, I highly doubt Golden Glider got in and subsequently connected him to an Old Rogue S~V~S, so I'm counting that out. It ain't Rainbow Raider, and I don't think they're Detectives from the way Bass and Llama don't see eye to eye.

I don't believe in any trust that comes from map BTSC. Aces tricked Roxy completely that way.

I was being lazy earlier when I said I'd vote Metalmarsh, because I saw the stack of votes on him, and it looked like it didn't make a difference. That was crappy, and it's too true that MM goes down like that far too often. I'd prefer a Bass or S~V~S lynch, and I'd REALLY love to hear Llama's opinion. He may not want to infodrop, but that doesn't mean he has to let someone go down that he knows isn't a New Rogue.

I hope MM is The Top. Maybe the kill will go away if we kill The Top?

I could see MM mind controlling himself with a strong Timmer slant, and then controlling BR similarly, for the non-Top cred. And hey... it certainly looks like it's his day, so I'll vote MM as well.

I'd really like to know if Llama's team ever investigated Roxy. It's the key to knowing whether or not we can trust Bass, and by extension, Timmer. Llama expressed distrust of Bass after he had had opportunity to check Roxy, and that hjas always stuck in my mind.

S~V~S wrote:Based on that word "reversed" I am not sure that that is exactly how it works, I think the Tricksters TARGET was the attempted kill, and it was deflected to that persons target, perhaps? I have been wondering about this since the Bullz kill. The vagueness of that post made me think there was a deflection role of some kind.

Yes, absolutely... the Trickster wasn't targeted, the Trickster's target was targeted. Either way, we've quasi-confirmed an Old Rogue still out there.

However... The Top: Night kills targeted at him will be redirected to a random player.

The Top is our new killer.

FZ. wrote:Sorry for not being around. A good friend killed himself (jumping off a building) and I'm devastated. Trying to do my best to catch up, but I'm going to the funeral today and I don't know how much I'll feel like playing today or tomorrow

I read the night story and thought maybe what happened could be related to this:

The Trickster – The most inexperienced Rogue and a notorious prank enthusiast. Leaves a “trap” on one player during even nights. If that player is ~ar~e~e~, the a~~~~~ ~s re~erse~.

I don't know if someone already solved this, but I read it as: "If that player is targeted, the action is reversed".

So it made me wonder whether the Trickster trapped the victim of the killer tonight, and the action was reversed. If that's what happened, then it means Daisy could have been a killer

I think you're right, someone definitely tried to kill The Trickster last night. Not entirely sure if SD was that killer, as the post writes her as a passerby minding her own business, but that could be just fluff writing for obfuscation.

A reread of the night post... it seems as though Daisy wasn't the intended target tonight. The intended target had a balloon pop/explosion that sent the knife back at the killer... who then deflected it to Spacedaisy.

So, clearly the killer is Dharmahelper, in the Conservatory, with the Sadistic Grin.

Turnip Head wrote:I think Plunder is dead and that whoever inherited Grodd's NK is not killing in favor of the Old Rogues, otherwise they would not have killed Daisy.

Llama, did you ever check Roxy to corroborate Bass' story about her?

I agree, which is why we're getting this mystery killer instead of Plunder. Probably the New Rogues inherited Grodd's kill to make up for their lack of one, or something.

Did anyone get a movement PM result tonight? I didn't. And I just got to a place that's something rather than nothing - I wanna see what it does!

I never really took the game seriously when I knew there was a freakin' monkey playing anyway. A freakin' monkey! And that's terrible.

Inherited kill, eh? See ya, Grodd! Welcome back to the cruel world of Mafia, DREAM!

And that means lynching Metalmarsh, is that correct?

Given who Llama is, I read most of his opinions like that as vouches... with the caveat, of course, that the Pied Piper got correct information. Some of it surely HAS to be true, though, so the farther we get into the game, the more trustable Llama's player-opinions become.

I do hope we hear from the Piper tomorrow Mafia-morning though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no Piper post today, maybe not yesterday. (My memory is a bit sketchy due to a double-day and a cancelled night)

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:^Maybe Dream, for the fact that I still think the killer was one of the replacements and the fact llama said to vote there. But on the other hand, she seemed really annoyed with the bandwagon, which is why I was trying to figure out what's going on, thinking there was more time.
I don't think LC is her buddy, nor SVS, so it makes me wonder if she is the baddie if everyone else voted for her. I hope she is

I meant to ask you, why did you take Llama's vouch so strongly? I guess I'm just pretty used to him , but even though Llama states his opinion so matter of factly it doesn't always mean that he knows what he's talking about.

Are you speaking of Llama's "vouch" that DREAM is a baddie?

If DREAM is a New Rogue, she is more than likely not one with BTSC... I don't know which inactive player she replaced, but I don't think it's too likely that Blacksmith would have searched an inactive player for a teammate.

Point being, that would make it unlikely that we could track down other New Rogues by watching the voting pattern on this one. I realize as well that I didn't vote for her, so saying that would seem to be in my own personal interest, but I'm just saying it because it's probably the truth.

*fingers crossed for DREAM being Plunder*

HOST, if Plunder dies, does the baddie nightkill die with him?

Your continued total lack of reading posts is really frustrating. You are just posting what you want to post, like you are responding to what you want to have been said. Now I have to break it down, I was really hoping that your latest post would finally change.

S~V~S wrote:OK, this is my opinion of you. Like I said, several times actually, lots of things you have said this game sound like baddie things to say to me, but your tone is not bad. I don't think you are bad, tbh, and kinda have an idea why you might sould as you do to me. I think I read you fairly well, and you have been making tentative stabs at me most of the game until you came out and said it. But, alsa, my opinion of YOU does not make ME bad.

I think Bass theory on his Mom makes a million percent sense, and Timmer trying so hard to prove her bad after her death is really what brought it to a head for me.

Ok. You have been mentioning me here and there all game. It's always "I feel like LC might be bad, but I I also feel like he's not". THAT is "insinuating". You suggest it, but don't commit to it, to see if it catches on with the general public. I asked YOU how exactly I have been "insinuating", and you give a generic response about your read, a glance at an idea of a role you may or may not think I have, another vague accusation of "making stabs", and a bizarre reference to a No U that never happened. WTF?

I asked you how I have been insinuating all game. "Insinuating LC is bad LC", right? You absolutely didn't even try to show how I have been insinuating like you accused me of.

And what was that Bass thing about? Brought WHAT to a head? Why is that sentence there? I don't see how it is related to the rest of the content.

S~V~S wrote:No, it can be anyones schtick. I was incredibly frustrated. Several people I don't think are bad were voting for me, I came back from a 4 hour drive from a hospital in another state to find votes, for silly reasons. I had a hissy fit. You have seen me have worse hissy fits. And sometimes, you know, proving someone else wrong is more important than being proven correct yourself. This was one of those occasions for me. You're wrong, and I don;t want to be NKed and see a bunch of people talking about how bad I obviously was after I am dead, when I actually think I have had a pretty positive effect on the civs in this game

It was identical to what Bullz did. It's humourous. I think it's weird that you are defending against a joke.

S~V~S wrote:Was this your big case? Let me know if you have anything else. But I am sure you don't cause...

It's wrong.

Here's where I am 100% sure that you are not attempting any reading comprehension with my posts, or Dreamy's, for that matter. What "big case" are you talking about?? I'm going to quote my words for you again, and I advise you to actually read them this time:

LC wrote: My post was a couple of things. It was an explanation of a suspicion and a compliment. It was a promise. It was a defense. At the bottom, it was a humourous observation.

What it was not was a case. I'm VERY interested in how you read this post and say that it's just "wrong", and how you could call it a case.

So, you called my post a case on you, when actually reading it would show you that it was a few things, but not a case on you.

THEN, after I carefully explained what my post was and was not, you post this garbage? "Was this your big case?" YOU ARE NOT READING!

I am moving the vote to Dreamy. I think her vote was really opportunistic, and the case she is saying is so convincing is pretty much gut, yes, LC?

You very obviously didn't read her post either. She never said there was a case that she found so convincing, probably because SHE is actually reading posts. Here, obviously I have to break it down again:

DREAM wrote:...the more time I spend reading LC's arguments the more I see where he's coming from and it was this post stuck out the most to me...

She refers to a post that stuck out to her.

The part about Sophie pinged me and I think that is because I had never taken my eye off of her since i started getting that vibe that I had pointed out earlier.

This is not about my post at all.

Then the part where she tells LC that he's wrong, but nothing telling him how or why.

This is what you did, and it is suspicious.

Lastly, I can't tell if the 3d paragraph is saying that TH and Timmer are a certain group or what but it just didn't sit well with me.

Again, not about my post, it's about YOURS.

You have not made me feel better about you, S~V~S, you've only reinforced the things I've already said. You are bad.

BUT, looks like DREAM is bad too, and is getting lynched, so see you tomorrow, S~V~S.

timmer wrote:

That's exactly what I was getting at. I remember thinking that Grodd would need a higher movement rate to map-based kill, but I didn't even say it. For Timmer to assume I'm not Grodd just because I move one square at a time is a stretch.

So you and I thought the exact same thought but I tried to put it to use, and I'm bad for it. You know what, I've never been put under This level of constant scrutiny before, where literally everything I say is spun only in one, negative direction. You guys want me to be bad really badly, but I'm going to have to disappoint you. But this constant gang-up is exhausting and I'm sorry to say I'm done. Go ahead and vote me out. You'll see you were wrong at game's end. Between curse where people have to say my name and other curses whet people can't make cases on me, someone out there kind of made this personal and I'm done with it.

I didn't say it was suspicious, I said it was a stretch. I don't think it's sound logic. It's not logical to assume I'm not Grodd simply because my movement rate is purportedly 1.

I mean... I'm not Grodd, but only Grodd and I know that for sure.

Did the night ending early make us unable to move, or did the host just forget to send out movement PMs? I assume the former.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:BR, how did your mind control work again?

I was forced to make a case on Bullzeye, and vote for Bullzeye. This happened on Day 3. Bullzeye was NK'd on Night 4, and probably one of them coming from the very team that forced me to make a case on him.

So whoever mind-controlled me wanted Bullzeye dead.

What about you saying "Timmer" instead of any other pronoun?

Yes, that was part of it, but not the part I was most interested in looking at.

Why would The Top want Bullzeye dead? And that's assuming that Blacksmith has found both The Top and Plunder, successfully picking a New Rogue (arguably the best two) on two out of the first three nights.

Turnip Head wrote:

timmer wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, so it's not Grodd that is controlling people's minds. It it the Secret Role, who I now expose as... The Top! dun dun dunnnnn.....

I solved Grodd's role:

Gorilla Grodd (????????) – He wants Keystone and Central City all for himself and his gorilla empire. He is the Serial Killer and is immune to all mind control. Because of Grodd’s telepathic power, he will know where every player is and what they’re up to during the game.

So he's immune to mind control, but he doesn't control others. Looks like he gets a lot of map awareness, not sure what information is gained through knowing "what players are up to".

The Super Secret role (still some words missing):

The Top – He can spin…really fast. ~~~~~ ~~~~s targeted at him will be redirected to a random player. His spinning a~~~~~~es s~~e~~~ gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he can choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

So... the person Black Rock is looking for is The Top, aka the Super Secret Role, and not Grodd.

I wonder if Grodd's serial killer ability is map based? He knows where everyone is, and can come and hunt them down, maybe?

Anyways, disclaimer, any and all of my role solutions could be wrong, so it would be sensible for someone else to cross-check and verify my solutions to be more sure.

^Here is what I remember. It was Long Con who suggested Grodd could be a map-based killer.

You connected a lot of dots from that though

That's exactly what I was getting at. I remember thinking that Grodd would need a higher movement rate to map-based kill, but I didn't even say it. For Timmer to assume I'm not Grodd just because I move one square at a time is a stretch.

Ok, we still have to keep playing even though S~V~S had to go for a bit.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

I guess it's possible, but I don't have any reason to think that, do you? The only New Rogue role that I think would make sense for Timmer to do this as is Plunder. Because otherwise, if Timmer is right about Bass, then Plunder potentially kills Timmer as revenge. High chance of backfiring.

Are you giving DH and I the same level of trust? I know he's dead, but the question stands.

S~V~S wrote:You can't make this shit up. Seriously. My brother had a car accident, he is OK, in the hospital for observation, but his car is totalled. My Dad & other brother are already there, but I gotta go. Sorry LC, totally not dissing you I will try to be back later, but not sure. I am gonna vote me for now becasue everything is just a fail.

Ladies and gentlemen, the expected ruse...

Just kidding, that sucks.

S~V~S wrote:

S~V~S wrote:For whomever asked yesterday about my thoughts on Sophie, it was TH I believe, I had some very distinct thoughts on her. She felt floundery but civ, based on both things in and out of thread. But her vote yesterday was disturbing to me. Which is why I asked her that question ^^ (Note to self: Sherry, learn to think before hitting "Submit", you may have more to say) because I would have expected her to have done something different on a short read of the thread.

And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

You can craft an amazing post that takes you weeks to write, but if it says what yours did, it would be wrong, and that is the salient point as far as I am concerned. I can do a point by point for you later (overslept this AM, only tiny online time before work, and now that I am driving again, no bus leisure time, either, anymore)

I am assuming Bass was silenced yesterday since I know he was on site and did not post here. I look forward to hearing his take on this lynch. TH is defending Timmer verging on Cap't Obvious territory, which gives me some pause. Don't know why he would do such a thing while bad, but based on my worldview of this game, can't see how else that would work. I have detectives in mind, I have a CC/HW in mind. so... urh.

Actually it isn't all I say surprisingly enough! I said this just this morning

Still at work. But tbh, you're right in that my reply tonight will essentially just say, "you're wrong". Cause, you know, you are.

Nope!

S~V~S wrote:You're very seriously wrong.

Yeah, no matter what I say, that's the only response you have to give.

I begin the day with S~V~S in my sights. She is avoiding responding to my posts, and is pretending that she's reading the content, but is clearly not. I'll park a vote there now to get things rolling.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

My post was a couple of things. It was an explanation of a suspicion and a compliment. It was a promise. It was a defense. At the bottom, it was a humourous observation.

What it was not was a case. I'm VERY interested in how you read this post and say that it's just "wrong", and how you could call it a case.

You didn't read it, you're just paying it lip service. You obviously have something going on besides actually reading the thread completely, but to react so dishonestly is seriously suspicious. You could have said "LC, I've been so busy, I need to go back and really read your post", but you didn't. I was actually not too invested in the idea that you are the Top, but I'm pretty damn sure now that you are bad. Like the lynch of Bass 1.0, behaviour is very revealing, and you are undeniably trying to be deceptive with me.

Here's my post, for the record.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Because I'm acting like a total yutz this game, and people who know better say I'm the baddie? I think I did one good thing this game, I will find out end game (maybe 2) but for the most part, i have sucked. Timmer has been poking at me since he subbed in, LC has been insinuating in my direction (and insinuating LC is bad LC, imo) most of the game, and then MP comes in and says things that he knows will get my Irish up, and basically says, "This is how *I* am interpreting the game. If you don't like it, lynch me". Awesome.

I think you're looking at my suspicion of you in the entirely wrong way. It is nothing but a compliment that I suspect you first of this, I think you're clever enough to put a plan like this in motion, that's all. Between that, and the fact that the "participants" in this plot are all people you are close to as longtime Mafia friends, I think you owe me at least an acknowledgement that it's not unusual that I am looking in your direction.

I also think it was an overreaction to a temporary vote. But I'mma let that slide because you have had a stressful weekend. I promise I never have, and never will, attempt to use your life complications as a Mafia strategy - I swear the timing of it was unrelated.

I just want to address "insinuating in your direction" as well. I'm trying to think of what you mean by that. I can only recall mentioning you once before, when I was suspecting Roxy, Bass 2.0, Aces, and you of some nefarious dealings. Well, it turns out Aces was pretty bad, Roxy and Bass are possibly good, possibly not. I don't think that I was insinuating in your direction, you were just someone who was part of a group of people that had sketchy-looking stuff going on (namely, Roxy's vouch for Aces, Bass' vouches, etc). I'm fine with "insinuating LC is bad LC", whether that's true or not, because I don't think I've been particularly "insinuating" in this game.

We did not get a role reveal on Roxy. I would prefer to have some control over my contribution to the game in this way. I would rather by lynched today than NKed tonight. So then even though I have sucked seriously as a civvie (yes, MP, I said the "C" word), my death will have some value this way. If someone I actually suspect looks to be lynched, I will consider changing my vote that way.

Dude, this is so bullz' shtick. Come on, you know this.

Weather Wizard – Nature’s fury in the form of a disgruntled, wand-wielding father. Once per game (each), he can force the day to end early and the night to end early.

I believe that explains that. But that was only a little bit early, so did ANY powers go through? Perhaps Llama can let us know if a successful role check happened. Anyways, no kills is better than me-killed, so thanks, Weather Wizard!

"This Plunder"? You speak as though you only just heard of him.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Confirmation of LC solving this one already.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights. Like Mirror Master, he will not appear as his role if he is checked.

I didn't post that solution. Where is your Confirmation coming from?

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I don't really have a lot of faith in map-BTSC claims since Roxy vouched for Aces and he turned out to be Professor Zoom. If we had trusted Roxy on that one, Llama would probably be dead, since that's Professor Zoom's main goal.

Long Con, my map-vouch for Timmer essentially boils down to the fact that I'm almost certain he brought up the "Bass cursed himself" theory in our chat before anyone had ever looked Bass' way in the thread. Roxy's vouch for Aces was super vague and she refused to tell us anything specific. I'm telling you exactly what Timmer did in chat AND in thread that makes me think he isn't likely to be a New Rogue. That's not a "map-vouch", that's me bringing extra evidence from the chat into the thread. Whether or not you believe me is up to you I guess.

Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

Linki: Timmer, how do we know Grodd has a higher movement rate than the (I assume average) movement rate of 1? If we have confirmed that, I'm just forgetting.

Also, to add something that I guess is pretty obvious, none of the mind controlled people can be Grodd (unless the mind control was faked).

I remember Llama as one of the three voters for DREAM, at the time when I posted about voting Soneji. I had read the thread, and they were saying "DREAM or Soneji", and I was hoping they picked Soneji. When I looked at the poll immediately after posting, I saw Llama, Devin, and a third player I forget, had all voted DREAM.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I completely forgot that Spacedaisy voted for MP too, after he self-voted. I'll count Sophie out since llama vouched for her. How often does it happen that we lynch a player who asks to be lynched, and they turn up bad?

And another question for you TH that I don't know if you've answered. What do you think timmer is aside from not New Rogue? I do think it is clear that he is not a Detective, so we've narrowed it down a little.

And I semi-apologize for hounding you. I'm making up for a week of not being able to mafia.

Linki: my curse was quite similar to BR's so I got the feeling that she was being honest.

I don't have a specific role in mind for Timmer, I think he could just as easily be an independent or an Old Rogue. Hell he could be Grodd and I'd feel like an idiot for defending him.

I don't think BR is lying about her curse either, that'd be odd behavior from her IMO.

linki: Llama moved his vote around a lot, but when there were 3 votes on DREAM, I'm pretty sure it was me, Llama and Devin.

I don't really have a lot of faith in map-BTSC claims since Roxy vouched for Aces and he turned out to be Professor Zoom. If we had trusted Roxy on that one, Llama would probably be dead, since that's Professor Zoom's main goal.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote: I do think it is a bit more than is the norm for YOU, not me, though, TH.

I wouldn't say that's true. I defend people when I feel good about them and I think they're being wrongly accused. At this point I don't even know what Timmer is being accused of, except mind control by BR and of not being helpful in a retroactive case by MM. I've laid out some reasons why I feel good about Timmer. You should reread me , I think you missed the part where I had real-time interaction with Timmer during the Bass lynch in square chat. That is definitely influencing my opinion of him.

And I agree with FZ's BTSC breakdown too, lol.

linki: Interesting list BR Why am I at the top of it?

Because the mind control is well thought out and clever.

BR, how did your mind control work again?

I was forced to make a case on Bullzeye, and vote for Bullzeye. This happened on Day 3. Bullzeye was NK'd on Night 4, and probably one of them coming from the very team that forced me to make a case on him.

So whoever mind-controlled me wanted Bullzeye dead.

What about you saying "Timmer" instead of any other pronoun?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rainbow rezz?

I enjoyed your use of the Colourizer at the end there.

S~V~S wrote:And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

My post was a couple of things. It was an explanation of a suspicion and a compliment. It was a promise. It was a defense. At the bottom, it was a humourous observation.

What it was not was a case. I'm VERY interested in how you read this post and say that it's just "wrong", and how you could call it a case.

You didn't read it, you're just paying it lip service. You obviously have something going on besides actually reading the thread completely, but to react so dishonestly is seriously suspicious. You could have said "LC, I've been so busy, I need to go back and really read your post", but you didn't. I was actually not too invested in the idea that you are the Top, but I'm pretty damn sure now that you are bad. Like the lynch of Bass 1.0, behaviour is very revealing, and you are undeniably trying to be deceptive with me.

Here's my post, for the record.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Because I'm acting like a total yutz this game, and people who know better say I'm the baddie? I think I did one good thing this game, I will find out end game (maybe 2) but for the most part, i have sucked. Timmer has been poking at me since he subbed in, LC has been insinuating in my direction (and insinuating LC is bad LC, imo) most of the game, and then MP comes in and says things that he knows will get my Irish up, and basically says, "This is how *I* am interpreting the game. If you don't like it, lynch me". Awesome.

I think you're looking at my suspicion of you in the entirely wrong way. It is nothing but a compliment that I suspect you first of this, I think you're clever enough to put a plan like this in motion, that's all. Between that, and the fact that the "participants" in this plot are all people you are close to as longtime Mafia friends, I think you owe me at least an acknowledgement that it's not unusual that I am looking in your direction.

I also think it was an overreaction to a temporary vote. But I'mma let that slide because you have had a stressful weekend. I promise I never have, and never will, attempt to use your life complications as a Mafia strategy - I swear the timing of it was unrelated.

I just want to address "insinuating in your direction" as well. I'm trying to think of what you mean by that. I can only recall mentioning you once before, when I was suspecting Roxy, Bass 2.0, Aces, and you of some nefarious dealings. Well, it turns out Aces was pretty bad, Roxy and Bass are possibly good, possibly not. I don't think that I was insinuating in your direction, you were just someone who was part of a group of people that had sketchy-looking stuff going on (namely, Roxy's vouch for Aces, Bass' vouches, etc). I'm fine with "insinuating LC is bad LC", whether that's true or not, because I don't think I've been particularly "insinuating" in this game.

We did not get a role reveal on Roxy. I would prefer to have some control over my contribution to the game in this way. I would rather by lynched today than NKed tonight. So then even though I have sucked seriously as a civvie (yes, MP, I said the "C" word), my death will have some value this way. If someone I actually suspect looks to be lynched, I will consider changing my vote that way.

Dude, this is so bullz' shtick. Come on, you know this.

RIP MP, that totally sucks. You could have been the great unifier, I can't believe you would be pushing for an LMS-style game when you had the role that was the most Civvie-aligned Indy. I'm with MM, I still say he was mind-controlled. Especially leaving his vote on himself in the end.

Well, I'm going to work right now. I'll be back in a few hours, hopefully to see a result!

Good luck, human sacrifices!

MovingPictures07 wrote:A tie?!?!?!

I better die.

I couldn't let you go that easy, man!

thellama73 wrote:Hahaha, that was awesome.

What a lynch. I wonder how soon we will see a result? Someone turn on the Rearranger-Signal!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, that's assuming that New Rogues establish BTSC. I firmly believe they can only do so via the map, otherwise would be OP. But fair enough.

And stubborn is my middle name. :P

I also thought that MP brought up a good point here. It may or may not be true, but the idea sounds reasonable to me.

And you know who had BTSC early on in the game via the map? timmer, TH, and DH (DH was killed by Captain Cold too).

I thought Blacksmith was their main path to baddie BTSC. Do you think they can do it through the map as well?

This lynch really ran away from a few points. For instance, there's the Bass claim that Roxy was Captain Cold, and that Llama should check her, but then the night passed and Llama didn't trust Bass still. Maybe his role was blocked or deflected somehow, maybe tonight he'll check Roxy. I know he's playing it close to the vest, so it could be that he's protecting Bass by suspecting Bass, just as easily.

There's also Llama's suspicion of Rabbit, which carries some weight because of the Piper's ability (prone to error though it seems to be).

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Long Con wrote:OK, between Timmer and MP07, I think Timmer is more likely to be a New Rogue. The things MP has said have not given me a baddie read, he's just really convinced that the game is a certain way.

Timmer jumped on the MP vote train full steam ahead, and has raised my eyebrow for trying to get cred for the Bass lynch more than once. So I'll vote there, tying it at 5-5 between MP and Timmer, and let the gods decide their fate.

Linki: I mean 6-6 now

Okay I like you again LC

Sweet.

No Bass vote is odd... DREAM, Soneji, Rabbit... less odd.

OK, between Timmer and MP07, I think Timmer is more likely to be a New Rogue. The things MP has said have not given me a baddie read, he's just really convinced that the game is a certain way.

Timmer jumped on the MP vote train full steam ahead, and has raised my eyebrow for trying to get cred for the Bass lynch more than once. So I'll vote there, tying it at 5-5 between MP and Timmer, and let the gods decide their fate.

Linki: I mean 6-6 now

Oh, it's DREAM... on the assumption that a replacement player is a killer?

I'll go Soneji if that's happening!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why don't I ever get a village idiot role? I'd actually win a game with that one, with how often I self-destruct in mafia games.

If only we could Like posts on here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, wait, you mean I should adapt.

Fuck that, I'm voting myself.

DIE MOVINGPICTURES07

LOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Too hilarious!

Linki: Now THAT'S more like it!

MovingPictures07 wrote:DO NOT TRUST LIST:
1. FZ.
2. Turnip Head
3. Long Con
4. Other non-participating bastards

Lynch them please.

MP, say it ain't so!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also don't want to make this game NOT fun or less fun for everyone else. Hence, if the majority of players in this game are lynching and suspecting based on a totally different understanding than I am, and I am impeding those players' fun by going on about my nonsense, then due to reason 1) above, I don't see why I should continue playing.

But I'm a SEVERE mafia addict, so I always incredibly resist lynching myself, especially when it so insanely directly contradicts my win condition.

There's a solution - you adapt to the game you are playing and formulate a strategy to win within those conditions. Can you adapt, MP? BR and I adapted in the Monopoly game, we had many long discussions on how to go about winning, and it was not at all the kind of game we were used to playing.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Either way, thanks for hosting, MR. I am glad I got to play after all, if I do die now. I really need to listen to my self-discipline portion of my brain instead of the masochistic portion, so I'll just check in later after I KNOW the result is over to see if I've died.

I'm voting FZ. I trust her the least right now by far.

I also don't trust LC.