The Syndicate

Welcome back, Scotty!!

Scotty and S~V~S. Too delightful. GG.

Oh my God, Scotty... it IS you, isn't it?

You're kind of a jerk for messing with me so much, really.

Almost there. Two smug wolves voting me, and two town members who chose to ignore that I very obviously townslipped, and probably didn't really read the posts that I put the most heart and desperate honesty into. So, bed made. I have no idea who is who anymore, and most likely I never really did.

There's no F3. Stop wasting your time.

Sweet strummin' there, falcon! You deserve to win Guitar Mafia just for that. I hope you're a wolf!

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:49 am In all likelihood LC is a hit here..,I know at least 1 wolf is voting there atm. LC being on his own island voting for SVS just reads as anti-spew.

The other thing with LC is how acquiescent he is to me being town. I know I’m town for {reasons}, but I’m not even sure if LC has fully laid out his own reasons and if I were him, I’d be extremely dubious

Fine, Jesus Christ, have it your way. [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Very well-played, wolves, good game!

"LCs first mention of Timmer was his list, his next mention of Timmer was voting for him." Yeah, lies. When something is not the truth, it's a lie. You should laugh; you've won the game, congrats. Since you're still adamantly unwilling to read my posts, this is probably the last interaction we'll have this game.

Whichever one of you is the town player that is voting for me. I didn't plan a cute fakeslip after night 2. I genuinely forgot about a nightkill because of my shock that Hal wasn't a wolf, and my mind was on getting in to talk about it as early as possible because I knew that the wolves would jump at the chance to yeet me and win the game. I was online right at 7pm, ready to get postin', and I was like "Epignosis isn't even ONLINE!!" and then I remembered the night was over at 8pm, not 7 (residual from the elimination poll mixup). I went to my buddy's house last night, and I couldn't leave it until after 8pm + posting time because that was too late to go.

So instead I went over, and managed to sneak a peek at the thread on my phone. I scrolled past Epignosis' posts to see player reactions, and tried to post, though it was hasty, phone-posty, eyesight-trouble-tiny-text phone. I honestly forgot that there was a nightkill. If it had been me, then I would have been violating rules and had posts swiftly deleted. My focus was on damage control or whatever after the Hal elimination fiasco.

So there it is. That is my best reconstruction of my perspective during those events/posts, and I promise you that this is a 100% true account.

I did not know that jpic was killed, and I did not fake any of that. If you still need to vote for me after knowing that fact, then I have nothing more impressive to say, and the wolves have won. Thank you for respecting my wolf game that much that you think I would manufacture this whole scenario.

Who do you know that has made a game-altering slip more than me? I can't imagine anyone has come close. This time, it has the potential to save the game for the town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:07 pm ok sure

I mean, you're the one on the block.






The 3 of us can't all be Maf, but what if the 3 of us are town?

Then the game is probably lost.

ok sure

Did you really say you could never be this engaged as a wolf??

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:18 pm The reality seems to be Roxy as the main swing vote, if we want to go with a falcon/S~V~S team. If Roxy is town, and won't budge from me, then the game is already over.

Scotty says I'm your teammate, but seems quite fine with swapping over to an svs/falcon team.






That sits well with you? Why does Scotty have to be town?





It seems like you only really care about solving SVS....you're not alone there, quite a few players only care about one player, but why are you so sure of your town read in Scotty in a game where town is getting absolutely smoked?

My earlier good impressions of him were only heightened by his diligent work today, it looks like real solving to me. If he's bad, I am prepared to lose to it. I'm not that interested in a solution that has Scotty as a wolf. He's said all the right things. He's been more paranoid of me than I have been of him. I just like it.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:43 am @S~V~S I feel you on LC. He has been up for elim for two days yet he has slicked by somehow by rallying everyone at EOD.

I rallied people?? When? I didn't "slick by" at all, there just wasn't as much interest in voting me as you seem to think.

It feels strange. It reads funky. It feels so full of bad vibing.

Hey, man... those are my normal posts, so why don't you take your presuppositions or Scary Name Paranoia or whatever is happening right in this section, and seriously toss it right the fuck out the window, because I promise you that it is all in your head. Bad vibing? Come on, I get that none of these terms are remotely quantifiable, but I assure you in the strongest fashion possible that my posts have been my thoughts, mostly unedited, about the game, so I don't even know where you are getting this from. I'm not offended in any way that you should be concerned about, because we are friends, but I am *reasonably offended* by this characterization, because.... yeah I'm gonna say it.... you're barking up the wrong tree.

The reality seems to be Roxy as the main swing vote, if we want to go with a falcon/S~V~S team. If Roxy is town, and won't budge from me, then the game is already over.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine I'm putting it on the board. I have to reach a consensus with the remaining town on who's going, but there, you know where I stand. Subject to change for the Next Best Thing.

And that is dishonest anyway. I brought you up for the first time, and voted for you, near the start of Day 2, before you even posted.

That's after the Day 1 results, and enduring 24 hours without being able to post, just think and read. There's no stretch stretchy enough to make your characterization here even close to honest.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:24 am.....I was on LC's town reads, then as soon as I voted for them, I was public enemy number one.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

In which list was that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:53 pm Maybe. Maybe it's a telling thing to be arguing, probably better to think that way in a game like this. And you obviously didn't search for "Timmerman", Miss Read the ISO... I accused him earlier than even the evil guitar comment.

Like, maybe a silly thing to be arguing, so why is it happening? It's a silly thing altogether, but you made it a thing and then neglected due diligence on my ISO, and Y'KNOW, when I'm searching for clues in an ISO, I READ the posts because context is ESSENTIAL when trying to understand the subtleties of a wolf's deception. Typing in a search term is NOT the way that one looks through ISOs when they're doing detective work, it is how a Wolf looks for a gotcha.

You are that Wolf, and you are caught.

@S~V~S This is my strongest, most clear statement in the game about why I suspect you. You did not engage with it in the slightest, despite engaging me soon after about other things, like how many times Timmer was REALLY mentioned in my ISO.

I would expect at least a token "that's how I always do ISOs" or something, but you avoided even acknowledging it. I understand why. It's because it's true, and I did catch you skim-constructing a case against me while showing evidence of a lack of actually reading my posts.

The reason you said nothing is because you wanted it to go away, and engaging with it would not help that happen.

Also, "would never be this engaged" as a wolf? That's a really tough one to analyze, do we judge by post count, or the level of deep-dive understanding within his content? Number of wise and intelligent analyses recorded? Ok I go.

Hey, I'm not doing the reread respond thing right now. Just got home, went straight to Mafia to get quickly caught up, and I gotta just shower, decompress, feed my kids, etc. We have till tomorrow evening, I'll be back on with more focus in a couple of hoursish.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:12 pm S~V~S is a wolf, and I'll die or win believing this.

You are somewhat convincing in your Roxy analysis, and you label her as your top town. I'm willing to go with it, and I kind of don't think they'd be so copacetic with each other all game if they were the wolves. They'd want to do some mild distancing at the very least.

So, it's S~V~S and falcon.

I can dig this.

What do you make of falcon's argument that he would never be this engaged as wolf? I don't know what history you have with him in that regard.

So I mean, if by deduction you think SVS is blatantly wolf, and believe me and Roxy, what about falcon makes him seem wolfy to you?

I don't know falcon's game well enough to judge that, but I put very little stock in most self-proclaimed 'tells'.

If S~V~S is wolf and you and Roxy are town, then it has to be him... finding him wolfy would be secondary to the straight up numbers. I haven't done my own falcon-dive, and anything I bring up here as wolfy would pretty much be parroting some reasonable points you already made. I don't have better than you've already researched.

S~V~S is a wolf, and I'll die or win believing this.

You are somewhat convincing in your Roxy analysis, and you label her as your top town. I'm willing to go with it, and I kind of don't think they'd be so copacetic with each other all game if they were the wolves. They'd want to do some mild distancing at the very least.

So, it's S~V~S and falcon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:06 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:14 pm Just humor me falcon- are there any worlds where the wolves are SVS/LC, and Roxy and I are town?

Of course there is, and I need those two to engage, because it would be easy for Maf to sit back and allow town to rip each other apart

Sorry, I meant: what makes SVS and LC scummy?
Let’s do an exercise

My JPIC slip should be clearing for me, you should take it at face value and understand you should look elsewhere.

You also ‘slipped’ by asking how many days we have to mislynch before we lose, even tho you were cognizant enough to guess this was a 7v2 at the beginning of the game.

That's not a slip. I just hadn't thought about it until that point. I'm used to larger games.

Just did.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:14 pm Just humor me falcon- are there any worlds where the wolves are SVS/LC, and Roxy and I are town?

Of course there is, and I need those two to engage, because it would be easy for Maf to sit back and allow town to rip each other apart

Sorry, I meant: what makes SVS and LC scummy?
Let’s do an exercise

My JPIC slip should be clearing for me, you should take it at face value and understand you should look elsewhere.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:58 pm Ok well. Welcome to most likely mylo everyone. Pull up a chair by the amp while I strum some tunes. But not too close, because you don't want tinnitus.

In the night I was deadset on SVS/jpic but there goes that idea. My initial thought now is it's just SVs and LC because I think Roxy and falcon are town based on play, and they were the end of day 2 as well. SVs and LC bad mean that they were just making up an argument and tunneling each other most of D2, which I guess is entirely possible, tho I distinctly remember SVS saying in a previous game that she doesn't bus teammates unless she has to. That's my main hangup with this solve.

That's where I'm at.

I'm sure I'm probably a hot topic for at least 4 of you, so let me know if I can assuage any concern.

I don't think there's any way that Roxy/S~V~S should be considered as on a wolf team with me. I don't think any wolves go this hard for their partner in this situation. I'm the Low-Hanging Fruit here, I'm probably the easiest target to get eliminated.

All the wolves have to do is convince one town member to vote with them, and they have won the game.

In that light, the wolves are Roxy and S~V~S, maybe. Roxy seems a little more open to other options, I think, so there may be a situation where S~V~S-wolf goes hard against me and the other wolf (falcon?) listens, considers, and eventually, probably tomorrow, seals the deal. Then Roxy is just a wrong townfolk. I dunno.

Gotta hit a wolf today. We should be able to hit a wolf today. I don't feel as good as Scotty, but I think we can do this.

Long Con here, and ready to engage!

Well, almost ready. Just got home from work and did a skim catchup, now I'll go back and do responses.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:25 pm Jpic and Roxy? Not Scotty, I want to believe in him.

My dude, what?

Jpic is dead

Also you should be more suspicious of me- I feel like I’m the perfect patsy in this situarion

I just need an anchor, and you are it.

I forgot about a death happeni'm on my phone and just scroll to reactions

Jpic and Roxy? Not Scotty, I want to believe in him.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:37 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:31 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:53 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:49 am Also that was very defensive

you are damn right it is defensive why should I not be defensive?

Is that your default mode, and you only stop being defensive by conscious decision? I would tend to *start* being defensive for a reason, not auto-defensive and then see if there's a reason to stop. You don't even have any votes.

I know but I would like a better elim than yesterday with Timmer.

Have we played the right chords for victory?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:28 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:45 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:47 pm Right now, my vague Roxy read is separate from my SVS read.

lmao
do better

Thanks for the advice, what would you like specifically?

Why am I a baddie?
What did you mean vague?
Did you see something in a post I made?
SVS and I should be separate bc we are two different players.

?? I never said you were bad... you were in the more neutral yellowy area on the list. I like you as town here.

LOL!!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:58 pm I only posted that because this silence is deafening.

IIRC Roxy doesn't vote jump

Doesn't a vote-jump require a vote-start-point? Otherwise, it's just... a vote. And I didn't mean Roxy's silence, it was the whole thread.

I only posted that because this silence is deafening.

Roxy no-vote...

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:50 pm I feel like this is what has been missing. Unless i missed it, I don’t think either of you were suspecting one another and were straight to being chummy. Weirded me out lol

I just felt like Wolf Scotty didn't need to town read shady ol' LC, but he did.

Were you aware that that would make me refresh the poll like 6 times in a row?

You can count on me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:14 pm I ought to be here until EOD in 46 minutes, but I [VOTE: hal] aubergine for obvious reasons, and because Roxy seemed quite suspicious of me and could likely slap a vote my way to tie it up.

…and because you suspect Hal, right?

SVS-Hal is my top scumteam. Hal was at the level of JPIC and Roxy in my last coloured list, and they have both looked better since. I liked your analysis of Roxy's town play.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:58 pm Game could just be Hal/SVS tho guys. That’s my intuition atm

Current reads:

Town:
Roxy
Falcon

townlean:
LC
timmer (wouldn’t vote there today)

scumlean:
Jpic

Scum:
SVS
Hal

This. This is what I meant by I felt like it was there for the taking. Then JPIC is talkin' "Scotty looks worse for townreading LC" and I'm like What? No! No! That's so backwards...

Now who’s pocketing who lol

I don’t remember when you switched to townreading me

Probably when you started townreading me, lol.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:14 pm Basically i have tinfoil on you because of association

It's a solid tinfoil, no reason not to have it. I would very much love for that to be the case, don't know if it could make it to endgame.

How many misyeets do we get before wolves take it?

I ought to be here until EOD in 46 minutes, but I [VOTE: hal] aubergine for obvious reasons, and because Roxy seemed quite suspicious of me and could likely slap a vote my way to tie it up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:58 pm Game could just be Hal/SVS tho guys. That’s my intuition atm

Current reads:

Town:
Roxy
Falcon

townlean:
LC
timmer (wouldn’t vote there today)

scumlean:
Jpic

Scum:
SVS
Hal

This. This is what I meant by I felt like it was there for the taking. Then JPIC is talkin' "Scotty looks worse for townreading LC" and I'm like What? No! No! That's so backwards...

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:07 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:05 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:05 am Does mafia!long con label half the team as mafia lol

Here’s another one of those questions into the void without an answerable answer.

Does town!jpic give pep talks to himself in the mirror before a date?

Yes, but who are they pushing? Scummy Hal and a dash of LC






Do you think the timmer wagon was pure?

So if I’m parsing between LC/Hal/jpic on that wagon, I’m still leaning away from LC and some sort of difference check between Hal/jpic. Because I’d like to operate under the assumption wolves split up on that vote.

Why are you leaning away from long con?

ngl this doesn’t make me feel better about you

I thought this game was practically a done deal, felt good about it. Can't believe it has turned this ugly, it's disappointing.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:17 pm 9 players, so whaddawe got? 2 mafia? Roxy and Timmerman. GG

You voted timmer who literally did Jack and Shit, basically a 0 poster

Yeah! I wanted it to be right.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:47 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:44 pm Good thing y’all don’t post much for when I’m busy

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:14 pm Also, pocketing exists.

Who is this talking about? I can’t figure it out

You and me.

Ah sure sure

Do you feel pocketed by me? I haven’t really thought about the perception- I just think your play has been so off the cuff and zany it reads as too wolfy to be Wilgy - add on that it reminds me of your last game where you were town, and I just don’t want to believe it

I don't know the difference between the feeling believing someone is town and they feel the same.... and believing someone is town and they're using me or whatever.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:11 pm Guys, it's not unusual to have more scum leans on a list on day one than there are scum.

You're ignoring the issue that you had scum leans on players who hadn't posted or really done anything at all

Well, no, I already responded to that "issue".

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:26 pmFirst list was just about reactions, and was obviously not that serious as it ascribed alignments to zero-posters.