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Yeah, the town would have had to be damn near perfect, and that isn't due to the game's mechanics.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:19 pmEven if the town were good, the mafia would still have wiped the floor because we were such a great team
Absolutely key.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:40 pm Damn, Dunya deserved the win as much as everybody else on our team!
Imagine a world where Night 4 came and my target received a Mana Leaf. What is your response?Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:17 pmMy assumption (what I mean by the LC/tsp connection) is that they're teammates. Dunya/TSP wouldn't have to actually receive a leaf, just nudge you in that direction to trust LC.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:15 pmexcept that Dunya and myself have claimed maple leafs, and you have claimed to not target either of us.Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:09 pmI assumed from the first moment this clicked that he somehow blocked me and copied my power (for one night). The dunya/tsp connection to me makes a lot of sense when framed like that. It is possible I'm being too stubborn with my precise explanation (and I know it has holes - I've pointed these out myself, Urist did too), but it's what I think happened and it makes LC scum. If I'm wrong about his specific role, I still feel like there's something fucky there.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05 pm That's right, mac claimed RB.
He blocked Dunya N1, confirmed by him in thread and confirmed by Dunya in thread and chat.
Right, Mac blocking Marmot would block you from sending a leaf, but he died.
Do you think LC is a scum mirror of you? @Enrique
Why would I choose to steal from you? Were you a juicy target? Maybe I was like "HEY this guy is barely in this game at all, he MUST have a sweet ability, probably better than Joseph or Guillo who can block and hurt people! Nah, let's roll the dice on Mr Not-here!"Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:09 pmI assumed from the first moment this clicked that he somehow blocked me and copied my power (for one night). The dunya/tsp connection to me makes a lot of sense when framed like that. It is possible I'm being too stubborn with my precise explanation (and I know it has holes - I've pointed these out myself, Urist did too), but it's what I think happened and it makes LC scum. If I'm wrong about his specific role, I still feel like there's something fucky there.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05 pm That's right, mac claimed RB.
He blocked Dunya N1, confirmed by him in thread and confirmed by Dunya in thread and chat.
Right, Mac blocking Marmot would block you from sending a leaf, but he died.
Do you think LC is a scum mirror of you? @Enrique
Why can't he be the scum mirror of me?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05 pm That's right, mac claimed RB.
He blocked Dunya N1, confirmed by him in thread and confirmed by Dunya in thread and chat.
Right, Mac blocking Marmot would block you from sending a leaf, but he died.
Do you think LC is a scum mirror of you? @Enrique
What? LOL Sure ok I'll go with a plan. I literally sent you a Mana Leaf already and Enrique didn't. But if this plan will prove something to you then ok. I don't think this will help to solve the game.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:01 pmI'm struggling to justify two people with the same action given how much thought and effort seems to have gone into the creation of this game. Copy Paste seems way lazier than what everything we've seen thus far would indicate Tutuu is.Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:56 pmNobody can vouch for me because I gave the first leaf to Jack (didn't get it) and the second to Mac (died). I will give a new one to Jack tonight though. I'm aware it's kind of an absurd position to be making my claim from, but it's all true. I've thought that LC likely stole my ability on one night (to get you a leaf) and the dunya stuff was just a lie.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:52 pm @Long Con @Enrique both of you are claiming to hand out Maple Leaf cards, yes? I'm not mistaken when I say that?
If so, who gave the card to Dunya and who gave the card to me?
Also, someone gave me mana last night. 1 colorless and two of the same color.
I've also never given anyone any mana or received it. Making mana leaves takes up all the mana I produce. My kicker lets me make a Black Lotus (slightly stronger version of the same) but I don't think it's worth asking for mana / risking a PtF.
This is what I was trying to get that earlier in the day and I completely agree.Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:58 pmI suspect that the ability which created the special execution mechanic on d3 is the same one that created the special execution mechanic today. It doesn't make any sense for them to be two separate abilities (what would happen if they were both used at the same time?)
Also, dunya was given a ton of mana for n2 and I don't think anyone gave her mana for n3, so how would Tony execute this special ability unless it was initially triggered n2 and this is just an after-effect?
What I'm getting at is that TSP is probably mafia. And that, unfortunately, I'm probably wrong on hk and that he's likely town after all.
Maybe there's a way to confirm both of you though..
Maybe you can send within player pool X and LC can send within player pool Y. I dunno, lemme think on that
Beneficial for you or beneficial for your target? How did you know there would be a neighbourhood tonight?Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:51 pmBecause there's a beneficial side to my action and I knew you'd be the least affected since you'd most likely be able to speak through a neighborhood today.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:47 pmHello. I have done it. I have also been silenced. The purpose of the neighborhood is as follows: this ability gains its power from the existence of the confirmed town epi. I will plan on sheeping whatever Epi decides (barring him making a stupid decision or disappearing). However, I only have 10 posts to use in the thread and I have to use posts to vote so HK and Epi speak for me today.
Would also love to know why you silenced me. smh. [VOTE: urist] aubergine that's not nice.
Also because I couldn't silence Guillotine on consecutive nights.
I gave both. Not the mana.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:52 pm @Long Con @Enrique both of you are claiming to hand out Maple Leaf cards, yes? I'm not mistaken when I say that?
If so, who gave the card to Dunya and who gave the card to me?
Also, someone gave me mana last night. 1 colorless and two of the same color.
As soon as we yeet Urist?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:38 pm And you would be correct with that observation. Like I said, it will become clearer soon enough.
What's this all about?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pmI get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pmThat of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pmwhat does this mean?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pmyou're reading for content but the context is also important to note.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pmI listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?
I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.
I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair
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So it means you think falcon and I are wolfmates. Sub-par slang IMO.Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:52 pmNo it's the sound a bus makes.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:28 pmIs that like... the Road Runner?Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:18 pmBeep beepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:28 amSorry, I didn't read that rule anywhere. Interesting you single me out, when others did the same.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 amThis is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.
Town: TSP
Scum: falcon
It wouldn't be because I'm sussing you, right?
No, thats never why
Is that like... the Road Runner?Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:18 pmBeep beepfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:28 amSorry, I didn't read that rule anywhere. Interesting you single me out, when others did the same.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 amThis is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.
Town: TSP
Scum: falcon
It wouldn't be because I'm sussing you, right?
No, thats never why
Probably.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:28 amSorry, I didn't read that rule anywhere. Interesting you single me out, when others did the same.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 amThis is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.
Town: TSP
Scum: falcon
It wouldn't be because I'm sussing you, right?
No, thats never why
No, not a slip. That would have been
. Probably some residual wtf seeped in from Enrique's accusation. I still wants to know the difference between a customized fake claim and a regular one, but I see that you don't have the answers.This is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.
What? I didn't go after Epi after Marmot flipped mason.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:17 pm Where the heck is LC's claim? Like where have we gotten the idea that LC specifically caused the mana thingie to go to HK instead of me?
LC acted ignorant to me not getting the leaf from Enrique.
The main thing I remember about LC's play is that he had the same reasoning as me re: giving 6 mana doesn't make Epi town AND that he then went after Epi, who had just claimed mason with dead Marmot, who had flipped mason.
It's all mixed signals, ya know?
If one of us is fake, it's Enrique. I'm town, my ability is Mana Leafs, and it has been from the start.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:17 pmI'm trying to figure that out. It's possible there are two people that hand out maple leaf cards.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:12 pmWhy does he need to make up such a blatantly false fake claim if he was given a customized one by the host?Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:58 pmMy role is real. I think LC copied it or somehow took the leaf I was giving Jack. It’s called a mana leaf. The properties hk gives are slightly off from what I make though. You have to spend one mana to make two more of one color (so it doesn’t “boost it by two”). Could have easily just missed the cost though.
Great questions!Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:05 pm The questions are:
1) Why would LC lie so openly while I’m still alive?
2) Why not silence me immediately after?
Mac also suspected LC though, and his block ability could be perceived as the bigger threat. Did they just think I wouldn’t notice?
You can read my ISO. I hinted at my role since Day 2 when I started posting, way before he did. It’s not a fake claim. I can make anyone a leaf tonight (I gave yesterday’s to Mac because only he and Jack volunteered when I asked...).
lol motherfuck
Well, I have given out Mana Leafs to two living people. Did I copy your role permanently?Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:58 pmMy role is real. I think LC copied it or somehow took the leaf I was giving Jack. It’s called a mana leaf. The properties hk gives are slightly off from what I make though. You have to spend one mana to make two more of one color (so it doesn’t “boost it by two”). Could have easily just missed the cost though.
Who was in your towncore?
It's confirmed *not* a trick though, by tutuu's updates on the situation.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:48 pmDude, you're crazy. This is a cosmic mindfuck, I don't really know what's happening right now.
Feel like I'm 6 yo watching my parents do their taxes
What do you mean? Sorry if it's explained.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:17 pm Btw, nothing changed about my mana from Enrique. Idk if there's a delay or if it didn't work or what.
What would you do if you and one other player were exposed?Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:53 pm @112 I only need one, you should probably send the other two to two other townreads. Let me know when you've submitted to the mod.
It's optimal to cover all but two... I'm not sure why we wouldn't aim for that, it's not that difficult. Leaving more than two open does nothing but give mafia more options.
Someone else said Esooa doesn't like to roll scum, and would have more trouble engaging or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pmMostly based on Esooa's lack of engagement past the mech discussion. I struggle to imagine scumEsooa not getting into the game.
I'm saying they are players that I have found suspicious, I don't really try to match up my suspicions for teammate equity, I mostly focus on individuals. Urist's point that the three of them are all voting each other is relevant. Maybe a team would do that and then point it out for the joy of WIFOM.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:20 pmok, got it. You are saying Mac, 112, Urist are mafiaLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:54 pmYes, I am familiar with this common cliché. Mine is two truths and a truth, for the record.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:31 pmI meant I think Mac/Urist might be town, and that 112 isn't. Therefore two lies and a truth.
You guys are all protecting each other?Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:01 pmImagine if me, mac & 112 are all protecting each other as the scum team. Amazing play that would be.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:54 pmYes, I am familiar with this common cliché. Mine is two truths and a truth, for the record.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:31 pmI meant I think Mac/Urist might be town, and that 112 isn't. Therefore two lies and a truth.
Yes, I am familiar with this common cliché. Mine is two truths and a truth, for the record.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:31 pmI meant I think Mac/Urist might be town, and that 112 isn't. Therefore two lies and a truth.
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:46 am....
basically, he's saying if he had sent guill 6 mana and all hell broke loose, he would have an idea that maybe it was guil who did that hell. that was the intention behind sending someone like guill all that mana. i think.
alternatively, if the person you sent all that mana to stays mum, and doesn't react, and all hell didn't break loose, i think that's what made epi town read guill. i am not there yet, or close, but i can see why i guess. mafia would know none of them sent it to each other, so 6 unaccounted mana means people trusted them. i'm still loling guil starts day 2 with 6 mana gifts and then questions epi lol
i dont even know why we are wasting time talking about this. epi is lock town by mechanics.
You ask. You tagged me. The plan still doesn't make sense to me... Epi townread Guillo, if he thought he could catch someone with a mana gift, why wouldn't he send it to a suspect? Doesn't matter any more. Still 4.5/10, and that's pretty generous.
...and maybe hollowkatt.
Assuming you mean "trust" as "believe in the towniness of", I trust you and Guillo. I don't trust you to not try and get me killed, but I'm pretty used to it. dunya looks pretty good, falcon too.
What do you mean you hope to have more on dunya today? Hasn't she been participating enough? She's almost post leader at this point. Why does JPIC get subtracted?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:35 pmtwo between me, dunya, 112, jpic, lc; subtract me and jpic = lc, 112, dunya. Of those, 112 seems the most sus to me. Dunya I hope to have more on today. LC feels ok to me? otoh my reads are bad stop sheeping me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:21 pmDeduction. I think below sorta is a good basis for solving further.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:16 pmHow do you figure?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:14 pm I think LC is highly likely to be mafia. If we can flip someone today it probably should be him.
Two mafia between you, Dunya, 112, JPIC, Hollowkatt.
1 between Enrique/Falcon.
I think 112 is town for bad reasons. HK is pretty ok. JPIC has been pushed a lot and probably by wolves.
I have little reason to feel good about you.
She's the least suspicious of the people who didn't have votes already. Mostly gut. Plus she was blocked and the kill still went through, so that's a little bit good.
I don't see how sending a player a bunch of mana clears anyone. I don't understand the plan, I guess. So, for example, if I receive a bunch of mana tonight, and tomorrow Enrique says he sent it, I should lock him town and appreciate his genius plan?
No, I thought Epi was trying to buddy Guillo.dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:55 ami think LC is saying between 4 mafia, they could have sent guillio 6 mana, like some send 1 and some send 2.
but why would mafia send SIX mana to town? highly unlikely. i'm gonna wager tutuu has given them things they can do with their mana lol.
i dont think mafia have "sent" mana to anyone but themselves.
were you assuming epixguil were w/w @Long Con?
They do have fake claims, what exactly do you mean by "customized"?
