The Syndicate

@Lime Coke Seriously though, what is it with you and Porscha? The time for whimsical friendship is over, what's your real analysis of her stuff?

Thank you, those are all agreeable points.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:46 pm I don’t want to chop any of the kids today

And you made a graphical point to say that it's not because you don't suspect any of them are wolves? Is your unwillingness to chop any of them based on some level of sympathy?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:13 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:11 pm ok not simon the most anymore
So you believe there are most likely zero Hydra or Indy roles in those three?

Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant when you said "all of them the least."

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:11 pm ok not simon the most anymore

So you believe there are most likely zero Hydra or Indy roles in those three?

Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:53 pm Does anyone else think that Loki's power had anything to do with the leetic/SVS switcheroo?

I don't think we would have found out leetics role. And I don't think he would have died at all if that were the case.

Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:53 pm Does anyone else think that Loki's power had anything to do with the leetic/SVS switcheroo?

Simon wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:43 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:27 pm [VOTE: Motobot] aubergine

Here until I see anything else worth voting.

Otherwise I'm not doing much this day phase. I got my townreads list up so any questions go ahead and ping.
But why the accusation against Moto?

Who do you think would be a better option?

Which of the three Epi-spawn would you like to yeet the most? The least?

Yes, I've been in a game where I was one of the only non recruits left and I was running around like an idiot.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:01 pm Well I don't think Vision's power is to add Fred, Yusuf, Joanna, Carl, Jason, and Xinghua to the poll.
Not what I meant. Rather, why does making names appear necessarily mean on the poll?

Because contextually within the role description that makes the most sense. What other possibilities are you considering?

Well I don't think Vision's power is to add Fred, Yusuf, Joanna, Carl, Jason, and Xinghua to the poll.

Yeah, my mafia buddies and I also want to know what happens if vision takes the poll down to 4-6 players and ihow t interacts with Loki's power.

Hey, my name does have a space yall.

To the Wolves:

Hi guys. Long Con here. Remember that if Thanos is recruiting, he might have already taken one of your guys.

Only leetic can fix that for you. Let's leave him alive.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:39 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think more likely that neither indy kills at this point. And that hydra kills nightly.

Also, you seem super obsessed with this recruiting idea--which we don't actually know is a thing.
You are in hyperbole mode right now.
Hyperbole is an excellent rhetorical device.

I don't trust it. I see it as someone trying to give their words more gravitas than they deserve, which strikes me as agenda-driven.

If there is no recruitment, then what other factors can change a player's win condition?

Note that leetic's Nick Fury role contains this ability: "You are loyal to your cause. You cannot change your win condition. Instead, you can target someone each Night and convince that person to return to his or her original win condition."

Maybe I'm super supremo ultra obsessive compulsive about this... but I'd have to be convinced there's NOT recruitnig happening in this game, based on this role description.

How did leetic come back to life, and was S~V~S an exchange, or an unrelated regular nightkill?

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think more likely that neither indy kills at this point. And that hydra kills nightly.

Also, you seem super obsessed with this recruiting idea--which we don't actually know is a thing.

You are in hyperbole mode right now.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.
Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds
So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.
I think it is a terrible and dangerous assumption to make that the indy roles don't have secret powers that didn't appear in the OP.

I think that is too alarmist, but there's probably other things. I've already decided Thanos is recruiting, so if you have something worse than that then you can go Chicken Little about it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:25 pm The thing says "If Hydra is eliminated" so I don't think 3P kills yet until all mafs are gone?

Sounds like Deadpool takes over Hydra's kills, which means that Thanos(' team) kills odd nights.... OR Hydra kills every night, and Thanos goes odd and Deadpool goes even after they are gone.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 6:47 pm It seems the roles of Black Widow (tracker), Doctor Doom (rolecop), and Deadpool have been partially revealed in the OP. Deadpool seems like a hostile ITP, so I wouldn't trust them, though wolves are still a more pertinent threat.

Seems like Deadpool isn't a threat until the Wolves are all dead. So Thanos or Deadpool, or both, have a win con that Town must defeat. Thanos is more likely, I'd say. He's probably recruiting a team of him plus two, to balance with Hydra?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 pm I suspect Thanos kills on odds

So Thanos probably killed Wilgy. So, Porscha is Thanos because she was incredibly insistent it wasn't Wolves.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:16 pm Leetic, are you allowed to tell who you had BTSC with?

Are you going to save us from the recruited players?

Are you resurrected as a Thqanos recruit?
I'm not allowed to tell my actions or results. As for the third question, read my role PM.

Pffff, I knew that AT LEAST 25 seconds before you said it.

We are safe from leetic being a recruit. His win condition cannot change!

Leetic, are you allowed to tell who you had BTSC with?

Are you going to save us from the recruited players?

Are you resurrected as a Thqanos recruit?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:25 pm Ok back go being sus on Michelle as well

I had a complete gut intuition deep ping on Michelle, but probably not for the same reason you have.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:22 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:29 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:32 am @Roxy in response to what you asked me about wilgy

and tsp can read this too, if he's able

I simply have reasons to believe that there are a lot of power roles in play (this is a reason we should all believe, in fact,) and that while I think it's okay to assume a possible world where wilgy was the target of the nk from wolves, it should not be fully assumed as the truth because mechanics cannot be outed in thread

so what i'm trying to say is that we should be utilizing a balancing act in how much we believe a theory that cannot actually be proven true or false

if leetic had btsc with wilgy last night and believed he was town, then sure, that's something I am willing to assume is more likely than not (as I am proposing in how we should approach all things of this nature in the game) and I wasn't here for end of day cuz workscha so I took brad's conviction at more than face value since t hat's where I thought the conviction came from

though I initially had worries about him for raisins... w hich is still possible but I also kinda doubt wolf brad powerwolves out leetic here so idk lol maybe he's just town though again, like, I didn't love that he hasn't seemed to question my alignment at all whatsoever, but idk maybe he really took my masonry suggestion quite seriously lol
So you think the mafia cannot kill nightly?
You think a towny killed Wigly?
You think a 3rd party killed Wigly?

And ofc everyone knows and understands there are a lot of power roles bc this is a heist game.
I am saying it is possible wilgy may not have been the initial target, among other possibilities
Mafia could have been rb'd and wilgys role let's him live thru the night after lynch and die at next day start
It could have been mafia and not the factional
Only reason I'd say it's unlikely from town alignment is cuz it probably would have been claimed

Just saying there are many pastabilities

I bet you're on my side when I say, what would it take to not hear about it again?

So it's you.

How dangerous would it be to discuss who we think could be recruited?

Shielding Abigail?

@Abigail Sophia did you have a private chat going with leetic?

Maybe he left a clue as to who he was chatting with?

Actually I guess he wouldn't have known if his BTSC partner was Town or Wolf. But that partner still should have come out much stronger in his defense.

Leetic should have prodded the partner to defend him, I would have been like "Please get out there and try to stop this runway train!"

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:23 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:59 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:20 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:44 pm leetic had btsc with someone, who was it
Probs SVS as she defended him pretty much the whole time.
I thought leetic said he didn't trust those that DIDN'T suspect him when most did.
he was waffel'ing on her imo.

Does that jive with the idea of them having BTSC?

Though some agreed with me about S~V~S' logic in coming after Brad, it looks like no one actually thinks it's suspiciousness over just wrongness. So I dunno, I'll keep an eye on her but I'll acquiesce rather than tunnel.

I don't know who I would yeet tomorrow. Everyone is kind of Towny for one reason or another.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:20 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:44 pm leetic had btsc with someone, who was it
Probs SVS as she defended him pretty much the whole time.

I thought leetic said he didn't trust those that DIDN'T suspect him when most did.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:20 pm Ok so I thought he had info, the way he came in hard after Brad. This is how an info role who can’t dump comes across. And if I had an info role, Brad is who I would have checked.

I put this out several times during the day period. I expected the three people who had experience with this kind of thing to pick up what I was putting out; LC, LoRab and Roxy. Instead all three of them said I was suspish.

Woo Hoo. Or maybe Woo HOO.

Have a safe night folks.

No, didn't catch that at all. I thought maybe TSP had indo.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:43 pm "You are loyal to your cause. You cannot change your win condition. Instead, you can target someone each Night and convince that person to return to his or her original win condition."

wtf

Yeah, that's a big yikes. Recruitment? Thanos is recruiting. Trust no one.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:54 pm Pretty annoyed tbh

You had BTSC with him.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:55 pm Falcon really fell off the map.
Not defending falcon at all but I know his band is doing some sort of charity event. Not sure on the timing of it.

Oh, well if he's that much cooler than me, I of course withdraw the criticism.

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:04 pm
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Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:09 am
Simon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:55 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:24 am

That's understandable, I get that. Differences in my mind are that LC did not say that, or anything, to answer my question, but framed it in somewhat demeaning light
By "demeaning", you mean "accusational", right?

Syn expressed he had similar thoughts re: Simon, and was intending to follow up as well
I also had similar thoughts re: Simon, and then I realized that picking apart exactly what his definition of "a lot" is would be a little pedantic and bullying, and wouldn't likely bear any game-relevant fruit, so I chose not to do it. Why would you focus on something so nitpicky? What result did you imagine coming from it besides maybe Simon having less confidence in speaking his mind, for fear that it's going to be linguistically dissected and get him called out on whatever minor definitional discrepancy you decide to pounce on?

I'm trying to be as helpful as possible for you to understand where I'm coming from here, because I was less concise and more reactionary in my stance last night.

No, I think calling my question a "limp noodle" is somewhat demeaning

I asked Simon one question, and it seems as tho you are trying to make it sound as if it's my sole focus...the fact that you are now saying you also felt the way I did re: Simon's post is interesting, as your reaction to my question is quite different than Simon's, or Syns, or anybody...even tho you felt the same

Simon's answer to my question was fine, and made sense to me, as I've had the same experience. You're taking a lot of exception on his behalf... @Simon do you feel I was being pedantic, bullying, predatory, or have less confidence to speak your mind?

Does anyone else?
Not as much as others who have recently been interpreting this.

Let's just say that I've never been good with my choice of words. To the point where in this context, I felt as if one wrong word could change the course of someone's innocence. And when you asked me that "a lot" or "twice" question, it wasn't looking too good for me.

However that all supposedly changed when this one question also managed to spark a bit of discord among others. Even now, I still can't tell if a smart move or not.
Actually, what if it's possible that falcon has intentionally been trying to find something among the nothingness to start an Argument, and I just so happened to be the prey.

I previously mentioned that my process of thought was that one little thing can change a lot on someone. It's not confirmed if I was specifically supposed to be a target, and it definitely is a stretch.

I don't know though, I'm just considering possible situations that would make sense to me.
If Falcon was intentionally trying to start an argument, what does that make you think of him? Is he more Towny because he's trying to generate content? Or is it Wolfy to treat you as "prey"?
Apologies for the inactivity and late answer. But, with that being said, I was the one who originally generated the content, weather it was intentional or not. In fact, Falcon was the one who originally added on to it.

The way I made it sound made falcon look somewhat wolfy. I'm not sure if we were told what the independent characters ( Thanos and Deadpool )in this game are supposed to be doing, mostly just because I'm usually living under a rock when it comes to announcements.

But if one of those objectives just so happens have me on a wanted list or something, then everything that I have previously speculated wouldn't be so farfetched.

This is a politician's non-answer. Actually pretty impressive.

Falcon really fell off the map.

Ok. I have been putting off a certain shower, because I'm enjoying playing. BUT I shhh shs hshhh... didn't shower yesterday!

SO... I'm looking forward to this. Talk, but not too much. Everyone gets.... two posts each. Plus a bonus action response post.

And may I say, your coloured list is *the* preeminent list of the game, and I am honoured to be on it.

*gain followers

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:50 pm I respect svs wolf game she can fool me 9 / 10 times so I'm withholding judgment on that aspect but sig and lorab being like "wow big brain point sva so true" is like. Idk. Lmao

I'd be disappointed if it was from 2 towns

I wish my posts would going followers. Maybe she is Thanos with the Mind Stone?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:49 pm Even if wolves did target wilgy for nk . Which again is multiple assumptions. U just assume only brad had input on the kill? Like idgi lol

Well, let's be real. It's the default assumption that no evidence points away from.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:26 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:22 pm And I am not trying to buddy up or reinstate the LC Connection that I was forced to poop all over when I was bad.

I just don't see what people see in it.
Oh I'm all for the LC Connection and would love to work with you obviously the last game fucked with me but hell you're actually using your head.
You could reread the post I made with the individual orange-text responses. I bet you skimmed it. That was the start of the me and S~V~S thing.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:40 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
I can recall off the top of my head two games where Wilgy played the long game and played it hard and well, as YOUR bad teammate.
So what's your point here? If Wilgy is known to play the long game, then that jives with Lime Coke saying he wouldn't feel the need to instantly nightkill him. You capitalized YOUR like you have something to shove in Brad's face but what is it??

I find this post troubling tbh, and can’t think of a reason why you would say this as town.
Didn't I say something like "If I were a Wolf, I'd have let Wilgy stay alive until it was too suspicious!" Not those exact words, but I'm certain I conveyed the idea. Maybe the reason a Town would say something like this is that it might help find the mindset of a player that WOULD nk him? I think finding this post troubling for that reason is a little hollow.

I’ve never seen a player do aggressively (and successfully) defend a teammate as he did YOU in Cyberpunk.
Relevance to the point? I don't see how this really relates, but there's that accusational capitalization again.

Even though he wound up losing that was probably one of the single best Mafia performances I’ve ever seen.
But we're not talking about Mafia Wilgy here! So references to his magnificent abilities as a Wolf are not relevant! If you think Brad is a Wolf then references to times when Wilgy was left unchecked and demolished all the Wolves as Town would have been relevant.
It just feels like this post went a lot of places and conveyed a lot of accusational feelings without cementing a single point.
Just read through it, idk if I'm convinced that it's scummy for her since I can believe her based on the fact that she's pointing out the whole game I had with him as partners not too long ago?

Doesn't help convincing me since I've been townreading her since Day 1 after her first appearance doing things. Since I've been feeling like she's towny throughout the game.

It wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. About S~V~S specifically! BUT I am also right sometimes, sometimes I'm the only one right about her. If everyone else disagrees, then my vote goes nowhere, and it can be a bitter consolation if I was right, but lose.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:15 pm I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.

Don't know if this gets taken back or discussed but I thought it was relevant.

Up to this post, I'm not particularly suspicious of leetic. But Brad is so inflamed about it that I am happy to see the votes stack up anyways! Mwa ha haaaaa!! LC Connection baby YEAH!

Right now I'll [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine, and when that goes nowhere, I'll hippity hop on over to leetic as a show of amicability. Or will it be the deciding vote by that point??

FIND OUT, in.... The Future!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:36 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:45 am Wilgy was and still is a wolf I stand by this
Explain it please

Also whats the "I’ll be back pill"?
idgi

But you said it!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:46 am I’ll be back pill doesn’t end for 3 days

And then I made an awesome joke.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:51 pm Hey LC, you just yelled. What's up, tell me your story.
While I realize Lime Coke has the same initials, it’s super confusing when you call someone else LC

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