The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:31 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:58 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:57 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:25 pm I had one job and still couldn’t close!

Good game everyone. Thanks to our lovely hosts for handling this great clusterfuck, I hope the first timers stick around.

You did close Colin, you told us with your last words.

He hinted it pretty hard earlier too, D6 I think. But only I knew what to look for.

His job was made easier by Eva! But I began to doubt that she was telling the truth because why would she tell the townies? Now I get it though, knowing the scum team did not have day chat - she really was talking to them!

I'm glad that came out. That was very different. I wouldn't mind building on that idea in future games. Maybe a town ability to silence baddie chats for the day or something. Or a role that targets a player and BTSC-silences them if they have it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:08 pm And to my Mafia team, that Day that we planned the Epignosis lynch the night before, and it went off without a hitch... magnificent!

yeah it was pretty awesome and as it turned out we probably were right to have done it, even though our play on that day probably caused our lynches

There's always a price.

And to my Mafia team, that Day that we planned the Epignosis lynch the night before, and it went off without a hitch... magnificent!

Any game that comes down to one single altered choice swinging the victory to the other side is balanced in my books.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:26 pm @Elephant you pocketed me SOOOO well.

I was sure you were the cop when you spewed me town.

That was some good shit.

Wooooot! Way to go, Jack, you carried it through! I wish I could have at least tied it up during my lynch but I couldn't get online. All part of destiny's fickle ways I guess.

Awesome win! Jack has my vote for player of the year this time.

Don't lynch: Colin, 112, Radishes

[mention]juliets[/mention] we have to resolve this thing. If you are Civ, so am I, then TLib is the one. That's where I'm putting my vote. I have to go no, I am taking the wife to a concert in Buffalo, New York. AJR concert. That's where I'll be, I'll try to look at the thread close to lynch time. [VOTE: TLib] aubergine

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:11 pm Feel no matter what iaafr is the Lynch and not worth just dropping mu vote to but problum being I am going be afk from this point till EoD unless i get off early which is extremely unlikely.

At this point Iaafr I head wagon by alot unless you count the DEAD option.

Neutral can live one more day due to limitation's and a janitor flip would be amazing right now.

Janitor ia very unlikely within the original group so that's a reason to push epi/iaafr by I feel if iaafr was the janitor if they have points they would be getting a better defense so.

Also I feel Dom and Epi could be wolfs together based on their defense for one another just a possiblity I am starting to belive more and more.

Gonna end voting [VOTE: Dom] aubergine actually i think people are clearing of interactions way to fast

You were calling Epi-Dom w/w and went after Dom first, but then Dom died town and you still went after Epi. You voted Epi here, but you seemed to have very little suspicion of him aside from the Dom thing.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:36 pm @Trustworthy Liberal who are you looking at to vote?

I am good with either Long Or Epi at this point can just go here

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

You held off your vote until juliets prompted you. When did you vote Epi? Was he the biggest wagon at the time?

Ok, Pawn can have a scumread. Does he have any redeeming qualities?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:43 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:33 pm I never bus as scum, it's stupid. I would rather keep a teammate around than attempt some thin cred at their expense.

current top town top scum?

I like Colin, I like 112 for town. Scum I go juliets, TLib.

but why

Colin has said some things that looked really town. Like, slip-ups or things he didn't know. Didn't he not realize he was alive? 112 feels genuine, and this new thing he announced gives me hope.

I've talked about juliets at length, and why I think she looks scummy. TLib, it's been a while but I suspected him in the past and he needs a fresh look.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:40 pm I considered sussing radishes as teamed scum who could freely push on Eva phases 2 to 4 without consequences because nobody dies in the dream layer and phase 5 because she knew she was poisoned but I remembered the existence of the lowest layer and it's just too troll to put two scum and sprityo in there

I keep wanting to clear jack on certain processes but then I remember hes the only one left from my phase 4 layer and thinking maybe he has to be scum

I need fresh thoughts on how to read these people and how to treat them

also need 112 pawn and lld to play more but maybe llds right and we should just autokill pawn

Pawn is someone I don't have a good read on. Why autokill?

What did you think of 112's Bard thing?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:33 pm I never bus as scum, it's stupid. I would rather keep a teammate around than attempt some thin cred at their expense.

current top town top scum?

I like Colin, I like 112 for town. Scum I go juliets, TLib.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:36 pm a major complaint I have about lc is that it feels like he lost scum hunting direction ever since he lynched elephant

like 112 in wc1 @MacDougall

is lc in this game 112 in wc1? bus partners and coast?

I'm not coasting. This level of activity is pretty high for me.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:04 pmGod damn, does this clear LC, or is he the busser (potentially for a third time)? This had a lot of last minute movement, and that's potentially a poor scumplay to bus Elephant. But maybe LC is like that?

I don't think I was part of any last-minute movements on that day, I think I was at work during the lynch's end.

I never bus as scum, it's stupid. I would rather keep a teammate around than attempt some thin cred at their expense.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:44 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:38 am Owing to my lacking contributions, I will now undertake the role of Town Bard and compel the town to victory by means of inspiration and music buffs.

town, town, he's the best
let him win it, fuck the rest

mafia really should've seen this coming and just killed me

they took the gamble, fair loss

What is this transformation?

112 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:14 am How do you know what the Mafia thought?

this is such a 'gotcha!' question to ask and i question your motives in it

Enh, I wasn't really going for a Gotcha. Had just woken up and scanning new posts. Jack's was the last, and it was...

How do you know what the Mafia thought?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:46 pm Of course, I put unlynchable tentacle monsters in my games too so whatever.

That's pussy talk.

I wasn’t even joking about that. That happened.

WHAAAAAAA?????

Skip to the end of this http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost. ... tcount=144

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost. ... tcount=165

Sweeeeet. Nice Coulton reference as well, of course.

*Day 5 start.

Ok, quick and dirty Mac Day 5 ISO analysis:
-complaint NAI
-anti-Radishes pro-Eva scum lean
-on the nose I guess NAI
-random towncore creation chaos scum lean
-clarification request NAI-slight town
-calls Michelle town... TMI? Good read? I say scum lean
-Evenstar reaction brief but genuine town lean
-suggests lynching Eva looks good town
-calls radishes town, which is consistent with earlier
-good-looking interaction with Elephant town
-What's Eli5?
-nutella townreads mac town lean
-suspects 112
-clarifies suspicion
-weird attack on Elephant scum lean
-dream talk NAI
-Radishes town Eva scum. consistent, town lean
-more Evenstar attacking, town lean
-Eva interaction looks all right
-votes Evenstar
-agrees with nutella's lynch list, which is consistent with Mac's suspicions
-consistent reads reiteration

Jules, lemme know what you're seeing here please. These are just one line per post from Day 56 start.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:46 pm Of course, I put unlynchable tentacle monsters in my games too so whatever.

That's pussy talk.

I wasn’t even joking about that. That happened.

WHAAAAAAA?????

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:46 pm Of course, I put unlynchable tentacle monsters in my games too so whatever.

That's pussy talk.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:06 pm @Trustworthy Liberal why in the heck did you vote for Epi?

I'm not after you this phase though, it's Macdougall that needs to be lynched this round.

I saw a possibility of it being mafia but at the same time there wasn't nuch in my control everytime i have had wim this game to play was calling out the neutral and other then that i have been shut down and has made it extremely hard to WANT to play this game.

I am trying to and will keep doing so.

I have been transparent with you all this game and pushed who i thought at most times to be evil.
Lynching me would be a major mistake and has been pointed out by many people as to why it would be and it seems a fair amount of people have discredited and or forgotten about that.

What's wim?

I have to look back and find what you're referencing here. I'm probably a person who has forgotten about it.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:10 pm I'm not used to a juliets who comes out swinging with a vote right after day begins. I'ma need some precedence for that because it's rustling my jimmies atm.

I'm just sure of my vote. I did it on another day when you guys were in the dream levels.

Against vanity, right? Day 5 start, iirc

Yes exactly.

I'm, like, the foremost juliets Inception historian right now.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:15 pm Rabbit’s late day vote for a townie after peacing out for the whole day is pretty suspect but just add it to the pile I guess.

@juliets

When and why did you decide Mac is bad? Cause I remembered you (and myself and iirc Radish or TL) arguing Mac vs Epi was t vs t and when I checked your iso, you look like you reviewed him and found him to be town. Day started and you’re all over him.

Sets off some warning bells, ya know?

I started thinking about it when Epi asked me why I thought he was town. I realized I didn't have any great reasons for thinking he was. That's somewhere in my ISO. After yesterday's lynch and I looked more at his ISO it was clear to me he was bad. Where are all the townie Mac posts that he usually has when he is town? I don't see them. It shouldn't set off any warning bells except to look more closely at him. Why do you think he is town?

I will have a look at Mac's Day 5, jules. I gotta say though, that "Where are all the townie Mac posts that he usually has when he is town?" isn't a metric I understand. I don't know what I'm looking for, but I'll see what I can see.

RIP Epi. Sorry for my part in your lynch, I'll remember this for next time.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:10 pm I'm not used to a juliets who comes out swinging with a vote right after day begins. I'ma need some precedence for that because it's rustling my jimmies atm.

I'm just sure of my vote. I did it on another day when you guys were in the dream levels.

Against vanity, right? Day 5 start, iirc

Ok, it looks like the Juliets thing isn't happening. I have to go to work now, so I'm going to [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine. His Elephant interactions look bad, and his main defense fall very flat.

Macdougall and Elephant interactions....

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:44 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:36 am Elephant's mafia and is just going to slip by to the end somehow, calling it now.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 am actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

This feels like galaxy brain. I like galaxy brain.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Blah. Doesn't look great. So Mac-flippant, hard to read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:59 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:56 am Idk part of me wants to keep the Elephant around for at least another phase. Maybe I don't have good reason for that though since I don't have particular reason to townread him I just think he's fun.

Oh I forgot that I'm not lynching new people day 1.

New wagon peoples!

Finds an easy excuse to get off the scum vote. More bad than good looking.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:31 pm
So first thing I'd like to try is to get all your reads and put them in a spreadsheet and compare them with each other and with my own reads to see if there are any patterns/common grounds there, to see if anyone has a starkly different opinion etc. It's totally fine if you are null on a lot of people. When I put mine together I realised that I am too. It will be good to see who is flying through all of our radars too.

For reference here is my list.

Benson
iaafr
Jack
Nanook
nutella
vanity.

112
Evenstar
Hyena
juliets
Lexi

DFaraday
Elephant
Pawn
Quin
Rej
Spiny
Tex
Trustworthy

Creature
Dom
Epi
Long Con

Nova
sprityo
Dragomir

Elephant tucked in a safe place. Scum lean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:07 pm
Reads we 100% share:

Town - iaafr, Nanook, Vanity
Slight town - Evenstar
Slight mafia - Long Con
Null - Quin, Trustworthy Liberal
Mafia - TonyStarkPrime

Reads we significantly disagree on:

Dragomir (you town read him, I scumread him)
Epignosis (you slightly town read him, I slightly scumread him)
Hyena (as above)
juliets (I slightly town read her, you scumread her)

Players I am null on that you are not (please tell me about how you arrived at your reads on these players):

Master Radishes
Texas Cloverleaf
Pawn Lelouch
Spiny Creature
Michelle
DFaraday
Rej

Players that you are null on that I am not ergo I shall give you my insight which may be of use:

Benson - I am mostly gut town reading Benson because they have asked good questions and seem to have an analytical mindset that I can see clearly.

Jack - I am town reading Jack because I think I can read Jack very well and he meta reads like town Jack here. Scum Jack is more serious than town Jack.

Lexi - I am slightly town reading Lexi because I think she would be less likely to transparently engage her clique the way she did if she was mafia. It's the sort of thing I would imagine a wolf to be hyper aware of doing, given it echoes her wolf game from the finale.

Dom - I am slightly scum reading Dom because I got the impression his frustration was a little bit forced when he noticed how much content there was. Plus emoji tell.

Elephant - I am slightly scumreading Elephant... I don't really know why though. I'll have to explore that further.
Nova - I am scumreading Nova because he is doing exactly what I expect of him as Mafia in this game and that's to just lay low and not help the gamesolving at all which he is very good at. Nova is also good at making himself obviously civ and he hasn't here.

Gives a slight scum read to Elephant. Nothing too drastic. Promise of later exploration. Will it happen?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

You seem to be clearing Radishes, is that correct? Why?

Um no I am not clearing Radishes. I suppose he can be a wolf. I just trust him more than the other two based on his description of the things that happened.

This interaction looks pretty genuine. Town lean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:12 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:09 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:01 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

How did you learn about this mafia advantage? Does anyone else know about this?

The wording of the levels was like 'you're getting closer...'

Also, what was the point of our little F3 if we all survived? Someone will have gained something, I'm pretty certain.

You are telling us the mafia reached the Limbo level and won it? Why is the game not over?

Can someone tell me how you haven't lynched this person?

Calls out Elephant, but nothing specific really leveled against him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:30 pm Evenstar, Lexi, 112, Jack and Elephant gg.

Puts Elephant in a scum list. Eva as well. Looks pretty good. We still don't know any of the other three.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:36 pm Ppl in this level talk to me about Elephant

Six minutes later, pushes more specifically for Elephant. Good look.

... and I am out of time, I have to go shower and get ready for work.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:51 pm This is dandy, we’ve got like half the players here to vote. I’m sure a couple won’t show and we’re sitting precariously at these low vote lynches

I implore everyone I pinged to check out my big juliets/TL/LC post since it offers more than just that as well

Epi too since I think he’s just waved me under the rug on it

I also read it, it was impressive work. I think juliets is bad, but TLib is someone I've lost track of in the last couple of days. I did suspect him back when the thread was split, in the long ago time.

There wasn't much left to look at in the Epi-Elephant ISO.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:05 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:42 am I won't get into finding scum 'per dream level' because we can't actually assert with certainty that there was x scum per level. That became heavily affected by choice of 'lynch' + 'kill'. The exception is the initial split (and 'Limbo 3') because of course it would be somewhat balanced to start with.

So I agree - and have for awhile now - that there are still scum amongst Juliets/Long Con/T Lib.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:03 am D1 vote count

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
--------------------------

Two scum voting against Drago. Admittedly, Elephant was earlier in the round, but Eva was in the final minutes. So that suggests they didn't want Drago to die. Epi and Jack both voted 112 a few hours before EoD, so are not immediately suspect because of their votes, but fit the profile well enough. I don't think both are scum, though, and my thoughts on which one could be are pretty clear by this point.

That said, there are almost certainly scum bussing, and 112 is not cleared.


Vote analysis to be continued.

if that's the actual votecount, there's almost certainly scum in epi/jack

>90%

Is that because they're the only two unsorted ones on your lynch?

Ok, let's try the technique on Epignosis. Epi and Elephant interaction analrapist:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:08 amElephant - Elephant called my willingness to be lynched "reverse psychology." Anybody who knows me right now knows there is nothing reverse about working as much as I do. Elephant does not know me whatsoever, and I cannot judge Elephant for that. What I can do is judge Elephant for keeping his vote on me despite engaging with others. Would lynch, but not Day 1.

Not the best start. Very mild jabs between the two of them, Epi appeals to meta on a weak jab from Elephant. "Would lynch, but not Day 1" is not the towniest sentiment I've ever seen. I can't picture myself saying that about someone as town, but I guess it's not that much different from saying "I suspect Elephant a little, but there's a good chance I'll vote elsewhere today." I still don't like the way Epi said it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:01 pm To answer Elephant's question: "why did you really select Hyena to be your first push?"

He was there at the same time I was. And to be clear, it wasn't a push. It was my first suspicion. It is now a suspicion that lingers in the back of my mind for now.

Kind of meh. Elephant wants to spotlight the Hyena suspicion a bit I guess. Epi's response is mostly NAI, but using "now" twice in the last sentence is weirdly interesting, and interestingly weird.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:17 pm I have no interest in an Elephant lynch Day 1 or Day 2 (probably not Day 3 either).

I don't even know what leads a person to post something like this, but it's not a good look for obvious reasons.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:37 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm
Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.

Who are "the syndicate people" who are still with us? Colin, Dom, Epignosis, Jack, Juliets, Long Con, Radishes, nutella, Quin, Sprityo? Anyone who knows, please confirm or correct this list!

This was tongue-in-cheek, a nod to some bizarre theory that gained currency in one of our sub-threads.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:37 am Who are "the syndicate people" who are still with us? Colin, Dom, Epignosis, Jack, Juliets, Long Con, Radishes, nutella, Quin, Sprityo? Anyone who knows, please confirm or correct this list!

Day 23: I have successfully blended into the community. No one suspected I'm an outsider.



I'm not a Syndicater, but I'll take it as a compliment to be associated with these wonderful people and Jack.

So that must mean you're mafia.

I'd call this interaction NAI. Almost didn't include it, but I wanted to give credit to Radishes for the hilarious Day 23 comment. I laughed then and said nothing, and I'm not making that mistake again. Top drawer, sir!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:48 pm Looking at the poll, it doesn't look like there was ever a concerted effort to save Dragomir at all. If there was one, it was that sudden surge against me, not the votes on 112. If I'm correct about Evenstar, the only two unknowns (from my perspective, obviously) are Elephant and JackofHearts2005.

Much better look, fingering Evenstar and Elephant in a way. Weak on Elephant, stronger on Eva, given that Elephant only gets to be "unknown" based on Eva's possible flip.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:20 pm I feel like I've asked multiple people to talk to me about Elephant and I've been roundly ignored. Someone on this godforsaken dreamplane talk to me about the betrunked pachyderm.

I've put it on the backburner. Mea culpa.

I'll look into it later.

This isn't great at all. Nutella tries to push Elephant, and Epignosis pushes it back down.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:00 pm Dom, nutella:

Give Evenstar another Day. Find someone else. There isn't just two mafia members. And I don't think it's her right now. Revisit Day 6 if you must.

I think Evenstar is a dumb lynch.

Jack or Elephant?

Out of the two, I'd lynch Jack.

I still have to see about Elephant though.

This is followed instantly with a vote on Jack, once again turning the thrust from Elephant. Also, that Evenstar comment.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:53 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:48 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:33 pm Elephant 4 [Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, Nutella]
JackofHearts2005 2 [Epignosis, Dom]
Long Con 2 [Macdougall, JackofHearts2005]
Nutella 2 [Lady Lambdadelta, Evenstar]
Evenstar 2 [112, Sprityo]
Epignosis 1 [Pawn Lelouch]
Hyena 1 [Master Radishes]
iaafr 1 [Quin]
Dom 1[Elephant]
Trustworthy Liberal 1 [Hyena]

3 Not Voting: Juliets, ColinisCool, Trustworthy Liberal

17 votes cast and the largest wagon is 4.

What an absolutely atrocious votal. We need to get our shit together.

(I guess it's better than "nova/jack is obvious scum, lol", but not by much.)

@Hyena
@Elephant
@Quin
@Master Radishes
@Pawn Lelouch

All of you, make your strongest case for why the person you are on right now deserves to be in contention. If you don't have a case you're willing to put time in to defend, vote someone else.

@juliets
@ColinIsCool
@Trustworthy Liberal

This may be the most important day phase in the entire game. We need your input. Put a damn vote down already.

Dom is an infolynch at this point. If he flips scum, Michelle is absolutely town, unless she refuses to commit -- and if she refuses, I need to re-evaluate her.
I have made a case on Radishes for the F3 lynch.
Lynching in my group is straight POE.

This is the worst post I've seen from Elephant.

The anti-Elephant sentiment here is a good thing, but the complete lack of follow-up or explanation is not something I'd expect from Civ-Epi. When Epi is town, his accusations usually come with scathing explanations and a "no buts" finisher statement... or whatever, something, something that isn't the nothing we see here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:55 pm I looked back at my notes. I don't think I can vote for Elephant today.

Womp-womp. No explanation at all, again. A reference to "notes" should always call upon said notes for clarification, shouldn't it? Are there notes?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding

How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.

I don't agree that it's a meaningless post if you read the exchange fully. Elephant essentially shot down Dragomir's biggest angle when there would have been no reason to do so (unless you think someone would look back and give you credit for it like I'm doing, but I don't think that was Elephant's angle).

Argues with Michelle about Elephant's wolfiness. I don't understand why Epi would bring up this exchange in this situation, with that preface. Is this the "notes"?

Then he defends Elephant's towniness for it. Hindsight being 20/20, we now know that it's exactly what Elephant did, to distance from Dragomir. "Dragomir's biggest angle"?

His next post places Elephant in a "do not lynch" town place.

That's all I have time for right now. I'll keep the tab open and continue the Epi-Elephant analysis in a bit if I have time.

You are trying to get value from your List of Four, Epi, and I should let you know that it isn't working on me. Here is why:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:22 am Since you are voting me, I must ask you if you believe all four of these things:

1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.

Why is it so impossible to believe that you "allowed" Drago to be lynched, when there are five players in the game who did exactly that? What is it about you that makes this point valid, some quality that no other player in the game has? Are you the lynchmaster, and get to decide on your own who gets lynched each day? If you were Drago's teammate, you would go all-out on a counterwagon on Day 1? Don't you think that's something that even the most rudimentary Mafia player would find suspicious after a few days of info came around, making it a foolish move for an experienced Mafia player?

2. I went through everyone's interactions with Dragomir, only to have my teammate shit on them instead of using them to guide civilian lynches. Rather than use my contributions to guide civilians into making mistakes, Evenstar dismissed them and instead used that effort as the basis for her trying to get me lynched.

Nothing about that says it couldn't be distancing. There are other memorable instances between you two that could easily be the same kind of antagonistic distancing she did with Dragomir. That is obvious precedent within this same game, like insta-meta. Eva dismisses your reads and then dies, making your reads look even better because a wolf dismissed them.

3. Evenstar, who voted 112 instead of Dragomir and who voted Hyena instead of Elephant, was perfectly okay with lynching me and actively pushed for that to happen throughout the phase.
...a phase where she ended up voting for Hyena, and not you.

4. I went out of my way Day 2 to make Dom upset.
I know this is your coup de grâce point, and it's impossible for me to speak to because I haven't read it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:03 am Hey Epi, sorry for not being here earlier. The wife and I went to a friend's house for the evening and played Cards Against Humanity. Why are you freaking out over a couple of votes with a day left until lynch time?

People talking about the MR-Indy-Mal-poisoning thing made me think... why should it be assumed it was a 3P action? As someone pointed out to me earlier, the roles list in the first post is incomplete, so maybe it was a town poisoner.

I wonder if anyone else is going to die like that? I also wonder when Eva knew she was going to die? And why did she leave the Scum Team a legacy post, and not just say what she needs to say in BTSC? Is there a deception within her words intended for some deep-wolfing endgame? Does anyone even remember anything she said? All good questions.

I'll get you a fresh review on Mac and iaafr. For now I'm going to [VOTE: juliets] aubergine because she didn't look good from the Elephant interactions, and a couple of other things.

I think that's a very poor choice at this stage. How do you reconcile your vote with juliets' Day 1 play?

What is it about her Day 1 play? You've had juliets as lock town since Day 1?

Hey Epi, sorry for not being here earlier. The wife and I went to a friend's house for the evening and played Cards Against Humanity. Why are you freaking out over a couple of votes with a day left until lynch time?

People talking about the MR-Indy-Mal-poisoning thing made me think... why should it be assumed it was a 3P action? As someone pointed out to me earlier, the roles list in the first post is incomplete, so maybe it was a town poisoner.

I wonder if anyone else is going to die like that? I also wonder when Eva knew she was going to die? And why did she leave the Scum Team a legacy post, and not just say what she needs to say in BTSC? Is there a deception within her words intended for some deep-wolfing endgame? Does anyone even remember anything she said? All good questions.

I'll get you a fresh review on Mac and iaafr. For now I'm going to [VOTE: juliets] aubergine because she didn't look good from the Elephant interactions, and a couple of other things.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:12 pm sprityo is alive on a Day 7. Got-almighty that has to be some kind of record.

It's his F3 cred.

Just telling you why "bamboozled" pings me. It got wordy.

Well, the "irresponsible foolery" was connected to "lollygagging" in the example, while the implication of "bamboozled" was laid out in the previous sentence. Dumbfounded "doi-oi-oi" confusion.

How did vanity trick you? Like, we know now that he was Civ now, but back then you were putting the trickiness out there. In your ISO I was reminded of those times, and I remember vanity expressing frustration and apathy about the game. I don't see how that tricks you into voting Ty4on. It's really strange to turn to a player you suspect and blame them for tricking you right after a Civ lynch.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:14 am

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:25 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:50 am Ok, so some juliets ISO pulls, focusing on Elephant stuff...

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:11 pm So Elephant and Faraday did not vote for Drago. Was there someone else?

I did not.

yeah but I consider your reason acceptable. Creature did not either but I still read him town.

Juliets narrowed the focus of Drago nonvoters to Elephant and DF, disregarding boo and Creature, both town. Could be viewed as TMI, but I go for the town lean here because of narrowing the focus on Elephant.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:24 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm

That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh

He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

I read him as genuinely sorry he was a factor in my melting down if that makes any difference.

Takes the side against Elephant's attempt to lynch vanity. Town lean again.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm I'm moving back to Faraday for the moment.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:50 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm why did the dfaraday wagon completely die?

I don't know, I just moved back. I would rather land on someone who didn't vote Drago.

Ended up on DF and not Elephant. Scum lean for that one, looks like the "Elephant or DF" post earlier could be distancing.

The rest of Day 3 juliets mostly casually engages Elephant, questioning here and there, but never suspecting. She doesn't like it said that she copied Elephant's reads. Slightly scummish? She then votes vanity, which would have lynched him that Day if Ty4on hadn't foolishly shot himself in the foot.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:41 pm

You're correct I did not post an analysis of vanity, I was tired and it didn't seem necessary. I read through him, noticed there was a lot of emotion in his posts and asked Ty4on the question. I pointed at you because I have been uneasy about you. I have tried to collect some thoughts/questions this morning and this afternoon which I will post in a minute. Maybe you are town and I am just paranoid about you.

Your earlier posts today were showing a growing scum-read on Ty4on, and very few other strong stances on anyone's alignment. You engage Elephant about vanity but you don't really give your own opinion on them very strongly, just question-prompts. Did you decide to start focussing on vanity because of the growing number of vanity voters? Why do you suspect vanity more than Ty4on?

Oh you were right LC I didn't see this or several other posts on this page.

I can't remember exactly when I decided I needed to focus on vanity but the votes that persuaded me were hyena's and Nanook's, especially when Nanook moved. At some point in this day phase I had reviewed nova's posts and decided some seemed scummy but on the whole I wasn't overwhelmed with scumminess as I remember being in the moments that he was posting. I'm pretty sure I posted in the thread what my feeling was about his posts. So, I decided to give Ty4on a chance today and see what he had to say. I'm not sure that was the right decision at this point because Ty4on hasn't jumped into discussion as much as I hoped he would. Plus part of me wants to give that other thread the info of who he is hoping that would be useful. He would probably be my alternate vote if vanity came into the thread and gave good responses for the suspicion on him.

I don't like this post much. I questioned juliets about how much her vanity vote relied on Elephant, and she directs the reasoning as sheeping two town players, and then sets up Ty4on as her alternate vote. No mention of Elephant in her answer at all. Scum lean.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:02 pm Well that sucked.

But it looks like Nanook may have successfully stopped a kill???

Either way, my choice is clear and has been clear since the lynch post. I regret my part in how that went down.

[VOTE: vanity.] aubergine

Or the vig didn't kill lol, I kinda doubt he would have blocked them? Idk I'm clearly confused lol

I'm thinking it's more the vig didn't kill.

I will join you in a vanity vote. I feel bamboozled.

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

This is the start of Day 4, where juliets instantly sheeps nutella's aggressive vote on vanity. "I feel bamboozled"? Scum lean. I know that wasn't an Elephant interaction, but it's notable enough when I saw it, given we now know that vanity and nutella are both town here.

That's all the time I have right now, I am going to sleep. I will continue this tomorrow if I can make time after catching up.

I'm not sure how the bamboozled is scum? I felt like vanity had pocketed me and gotten me to move my vote to someone who was town. I think it's natural to feel this way after that kind of lynch. I'll try and answer to all these in a little while.

I don't recall vanity pocketing you, how did this happen to such a degree that a mislynch on another player left you "bamboozled"? And vanity was town. If you were pocketed, then that's something you did to yourself... like it was all in your own head. Would you have come in with the Day 4 Instavote if nutella hadn't lead the way? It looks like an easy sheeping opportunity taken advantage of.

Regardless of what it seemed like to you I was not sheeping. I made the decision during the night phase.

And what if I was sheeping nutella? That makes me bad?? nutella was our top town read.

Maybe we are not working with the same definition of bamboozled. To me it means tricked. I felt like he had talked his way out of being lynched when he was indeed scum.

I don't really look too favorably on sheeping. I think it's more likely to be used as a pocketing device with the flavour of Civ-friendly meekness.

We share a common definition for the word. But let's be honest here, there's a reason to use "bamboozled" instead of "tricked". It brings to mind a level of trickery that made your head spin with animated question marks popping up like bubbles around it, while you look dumbfounded in confusion. It's like using "lollygagging" instead of "lagging behind" or something. It has implications that irresponsibly foolery is involved. You know?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:03 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:38 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:03 pm I'm having an epiphan-t here. Many things make a lot of sense with a scum elephant. I just want the ok from juliets before I vote for him.

as I understood Juliets, she did not give you an ok? Or did she?

I can go into all of the reasons that I'd rather not go into, and I very much dislike that vanity is the source behind this. Obviously it won't involve me revealing private information, I'd simply not want scum to draw the same conclusions I did.

I did not give the ok. Far from it.

This is what I'm talking about. Here, juliets specifically says she's not ok with nutella pulling the trigger on Elephant.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:05 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:02 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:07 am Like, do I really need to go on? Nutella has been swinging wherever the tide goes between Elephant and Vanity, and then, when she has had a chance to flip one of them, she hasn't. TWICE.

Nice work on nutella wobbling! My world always had vanity as wolf as the centerpiece, and I wanted to flip vanity before nutella because of that. But your world suggests that there is a scum-sided interest in keeping the Elephant/vanity dichotomy going, and in that case vanity could be town-aligned. That does turn quite a few things on their head.

One thing about nutella that I just want to mention is she is wishy-washy and changes her mind often when town. I don't believe I've ever seen this many swings on the same person/people though.

Defends nutella with a true thing, then washes it away by leaving the audience with a bad taste in their mouth about it depsite the defense.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:25 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:50 am Ok, so some juliets ISO pulls, focusing on Elephant stuff...

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:11 pm So Elephant and Faraday did not vote for Drago. Was there someone else?

I did not.

yeah but I consider your reason acceptable. Creature did not either but I still read him town.

Juliets narrowed the focus of Drago nonvoters to Elephant and DF, disregarding boo and Creature, both town. Could be viewed as TMI, but I go for the town lean here because of narrowing the focus on Elephant.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:24 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me

"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?

That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh

He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

I read him as genuinely sorry he was a factor in my melting down if that makes any difference.

Takes the side against Elephant's attempt to lynch vanity. Town lean again.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm I'm moving back to Faraday for the moment.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:50 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm why did the dfaraday wagon completely die?

I don't know, I just moved back. I would rather land on someone who didn't vote Drago.

Ended up on DF and not Elephant. Scum lean for that one, looks like the "Elephant or DF" post earlier could be distancing.

The rest of Day 3 juliets mostly casually engages Elephant, questioning here and there, but never suspecting. She doesn't like it said that she copied Elephant's reads. Slightly scummish? She then votes vanity, which would have lynched him that Day if Ty4on hadn't foolishly shot himself in the foot.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:28 pm Here's how I see it, juliets: people start to vote vanity, then you made a couple of posts that broadcast a likely vanity vote. You said you were going to "eat and read through vanity again" which sounds good, but you don't give any analysis beyond asking Ty4on about vanity's emotional meta. Ty4on posted a couple of times before your next post and yet you didn't mention it again or @ - mention him or anything. Instead you just hop on the vanity train and point at me.

You're correct I did not post an analysis of vanity, I was tired and it didn't seem necessary. I read through him, noticed there was a lot of emotion in his posts and asked Ty4on the question. I pointed at you because I have been uneasy about you. I have tried to collect some thoughts/questions this morning and this afternoon which I will post in a minute. Maybe you are town and I am just paranoid about you.

Your earlier posts today were showing a growing scum-read on Ty4on, and very few other strong stances on anyone's alignment. You engage Elephant about vanity but you don't really give your own opinion on them very strongly, just question-prompts. Did you decide to start focussing on vanity because of the growing number of vanity voters? Why do you suspect vanity more than Ty4on?

Oh you were right LC I didn't see this or several other posts on this page.

I can't remember exactly when I decided I needed to focus on vanity but the votes that persuaded me were hyena's and Nanook's, especially when Nanook moved. At some point in this day phase I had reviewed nova's posts and decided some seemed scummy but on the whole I wasn't overwhelmed with scumminess as I remember being in the moments that he was posting. I'm pretty sure I posted in the thread what my feeling was about his posts. So, I decided to give Ty4on a chance today and see what he had to say. I'm not sure that was the right decision at this point because Ty4on hasn't jumped into discussion as much as I hoped he would. Plus part of me wants to give that other thread the info of who he is hoping that would be useful. He would probably be my alternate vote if vanity came into the thread and gave good responses for the suspicion on him.

I don't like this post much. I questioned juliets about how much her vanity vote relied on Elephant, and she directs the reasoning as sheeping two town players, and then sets up Ty4on as her alternate vote. No mention of Elephant in her answer at all. Scum lean.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:02 pm Well that sucked.

But it looks like Nanook may have successfully stopped a kill???

Either way, my choice is clear and has been clear since the lynch post. I regret my part in how that went down.

[VOTE: vanity.] aubergine

Or the vig didn't kill lol, I kinda doubt he would have blocked them? Idk I'm clearly confused lol

I'm thinking it's more the vig didn't kill.

I will join you in a vanity vote. I feel bamboozled.

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

This is the start of Day 4, where juliets instantly sheeps nutella's aggressive vote on vanity. "I feel bamboozled"? Scum lean. I know that wasn't an Elephant interaction, but it's notable enough when I saw it, given we now know that vanity and nutella are both town here.

That's all the time I have right now, I am going to sleep. I will continue this tomorrow if I can make time after catching up.

I'm not sure how the bamboozled is scum? I felt like vanity had pocketed me and gotten me to move my vote to someone who was town. I think it's natural to feel this way after that kind of lynch. I'll try and answer to all these in a little while.

I don't recall vanity pocketing you, how did this happen to such a degree that a mislynch on another player left you "bamboozled"? And vanity was town. If you were pocketed, then that's something you did to yourself... like it was all in your own head. Would you have come in with the Day 4 Instavote if nutella hadn't lead the way? It looks like an easy sheeping opportunity taken advantage of.

Continuing through juliets' posts...

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:58 pm ....Holy crap vanity thank you for making me revisit this whole thing. I don't think juliets ever actually vouched for elephant and the way I think this happened could actually be compatible with him being scum that has pocketed her. @juliets any thoughts that don't brush up against the rules? Do you think elephant could be scum here?

Apologies for not answering earlier, I had to make some phone calls and eat.

As for thoughts -

If Elephant were scum, why would he take someone who is a good mislynch candidate, i.e., has suspicion on her and declare her lock town? It would have been so easy just to agree with those who have been saying I'm probably scum and not even have to push hard for my lynch, just a little nudge and I believe I would have been mislynched maybe not yesterday but soon. So instead of doing that he decided to pocket me? What good does that do, I have no influence in the thread. It makes so much more sense to get me mislynched. So no, I don't think he could be scum here but I won't call him lock town for his own good.

This is a very bad look, and it's severely compounded by the fact that juliets allowed nutella to repeatedly state that she trusts Elephant based on juliets' say-so, something that I don't recall juliets ever speaking out against. This is similar to iaafr allowing Eva to put out that he's the doublevoter and so we shouldn't lynch him, except that nutella was Civilian and pushed it a lot more than Eva ever did. Juliets (I mean correct me if I'm wrong) basically quietly nodded whenever nutella lock-towned juliets-Elephant.

Ok, so some juliets ISO pulls, focusing on Elephant stuff...

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:11 pm So Elephant and Faraday did not vote for Drago. Was there someone else?

I did not.

yeah but I consider your reason acceptable. Creature did not either but I still read him town.

Juliets narrowed the focus of Drago nonvoters to Elephant and DF, disregarding boo and Creature, both town. Could be viewed as TMI, but I go for the town lean here because of narrowing the focus on Elephant.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:24 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me

"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?

That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh

He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

I read him as genuinely sorry he was a factor in my melting down if that makes any difference.

Takes the side against Elephant's attempt to lynch vanity. Town lean again.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm I'm moving back to Faraday for the moment.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:50 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm why did the dfaraday wagon completely die?

I don't know, I just moved back. I would rather land on someone who didn't vote Drago.

Ended up on DF and not Elephant. Scum lean for that one, looks like the "Elephant or DF" post earlier could be distancing.

The rest of Day 3 juliets mostly casually engages Elephant, questioning here and there, but never suspecting. She doesn't like it said that she copied Elephant's reads. Slightly scummish? She then votes vanity, which would have lynched him that Day if Ty4on hadn't foolishly shot himself in the foot.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:28 pm Here's how I see it, juliets: people start to vote vanity, then you made a couple of posts that broadcast a likely vanity vote. You said you were going to "eat and read through vanity again" which sounds good, but you don't give any analysis beyond asking Ty4on about vanity's emotional meta. Ty4on posted a couple of times before your next post and yet you didn't mention it again or @ - mention him or anything. Instead you just hop on the vanity train and point at me.

You're correct I did not post an analysis of vanity, I was tired and it didn't seem necessary. I read through him, noticed there was a lot of emotion in his posts and asked Ty4on the question. I pointed at you because I have been uneasy about you. I have tried to collect some thoughts/questions this morning and this afternoon which I will post in a minute. Maybe you are town and I am just paranoid about you.

Your earlier posts today were showing a growing scum-read on Ty4on, and very few other strong stances on anyone's alignment. You engage Elephant about vanity but you don't really give your own opinion on them very strongly, just question-prompts. Did you decide to start focussing on vanity because of the growing number of vanity voters? Why do you suspect vanity more than Ty4on?

Oh you were right LC I didn't see this or several other posts on this page.

I can't remember exactly when I decided I needed to focus on vanity but the votes that persuaded me were hyena's and Nanook's, especially when Nanook moved. At some point in this day phase I had reviewed nova's posts and decided some seemed scummy but on the whole I wasn't overwhelmed with scumminess as I remember being in the moments that he was posting. I'm pretty sure I posted in the thread what my feeling was about his posts. So, I decided to give Ty4on a chance today and see what he had to say. I'm not sure that was the right decision at this point because Ty4on hasn't jumped into discussion as much as I hoped he would. Plus part of me wants to give that other thread the info of who he is hoping that would be useful. He would probably be my alternate vote if vanity came into the thread and gave good responses for the suspicion on him.

I don't like this post much. I questioned juliets about how much her vanity vote relied on Elephant, and she directs the reasoning as sheeping two town players, and then sets up Ty4on as her alternate vote. No mention of Elephant in her answer at all. Scum lean.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:02 pm Well that sucked.

But it looks like Nanook may have successfully stopped a kill???

Either way, my choice is clear and has been clear since the lynch post. I regret my part in how that went down.

[VOTE: vanity.] aubergine

Or the vig didn't kill lol, I kinda doubt he would have blocked them? Idk I'm clearly confused lol

I'm thinking it's more the vig didn't kill.

I will join you in a vanity vote. I feel bamboozled.

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

This is the start of Day 4, where juliets instantly sheeps nutella's aggressive vote on vanity. "I feel bamboozled"? Scum lean. I know that wasn't an Elephant interaction, but it's notable enough when I saw it, given we now know that vanity and nutella are both town here.

That's all the time I have right now, I am going to sleep. I will continue this tomorrow if I can make time after catching up.

Looks like iaafr is the one today. I'll stay on LLD in case of last minute changes.

I'm here, but I'm going to work, good luck on this lynch.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:38 am I’d love some reads on 112. I feel like they’re spouting bullshit and I’m the only one who cares.

I looked over the last couple of ISO pages on 112. I see some bullshit, and some non-bullshit. Voted for both Eva and Elephant, but then ends up off-wagon for either.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:16 am LLC! Ha. I'm used to typing LC. I meant LLD.

Haaaa, I was like *which one does he mean?*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:52 pm To answer your question though, I skirted the question because I'm a civilian. Why should I entertain it further?

I expect a civilian to be honest about the nature of the question, you know? The mathy deflection is fun and clever, but not honest.

And my feelings, of course, weren't hurt. I was just taken aback. I'm not being a Clown.