The Syndicate

Roxy wrote:I am going to invent a broken cock repair kit.


Epi - you are wrong. I am good. I have been open and honest with my suspicions. Idc if you do not like my Day 1 voting rules.

Also, I forgot to say: the googly eyes were a solid addition, worked great for me!

Shut up and take my money!

So, G-Man thinks the Xtacles should kill Made. It's pretty unlikely that all four will be that focused, and who knows what instructions Xander Crews might have given them last night. Probably best if they prioritize what Xander says over the Magic 8-Ball.. but hey, maybe it's the same person!

G-Man wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hey, big storm here last night knocked out the power, and I missed the vote.I probably would have voted Saberfish or G-Man like I said. The Cookie bandwagon looked bad, but ended up being good!

Now, a certain Lost fan needs to do some catching up. Let's hope we can keep this going as some baddie-killing momentum, and that we don't end up shooting ourselves in the foot and fizzling out. Maybe the Xtacles will even kill tonight? Any suggestions for a mutual target for them?

Yes

In the top half of the player list?

Hey, big storm here last night knocked out the power, and I missed the vote.I probably would have voted Saberfish or G-Man like I said. The Cookie bandwagon looked bad, but ended up being good!

Now, a certain Lost fan needs to do some catching up. Let's hope we can keep this going as some baddie-killing momentum, and that we don't end up shooting ourselves in the foot and fizzling out. Maybe the Xtacles will even kill tonight? Any suggestions for a mutual target for them?

timmer wrote:I voted for Saber.

That's an okay vote too, actually. I might go there.

I know it's totally weak, but I might just have to vote gman today. I'm just not really feeling any of the other suspicions I'm seeing out there and I don't know if it's because I need to get my head more in the game or what but I'm I'm going to wait until lynch deadline.

G-Man wrote:So what saltpeter guys chorea saying is I need to pick a theme and Yin with it to stop getting dumped on?

Nope.

Roxy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Roxy wrote:also forgot - If it was not a tie then it would have to be Me, SVS or Burger Boy. Is that what you think?

Yes, that is what I think. I think that if it was not a tie, then one of you three is probably Killface. I also think that if it was a tie, then everyone involved is definitely not Killface. I also think that it's not up to the host to narrow it down for us like that... he could, I suppose, but I just doubt he will.

I respectfully disagree. Maybe I am thinking wrong and my logic flawed (would not be the first time nor the last) but it is my logic so I will follow it.

What do you think of Me, SVS and Burger Boy?

I don't really have any suspicion of any of you. If I had to vote for one of you, it would be S~V~S, but only because I feel a tiny bit Civ about you and Burger.

Roxy wrote:also forgot - If it was not a tie then it would have to be Me, SVS or Burger Boy. Is that what you think?

Yes, that is what I think. I think that if it was not a tie, then one of you three is probably Killface. I also think that if it was a tie, then everyone involved is definitely not Killface. I also think that it's not up to the host to narrow it down for us like that... he could, I suppose, but I just doubt he will.

Roxy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:dammit! ebwop-

Roxy wrote:Ans since no one else asked but instead ass-u-me -'d---

llama man - Was the last lynch a tie?

Did it look like a tie? You just have to go by the votes you can see.

You suck tbqh

How about a straight answer? - Yes or No?

You want Llama to reveal Killface to us, basically?

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:Epi - Your entire list is of new players - except Timmer. Why? And why Timmer? Also I doubt very srsly that llama did not rand roles and put all newbs in a baddie group together. Unless you know something I don't - are we not supposed to random roles in every game we host? (maybe one or two tweaks tops?)

I explained why.

As for timmer, he has said some slippery things, and in one case, claimed something that wasn't even true. He backed off this advance. That was still enough to give him a seat in my front row.

All new people could be bad after a randomization.

What is your opinion of Saberface? I think he's either Killfish or on that team.

I don't think there are any hard rules on how roles get dispersed in a game. Some hosts might hand-pick all the players for their roles for all I know. I always randomize, and make tweaks if necessary. Players who have a history of low participation or disappearing are less likely to get roles that I consider important, cool, or high-maintenance.

Epig, your Saberfish idea makes sense to me.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I also dig the idea of a newbie/fairly newbie being on Team Killface due to the NK - not that I don't think Eloh is an awesome player but she really isn't ever killed Night 1. It's an unusual choice. But then again, that could make a helluva WIFOM. Just thought of that. I'll keep it all in mind.

So you would concur that scum doesn't really use their BTSC much here?

I disagree with that notion. Although I have had some teammates as a baddie that were pretty MIA from BTSC, I am always fully engaged.

I've been thinking about G-Man. While I defend to the death his right to try interesting new ways to play, I am finding his self-imposed posting restriction to be distracting and detrimental to the game. Sorry, G. What if he's a baddie? How are we supposed figure it out when he's not engaging in real dialogue?

G-Man is right, I'm the only one who has tried at all to reach out to him and help him communicate via the Magic 8-Ball he's unfortunately trapped in.

DharmaHelper wrote:Rest assures that even though I've already cast my vote I am more than willing to engage in spirited debate and baddie hunting.

Indeed it does. Get some rest then!

Sorry to hear about your health, MP.

RIP Eloh and LOLRIP Scotty. I wouldn't kill Eloh night 1, and I don't think Epi would either.

Cookie wrote:Can anybody explain to me what the deal is with people using adverbs? I don't understand why it makes someone appear bad.

I don't suspect all adverbs, but I recognize that they can be red flags.

You can "just say something" or you can "craft a sentence". Civvies aren't trying to deceive everyone, so they are free to just say things. Baddies are trying to deceive everyone, so they may tend more toward crafting sentences. "Trying to sound Civvie", is one way of putting it.

Here's how I see the Scotty adverb thing - when he says "I honestly don't think you're on Crews' team", it feels like he's crafting it. An honest man doesn't need to tell everyone how honest he is.

G-Man, how about some opinions? Do you want me to try to set you up for answers?

Do you think any of these players are baddies:

Epignosis?

Scotty?

DharmaHelper?

Long Con?

Tiny Bubbles?

Sig?

Nijuu?

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.

Which actual suspects are Epignoring?

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:Show me someone else on Day 1 that had more reason to feel suspicious of someone.

OK, the fact that you're explaining yourself now helps, even though you don't like my use of adverbs. I'm not giving you other people to feel suspicious about. That's your prerogative. My NOU vote was centered around the fact that you didn't lead up to it, and it seemed to come out of nowhere.
You could have voted sig or Porcupine, if you want suggestions. If you want, I could suggest some other names if you want me to vote for you.

I think you misunderstood the part of my post that I isolated. I wasn't asking you to give me other suspicions, I was asking you to find a player on Day One that voted with more justification of actual suspicion than I had for you. I voted for you because of several little pings along the way, which I spoke about when they happened.

I can't help that the vote "seemed to come out of nowhere" to you, because I did speak of each suspicion along the way (all quoted in my previous post)... that's what I used as a lead-up... things I had already said. Perhaps if I had summarized those things in my vote post you would have felt more square about it, but I was a little rushy at the time, so I just went ahead with short and sweet.

I say all of this because I don't like my suspicions being called weak, and consequently having you accuse me of being Killface for it.

Plus, I think I voted kind of earlier. If you want Killface in an outlier vote, I'd imagine he was a later voter.

Scotty wrote:I would also add that in my opinion, KF didn't vote for MM, and if he did, it's SVS.
No, KF probably did vote early, on someone who probably wasn't going to gain any traction, based on weak reasoning.

People that fit this bill to me:
-LongCon

First of all, which votes, in your opinion, were based on strong reasoning?

Scotty wrote:I don't know, I would feel jipped if I were on Crews' team.

That's a sketchy thing to say.

Scotty wrote:Yea, LC. Brilliant idea! Who needs BTSC when we can communicate right out in the open!

Btw, Xander, if you're listening: don't do that.

Trying to keep Xander from utilizing his role to any potential?

How do you suppose the xtacles will get coordinated? They don't know the identity of each other, so that's actually WORSE. Protecting takes 2 people, but how do the xtentacles know which 2 should do it? They could end up putting 4 on him and killing him instead.

It's like asking 6 horses to decide as a group where the nearest bathroom is. They would tell you, except they're bloody horses, mate.

The whole mechanic is hogwash and disproportionately random.

LC, I don't think you're thinking through these strategies, and honestly I don't think you are on Xander's team.

There as well.

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:LC, I don't think you're thinking through these strategies, and honestly I don't think you are on Xander's team.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to let us all know how honest you are being when you said that. Maybe you thought that if you had said "I don't think you're on Xander's team", we might not think you were being honest about it. So, good thing you clarified that with a totally necessary adverb.

Another thing that made me feel suspicious of you.

Show me someone else on Day 1 that had more reason to feel suspicious of someone.

Second of all, you could have easily gained traction. Roxy and Timmer both expressed some concerns about you. Hindsight is 20/20, you didn't get any other votes this time, but at the time I voted, there was plenty of possibility.

We should lynch Espitnosis? Interestingly interesting.

MP is lucky I don't have to swear random vengeance on him for that vote. RIP MM, sucks to lose an Xtacle.

Geez, Scotty. You seem worried.

I cast a vote Scotty's way, he's my most serious suspicion at this time. Going to work soon, maybe not home until after the lynch is up. I just sat down to vote, and realized as I was typing this that I could have also voted DisgruntledPorcupine for the Low-Posting angle, but I didn't. Oh well, he's got more of a chance to prove me right for next time. ;o

Metalmarsh, you are scum for voting me. Maybe not in this game, but in REAL LIFE!

HamburgerBoy wrote:I saw mention of the 8-ball earlier. What is the opinion on dice-rolling for day 1 here? Specifically, a rainbow dice where every side has its own special color tags, which would be entirely different from a normal dice.

This colour-tag die intrigues me.

Epig, Cookie would be a fine choice as well. But what if Cookie does not remain a non-participator?

Perhaps a 24/24 schedule should have a different set of standards regarding Participation Score?

I'm interested in trying to catch baddies, Epig. I think it would be very cool. I will also support lynching an inactive today. DisgruntledPorcupine would be my choice.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:;o

Th-th-th-that's all, folks!

thellama73 wrote:Now that Long Con has gone to all that trouble, I should probably specify that there are some limits on what Xander is able to say in his messages.

Cool plan anyway. I hope that I at least gave Xander the inspiration to test the boundaries. I mean, he MUST be able to attempt to organize the Xtacles somehow.

Roxy wrote:

Long Con wrote:DharmaHelper: Do you consider Nightwing to be a first-rate superhero?

Roxy: Would you like to see an extensive example of how Xander and the Xtacles might secure the game a lot more tightly for the Civs, provided it gets the host's blessing?

I actually would like to see it. But also explained simply like you are talking to a child or as in my case an old lady.

Ok, here goes.

If I were Xander Crews, this would be my first message, sent tonight:

"Hello Xtacles. First thing's first, we have to identify ourselves to each other. After the Night is done and you get this message, you will hide a code in your second post of Day 2. Your 6th word of that post will begin with an 'f', your fourteenth word will begin with a 'g', and your sixteenth word will begin with an 'h'. Look for each others' posts, identify each other as I identify you.

From that point on, we must coordinate your nightly PMs. You must pay attention to each others' signals, or this cannot work. You will signal your target using a code. The last word of your post will be a number, which will indicate which vote you are in the order. Obviously, this word will be "one", "two", "three", "four", "five", or "six". It will be followed by a Smiley to indicate which player you will be targeting.

1. Ika -
2. S~V~S -
3. Epignosis -
4. Timmer -
5. Nijuukyugou -
6. Metalmarsh89 -
7. TinyBubbles -
8. Sig -
9. Long Con - :nod:
10. G-Man -
11. Spacedaisy -
12. HamburgerBoy -
13. Roxy -
14. Scotty -
15. Mac's Mom -
16. Dharmahelper -
17. Elohcin -
18. DisgruntledPorcupine -
19. Cookie -
20. Made -
21. Movingpictures07 -
22. Saberfish -

If you posted twice before reading this PM, then you can still pull the escape chute to identify yourself with the phrase, "I think I need to light a candle" at some point during the phase. You will know who I am when I say "One more time around the mulberry bush, eh boys?"

Let's stay focused and do this by the numbers. I would like to suggest the first three targets to protect me every night - that, combined with helping me not get lynched by day, makes me very hard to kill.

The next three targets could protect one of you, or just use two to roleblock someone.

If the first targeter targets someone who is not me or you, then it is a signal that they wish to kill that person. Then we can kill and then roleblock. That's cool too.

I'll check in every night and talk about how things are going. Good luck out there!"

Something like that. Maybe I'd go over it a few more times with a fine-toothed comb in order to be prepared for whatever eventuality.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I GUESS I can wait to cast my vote. You all are boring. Not frisky enough.

It's Frisky Fucking Dingo, where's the frisky?

Am I not at all Frisky with my fun colours and my cool plan?

Seriously. Fight Club Mafia's survivors are still meeting with counsellors weekly.

DharmaHelper: Do you consider Nightwing to be a first-rate superhero?

Roxy: Would you like to see an extensive example of how Xander and the Xtacles might secure the game a lot more tightly for the Civs, provided it gets the host's blessing?

No, I wasn't claiming Xtacle with that "we". That "we" was in reference to "we as a group of players".

If my plan goes through, then each Xtacle and Xander will know the identity of each other one, and will know if an Xtacle dies. The Xtacle strategy would then be adjusted for that new circumstance.

Scotty wrote:LC, I don't think you're thinking through these strategies, and honestly I don't think you are on Xander's team.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to let us all know how honest you are being when you said that. Maybe you thought that if you had said "I don't think you're on Xander's team", we might not think you were being honest about it. So, good thing you clarified that with a totally necessary adverb.

As for thinking through these strategies, the problem you are having is a lack of vision. This can be done, and it can be well-coordinated and executed by Xander. We can make him invincible. Unlynchable, unkillable.

I took Llama's rule to mean in-thread stuff. If he wants to limit what Xander can say in the secret message, so be it. The Xtacles will know soon enough.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who should I vote for today?

You should vote for Stan.

I'm sorry, but who's Stan?

Stan is a guy who's going to automatically start killing some relatively important Civs every day on Day 2.

thellama73 wrote:
Stan - Runs the Crews company when Xander is too lazy to do it, but has no real allegiance except to himself. Briefly masqueraded as Awesome-X. While he is alive, one of the Xtacles’ heads will explode every day.

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I didn't realize that we had started!

I'm a little pinged by the fact that SVS apparently misread the roles, since her reply to Long Con about the Xtacles isn't accurate. But I suppose that's a ping that doesn't really indicate an alignment so I'm not sure where to go with it. I'll tune in more tomorrow night. Game on!

I dont really see how misunderstanding the roles could be indicative of her alignment. Are you thinking from an angle like baddies don't have to care as much as Civvies about understanding all the roles maybe?

I misunderstood Xanders messages, I was thinking any civs could get that info. Even understanding it, I am still leery of Xander sharing his identity. Although I think the risk is fairly minimal since the roles are not very vague as llama roles can sometimes be. I am sure Timmer has seen me make similar careless errors regardless of alignment, so Timmer. The last game we played together I went the whole game having misread my own role Lol.

I have read the Epi MP convo a few times. If I have learned anything it is that blurting out my opinion on either can be a mistake for me so I want to reserve judgment at this time.

My phone corrected Xander to Cancer yikes. And the color tags are really hard to read on the light theme, so I may have to switch to dark for this game.

Ok, no more colour tags.

And you're wrong, Xander should absolutely let the Xtacles know who he is. For starters, we won't be mislynching him then. And if he can get the Xtacles coordinated, they could actually protect him at night, every night! In addition to that, so long as enough live, they could coordinate a roleblock every night as well, which could end up finding baddies when kills fail.

HamburgerBoy wrote:I wonder what these sarcasm tags do

Not sure if being sarcastic.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who should I vote for today?

You should vote for Stan.

I'm sorry, but who's Stan?

Stan is a guy who's going to automatically start killing some relatively important Civs every day on Day 2.

thellama73 wrote:
Stan - Runs the Crews company when Xander is too lazy to do it, but has no real allegiance except to himself. Briefly masqueraded as Awesome-X. While he is alive, one of the Xtacles’ heads will explode every day.

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I didn't realize that we had started!

I'm a little pinged by the fact that SVS apparently misread the roles, since her reply to Long Con about the Xtacles isn't accurate. But I suppose that's a ping that doesn't really indicate an alignment so I'm not sure where to go with it. I'll tune in more tomorrow night. Game on!

I dont really see how misunderstanding the roles could be indicative of her alignment. Are you thinking from an angle like baddies don't have to care as much as Civvies about understanding all the roles maybe?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who should I vote for today?

You should vote for Stan.

Epignosis wrote:Yes, what. Do they speak English in What?

Who said what?

I won't vote Epig because of reasons I have stated in other games, and he has qualified for an exemption by my current standards.

I was that somebody. So now MM is free to do some real analysis and find a real reason to vote, and you are off the hook.

No, I mean you are totally OFF THE HOOK!

Epig won't get my vote today.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:Are we supposed to be weird and have a special thing we do in this game?

God damn, I almost did that :P

Ha ha - back off, get your own sandwich!

Are votes changeable?

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:What's the win condition of the Sisterhood of Chaos?

Xander Crews sends a message every night to six other Civs, so that's one of our biggest advantages. It would probably be best for him to 1) tell them all who he is, and 2) give a secret way for all the Xtacles to tell him, and each other, who they are. Like, make the 12th word of your second post of the day start with the letter F, or something equally hard to figure out. Then we will have a very solid Super Civvie team to base the whole game around. He could also set up a secret communication system wherein we can set up Xtacles coordination as well.

But wouldn't that lead to the baddies potentially finding this info out too, due to the Sisters Of Chaos thing? One of them is a baddie. I would think that wholesale info sharing might be something to approach with caution. My experience with search roles is that it's pretty hit or miss. They may never find each other, but I am not sure I want all that info potentially travelling to the baddies. I think Xander should be more circumspect about his own identity.

Grace isn't an Xtacle. None of the Xtacles can join the Sisterhood.

Scotty wrote:I don't know, I would feel jipped if I were on Crews' team.

Are you implying you're not on Crews' team?

What's the win condition of the Sisterhood of Chaos?

Xander Crews sends a message every night to six other Civs, so that's one of our biggest advantages. It would probably be best for him to 1) tell them all who he is, and 2) give a secret way for all the Xtacles to tell him, and each other, who they are. Like, make the 12th word of your second post of the day start with the letter F, or something equally hard to figure out. Then we will have a very solid Super Civvie team to base the whole game around. He could also set up a secret communication system wherein we can set up Xtacles coordination as well.

Does anyone have info on this poll? I'd wager DharmaHelper does.

Anywho... I'll vote for Trent because he's only almost equally attractive as Brent.

So, Team Crews only needs to kill team Killface, but it seems that we should also hope for Stan to die, because Xtacles' heads exploding is not exactly a good thing. IT says in his role that they will explode "every day"... I assume that doesn't include Day 0.

Quick rainbow list on Brent and Trent:
Brent
Trent

Clearly Trent is the way to go.

*votes Trent*