The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.

Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:41 pm But really though how can niju not be bad

Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:22 pm MacDougall and Jackofhearts2005

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

I felt quite the opposite to this Jack. It's a perfectly natural reaction from DDL to Jay spew.

Mac gave Jack shit about his DDL read. This doesn't mean much to me.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:57 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:21 pm Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

I'd like to hear more about your Jay and Jack suspicions.

Generic prod about Jack and I. This doesn't mean much to me.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.

Mac brought this out again. He's clearly shading Jack. It isn't substantial pressure. I'm not moved.

Mac sticks Jack in the red pile in his rainbow -- this seems extreme given the soft accusations preceding it. I think Mac felt like he needed another red and just figured Jack was the best fit. That's decent for Jack. Mac griped about anime gifs too as if that matters.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:18 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:06 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:04 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack thinks juliets/Mac is spicy but doesn't necessarily agree with it.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 pm We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.

I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.

And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.

Jack is cranky that Spacedaisy didn't mention Mac and ties that into his theory about her and juliets. I think Mac is an incidental piece here and not meaningful. There's a bunch of other shit about this that I am not going to include.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.

If it makes you feel better, I’ve liked most of DDL’s posts since then.

Jack's response to Mac's gripe was weak, so it's a soft exchange on both sides. That's not my favorite thing. More

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:31 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.

“Mac’s not getting lynched today.”

Oh?

Jack questions whether one of my beefs with Mac is spicy -- okay

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:18 pm The reason I ask is this:

When there is a highly active Day 1, and a variety of reads/wagons/initiatives are revolving around the discussion without a good inspiration for confidence (I think we're close to that now), lynching a less-active player is usually a good idea. As it stands my strongest suspicion is on MacDougall. I acknowledge that it isn't rock solid shite, but I haven't seen a single rock solid case in this thread yet. Refer to the last 25% of the video in my signature for more information.

Are you classifying Mac as less active?

This is a bit defensive implicitly.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:24 pm Go on and vote Mac, Daisy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:27 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:25 pm I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.

*scribbles aggressively*

This might be a nice moment. I don't care much that Jack challenged Daisy to vote Mac specifically, but rather that it seems to me that Jack's focus genuinely is on Daisy -- this would indicate he isn't as concerned with Mac's demise as he is with Daisy's activity (not the case if he's Mac's teammate).

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:43 pm Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?

Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.

I don't really care that Jack moved his vote with me here. It was never likely to result in a lynch; it was a last-second why-not thing.

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Conclusion: It's a dirty record at times with Jack. It seems like it always is. He plays in a manner which inherently attracts dirt, to his credit. He should answer to the gripes that exist here. Gun to my head, he's not Mac's teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:42 pm MacDougall and juliets

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:42 pm I am trying to make heads or tails of this mac juliets weirdness and nope.

If the weirdness was true I'd expect more dissociative effort than this.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:09 pm Mac, any reads you have to share would be appreciated.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:44 am I like juliets. I feel like she is involved more so than usual. I am not entirely sure why that would be but I don't think it is in a bad way and I don't really want to discourage it. I'd give her a light green skittle (if I had skittles to give).

This read was more transparently fake, because it was based on a non-existent observation -- that juliets was "more involved than usual". I think Mac had established an agenda for pocketing in this game, so this could be another example. I can't say I care for the overt fakeness though.

The read was only worth a light green in the rainbow list. Fart.

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juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

SPICY.

I don't care about this.

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:27 pm Jay, what is the reason you think Mac hasn't given a definitive read on you? I'm trying to see how that makes him potentially bad.

lots of linki

juliets sought better understanding of my suspicion of Mac. I have no beef with that.

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:42 pm What isn't genuine about his civilian reads? The DDL one was something prompted from their interactions, and felt like natural conversation especially considering its context (The Firefly game).

He wrote a novella to explain why he read DDL as a civilian. I don't believe that was necessary, and I don't believe that's how MacDougall operates. He was similar in his handling of dunya. He technically called me light green, but I haven't the faintest idea why -- his read on me doesn't exist. He said he liked juliets because she is "more involved than usual" (no she isn't?). He loved Kites for his big reads post, which is such an easy thing to say.

Bleh.

Ok here's what I see. I initially liked his posts about DDL and I really liked his reads wall (even tho I didn't agree with everything) because he was explaining why he had the reads he did. Looking back over it though what strikes me is he never does this. He usually just throws out reads with no backup whatsoever and when people question him he ignores it or responds negatively. But is this indicative of a bad Mac or just a style change? I need to look at a bad Mac game, anyone know a recent one?

lots of linki

This post follows a rather typical formula that is sometimes ugly:

I liked _____ before, but now I will say something in support of your suspicion of _____

At face value I don't care for that. I do appreciate though that juliets's gripe was unique to her: that Mac's reads list was plain off-meta regardless of authenticity.

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Conclusion: I think a case can be made against juliets. I don't really want to though. I don't struggle to separate her from Mac and the claim remains (I believe her).

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:18 pm Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.