The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:37 pm @LanMisa I just want to say you were amazing. In unspoiled chat I was calling you the towniest town there ever was lol so I was shocked when I found out you were a wolf.

But also, you were so respectful toward everyone in the game at all times, such a class act, thank you for playing and I hope you will play here again.

Yeah, LanMisa was impressive, and a pleasure to play with.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:05 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:57 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:45 pm I agree with Chelsea today
All five posts? Just general agreement across the board?
I agree with their suspicions. We can work together in the following days.

I can't stop seeing your avatar as a purple sweater first and foremost.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:45 pm I agree with Chelsea today

All five posts? Just general agreement across the board?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:52 pm Not seeing Town Creature in my experience tends to mean the non-existence of Town Creature. Some people are worse than others at seeing Town Creature, and as mentioned I haven't been looking too hard.

Day 1 of their ISO seemed pretty good. Starts with some townreads, by the end of the day a couple of least-trusted players, consistency which is nice.

Even the fluff stuff about getting misyeeted here i the past, felt towny to me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:06 pm mmm, not sure. Yeah, I'd guess that brad is reasonably likely town in this game state. I'm softening kinda weirdly on Chelsea but they're putting me in a weird spot so I'm not sure how much that will be able to hold. But they speak with some authority about their town status and idk, not knowing them granted, it's always hard to see that arrogance as wolfy (even though of course psych study after psych study has shown that this is a poor estimation which humans consistently make)

I haven't decided how to read that relationship yet either.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:47 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:00 pm What'd you do last night?
Falcon visited you which is why i've been townreading him lol, dont see any point for wolves to act on u.
Oh okay gotta remember this

Just reminding you to remember this.

What do you think of it now?

And you think Lime Coke has a better chance of coming up Town?

Tony, I was looking through the player list, and I felt like the player that I have some of the most difficulty placing is Creature. You're voting for Creature, can you tell me anything before I go looking at their stuff?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:42 pm don't ask me questions, I'm just a bystander in the affairs of the thread.

3P claim?

You could read a book.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:35 pm uh the day's gonna go to waste here which is kinda bad

Who should we focus on for the rest of the day, setting falcon aside?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am
Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:31 am

check who visits falcon, got no result so i assume i was rb'd.
.... why Falcon?
That…makes perfect sense to me.

Everything manny is doing makes perfect sense from a logical perspective.

Here’s my thinking-

The anti manny brigade is bringing the heat today to discredit manny. Lime/mac/dunn are full on my wolf team atm

Dunn is such a strong logistician- odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs, as we would have 7 of the remaining town PRs including them. Improbable, but not conclusive. So going after falcon here is a play that makes sense. Could be right.
If we yeet falcon, and he's bad, then it looks good for Manny being Town. The possibility still exists that Manny is Caesar's Legion, and is throwing falcon under the bus for very good cred. Falcon's current absence would support the hypothesis that he said something like "bus me guys, I don't have time for this game" or something. Then, Manny would seem to be on a clock, as a 'Confirmed Town', and we'd get more suspicious as the game went on. That plan can work, and might have looked like the better option to Manny, who was concerned for his life on that Day. "Wolves aren't killing me because I'm vanilla now and they want you to yeet me."

If we yeet falcon, and he's good, then I guess he should have shown up, but it doesn't specifically make Manny look worse or better. Then questions about him would still linger.

If we yeet Manny, and he's bad, then it could be the bussing plan in action, or could be just a Wolf trying to get Town falcon yeeted.

If we yeet Manny, and he's good, then we lose him and still wonder about falcon.

Just wanted to work out some stuff, I was hoping to come to the best option. Neither yeet truly dictates how we would deal with the other one.

Scotty, "odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs", what do you mean? I would assume they are both definitely PRs.
Sorry, I didn’t specify. I meant Town PRs. You and Dunn have worked that out, and I’m coming around on it.

Making 180’s after some thinking and feel like you and Dunn are aok in my book.
I was just looking back at my coloured "falcon PR Possibilities" post. He could be one of four Town PRs, or one of four (or five) Wolf PRs, or one of the Indys.

Manny had it at 75% chance of being bad, but it's not THAT high at first glance.

However, if you factor in some Town PR roles as fakeclaims with some teeth... that chance goes up quite a bit.
Atp, the biggest damnation for Falcon is just like "He's not likely wolves with Manny and if Manny is town, how many more town PRs can actually be in this game."

Much as (given my shit track record of reading Falcon) I like the idea of just yeeting him and getting a wolf there or in Manny, I'm kinda hoping he comes back claiming protag since that'll give us that full "evaluate a wacky hidden 3P roleclaim" experience.

Wouldn't we just yeet him anyway in that case?

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:11 pm Manny had it at 75% chance of being bad, but it's not THAT high at first glance.
gun runners / new cali republic civilian / enclave remnants

could be chairmen/novac/sorrows/thorn
could be caesar's legion/jackals/think tank/white legs

this was my notes from when i was checking, granted i just realized i didnt account for 3p worlds cuz i was thinking Epi was 3p but how come it is 75% wolf?

I thought that's what YOU said earlier. As a generalization.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am
Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:31 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:30 am Manny what'd you do for Night 2?
check who visits falcon, got no result so i assume i was rb'd.
.... why Falcon?
That…makes perfect sense to me.

Everything manny is doing makes perfect sense from a logical perspective.

Here’s my thinking-

The anti manny brigade is bringing the heat today to discredit manny. Lime/mac/dunn are full on my wolf team atm

Dunn is such a strong logistician- odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs, as we would have 7 of the remaining town PRs including them. Improbable, but not conclusive. So going after falcon here is a play that makes sense. Could be right.
If we yeet falcon, and he's bad, then it looks good for Manny being Town. The possibility still exists that Manny is Caesar's Legion, and is throwing falcon under the bus for very good cred. Falcon's current absence would support the hypothesis that he said something like "bus me guys, I don't have time for this game" or something. Then, Manny would seem to be on a clock, as a 'Confirmed Town', and we'd get more suspicious as the game went on. That plan can work, and might have looked like the better option to Manny, who was concerned for his life on that Day. "Wolves aren't killing me because I'm vanilla now and they want you to yeet me."

If we yeet falcon, and he's good, then I guess he should have shown up, but it doesn't specifically make Manny look worse or better. Then questions about him would still linger.

If we yeet Manny, and he's bad, then it could be the bussing plan in action, or could be just a Wolf trying to get Town falcon yeeted.

If we yeet Manny, and he's good, then we lose him and still wonder about falcon.

Just wanted to work out some stuff, I was hoping to come to the best option. Neither yeet truly dictates how we would deal with the other one.

Scotty, "odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs", what do you mean? I would assume they are both definitely PRs.
Sorry, I didn’t specify. I meant Town PRs. You and Dunn have worked that out, and I’m coming around on it.

Making 180’s after some thinking and feel like you and Dunn are aok in my book.

I was just looking back at my coloured "falcon PR Possibilities" post. He could be one of four Town PRs, or one of four (or five) Wolf PRs, or one of the Indys.

Manny had it at 75% chance of being bad, but it's not THAT high at first glance.

However, if you factor in some Town PR roles as fakeclaims with some teeth... that chance goes up quite a bit.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am
Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:31 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:30 am Manny what'd you do for Night 2?
check who visits falcon, got no result so i assume i was rb'd.
.... why Falcon?
That…makes perfect sense to me.

Everything manny is doing makes perfect sense from a logical perspective.

Here’s my thinking-

The anti manny brigade is bringing the heat today to discredit manny. Lime/mac/dunn are full on my wolf team atm

Dunn is such a strong logistician- odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs, as we would have 7 of the remaining town PRs including them. Improbable, but not conclusive. So going after falcon here is a play that makes sense. Could be right.
Yeah, it made sense. Idk if I bought it but it made sense....until Manny came out with a scumread on Falcon with zero posts from Falcon between "I'm tracking this player because I think they're an outted town PR" to "75% chance Falcon is a wolf in any possible world."

Maybe there's just like a missing progression?
How much pressure was on manny when he made this claim? I can’t get a sense for it in the moment in my reread.

Because if he doesn’t have a lot of heat of going over, this is pretty unlikely as wolf behavior imo. If he had heat, I can see this as a play to buy time.

And his role does seem exactly as functional as the legions of Caesar’s pizza

Can't get a sense?

The post before he claimed was about how he had the percentage chance of him getting wagoned that Day at unsettlingly high.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:01 pm At least we know Manny isn't 3P because wtf would the serial killer claim made up targets for Falcon and why would the protag claim town watcher and increase the chance of being blocked or nightkilled?

Serial Killer could claim just fine, with their fakeclaim.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:01 pm If you dont have a townread on LanMisa at this stage of this game there's no helping u.
He's the towniest mf in the thread.

Yeah, when I read Jack's post, I went right to the post count list to see is my memory was bad. Lan has been active, and widely townread.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:57 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:17 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:09 pm Also town has 4 flipped dead power roles so far. And Manny is claiming to be a 5th. Is becomes increasingly more likely that any additional power we spot acting is not town but instead anti-town.
That's a good point.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:07 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:05 pm Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie. At this point there are mafia roles and third party roles that I believe should target like that. I think we shoul eliminate falcon and that they should be claiming today.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
I'm not in the mental zone to immediately understand "Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie", can you calrify that please?
Sure. Town's power roles are listed and there are only a few that target that falcon could be. I find stuff like the bodyguard would be questionable to use on Seanzie night 1 when they were the counter to the wagon.
But it was Manny that called out falcon, right? Are they both bad, and it was a bussing kind of ploy?
If both were wolves, even if Manny ends up "bussing" a partner like that, Manny's survival would out him sooner rather than later. I also don't think that Manny would go for such a strategy when already under scrutiny/in the upper part of the POE for many players unless the wolf team was in an awfully losing spot - which it doesn't look like at all.

I could theoretically see a 3P Manny making such a move, but that requires a poisoner world (with no poisons out so far) - but I think you see the issues that crop up immediately in such a scenario.

I'm pretty sure Manny's just town here and Falcon... needs to claim, fast. And then we decide from there whether we believe that claim or not.
This is presuming we would know if someone dies of poisoning.

The insidiousness of poison in this game makes the presence of poison-cure abilities laughable.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:57 pm Ugh I didn't even really consider 3P Falcon worlds.

I'm feeling like finding out. [VOTE: falcon] aubergine but let's have a more civilized and ideal day where he comes back and talks about it a bit.

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:47 pm If we yeet falcon, and he's bad, then it looks good for Manny being Town. The possibility still exists that Manny is Caesar's Legion, and is throwing falcon under the bus for very good cred. Falcon's current absence would support the hypothesis that he said something like "bus me guys, I don't have time for this game" or something. Then, Manny would seem to be on a clock, as a 'Confirmed Town', and we'd get more suspicious as the game went on. That plan can work, and might have looked like the better option to Manny, who was concerned for his life on that Day. "Wolves aren't killing me because I'm vanilla now and they want you to yeet me."
Bussing by claiming PR makes no sense to endgame because i'd be heavily scumread for not dying when and if Falcon flips wolf, and bussing like that even makes more sense when u take into account i... wasnt trying to buss him i thougth him being PR made him town yday due to targetting seanzie lol.

Yeah, I'm not believing that's the case. Your latest posts about your logic make fine sense as a Town perspective, I feel better about you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:12 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:29 am There's gotta be at least like 2 in the section above Nook and I.

Do we have enough resources?

And why doesn't this site use vigs when we need them?
1. The Syndicate has many games with vigilantes, and no two games are the same. This question would make more sense in regards to a specific game, as opposed to the whole site.

2. We do have a (potential) vig. Great Khans.
I refuse to believe the vig hasn’t acted yet. I refuse

Yeah, Great Khans is probably not in the game, or is a fakeclaim.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:32 am
Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:31 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:30 am Manny what'd you do for Night 2?
check who visits falcon, got no result so i assume i was rb'd.
.... why Falcon?
That…makes perfect sense to me.

Everything manny is doing makes perfect sense from a logical perspective.

Here’s my thinking-

The anti manny brigade is bringing the heat today to discredit manny. Lime/mac/dunn are full on my wolf team atm

Dunn is such a strong logistician- odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs, as we would have 7 of the remaining town PRs including them. Improbable, but not conclusive. So going after falcon here is a play that makes sense. Could be right.

If we yeet falcon, and he's bad, then it looks good for Manny being Town. The possibility still exists that Manny is Caesar's Legion, and is throwing falcon under the bus for very good cred. Falcon's current absence would support the hypothesis that he said something like "bus me guys, I don't have time for this game" or something. Then, Manny would seem to be on a clock, as a 'Confirmed Town', and we'd get more suspicious as the game went on. That plan can work, and might have looked like the better option to Manny, who was concerned for his life on that Day. "Wolves aren't killing me because I'm vanilla now and they want you to yeet me."

If we yeet falcon, and he's good, then I guess he should have shown up, but it doesn't specifically make Manny look worse or better. Then questions about him would still linger.

If we yeet Manny, and he's bad, then it could be the bussing plan in action, or could be just a Wolf trying to get Town falcon yeeted.

If we yeet Manny, and he's good, then we lose him and still wonder about falcon.

Just wanted to work out some stuff, I was hoping to come to the best option. Neither yeet truly dictates how we would deal with the other one.

Scotty, "odds are that both falcon and manny are not both PRs", what do you mean? I would assume they are both definitely PRs.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:17 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:09 pm Also town has 4 flipped dead power roles so far. And Manny is claiming to be a 5th. Is becomes increasingly more likely that any additional power we spot acting is not town but instead anti-town.
That's a good point.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:07 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:05 pm Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie. At this point there are mafia roles and third party roles that I believe should target like that. I think we shoul eliminate falcon and that they should be claiming today.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
I'm not in the mental zone to immediately understand "Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie", can you calrify that please?
Sure. Town's power roles are listed and there are only a few that target that falcon could be. I find stuff like the bodyguard would be questionable to use on Seanzie night 1 when they were the counter to the wagon.
But it was Manny that called out falcon, right? Are they both bad, and it was a bussing kind of ploy?
If both were wolves, even if Manny ends up "bussing" a partner like that, Manny's survival would out him sooner rather than later. I also don't think that Manny would go for such a strategy when already under scrutiny/in the upper part of the POE for many players unless the wolf team was in an awfully losing spot - which it doesn't look like at all.

I could theoretically see a 3P Manny making such a move, but that requires a poisoner world (with no poisons out so far) - but I think you see the issues that crop up immediately in such a scenario.

I'm pretty sure Manny's just town here and Falcon... needs to claim, fast. And then we decide from there whether we believe that claim or not.

Jack had a good point. Falcon, IF he comes back, will certainly claim one of the four Town roles available, and it will either be true, or it will be a fakeclaim.

What do we really need to hear from him?

I mean, it's ideal if he just comes back sooner than later, but what do we need to know?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:31 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:25 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:16 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:39 pm One kill. Hmm. That points to a not SK or poisoner, as there aren’t a lot of protects in this game. Mr house is probably an arsonist. That’s an annoying role who can hide anywhere so I guess it’s gonna be hard pressed to 3p hunt this game.

Ok, I see manny claims to have watched falcon visit Seanzie. The weirdest part to me is how only falcon seemed to have visited Seanzie, the counter wagon. Literally blows my mind. But I believe Manny’s claim, and falcon could literally be any of the roles. He could be the mafia poisoner, which would explain Seanzie’s death. Except mafia also get a factional kill so that doesn’t seem likely.

I feel like this is a set up to get Lime Coke yeeted. I don’t feel like falling on those obvious spikes

[VOTE: dunnstral] aubergine let’s start here again.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:05 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:39 pm One kill. Hmm. That points to a not SK or poisoner, as there aren’t a lot of protects in this game. Mr house is probably an arsonist. That’s an annoying role who can hide anywhere so I guess it’s gonna be hard pressed to 3p hunt this game.

Ok, I see manny claims to have watched falcon visit Seanzie. The weirdest part to me is how only falcon seemed to have visited Seanzie, the counter wagon. Literally blows my mind. But I believe Manny’s claim, and falcon could literally be any of the roles. He could be the mafia poisoner, which would explain Seanzie’s death. Except mafia also get a factional kill so that doesn’t seem likely.

I feel like this is a set up to get Lime Coke yeeted. I don’t feel like falling on those obvious spikes

[VOTE: dunnstral] aubergine let’s start here again.
Third sentence about Lime Coke makes no sense. And voting me after makes no sense either.
Lime and Seanzie had a spat, Lime Coke still had him as a suspect, and Seanzie had Lime as a top suspect for almost the whole game. How does that not make sense?

Voting you is exclusive of the rest of my post, I’ll give you that

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:17 am Mac with a lot of good points. I just want to townread that.

Also enlightening that at this point, we *should* be looking at the top posters and besides my spam ass, I’m surprised to see Lime Coke there.

I mean, pull my leg [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Eyebrow raising progression
Don’t raise em too long, they’ll get stuck.

I’m chaotic good. Help me get to at least neutral good
I'm taking this as a claim.

What, that he's a D&D nerd?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:31 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:23 am Why am I an outed wolf? Use actual arguments please not omgus and halfway rule.
Your reasoning for me being a wolf made 0 sense before i claimed and makes -1 sense after i claimed.
I have no reason whatsoever to claim as wolf when i did because it only got me more scumread than i was before lol
Wolfteam was Mac/Jack/Seanzie/LC gg guys

Slips don't exist? I beg to differ

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:25 pm Not to say too much about the specifics of the Chelsea/Brad dynamic but I have seen Brad hard shield a shockingly high number of people, town and otherwise, and I’ve developed what I think is a decent sense of how those tend to go

How do those tend to go?

LOL.... @MacDougall anticlaim?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:28 am The Think Tank

Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. If that player has any special role abilities, they will be neutralized and no longer usable for the remainder of the game. This shot is not returned if the selected player has no special abilities.

And falcon disappeared like 48 hours ago. before Manny called him out.

Ok, let's narrow it down.

TOWN POWER ROLES

New California Republic - sig, dead

Chairmen - could be falcon

Dead Horses - could be falcon

Enclave Remnants - Manny's claim

Goodsprings - Nanook, dead

Great Khans - probably not falcon because Seanzie didn't die. If someone protected Seanzie that night then this should be considered, but probably nah.

Gun Runners - Abby, dead

Novac - could be falcon

Sorrows - Seanzie, dead

State of Utobitha - not falcon; doesn't target

The Thorn - could be falcon

MAFIA POWER ROLES

Caesar's Legion - could be falcon

Fiends - could be falcon

Jackals - could be falcon

The Think Tank - could be falcon

Van Graffs - probably not because that would mean that w!falcon gave t!Seanzie an extra vote, and I don't see that happening

White Legs - could be falcon, but that would mean that he blocked Seanzie on the night he targeted him, and I don't recall Seanzie saying he was blocked. But maybe I guess.

Falcon could also be Mr House or Courier #6.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:29 am There's gotta be at least like 2 in the section above Nook and I.

Do we have enough resources?

And why doesn't this site use vigs when we need them?

1. The Syndicate has many games with vigilantes, and no two games are the same. This question would make more sense in regards to a specific game, as opposed to the whole site.

2. We do have a (potential) vig. Great Khans.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:20 am But the Mafia doesn't have any secret parts, do they?
There is nowhere it speaks to factional kills either so going by your logic they don't have factionals.

Let's go more with "by my logic, town!Manny would not have made decisions based on fear of anticlaim", and not get too into the weeds about important game factors the host might have made black box secret.

But the Mafia doesn't have any secret parts, do they?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:11 amManny would not have claimed as town under no pressure for fear of anticlaim. No fear of anticlaim equals mafia.

What do you mean by 'anticlaim'?

Epi, If we are Wolf together, then my case against Scotty was fake. Maybe have another look, because I don't feel like it looks fake at all.

Wait it is a middle finger

Looks kind of like a middle finger on my phone screen.

Vanilla

He needs to be putting more concise and specific information on his signs. His language skills are strong and he can figure out efficient ways to convey more complex thoughts about the game. Also, let's see more signs, more interactively

We really need to just hear from falcon

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:44 pm (Coming from the guy that comes out today making accusations and leading the thread)
Oh, are you leading the thread?
I’m sure throwing a lot of shit at the wall in a short period of time, aren’t I?

I know, I know, leadings a tough job, but someone has to do it

If you think I’m teammates with Long Con, you haven’t been paying attention.

Really? This is the direction you’re going today?

Is that what that meant? Hard bussing from the get-go for us this time, I guess.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:39 pm One kill. Hmm. That points to a not SK or poisoner, as there aren’t a lot of protects in this game. Mr house is probably an arsonist. That’s an annoying role who can hide anywhere so I guess it’s gonna be hard pressed to 3p hunt this game.
Ok I realize the SK ‘MAY’ shoot, so that actually complicates things. I can see a world where they want to holster early. Which is also annoying. So meh

I don't think that's very likely, I think your initial analysis is more probable.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:44 pm (Coming from the guy that comes out today making accusations and leading the thread)
Oh, are you leading the thread?
I’m sure throwing a lot of shit at the wall in a short period of time, aren’t I?

I know, I know, leadings a tough job, but someone has to do it

I think you need to have followers before you can declare yourself the leader. Let's give it some time and see.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:44 pm (Coming from the guy that comes out today making accusations and leading the thread)

Oh, are you leading the thread?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:42 pm Nah, I think Long Con’s a wolf.
His iso since his tunnel on me is filled with a bunch of nodding and ‘oh yeah’s’ that amount to nothing.

Like, he’s here, and cordial, and isn’t rocking the boat. Beyond that, he seems reticent to make any strong pushes on anyone.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Ok, I literally just accused Manny of being Caesar's Legion, but ok.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:37 pm Assuming worst case then we are potentially heavily reliant on a mafia kill here

You mean numbers-wise?

Manny's townclaim gives him two Watches. If the falcon one was the first, then there should be one from last night. @Manny

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:09 pm Also town has 4 flipped dead power roles so far. And Manny is claiming to be a 5th. Is becomes increasingly more likely that any additional power we spot acting is not town but instead anti-town.

That's a good point.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:07 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:05 pm Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie. At this point there are mafia roles and third party roles that I believe should target like that. I think we shoul eliminate falcon and that they should be claiming today.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
I'm not in the mental zone to immediately understand "Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie", can you calrify that please?
Sure. Town's power roles are listed and there are only a few that target that falcon could be. I find stuff like the bodyguard would be questionable to use on Seanzie night 1 when they were the counter to the wagon.

But it was Manny that called out falcon, right? Are they both bad, and it was a bussing kind of ploy?

*clarify

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:05 pm Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie. At this point there are mafia roles and third party roles that I believe should target like that. I think we shoul eliminate falcon and that they should be claiming today.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

I'm not in the mental zone to immediately understand "Seanzie just flipped one of the few believable town roles for falcon targeting Seanzie", can you calrify that please?

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