The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:29 pm Half hour left, and I really don't know who's going down. Sig is in the lead right now, but no one trusts the current voters enough to want to add more votes.

I'm still waiting for sig to engage at all with the case he supposedly likes, but I guess it's not going to happen, and that's because referencing my case was all he really needed, to help hold a seeming suspicion on Seanzie.

Not to mention, I mean, come on, who comes out and says they like a Long Con case? Never happens, that's the biggest red flag of all if you know your Syndicate mafia.

You guys wanna give sig a whirl? I could handle Delta, or leetic... and Porscha or Rico if that's where people wanted to go. I still have the juice to vote Seanzie, for the record, as well.

I thought you made some good points, but that’s the extent of my thoughts. And now I don’t even remember the case if we’re being honest

I think it’s odd that you’re voting based off the idea I might someday use this as groundwork when I haven’t put any real effort into voting off or going after Sean

It looked very much like groundwork. You don't have to use it, especially when I'm publicly eyeing it.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:55 pm My wagon is very sketchy so I’ll be voting agaisnt that

I won't argue that point. Porscha wagon isn't the greatest either. Epi's the only one I don't suspect at some level on it.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:42 pm For now, I will aid my top crimefighter Long Con and try to clear the name of a potential villain!

BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

Welcome back Scrappy. I thought you were gone for sure.

I'm the top crimefighter?

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:29 pm Half hour left, and I really don't know who's going down. Sig is in the lead right now, but no one trusts the current voters enough to want to add more votes.

I'm still waiting for sig to engage at all with the case he supposedly likes, but I guess it's not going to happen, and that's because referencing my case was all he really needed, to help hold a seeming suspicion on Seanzie.

Not to mention, I mean, come on, who comes out and says they like a Long Con case? Never happens, that's the biggest red flag of all if you know your Syndicate mafia.

You guys wanna give sig a whirl? I could handle Delta, or leetic... and Porscha or Rico if that's where people wanted to go. I still have the juice to vote Seanzie, for the record, as well.
For what it's worth, I do kinda think you/Seanzie are v/v ;;'

Something that I didnt really touch upon D1 since I townread you both independantly but I think the fact both of you went at each other for ages with very little intervention means that mafia were probably content to just let town argue there. Its not a huge point but something I'm conscious of & would like to hear what you think of it

Yeah, I'm open to the possibility, but I don't let go all that easily.

Half hour left, and I really don't know who's going down. Sig is in the lead right now, but no one trusts the current voters enough to want to add more votes.

I'm still waiting for sig to engage at all with the case he supposedly likes, but I guess it's not going to happen, and that's because referencing my case was all he really needed, to help hold a seeming suspicion on Seanzie.

Not to mention, I mean, come on, who comes out and says they like a Long Con case? Never happens, that's the biggest red flag of all if you know your Syndicate mafia.

You guys wanna give sig a whirl? I could handle Delta, or leetic... and Porscha or Rico if that's where people wanted to go. I still have the juice to vote Seanzie, for the record, as well.

There's been a lot of focus on trying to find pyxxy's teammate(s), which is normal and sensible.

I do believe that it's multiball. Epignosis laid it out best earlier, all the factors and history do lead to that conclusion, so I'm very comfortable assuming it is. Some people seem to communicate with the other thread, so I'd like to request that the next communication includes "Landlords" and asks about what they know over there on the subject. Maybe Lime Coke was a Landlord, and maybe not.

So I was thinking about what a non-Landlord wolf might be doing today, and their only basic recourse is to keep wolf-hunting for pyxxy's teammates, rather than trying to find the other (their own) team. Maybe something extra-effort performative.

Porscha said there are four players who are each doing a dive into pyxxy's interactions. I'd have to look and see who each of them are, but I would bet that one of them is a wolf on the other team. It just makes sense to me. Ok I'll look.

Epignosis, leetic, Rico... and Porscha did say "3-4 players" at one point so I won't nickel and dime her for it. I'm not interested in going after Epignosis, but leetic is still a Person of Interest, and Rico the same. I would at this time vote leetic over rico, but that's probably because of the thing I quoted him on, below.

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I'm still happy with my vote on sig. He "liked" my case on Seanzie twice, but has never referenced what he likes about it, or built on it. He just using it as an excuse to someday vote for Seanzie, keeping it on life support with a couple of offhand, later-referenceable nods to a guy that DID make a case.

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leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:01 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:16 am I didn't really want to be on Seanzie, alongside falcon, at the end of the day. I had long intended to move my vote by the end, and my longtime expectation was to move it on to leetic. Later, I thought I might move it to falcon, which Caitlin agreed with, but Abi was insistent that falcon was town. I wasn't reliably in-thread until closer to the deadline than I would have liked, and so I did catch-up and got a post or two in, and supported the popular pyxxy vote. Switching that late is kind of a wet fart, but it was just what I had planned to do in some form.
I'm not really sure I buy this "pyxxy was just the most convenient option" narrative when your post before your vote seemed pretty certain they would flip wolf.

Okay, well I didn't say that, did I? I said I supported the pyxxy vote, as in, I agreed by that point that putting pyxxy over was looking like our best option.

My post before was to call out pyxxy about the game we just finished together. pyxxy said something about that game (to paraphrase) mentally exhausting them as the sole wolf going through the last two yeets. As a fellow player to the end, I was one of the most able to call bullshit on that, since I had just lived it. It was a false portrayal of his necessary effort in that game, in my opinion.

That's what that post was calling him out on. I don't understand how you are interpreting it as me being "pretty certain they'd flip wolf".

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:55 pm I don't think pyxxy had to strain so hard for that win, my experience is that he was able to mostly sit back and let it happen after a great bussing vote.

Can you justify your conclusion about my meaning again, please, while you, I, and the post are all in the same room?

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:58 am also somewhat importantly he's got some sort of mech thing going on and I'm not messing with it until I figure out what it is

Is this something I shouldn't ask about? Also, do you even read my posts? I tagged you in an earlier one and you didn't respond. You're not the only one.

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Also, this is funny, I laughed:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:20 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:17 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:43 am so did nobody but me have a private n1 chat with someone from the other thread or lmao
There were voices in my head
I took drugs and they died though

Scrappy Doo is on the poll, but I have not seen them post. Perhaps they were pyxxy, and should have been removed?

@TonyStarkPrime Are you posting like drunk-despair Tony Stark, or am I adding that in because of the avatar?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:00 pm Per LC case on Sean, I think it still has some good points

Ok, this is weird because no one has ever said something like that about a case I made. I'm gonna need to know what points you thought were good, please. This is the second time you've brought this up without really referencing anything in the case as a relevant point. Just vague. I'm gonna join Tony on your budding wagon at this time. Do you see why I'm suspicious? [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:04 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:58 pm his flip is bean coloured

I dont know if it has anything to do with factions but lol
In Fire and Ice, the factions are typically distinguished by colors. But they also have names, so
makes sense

I dont think I've actually been part of any multiball games so :,) unsure there

If it is multiball, it mainly affects my read on Seanzie/you since there's no guarantee that Pyxxy would know if either of you are town or the other mafia team etc, the other two I dont think change too much

I had to/will have to check myself on who I'm townreading based off going after pyxxy. It's tough, because I still feel like I like all my townreads. So I'm keeping it in the back of my mind for now. I'd rather deal with a scum later, than turn on a civilian now.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:02 pm That's fair, I wish I had gotten on the pyxxy train, but those accolades belong elsewhere. Just before the time was up, you said you liked my case on Seanzie. I feel like he's on several town lists, so your opinion is kind of an outlier. Do you still like it?
But you were on the pyxxy wagon? Do you mean you wish you had gotten on earlier?

Yeah, I hopped on to solidify it at the end. I don't deserve any cred for it, and I'm not seeking any. It was a done deal already, barring some unlikely last-minute switches. Give me cred for other things if you like, that vote doesn't define my game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:07 am Delta
Spoiler: show

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:37 am @pyxxy get over here >:c I'm not over how the mountainous game ended
Delta summoned pyxxy on his fourth post here. I think that's noteworthy.

I won't quote the series of cartoons, but it's a nothing that goes nowhere even though pyxxy is a subject of conversation. You can read it for yourself.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:31 pm
Pyxxy is a question mark really. Would like to work with him but he hasnt really been around to do so. More commenting on jokes in thread or trying to solve who is behind the sock puppet instead of solving the game itself? I dunno. Just kinda odd lol
pyxxy is no longer a question mark (really). I view this as a teammate who doesn't know what to do with a colleague who left his juice at home. The commentary from Delta warrants suspicion, not a handwave and a lol.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:32 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:20 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:15 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:12 pm Coming up to final hour x_x terrifying

Comfortable with my townreads I think? Abi/Cait/Epi/LC/Porscha/Ricochet/Seanzie/Scrappy

Probably throw Sloonei on that list? Maybe a little generous in doing so but eh, feels comfortable to me so
Are you saying that you feel comfortable with me, or are you awarding me a town read because I seem comfortable?
The former, feel comfortable giving you a townread here and seeing how things play out once there's a flip on the board
Gotcha, thanks.

Removing all your town reads, we're left with these players:

Falcon45ca
leetic
pyxxy
sig
Spacedaisy
TonyStarkPrime

Would you care to share some brief thoughts on each of them?
Wow that rlly shows how many TRs Delta has ouch
Like I said, I'll work through them based on what happens.

it's also not that many, 9/6 townread/POE ratio, it's not that bad x_x
This is not directly related to pyxxy, but it looks uncomfortable.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:33 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:32 pm I'ma quickly ISO Pyxxy
it's a fun ISO at least
I read it. What was fun about it?

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:42 pm @pyxxy

work with me a second, run me through your thoughts here? \o/
This is the second time Delta summoned pyxxy, and this time it's "work with me a second."

End of Day is in 18 minutes.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:48 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:46 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:44 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:43 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:42 pm @pyxxy

work with me a second, run me through your thoughts here? \o/
When I do it its townie but when Delta does it its wolfy tbh
cannot win ;_;
Correct

Its just my paranoia of you pocketing Pyxxy

Funnily enough it didnt kick in with Leetic speaking to Pyxxy when I have you above null and dont have Leetic above null

I'm weird
am harmless

& I've wanted to work with Pyxxy in the games we've been in together and both of the past ones we've been v/w

I'd like to be able to talk at least \o/
This is in response to Caitlin, who is dead.

Delta reiterates his desire to "work with" pyxxy. The problem is they've been on opposite teams (according to Delta).

Here's why this doesn't make any damn sense. Let's go back:

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:32 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:20 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:15 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:12 pm Coming up to final hour x_x terrifying

Comfortable with my townreads I think? Abi/Cait/Epi/LC/Porscha/Ricochet/Seanzie/Scrappy

Probably throw Sloonei on that list? Maybe a little generous in doing so but eh, feels comfortable to me so
Are you saying that you feel comfortable with me, or are you awarding me a town read because I seem comfortable?
The former, feel comfortable giving you a townread here and seeing how things play out once there's a flip on the board
Gotcha, thanks.

Removing all your town reads, we're left with these players:

Falcon45ca
leetic
pyxxy
sig
Spacedaisy
TonyStarkPrime

Would you care to share some brief thoughts on each of them?
Wow that rlly shows how many TRs Delta has ouch
Like I said, I'll work through them based on what happens.

it's also not that many, 9/6 townread/POE ratio, it's not that bad x_x
Why specifically pyxxy out of these names? There are so many- SO MANY- in Delta's good pile, that Delta could be working with them. Instead, Delta wants to get pyxxy (mafia) more involved.

When Delta finally gets a response out of pyxxy:

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:52 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:51 pm having saved that VC. I can say that I doubt we should ever chop Seanzie here
can roll with that, who would you vote here?
"can roll with that"

That's working with pyxxy, Delta?

That's...a nod.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:55 pm my voters could genuinely all be town

what the fuck do I do with this

& could someone w/ prior experience with TSP run me through if their general 'idrc' vibes are AI for them in any way :,)

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:58 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:58 pm Delta - 3 - Porscha, Sean, Tony
Leetic - 4 - Delta, Rico, Pyxxy, Scrappy
Pyxxy - 5 - Leetic, Epi, Sloonei, Cait, Abbi
Sean - 2 - LC, Falcon

Delta, for someone CW-voting you're awfully quiet wrt pushing away
it's mainly like 'what do I do here I dont even think I'm being pushed by mafia'
Delta kept a vote on leetic. I think Delta is highly compatible with pyxxy given the above.

While there were attempts to drag pyxxy into the game, they look like desperate shots at getting pyxxy to speak up and not get lynched.

There were no attempts made to bring Spacedaisy into the fold, for instance.
[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

At this time, I'm going to sheep this analysis. Epi's case is good enough for me. Sorry to be doing this via a 4D Frankenstein post, but I'm so busy busy, busy like a bee. Gotta put it all together. [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:50 am
Don't really know why LC ended up voting pyxxy with three minutes to go.

I didn't really want to be on Seanzie, alongside falcon, at the end of the day. I had long intended to move my vote by the end, and my longtime expectation was to move it on to leetic. Later, I thought I might move it to falcon, which Caitlin agreed with, but Abi was insistent that falcon was town.

I wasn't reliably in-thread until closer to the deadline than I would have liked, and so I did catch-up and got a post or two in, and supported the popular pyxxy vote. Switching that late is kind of a wet fart, but it was just what I had planned to do in some form.

Anyways, sorry about the big post, just so busy that I won't be able to do all that many posts on this Day. Gotta put it all together.

leetic's case on ricochet was pretty good as well.

I'll just do a rainbow list in this post because I like colours.

Long Con
Epignosis
☆Princess Abigail☆
Scrappy Doo Epi I like as town, same with Abi, Scrappy seems fine for now
Sloonei
Porscha
sig
TonyStarkPrime Sloonei looks pretty good, Porscha too, sig I'm not counting out yet, Tony probably got lucky being in this colour
Seanzie
leetic Both Seanzie and leetic have garnered my suspicion for their own reasons, but have been more convincing in their posting. I feel like I at least trust their opinions.
Ricochet
Falcon
Delta Rico and Delta have been in the negative spotlight via leetic and Epi, falcon looked bad to me after D1.

There it is, just a quick snapshot of basically where I stand at this time.

Hey guys, not too much time right now but I'm trying to put all my thoughts into a post as I read the thread. I won't have all that much chance to post for the next 48 hours, unfortunately, but I will read everything, and try to respond and give thoughts.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:48 pm Special Socky's Announcement

The Winner of the Turnip Head Award is:
Spoiler: show

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:23 pm

Wait

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:05 pm Really annoyed Cait died though I was happy to finally be playing FM together again

Anyways on a date bbl

Damn, you got over her fast!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:08 pm i did NOT kill caitlin but I might have caause I suck at mafia

Me neither... just without the severe level of doubt that you have. What's up, Tony?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 pm blolt sbit mpo

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 pm Also immediate post flip thoughts

Leetic, Epi, and Abi look very good.

The counter wagons were delta and Sean. Delta I still don’t have enough info on, but Sean is looking better.

I’m now heavily eyeing falcon and LC.

That's fair, I wish I had gotten on the pyxxy train, but those accolades belong elsewhere. Just before the time was up, you said you liked my case on Seanzie. I feel like he's on several town lists, so your opinion is kind of an outlier. Do you still like it?

Reading on, I like the way that leetic seems to genuinely misunderstand the general consensus of what's going on re: multiball. BUT he did send a Secret Santa Gift to Lime Coke, if I'm not mistaken. Guess it wasn't a Get Out of Jail Free card.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:58 pm So in the other thread, it looks like they elimmed Lime, and he flipped wolf. Some people elsewhere think Sig is a wolf.
Yea I’m not entertaining any of this when there’s zero way to engage ppl in another thread who has said thoughts and seems like a great way to derail our momentum

I bet the other thread will merge with ours sooner than later. Maybe these elsewhere-folk can speak for themselves then.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:55 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:13 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:58 pm So in the other thread, it looks like they elimmed Lime, and he flipped wolf. Some people elsewhere think Sig is a wolf.
How do you know this?
I got messages from players in the other thread. Theoretically it could be lies (and the Sig thing is a read, not any sort of result), but I'd guess it is accurate.
If this is true (regarding Lime Coke), then there's a pathway to searching for his teammates in here (as well as pyxxy's).
Are we sure they're on separate teams?

I thought he meant the Secret Santa.

**************

So, anyway, I'll try to post again later, so busy right now. So busy.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I don't think pyxxy had to strain so hard for that win, my experience is that he was able to mostly sit back and let it happen after a great bussing vote.

well, I tried

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:18 pm search.php?author_id=813&t=2596]falcon's ISO kind of sucks, and he's just voted Seanzie and checked out, sort of.

falcon could be a wolf. Maybe he wants to ride an alternate vote all the way to EoD and be disassociated with the main yeet.

[urlhttps://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search.php?au ... 813&t=2596]falcon's ISO[/url] kind of sucks, and he's just voted Seanzie and checked out, sort of.

falcon could be a wolf. Maybe he wants to ride an alternate vote all the way to EoD and be disassociated with the main yeet.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:44 pm I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.
almost certainly can't claim puppet master bc rules

given unfamiliarity with my most recent game / didn't open or read it, yet familiarity with me

given not wanting to vote delta or whoever the other one was

given sloonei probably unlikely to stack on himself bc of self-professed "focus topic votes", which would lead to scrappy being used sooner + differently

math says caitlin

and because I'm already using this post for lots of things, scrappy = caitlin = town caitlin

that's the juice I've got

Yeah, not a bad analysis. Her 'date' could even be cover for a little Scrappy Doo time.

jk I don't really think that.

Just over an hour. I don't think a broad tie is a good way to end the day, and my vote will agree.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:46 pm Also I’m 100% ignoring scrappy they’re a sock of likely an active player, they’ve got an active vote, and there’s a high chance they’re 3P imo. Having said all that we’d gain nothing from voting there especially no info

Scrappy seems to be making some reads, so it's not crazy to glance at their posts in order to be maximally informed.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:45 pm I’m having a really hard time developing reads right now so oops.

I’m not really seeing the case on leetic, but I think epi ended up saying they were town anyway.

Abigail, Rico, LC, and Epi are all solid town reads I’d say.

Falcon is playing within his mafia meta, but I’d want more time first to decide.

I don’t even recall seeing the case on Sean?

Seanzie case is in my ISO. Just look for Seanzies in there.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:44 pm I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.
BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:41 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:40 pm [VOTE: LEETIC] aubergine

Call it OMGUS if you like, you're not townie
I'm not not not not not not townie

Careful, Scrappy, he's a master at this!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:31 pm Oh yeah!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:05 pmOkay, you can be town.

Carry on, good sir.
Unexpected response, but nice to see anyway.
You kept doubling down against me. Sometimes wolves do that when they get in over their head and don't know how to back out of suspicion, but your post had a very strong tone of indignance. Scum doesn't feel indignant like that.

Well, yeah, maybe indignant. But you can see why, right? Like, the contradiction about pushing/reluctant, and talking like I was pushing you at all when I wasn't, Seanzie, what am I to think of those things?

Oh yeah!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:05 pmOkay, you can be town.

Carry on, good sir.

Unexpected response, but nice to see anyway.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:19 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:15 pm I'd elim Rico.
Why
Because I can remember more AMA's from him than content. Something about that bothers me.

It also bothered me, like, why don't YOU bring content to US, instead of opening the door and sitting back and waiting.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:23 pm can I get in on this AMA business

It's a pyramid scheme dude

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:20 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:15 pm I'd elim Rico.
I don't want to hear random names you want to lynch, I want you to actually give us reasons here

I'm going to assume this was actually supposed to be in response to my toilet post.

It was 50/50. I actually had that post quoted, but then thought "no, let's be serious for now".

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:15 pm I'd elim Rico.
I don't want to hear random names you want to lynch, I want you to actually give us reasons here

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:08 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:06 pm Anything relevant about Scrappy as a sock player, based off the original game? Will they stick around for one phase, for the duration of our grouping or for ever?
Here to stay!!

Are you controlled by a known player?

Davos is a sockpuppet from Roxy and fingersplints' "So Ye Want To Be A Pirate?" game.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:01 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:00 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:59 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:55 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:55 pm Oh wait, you mean someone who signed up and is missing from the playerlist, and only exists as an alt?
Yea!
There are sixteen of us here including Scrappy, and apparently sixteen more in the other thread? Something isn't adding up, but no one seems to be unaccounted for
Wait

There's been sixteen here this entire time?
Counting Scrappy, yes
Although Spacedaisy seems to be slanking

Space Daisy
Scrappy Doo

Maybe her entire soul is subsumed by the new identity?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:58 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:56 pm I am here, AMA(GR).

Not one of my freer evenings and have to go to schlep soon, sorry.
Why haven't you voted yet?
I usually cast the vote around EoD or whenever I can make a final judgement.

So, soon.

Do you base a lot of Day 1 opinion on other players' cases and votes, or do you usually go rogue. What if you had to vote now?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:59 pm Ok, I legit lmao'd at this reaction pic.

Me too. There should be a Socky for that.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:58 pm Scrappy is town I will die on this hill

I was very comfortable with his readslist when I looked over it.

Conversely, leetic sees that as Scrappy pulling a list together to be a crowd pleaser.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:56 pm I am here, AMA(GR).

Not one of my freer evenings and have to go to schlep soon, sorry.

Why haven't you voted yet?

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:55 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:54 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:53 pm Can't Scrappy Doo just be an actual player that also happens to be an alt lol
That's what I said, or what I meant if I was unclear.
No I mean like

There isnt anyone playing on 2 accounts

Scrappy Doo is just their own individual

This is a rehashed role form a 2023 game, I think. Someone who played that (TSP was it?) should clarify. Or Scrappy.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:54 pm Imma go on a date and also be back around EoD byeeee

Have fun ladies

Oh wait, you mean someone who signed up and is missing from the playerlist, and only exists as an alt?

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:53 pm Can't Scrappy Doo just be an actual player that also happens to be an alt lol

That's what I said, or what I meant if I was unclear.

That's very cool of you, thank you. It was easier when I got back to my desktop, but I was pumping gas and catching up, and my eyes blurred out when trying to see. (I also need glasses shhh no one knows yet esp my wife)

Ok, so is the idea that Scrappy Doo is a player who also has access to this alt account? One player controlling two votes?

If so, I wonder if Scrappy's alt is in the other thread. Scrappy hasn't said all that much, and nothing for the first half or so, and the prevailing theory is that the other thread likely has more posts than this one. So that would line up.

@Scrappy Doo Is there any chance at all that you could drop the all caps thing? It's hard to read.

Oh! And finally... in the original Scrappy Doo game: kill Scrappy, player lives...kill player, both die? (assuming I have the concept right)

I'm heading out right now, but I'll look back into falcon later.

Four hours until EoD!

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:40 pm I don't think they're w/w, Caitlin.
Then V/W

There's still a reasonable likelihood that my vote will end up on Leetic by EoD. Seanzie just riled up my suspicions of him again though.

I don't think they're w/w, Caitlin.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:14 pmI don't expect people who actually suspect me to give neutral judgements of my arguments.

Why not? You think that the response to every defense a player gives has to be either "ok, I believe you're town" or "I don't believe you, you're a wolf"?

First, your answer set me back on my heels a little. "Am I the asshole here, he said I'm making stuff up instead of reading his words, I am guilty of not fully reading Night 0, maybe I'm being ignorant here." So I didn't feel enthusiastic about pushing harder if that was the case.

You then clarified that you're not saying the two accusations were the same, ok, fair... but you still said one corroborated the other, which implies a level of cohesion to things that I don't think is there.

So yeah, I didn't continue the conversation. There was lots of time left in the day.

Your acknowledgement ended our conversation, presumably in a way you felt satisfied with, but then you kept pushing the idea of scum!me in the thread with information that predated my explanation.

Is that what I did? I didn't keep pushing you at all, why would you say that??

Epignosis said he didn't know why I had voted you. I gave a quick synopsis of why.

You're now claiming your thoughts of me were waning (I actually upon reflection think this is quite a bad look, the "I was faltering on you, but now that you're pushing back, I'm back to it" doesn't look good IMO), but I don't see any indication of reflection from you, just a reluctance to keep actively pushing me while still talking about me to others.

"Indication of reflection"? "reluctance to keep actively pushing me"?? Dude, what are you even talking about, this is not real talk.

So, let's have a real look at this.

I vote you, and say the reasons why. You respond, and I say 'fine'. I don't keep pushing you. I talk about other things. My suspicion wanes a little - maybe I was basing my analysis of falcon off D1 and you were more N0. Maybe we don't view the word "corroborate" the same; maybe I'm being pedantic and I picked up the wrong vibe.

A day later, Epi asks why I voted you. I tell him. You interject with a disparaging metaphor about my reasons.

I take the disparagement as an indicator that you are stressed about my opinion of you, and I let you know. I also tell you my suspicion has waned.

Here's where things get weird. In the same post, you just accused me "you kept pushing the idea of scum!me in the thread" and said I have "a reluctance to keep actively pushing [you]". Neither of those things are true, and they contradict each other.

I did not keep pushing you in the thread, not because I was "reluctant", but because my suspicion was waning. Like I said. One might even say that a lack of pushing you might be an "indication of reflection" if you think about it.

The initial "I'm curious" line was to bait you into continuing to interact with me, but you didn't bite. Are you always so hands-off with people you suspect?

Ok, I thought that we were interacting at the time of that interaction. If you want to play coy word games, that's fine, but I might not always be in the mood, especially during times like these when you're somewhat frustrating me with the things that you ARE saying plainly.

Am I "hands-off"? I don't know, but I'm always open to understanding more about how I play, so you are welcome to look further into this idea.

The "I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about." was both wordplay and a point - you not following up with me after that does not put a good taste in my mouth. I would expect a townie to either tunnel in or show clear reflection and progression, not to feel like they wanted out of the conversation.

Out of the...? I wasn't aware that I gave that impression. I think you should expect Long Con to play like Long Con, and not toss out an arbitrary "No True Scotsman" about what townies do or don't do.

I feel like you wanted me to be a suspect, then when people like Sloonei and TSP weren't really biting, you perhaps "waned" in that you decided I wasn't a viable push, but then when I didn't let your push on me go, you've had to backtrack to pushing it again. Perhaps this lacks a bit of generosity towards a potential town!LC world, but I think this narrative makes sense in a wolf!LC world.

Why Sloonei and TSP? Did I try to get them to vote you?

This last paragraph is goofy. You should have quit while you were ahead, Seanzie, all these words here just made me much more suspicious of you than I was when I put the initial vote on.

WTF dude

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:55 am On the flipside, I found it quite curious how you seemed to accept my explanation without question I said "fair enough". To me, that's more of a neutral response, an acknowledgement of your response, than 'accepting without question'.

, but keep your scumread of me afterwards, I do expect most players to defend themselves in some way when they are accused. I do not automatically rescind my scumread because the accused typed some words.

citing those earlier reasons without any hint of consideration, or "waning" as you claim here, and I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about.

Now, you're, what... gettin' silly? All reasons are 'earlier reasons'. I have given your defense some consideration, but it didn't do the job of completely wiping away my suspicion of you.

Unless it was just wordplay for the sake of fun, then please fill me in on what you are curious about. I'm all ears.

Let's go through your 'earlier' defense, so that we have less misunderstanding:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:06 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:08 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Based on his suspicion of you, for saying you would have to read and try?
No. I remembered that I found him sus D0. He doesn't have any of the sharpness that town!Falcon has. Town!Falcon will make plenty of fluffy posts, but will also interject with some pointed, mildly aggressive questions and observations. Scum!Falcon doesn't do that second part, and I didn't see any of that D0. Today, him voting me without pushing or real reason just corroborates this view.
Does it corroborate the first view though? "Voting without pushing or real reason" isn't the same as "doesn't interject with pointed, mildly aggressive etc." Right? But you are saying it does, and I just detect some level of fakeness going on here, both from the fact that falcon HAD asked such a question prior to this, and for the dodgy corroboration and general vibe.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
Let me know when you want to read the words I wrote without filling in things I didn't say. I found Falcon's D0 questionable. I found Falcon's vote on my questionable. I never said that Falcon's vote was exactly the same thing as Falcon's vote on me, but that the lackluster approach to the vote corroborated my earlier view.

Looks like your main issue was that I took "corroborates" as being something that confirms or supports. I think your two accusations of Falcon are disparate, and not corroborative. One could do lots of "interjecting with pointed, mild aggression" and still "vote without pushing". One could do very little of such interjection, and vote with reasoned and well-explained logic.

If you had said "I suspect him for a lack of interjections and also voting without pushing/reasons is a suspicious thing" then it wouldn't have caught my eye. Your claim that one corroborates the other implies a more stable 'case' it forming around Falcon based on your accusation.

So, I reject the idea that I was filling in things you didn't say. You are the one who said the two reasons are corroborative, and I am rejecting that notion, and telling you that I think it's suspicious that you would try to bolster the case's strength through dubious reasoning.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:35 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:00 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:32 am I appreciate leetic's battle of wits there.

I don't mind accepting defeat.

Let's keep leetic around another go.
That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.
You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.
I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?
*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"
You worried, bro?
More curious.

I didn't detect curiosity in your 'paper' post. It reads more like it's important for you to jump in and discredit me. I don't see why that was really necessary, since I wasn't confronting you or trying to push others to vote for you. Epi asked me about it, I didn't bring it up.

My suspicion of you was kind of waning, but your reaction to that post doesn't feel towny, it feels like a worried wolf who needs to shut down suspicion.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:00 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:32 am I appreciate leetic's battle of wits there.

I don't mind accepting defeat.

Let's keep leetic around another go.
That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.
You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.
I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?
*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"

You worried, bro?

I'm visible to him, just not worth reading.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:59 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Why are you voting Delta? Did I miss you giving a reason?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:00 pm I voted for Delta because they're the player that has been least talked about in this thread. Which makes sense because they haven't arrived at our facility yet. But they posted on Day 0. I looked at those posts. They were uninspiring.

Still voting Delta, is Delta still your number one suspicion? I ask because the reasoning here is outdated now that Delta has said more, and has three votes.

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