The Syndicate

Because sometimes you have to turn right to go left.

I tend to agree that there are baddies among the people who voted for me in the last lynch. It was a tied lynch until fingersplints came in at the eleventh hour and put the final vote on MR.

Ha! I voted for myself because I know how to turn on dirt, and then I saw Dom already did the same.

Dom, why do you think I wanted you and MP to fight?

Dom wrote:LC, if not you, who would want me and MP to fight each other in thread?

I don't know, Dom. MP is dead, so you don't have to worry about getting into a fight anymore, I guess. When were you fighting?

Nice! Finally got a baddie.

Snow Dog wrote:Moved my vote to LC. Either MM or Chick can decide.

Rude.

LOL, "Ambrag" ... Quit bragging!

Ambrag, you want to save MR, don't you?

Also, voting MR.

No one is voting anything to take me out of lynch contention. I think MR is more likely to be bad than Ambray... But I have no real read on Ambray at this point, to be honest. I think Ambray has been on the fringe of a lot of the bigger debates and accusations.

As for my use of the shrug, if you want to label me noncommittal, then I can't argue. It has been a tough game to get a handle on who's bad, so I have found it hard until recently to nail down some strong opinions. plus I just like using it.

DFaraday wrote:

Ambray wrote:"I don't see how your previous lynches were based on any evidence." There would be your presumption.

I was pinged by a post of his earlier this game, one I didn't quote at the time. When I went back to find it, I couldn't identify which it was and I actually felt better about him. However, I've thought about it today and wonder if I feel better about him because his posts are very hard to find anything in, I felt - it's a very careful game.

I've felt bad from him most of the game. I talked myself out of voting him yesterday. We've yet to lynch a baddie because of being swayed by what has been brought up in the thread - I'm sticking with my gut this time.

Ambray, you've played a lot of games with me. You know that I deliberately craft my game to be as blendy as possible, whether civvie or baddie. I have to wonder why you've continually brought me up since nearly the start of the game, without offering any reason why besides gut.

As for MR, I certainly agree with everyone that he's been super under the radar. What are your thoughts, MR?

MR has moved up to fourth place on my loose suspicion list with the death of MP07. I'd have to reread him to get a better overview of his game. I believe there's also a case out there against him, analyzing his game so far, votes and so on. No time right now to look it up, but it's probably worth reviewing. I forget whose case it was at the moment.

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other

How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

Timing has been awfully convenient for you.

How so?

Is it me, or do you use the confused smiley quite often? I saw you are suspicious of MP. He's gone. Who else are you suspicious of and why?

It's just you. I've only used the confused smiley one other time in this game:

Long Con wrote:Um... was hedgeowl on the poll?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p101581

And clearly that was genuine confusion, as I was looking at the previous Night Poll and not the lynch poll that was being discussed.

My confusion is equally genuine with Dom, it's a new angle he's taking on my case against him and MP - I accused them of being teammates in order to make them fight each other.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other

How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

Timing has been awfully convenient for you.

How so?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other

How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

Why didn't you answer my question?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Okay, time to started reading some thread content. Any pointers y'all can give me to start off?

Sorry, wrapping gifts with my lady right now, just got off work and having some drinks as well. Dom's thing was about me, so I responded; I didn't feel like going back and getting a recap set up for you.

There's been a lot of lynched Civvies. Could be some Chick Hicks killed baddies, if we're lucky. I personally believed MP to be a baddie.

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other

How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

Uh, you could just ask to be replaced in your RL stuff.

RIP, MP07... guess we will find out in the end if you were indeed a baddie.

Matters not to me. Could be positive, could be negative... I like to take part. No one has died from it at least.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I voted for BR to pull Bessie to fix the road. I wanted to vote right away 'cause I ain't missing another poll!!

BR gets it for missing the lynch vote.

Seems like a good reason to me.

Not Snow Dog anymore? Why were you originally voting for him, and why did you change it?

Didn't really think it mattered where I put my vote, so just in case it was a good thing, I placed it on Snowy. Honestly, I'm almost entirely convinced these night polls aren't doing anything.

Heh heh, just kidding. I pretty much agree with you. Make me win one, and I'll let you know for sure.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I voted for BR to pull Bessie to fix the road. I wanted to vote right away 'cause I ain't missing another poll!!

BR gets it for missing the lynch vote.

Seems like a good reason to me.

Not Snow Dog anymore? Why were you originally voting for him, and why did you change it?

I voted for BR to pull Bessie to fix the road. I wanted to vote right away 'cause I ain't missing another poll!!

BR gets it for missing the lynch vote.

I believe he probably did.

Ha! Sorry, that post above is from me. I accidentally posted in BR's browser window.

Ugh, I don't really like the options I'm seeing here. Votes are changeable, and I will vote to save the people I trust, but for now I'm voting for MP07.

And I really urge any undecided people to go along with that vote if they want to get a non-Civvie today.

Linki: Yeah, I do. DF is cool in my books.

Especially since I'm not Chick.

As with Snow Dog and Made (I trust them equally, for obvious reasons), I mistrust you and Dom equally as well. I just thought you'd get a kick out of being at the top of the list.

As for DFaraday, I just trust him. I have my reasons. Unless you're going to try and lynch him, I won't go into more details.

Going to see where this spread-out vote stands, and decide where mine will go.

I'm willing to trust Snow Dog and Made more than anyone else in the game right now. I do not think they're bad, I think the trust that Snow Dog has in Made comes from Civvie BTSC.

This is pretty much where I'm at with trust, from LEAST to MOST trusted:

MovingPictures07
Dom
Ambray
Tink
Mister Rearranger
Simon
Boogs
Black Rock
fingersplints
DFaraday
Made
Snow Dog
Long Con

In the middle, there could be some shuffling around, hard to read some of them.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. Glad to be back!

I will try to catch up and read everything since I died, but I might not have the time. So any synopses or key points of interest I should pay attention to, you all feel free to point out.

I will start catching up tomorrow.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p101996

That's my case against Dom and MP. It's very important to be aware of.

Sorry, though the night ended a bit later, I missed the poll.

RIP Sabie!

Internet down at house right now, posting from phone.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:MP has been on about the Seemer from the start.

I know. It was part of my suspicion of him from the start.

I know. I read each of your posts several times.

MP has been on about the Seemer from the start.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Yup, they're nothing but good in the movie.

You have any guesses what their secret could be? And what does tracks mean?

No guess, but I would say that tracking someone would tell them who, if anyone, that person targeted at night.

Yup, they're nothing but good in the movie.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

I admit the possibility you could be civ.

Do you think we'll feel blindsided when the secrets in British Intel's win conditions are revealed?

Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

Made wrote:Ok, MP x Dom team doesn't make sense to me considering how close Dom's MP push was early game to getting him lynched, if i remember correctly.

Really? Because although Dom stated he would vote MP until he was dead, he didn't actually vote for him once. Even on the first day, when his vote could have made the difference and gotten MP lynched.

DFaraday wrote:To answer Made's question I'm not Mafia.

I think the case against LC is strained - not boldly asserting suspicions of players whose alignment you don't know is perfectly reasonable. That's basically how I play, as I really don't want to commit to something I'm not sure of.

I haven't felt suspicious of Dom or MP to date, but LC's theory is intriguing. However, for this lynch I will stick to my original suspicion and vote Made. I feel like if we conclude once and for all whether he is civvie then Snowy's alignment can be more easily deduced; otherwise, this topic will keep reocurring in every lynch.

I think that a Made vote is a mistake. What, besides his evaluation of Dom, is your suspicion of him based on? Sorry if you've explained it already, MP will probably say that me asking this is evidence that I do nothing of value.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Roxy wrote:Also to anyone who has cleared MP to be a civ bc he MAY have survived a N attempt - HELO. - there are 2 baddie teams and Chick.

Just to clarify, there is only one baddie team, and Chick. British Intel is Civ-aligned, in that they need to defeat The Lemons to win. Also, it looks like they can win even if dead... but they don't need to defeat Chick Hicks to win (so Chick, leave them alone! )

The remainder of their win conditions are secret.

Lot of assumptions being made about secrets today.

Good point about British Intel, I had taken that to mean role secrets, but it appears you're right.

What other assumptions are being made about secrets?

Dom wrote:Please don't conflate my ideas with MPs.

Just rereading... this statement is telling if you consider they're baddie teammates. Dom would REALLY like to avoid being lumped with MP.

Roxy wrote:Also to anyone who has cleared MP to be a civ bc he MAY have survived a N attempt - HELO. - there are 2 baddie teams and Chick.

Just to clarify, there is only one baddie team, and Chick. British Intel is Civ-aligned, in that they need to defeat The Lemons to win. Also, it looks like they can win even if dead... but they don't need to defeat Chick Hicks to win (so Chick, leave them alone! )

MovingPictures07 wrote:Roxy's bad.

Rox and LC are bad.

LC won't vote me because he knows I'm civvie. He's failed to say I'm suspicious all game after he voted for me D2 (and even then, he never actually say it).

He even JUST SAID you don't know who the baddies are.

[snip]

NOTE how he dropped his "suspicion" of Rox and now has gunned after me and Dom.

Just another example of the fallacy of Tunnel Vision.

a) It's okay to not know who the baddies are. That's kind of the point of the game. No one knows who the baddies are. So it's a really bizarre thing to accuse me of - not knowing. There's a whole spectrum of suspicion that generally precedes "knowing". You have shown the thread the foolishness of acting like you KNOW who the baddies are, maybe you should sit down and reconsider the way you play, accept that not all suspicions have to be "Lynch that baddie now!" until you're more sure.

b) I have not mentioned Roxy during my new case against you and Dom. She's another one of my suspicions, but she's not currently tied into the Dom/you case. See, when you choose not to employ Tunnel Vision, it frees you to have separate suspicions that you can discuss separately.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I really had no idea who the baddies were.

Long Con wrote:Don't bother, MP, why waste your time when you've already decided? Just vote for me, stop trying to justify it by pretending to analyze my gameplay.

You want me to tell you who the baddies are. I don't know who they are. I know who I think they're not. I put out some discussion about it, and you just accuse me yet again of "not baddie hunting".

You voted me D2.

If you found me suspicious all this time, why did you not pursue it?

Redacted.

I do believe you know all about redacted, since your case is made of it.

...that, more than anything, makes me suspicious of you.

Maybe MP was actually that overconfident that he had magically caught a whole baddie team, but it just smacks of convenience to me.

I don't know what to do about MP. It's possible he could be a severely mistaken Civvie, but the way he just threw Bass, FZ., and Roxy into the pot just based on Bass' suppose slip-up is just bizarre. Then the sig bet thing, which always makes me suspicious. S~V~S just made a sig bet over in Monopoly Mafia and turned out to be a baddie. I feel like it's a move designed to make everyone believe that you're Civvie, because no one would ever make a sig bet as a baddie!

Nope, I never actually was suspicious or said he could be a baddie. That's the case, right? I do appreciate you pulling all my quotes together so it's this easy to prove you wrong. Just because I didn't take the Tunnel Vision route like you and Dom seem to enjoy, doesn't mean I'm not baddie hunting. I'm not obligated to say every word that comes to my mind when I'm playing Mafia, I'm surprised to learn that's not a general principle everyone follows. I'm not here to prove to you or anyone how hard I can publicly try to get baddies - when I think I've found a baddie, you will know about it. And I'm pretty sure I've found two here.

What's the phrase, MP? "Ya dun goofed"? Yup. *votes MP*

MovingPictures07 wrote:Even now, you still don't vote me. DO IT. Come on, LC. Do it!

Are you kidding me with this? Keep your panties on.

Yup, of course when I vote for you and say you're suspicious, it's all empty.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also think it's really obvious that Snowy and Made have civvie BTSC. I don't think they'd be doing this if they were bad, and the way LC says the same confirms that to me.

Gotta go, be back later tonight.

Convenient for you to state this now. <-- there's the rolleyes smiley.

LOL what a joke, I just read your post MP. I love how you ignore that fact that I'm clearly suspicious of you and actually say so, more than once, in all the posts you quoted.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I see nothing wrong with Dom's behavior this game. He's been reasonable. I may not agree with him on Made, but LC's most recent theory is obviously an attempt to CHA (cover his ass). And he has been baddie hunting and not making near as many empty statements or questions as you, LC.

I'd like everyone to actually read my observations about LC. I am very confident he's bad.

Of course you don't see anything wrong with Dom's behaviour. It's pretty clear he's your baddie teammate. I just hope we don't lynch Made before proving it by lynching one of you.

LOL MP. Nice wall of text. My case is much easier to swallow, I can't wait to read yours.

Long Con wrote:At no point to MP call Dom out for "not baddie hunting"...

That should be "At no point did MP call Dom out".

Dom's game:

Please feel free to click that link and follow along Dom's posts yourself.

First couple of days, some nothing posts.

Next six days, focus on MP for making a Seemer comment, and for leading the FZ. lynch.

Then he realizes that MP getting targeted makes him not a baddie, drops MP. Barely questions whether or not it was MP or DF that got targeted.

Next five days, goes after Made for, let's call it the "suspicious analysis" for brevity.

That takes us to yesterday when he asked me about the Hedge/Made lynch.

At no point to MP call Dom out for "not baddie hunting", despite Dom having only two suspicions all game, and extremely minimal discussion of anything else.

Theory: Dom's pursuit of MovingPictures07 in the early game was distancing, because he's a baddie with MP07. DFaraday was the actual target for the Night 1 kill, targeted by Dom, MP, and team. When the failed kill didn't show a specific player, they took advantage of it to lead the thread into accepting that MP was targeted, and therefore not a baddie. This also led to a convenient point for Dom to stop his distancing accusations of his teammate, to move doggedly on to the next target, Made.

Despite earlier declarations of trust for Snow Dog, Dom uses the Made case to also cast a shadow of doubt on Snow Dog, saying "Snow Dog is either bad or is hugely misguided". This is an attempt to seize the opportunity to lynch a possible Civvie BTSC team. I can only imagine the Seemer talk that would likely come up when Made gets lynched as Finn McMissile or something.

So, yeah, after this analysis of Dom's gameplay, coupled with MP's lack of criticism for it, makes these guys my top two suspects for this lynch.

Don't bother, MP, why waste your time when you've already decided? Just vote for me, stop trying to justify it by pretending to analyze my gameplay.

You want me to tell you who the baddies are. I don't know who they are. I know who I think they're not. I put out some discussion about it, and you just accuse me yet again of "not baddie hunting".