The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:48 pm All right.

LoRab said this:

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:37 pm This post pinged my suspiciometer:

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm I just realized that one of the advantages that I have in this game so far,(and it's a big one for people like JJJ,)is the fact that I have zero history playing this, (without any help at least.)

The reason I used JJJ as an example is because from what I understand, his play style revolves around comparing people from past experiences, such as being Mafia from a previous game.

From what I understand, JJJ can't seem to get a good read on me. Because at first he was accusing and/or questioning me.

However since my most recent large post, (about JJJ throwing crap at people,) he suddenly started to suspect me less, which I don't understand. But if I wrote it well, then fine, ok sure.

But from recent replies, people were already likely to figure that out sooner or later, so again, I don't know how a single Post can change so much about wether you trust someone or not.
Too much reminding us that he’s inexperienced and mentions this in other posts, as well. It feels a lot like nope, not me, don’t kill the newbie. It just didn’t sit right with me.
Simon actually responded:

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:40 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:49 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:37 pm This post pinged my suspiciometer:

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm I just realized that one of the advantages that I have in this game so far,(and it's a big one for people like JJJ,)is the fact that I have zero history playing this, (without any help at least.)

The reason I used JJJ as an example is because from what I understand, his play style revolves around comparing people from past experiences, such as being Mafia from a previous game.

From what I understand, JJJ can't seem to get a good read on me. Because at first he was accusing and/or questioning me.

However since my most recent large post, (about JJJ throwing crap at people,) he suddenly started to suspect me less, which I don't understand. But if I wrote it well, then fine, ok sure.

But from recent replies, people were already likely to figure that out sooner or later, so again, I don't know how a single Post can change so much about wether you trust someone or not.
Too much reminding us that he’s inexperienced and mentions this in other posts, as well. It feels a lot like nope, not me, don’t kill the newbie. It just didn’t sit right with me.
You wanted a reply from me, well here I am.

And yeah, the more I think about it after reading this post, the more annoying I sound in this regard. But on the other hand I was also stating that was still inexperienced for not knowing what kind of behavior I would see from different players, in which I would later figure out.

If you also want me to shut up about it, I will. There's no real point in rubbing it in, especially if people already know about this.
not a matter of annoying. You’re not. It’s a matter of you looking bad.
Rather than take the opportunity to dig into Simon's thoughts, ask questions, get to know him, LoRab votes him and leaves it at him looking bad.

To me that looks bad.

Yoooo, not bad, join me on dis here Lorab vote if ya wanna!

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:12 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve
Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?
I did think he showed some urgency in his other posts. You could argue the vote lacks urgency though, sure.

Tony said earlier that he refused to vote falcon. I think LoRab is probably the only viable alternative under the circumstances unless he changes his mind about that.

Jesus, ok, then I'll vote Lorab so that option is apparent. You still think it's Epi?

I'm voting falcon again. [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

If I have to vote somewhere else because the sky is falling, I'll be here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:20 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:11 pm I tell you this most truthfully: that "let's be towncore" talk was real and genuine, and I was excited to build on the game from that point. It is certainly not a usual thing I do, but I felt good about it.
So why'd you boot me out first?
Didn't that happen after you said it was me and Jay? Maybe I am guilty. I thought it was over when you said that.
I don't think I agreed to being in the town core.

You were in my core because I believed in YOU.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:12 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

I mean, falcon is voting for Lorab right now. Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:14 pm Since I did my own look at Lorab's ISO, have have a different viewpoint that recognizes the possibility of some simple distancing between Lorab and falcon that could be team-indicative.
It's not impossible. It'd be very valuable if you could pull out a post or two that guides you toward that conclusion.

Well, you can see when they voted for each other. It never became a threat, falcon said his Lorab vote was more for participation-pushing at one point, though he never directly responded when she asked why his vote was on her. As far as I could tell.

Like I said before, I saw nothing from Lorab that she's not capable of while Wolfing, and I was looking for it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:11 pm I tell you this most truthfully: that "let's be towncore" talk was real and genuine, and I was excited to build on the game from that point. It is certainly not a usual thing I do, but I felt good about it.
So why'd you boot me out first?

Didn't that happen after you said it was me and Jay?

Maybe I am guilty. I thought it was over when you said that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:03 pm You've addressed things in my posts that you have taken issue with, Epignosis, so I don't need to see that expanded on. But it'd be useful to know why you think LC is the other one.
The "Let's be towncore" rubbed me the wrong way. You seem gleefully excited to finish the game on me, and LC doesn't seem to mind following suit.

That's my assessment of Day 4.
I have had the same thought about him a few times amid my turbulence. @Long Con could stand to describe what it was that sold him on an Epi vote.

Also, Epi, what do you think of falcon?
I'd have to look. Falcon is like LoRab for me. Same dynamic.

There are certain people who do a great job of "being" and there's no way around it until one of the teammates gets got. That hasn't happened yet. I can look back through falcon's posts, but I don't think I'm going to be able to tell you anything discerning. Don't mind trying since you asked.

When I look at them with the idea that he's a Wolf, it was striking how Wolfy it looked. Take that as you will.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:03 pm You've addressed things in my posts that you have taken issue with, Epignosis, so I don't need to see that expanded on. But it'd be useful to know why you think LC is the other one.
The "Let's be towncore" rubbed me the wrong way. You seem gleefully excited to finish the game on me, and LC doesn't seem to mind following suit.

That's my assessment of Day 4.
I have had the same thought about him a few times amid my turbulence. @Long Con could stand to describe what it was that sold him on an Epi vote.

Also, Epi, what do you think of falcon?

Your antipairing thing with Lorab seemed to shift her to the Towny side just a bit more, and your pointing out the lack of interaction between Epi and falcon made it seem like they had to be it. The agreeability of some others to an Epi elimination led me to vote for consolidation, as we discussed earlier.

Since I did my own look at Lorab's ISO, have have a different viewpoint that recognizes the possibility of some simple distancing between Lorab and falcon that could be team-indicative.

I tell you this most truthfully: that "let's be towncore" talk was real and genuine, and I was excited to build on the game from that point. It is certainly not a usual thing I do, but I felt good about it.

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Epi is always working hard.

Oh, snap, if things get too stressful here, why not bust a rhyme at the new Lyricists' Lounge?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:19 pm I mean I know he was one of the First Born, did not take part in the kinslayings, and the Valar sent him back to Middle Earth after he died

What am I missing?

Our own unique Syndicate cat: Glorfindel

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:00 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:10 am He's not Glorfindel. Jesus.

@Simon Why did your team kill Scotty?

Do you?

He defeated a Balrog during the Fall of Gondolin, you bet yer ass I do

Are you being coy? Do you know that this is still not a full understanding? I forgot about this wonderful reference.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:12 pm @Long Con present view of LoRab?

Your arguments of unpairing were good, I thought. She could still be bad. Lemme glance at her now.

I can't count her out. I didn't see anything in her ISO that's out of her Wolf range. Falcon/Lorab team with a little bit of distancing by Lorab? I am sure she knows that trick. Epi might be the patsy... he votes Lorab for Epi reasons and then falcon jumps on to distance, then Lorab turns it around with a light distance vote later on.

I could see it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:32 pm I hope LC is town, because that is so wise.

I hope you wouldn't dare butter me up like that as a Wolf, especially after I stated my never-rescind Town read on you. I would not appreciate... the smugness of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:26 pm @TonyStarkPrime I will lock this vote today if you cannot be here tomorrow. I’d only change if forced by self-preservation.

Yeah, I'm there as well, if we need early cohesion, then count on my Epi vote.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:29 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:26 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:13 pm @Long Con do you have an initial take on my view of Epignosis?
Could be him and falc. I'll have to read him over with your words in mind.

Is there ever a world for you where Jay is Maf?

What's your read on his slot right now?

I fully believe Jay is Town, and I hope if I'm wrong that everyone else can be smarter than me and vote for him. There's no room at all in my view of the game for me to pull a 180 on this opinion. I have committed to it fully, because I don't think Jay as a Wolf is gonna be so hand-wringing and doomposting as he has consistently been. It's unbecoming, and I don't think Jay was ever in a desperate enough situation as a Wolf to resort to it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:43 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:39 pm I'm very likely to vote falcon.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:40 pm Why not? [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Why did you feel the need to say this?

I ask since you've had no issue voting for me in previous RDs, but you're acting here as tho it's a new idea to you

Then the "why not?" bit makes it seem as tho it's a carefree, afterthought kinda vote...despite you having me as a SR for awhile now

Because it's so early in the Day phase. I don't usually place what I consider my final vote so early, because I guess I prefer to move the vote around a bit to stir it up more while the Day is still long.

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine I agree this should be a hit.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:38 am Possibly cause they look to the father for reads, and he subtly stops it some amount of the time

Any other case studies besides this one to back it up?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:15 am Epi has not given a single shit who has been eliminated any day phase. Look at his posts. He does not care. He has flirted with plenty votes himself on various candidates to be eliminated (at least including both Abigails, Simon, LoRab, and myself). The standout frequent wagons that he never contributed to nor acknowledged whatsoever were the falcon wagons.
I admire you for playing the game the way it is supposed to be played.

It's true that I have not given a single shit.

Look at my posts.

I do not care.

I flirted with plenty votes.

The sad thing is I will not be in a position to care or flirt further, given that it is Friday night.

Good job JJJ.

Good job Long Con.

Child killing bastards.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:37 pm LoRab is only mafia if she is with Long Con. While it's not conclusive, I think their interactions suggest otherwise. Maybe we just clear LoRab here too.

That would be unexpected and very welcome.

Does a Wolf JJJ try so hard to secure clears? Not in my estimation.

I agree that she doesn't pair well with the top suspects.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:13 pm @Long Con do you have an initial take on my view of Epignosis?

Could be him and falc. I'll have to read him over with your words in mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:54 pm I also totally forgot about TSP in the above.

Do we think we have two independents? If not he has to be mafia right?

I could also see him being one to do a gambit with Wilgy
I don't believe he is independent. I think he was trying to draw a kill instead of Kagemusha. If he is independent, then whatever. I'm not voting for him.

He didn't need to make up a story to avoid being voted, as he was already generally Townread, right? You might be right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:39 pm I'm very likely to vote falcon.
I am in a similar place, if only for Wilgy's sake. Let me know if you agree with my assessment that he is a bad fit with LoRab.

I am willing to accept it.

Why not? [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I'm very likely to vote falcon.

Having any reasonable reason to believe someone is Town is enough to put them out of the running at this point of course.

Tony being the most alert to the rules and the Shingen everything disqualifies him from being eliminated ever, due to the blunderkill.

We have all agreed sig = Town from the get-go, and I will admit it was about "I'm not cliché voting sig out early" for me back then. Is there something crucial about him that sets him apart, like Tony?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:20 pm If Tony is mafia, I lose.
If sig is mafia, I lose.

Four others with 2-3 mafia in them. Epignosis, Long Con, LoRab, falcon45ca

I'll revisit the association dynamics in this smaller set and see what is most viable. And then sig will vote me out with his pecs glistening, and the game will end.

Ok, if we need anchors, I'm fine with sig and Tony. And you. And include me, dude I am Town.

Did Epi slay his final child?

7 players, yeet a Wolf, 4-2. kill 2 Town, 2-2 parity. Three wolves, it's done now.

Seven players, homie. Two mafia guaranteed.

Not a surprise after the small but significant defense he gave of Abigail Sophia.

I hope he's bad, and that it exonerates falcon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:54 pm I would hope.

If not, we can have a jolly LOL together as the Town goes down.

LOL not that it made a difference. Now it's 4-2-2.

I'll move back to Simon though, because this level of participation will become a complication as the herd is thinned. [VOTE: Simon] aubergine

I would hope that Shingen would take care of himself a little better, so I can handle Simon or Lorab as "safe".

At least Lorab voted.

Simon and Lorab both are not here to say anything.

Not me. I'm in my prime.

Maybe no one will die.

Washed? In what context?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:48 pm Why did you have to move off Simon?
See the gif above.

I am just shaky about voting alongside falcon and LoRab and where's another wagon on someone in my POE pool featuring two people I have an easier time trusting. I'm open to the Simon option. I might swap again. I dunno.

I said before that every vote feels like guessing in this game, and that is still true.

Lorab is the only "safe" vote you're willing to vote at this time, as she voted for AS.

Why did you have to move off Simon?

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