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I would gladly take the yeet here if it meant we could go back in time and listen to you in the GoC.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:30 pmIt's a no. Remember when I said we should yeet Alison to not lose the GoC?
I'm saying don't yeet LC cause he's town.
As it is, Syn, what's your beef?Me?Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:56 pmGood Job Marmot!Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:53 pm Also, the reason I claimed today is a couple reasons
1) I'm POE'd so I'm just going to get that out of the way.
2) Gavial is already an outed tracker, so the mafia has to either kill him tonight, giving me two shots, or kill me tonight, giving him another track, but giving me 1 shot at least.
Thank you bro!
Glad you were PoE as PR it helps a FUCK TON!
Now the question remains is if Long Con/JJJ kills me or you tonight.
I could be misremembering, I guess.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:57 pmOkay. That runs counter to what LC suggested, so I'd appreciate anyone else giving me a perspective here. It might be an eye-of-the-beholder thing.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:54 pmHe was D1. Game state felt like either him or Falcon to be yeeted from my point of view.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:21 pm Can anyone tell me whether Long Con was ever a viable wagon on Day 1 or the start of Day 2?
Marmot claimed vig now, so hey. But maybe stupid reason to clear him: He immediately followed Invictius on his RVS vote on me. Yeah, Marmot is maybe a player who would do that, most teammates would probably spread votes. But if Marmot is actually vig, then we're golden anyway.
...what. I missed that.
I think it was only Invictus that scum read me, I think I had mostly Town reads going on.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:21 pm Can anyone tell me whether Long Con was ever a viable wagon on Day 1 or the start of Day 2?
Calm down, I just want to be reminded of why you are townread. Do you not even know?
I typed up that last post before I saw your last post.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:40 pmIf you're town, I hope you'll consider whether you're engaging in confirmation bias. I'm JaggedJimmyJay. I solve. This is how I have replaced into games for years, especially when a mafioso is already confirmed for me to work with -- it's much more useful to me than reading a thread front-to-back and trying to grasp context a week late.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:28 pm I don't want you to be cranky. I just saw you putting the great effort in, and hat it meant to me was "if anyone can save this doomed team, it's me, I'll dive right into Real Solving and change all the minds!" Which is of course the right move of a skilled player, and respectable, I just thought I owed you the truth.
What I would most appreciate is at least a cursory look at my TL;DR conclusions. I am not mafia, and that means much of the prevailing POE is flawed for at least one slot. I have a unique advantage from that posture of being able to solve without dealing with solving JJJ. This means I am likely to derive suspect(s) other people don't have. So let's talk about them. How about Tony -- please tell me what you think of Tony.
What new developments? We have confident townreads and a sure red check, and the logic of those things led to the same place that I was already going.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:08 pmI looked back at Alison's references to Gavial to determine what you're referring to. Is this the post that you're saying felt fake:Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:09 am @JaggedJimmyJay I suspected Alison for a too-obvious move on Day 1 where she suspected Gavial and then resolved it and found him town. It felt fake. Then Gavial did some POE analysis and the conclusion was Alison and Marmot as Invictus' teammates, and that felt oh so right, considering that Marmot was my other suspect already for some reasons you can find in my ISO. I don't remember offhand, just got up and my mind is a little fuzzy, plus the two simultaneous games with a lot of player crossover is deadly to me.
If not, which post? If so, what about this progression is "too obvious", or otherwise is there something contextual that leads you to that assessment of fakeness? I see that your initial view was mafia teammates -- something already debunked. It'd be super to get more clarity on your thought process given new developments.
I don't want you to be cranky. I just saw you putting the great effort in, and hat it meant to me was "if anyone can save this doomed team, it's me, I'll dive right into Real Solving and change all the minds!" Which is of course the right move of a skilled player, and respectable, I just thought I owed you the truth.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:12 pmJJJ's getting cranky. I've gotten a couple of these replies already.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:34 am Your analysis is fine. Thank you. You're still getting yeeted.
"Thanks for analysis, okay. Still, die."
I don't care about being thanked for doing things. I care about receiving feedback for the actual conclusions I have drawn, whether people agree with me or don't, and what specific points they feel need further discussion or reassessment etc. This is how I mean to incorporate myself into the Mafia game, and if I am not even given that respect then every civilian involved with that treatment is doing the team a disservice. Folks can suspect me without discarding me. That's not okay. I realize not everyone has done so, but at least three players have to my count.
I still see fingersplints as the old friend who didn't play Mafia for years, and has only just recently come back. I would most likely not consider killing her on night 1 for that reason.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:41 amDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:09 am Nah, spf is town, cause it makes sense that Plat would try to out all pts and find some kind of glory in that. If spf was a teammate, her doing the fake outing would render Plat's fishing useless. I also believe spf wouldn't town read Plat first thing on D1 if they were scum together.
Hollow town, Nanook town, LC town. I don't get why Tony is cleared, but he's likely town from trying to distract away from two possible town meets (Falcon and LC) last phase, cause he wouldn't have to do that as scum. Depending on how much scum was threatened, but yeah.
Marmot is probably scum tbh. And could definitely be Alison too. I don't love Alison going for lhf Falcon when she said she could've read him if he stayed in the game. And I didn't love her play overall. I'll check interactions with Plat later, but I think Alison called him town after some other people had done it.
Interaction stuff later. Good job, Gavial. And well played, Plat. You passed me for sure.
I didn't care for it either, which is why I looked into Long Con as a potential save attempt from her. But I came away townreading Long Con, so if she's scum, she probably didn't have much incentive to make that move.
That said, I'm a still slightly torn on Long Con, because fingersplints isn't the kill I would've expected, and Long Con is the first person I would think to do that.
Plus his last post before the yeet was up is SUUUUUUPER-wolfy.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:09 pminvictius would know the roles handed out by wolves, he claims vig hoping to out the vig he knows exists. nanook playing like there's no vig in play is a derp, but it's fine b/c he's most likely townLong Con wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:07 pmHow is that a derp?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:06 pmderp deniedNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:03 pm Uh I guess I should also put out there that if there's a third role that isn't vig you should out tomorrow cause it outs spf
I'm assuming there isn't and spf is still town but just in case there's someone out there unsure what to doSpoiler: show
Ah, logical. Cool.How is that a derp?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:06 pmderp deniedNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:03 pm Uh I guess I should also put out there that if there's a third role that isn't vig you should out tomorrow cause it outs spf
I'm assuming there isn't and spf is still town but just in case there's someone out there unsure what to doSpoiler: show
WTF is this crap? So, because I was getting a few votes, I'm a wolf now? Somehow connected to falcon being yeeted, can you explain that connection please? This is wolfy. You are mafia.It was a mood. The mood was "fuck this then."Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:48 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pmChill buddy even I know that much and I’ve read 70 percent of the threadLong Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pmYeah, that could be.DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pmor that could just be their personality...Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pmWhat do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?
like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lolYou seem to know. Do you know too much? You seem to know I'm town and that gavial's town. [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine
why did you back off so easily here LC?
Very nice. Yes.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:03 pmi might be gullible but i find it kind of villagery for nanook to go out of his way to craft a townread on someone based on their misunderstanding of the setup, all while saying: "no more townslips about the setup will be accepted", while inadvertently basing their read on a misunderstanding of how the setup worksNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:55 pm Oh maybe I should read the setup, they know what roles there are but not who has them
Nvm that read then
this is such a convoluted thought process for nanook to have that im tempted to call it villager indicative
[VOTE: invictus] aubergine
So? I thought we were bros.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:30 pmFalcon was also townInvictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:37 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:58 pm i'd way rather chop lc then falcon for secret reasonswhy would you want to chop town?
But not surprised about falcon??
Who's Glavial?
Ok, final answer then: [VOTE:
dkkoba] aubergineThat's not much of a townslip.
Were you mechanically silenced?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:26 pm Oh good I can post again
Tsp has successfully pocketed me
Yeah, that could be.DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pmor that could just be their personality...Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pmWhat do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?
like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lol
You seem to know. Do you know too much? You seem to know I'm town and that gavial's town. [VOTE:
dkkoba] aubergineWhat is the gav translator thing?
What's the point or that? It's just what Nanook wants us to do.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pmNot everyone’s throwing a tantrum about Nanook. If more people were doing it it’d be nice tbhfingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:16 pmWhat is your gth reads on everyone then? Most people have a decent amount of content. Should be fairly easy to get a pretty strong read, right?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:10 pmI think it’s fairly easy to get a pretty strong read there even at this point in thread, right? What’s the reason for caution?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:07 amgth? town. i don't really know yet, though. it's too early
What do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?
like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lol
Fine. [VOTE: fingersplints] auberginefingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:17 pmThis made me uncomfortableLong Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:14 pmI'm going to also [VOTE: gavial] aubergine.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:08 pm Actually I’m doing it. [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine I want to understand! Come back please
I'm going to also [VOTE: gavial] aubergine.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:08 pm Actually I’m doing it. [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine I want to understand! Come back please
And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.
Hey, I play a lot of games, it doesn't mean I memorize them.DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:40 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:32 pmI'm happy to be
cleared, it's true
Maybe someday
We can clear you
I think the way you were pushing falcon for not yet voting you was scummy. False bravado.
It's a regular thing he does in order to make the game harder for the rest of us for no reason other than bad attitude.
you LITERALLY played aginst scum me and this is vastly different from that game, an initial impression of me being scum is actually extremely odd from that pov.
I'm happy to be
I think the way you were pushing falcon for not yet voting you was scummy. False bravado.
It's a regular thing he does in order to make the game harder for the rest of us for no reason other than bad attitude.
BAM! I forgot about that, *yet another* piece of evidence that the Player Salad tell is a real one.fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:13 pm I hate “salad” suspicion.
LC called me out on it in Fargo mafia, and that game he was right and I’ll never hear the end of it. But generally I focus on a few suspicions and am just non committed with my lesser ideas so I don’t think it’s a good tell for everyone.
That's the way things go these days, like a six-episode miniseries and done.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:16 pmIt’s like three hours in that’s a pretty fast redemption arc
I just felt it was, like, a genuine thought to explore - if someone chooses to continue fluffing instead of getting involved people find it suspicious as fluff is something scum can hide behind instead of having to engage in the actual content of the game, you know? However, Invictus could be right, nook is pretty experienced, and most wolves are self-aware enough to know to get somewhat involved. I'm not that great at reading Nanook anyway.fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:57 pmI do understand that, but LC put that comment out there without giving any real stance on it. For town, could be a genuine thought to explorers. For mafia could be a way to casually start up suspicion on someone who could be an easy lynch. So I was hoping to hear him clarify his thoughts more to see which I believed him to be.Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 pmhi
i shouldn't answer for them but i havent interacted with you yet so i will!
if someone chooses to continue fluffing instead of getting involved people find it suspicious as fluff is something scum can hide behind instead of having to engage in the actual content of the game
that said my understanding is nook is pretty experienced and most wolves are self-aware enough to know to get somewhat involved so they don't look bad whereas town are more apathetic to it. it looks similar to my experience with nook so i think it's kinda towny, but i have no idea what his scum game is like.
jk