The Syndicate

Also, LOL that Dom was not a Susuwatari.

Zebra, why did you emphasize the convincing case you made on me the day before I died? What was that?

nijuukyugou wrote:
Long Con wrote:Unsurprising that I was right about Wilgy. Mafia, did you kill me because I was after Nijuu too much?
Nah - everyone was after me by then :P

What happened to that??

Unsurprising that I was right about Wilgy. Mafia, did you kill me because I was after Nijuu too much?

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Almost time to see who dies! Maybe it will be me.... maybe it will be YOU!
It's you.

No U.

Almost time to see who dies! Maybe it will be me.... maybe it will be YOU!

G-Man wrote:
Long Con wrote:G-Man, who do you think you will be voting for tomorrow?
I do not know yet
If I don't get NK'd I will
See what info can...

...be gathered from who
Dies and how that death alters
My technicolors

Thanks. I thought you were leaning toward Eloh from your post, I'll have to reread.

G-Man, who do you think you will be voting for tomorrow?

I think that maybe Zebra made a mistake, and WAS trying to say that her vote was forced... when there was no vote-forcing in play that day.

G-Man wrote:I think Zebra is
Foolish to think Niju pulled
Off poll on purpose

Oh! Like a power redirect?

G-Man wrote:
Long Con wrote:Ani vote-forces. And I thought Chichi did too, actually. Notably when I said this:

Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.
And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.
I interpreted a2thezebra's overly-belaboured point about explaining her vote for me in great detail as a "hint" that she was forced to vote for me. Is that what the rest of you thought? 'Cause there wasn't any vote-forcing going on as far as I can see.
That's not possible
Given that Ani targets
For vote force Odd Nights

Yes, that is my point, Mr G.

S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:You thought Zebra saying many times over, in italics, that she explained her vote for me in great detail, when she did nothing of the sort... was about nijuu?
The confirmed civ thing you are talking about was about Niju, and who took her off the poll. I don't see how it related to her vote for you, no.

Is that what I'm talking about? I could swear that I'm talking about a2thezebra and her actions, implications, and vote.

You thought Zebra saying many times over, in italics, that she explained her vote for me in great detail, when she did nothing of the sort... was about nijuu?

S~V~S wrote:No that is not what I thought.

Sigh. Ok, what did you think?

G-Man wrote:HOSTS: Can Chichi and
Ani redirect powers
Back at the user?

Or would such a thing
Still be considered instance
Of self-targeting?

Hey, wait a sec. Ani doesn't redirect powers, only Chichi does (and only on even nights, mind you!)

Ani vote-forces. And I thought Chichi did too, actually. Notably when I said this:

Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.
And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.

I interpreted a2thezebra's overly-belaboured point about explaining her vote for me in great detail as a "hint" that she was forced to vote for me. Is that what the rest of you thought? 'Cause there wasn't any vote-forcing going on as far as I can see.

a2thezebra wrote:But you see, we all knew that it wasn't a fact before we even started talking...right?

Au contraire, I have found this tangent to be quite helpful.

Well, "we all" didn't know it. Maybe everyone but me was thinking that's what happened, but it wasn't on my mind. I guess it's good if you found it helpful. I want to get back to the Day 1/5 voting analysis. I have a little temp spreadsheet and everything, but I'm distracted by the other game, and a banner request, and some TV as well.

a2thezebra wrote:By saying at best, you implied that it could be worse. Could it?

I'm saying that it couldn't be better. I don't know why you're focusing so hard on this, so I will try to end this unhelpful tangent.

The point of my communication, "an opinion at best", was to highlight the fact(?) that Radish-man's removal of nijuu from today's poll was not supported by any apparent way that he could know nijuu's alignment from a game mechanic.

It's a misunderstanding of my communication if it leads you to believe that I was implying some sort of worse possibility. "An opinion at worst" suits me fine. It's an opinion at best, and it's an opinion at worst, my point is that it is an opinion and not a fact.

While I was writing this, though, I started to think about Sen, and her searching players each night. I don't know if that could result in some sort of communication from Sen to another player. So maybe nijuu is Sen and searched Radish-man and he gets to know who she is. So I retract the "opinion at best" slightly, because the Sen secrets might provide a result that is better.

a2thezebra wrote:I never said that they knew, but what do you mean by an opinion at best? Don't you mean an opinion at worst?

That kind of phrasing is exaggeration at best.

No, I meant at best because there's no apparent way that it could be better. As in, actual info from game mechanics.

Thanks, Wilgy. Eloh DOES look very bad when you put it like that.

Why did you vote for me temporarily?

a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Because Elohcin is the obvious lynch for tomorrow.
Why is that? Nijuu will be back on, and she was considered a leading candidate as well until she was not on the poll today.
A leading candidate based on flimsy reasoning, yes. Our mutual friend took her off of today's poll for a reason.

A confirmed civ, whose identity we do not know, took her off of today's poll for a reason. Think about that.

And I, through my own inscrutable detective work, have determined that a confirmed civ, namely Chichiyaku, forced you to vote for me today. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's true then a confirmed civ tried to force you to work toward taking down me, and I am a civ.

My point is that I can't see a way that Radish-guy could know that nijuukyugou is not a baddie. So the fact that he's a civ means, at the most, that his belief that nijuu is civ is an opinion at best. "For a reason" doesn't lead to the conclusion that it was a correct reason, unless I'm missing a game mechanic that has the possibility of confirming nijuu's alignment for him. Y'know?

a2thezebra wrote:Because Elohcin is the obvious lynch for tomorrow.

Why is that? Nijuu will be back on, and she was considered a leading candidate as well until she was not on the poll today.

a2thezebra wrote:Would you have voted for DFaraday if it was between him and Elohcin?

I don't really know. The DFaraday action has really crossed my wires with the other game - I voted for him in that game on this day.

I want to have a look at both vote lists for Day 1 and Day 5, the days we lynched baddies. Was it within 1 vote at some point during today's lynch?

I am sorry I missed the vote. I was home a half hour before the lynch was up, but then the other game got my attention for *reasons* and I forgot to come back to this one. I wasn't even aware of the LongConishness of this lynch until I just caught up five minutes ago. Awesome that DFaraday was Yu-Bird, good job DF voters!

Sorsha wrote:I could get behind a DF lynch today. His defense of G-Man has got me thinking of a couple of scenarios. One: based on DF defending him and attacking me, that maybe I am wrong about G-Man. Its possible that DF knows G-Man is good because DF himself is bad. By attacking me he's trying to gain G-Man's favor, (or anyone's really who thinks that G-Man is good.) Or perhaps they are teammates and DF feels comfortable enough defending him since no one else is really agreeing with my G-Man suspicion.

I still find G-Man's actions this game suspicious and the fact that G-Man really hasn't even addressed them also bothers me. And I'm irritated that he is silenced today because it's just a lame free pass. Am I missing something on why no one else finds anything G-Man has done as suspicious?

Anyway- for now I'm going with a DF vote.

Gimme a quick and dirty list of G-Man suspicious behaviours again.

You wanna just... sneak off and get high?

Ok, so how do we analyze G-Man's technicolour voting lists?

I'm going to get confused between this game and the other one.

DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I have to agree with Sorsha; removing Niju would appear to be somehow shenanigan related, but a quick double check of the roles does not see this as a baddie related power.

The power stealer is a civ, and is also dead *shrug*
There are a couple of secrets, but they're also civ (and indy I guess). There's no self-targeting, so she can't have been Oshira-sama or whoever did it. Which means whoever did it probably doesn't even know Ninja's role.

So we've got a Civ Nijuu-sympathizer. We also don't know what the bath tokens do... has anyone received one yet? Care to comment on their function? I have not gotten one.

RIP sig. And welcome Zebra! What happened to sprityo?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's a reminder to everyone that Night 4 ends in about 1 hour 10 minutes. Don't forget to get your night actions in!
Lynch Marmot!
That's Doctor Lynch Marmot to you.

I don't think it is...

Almost time! Good luck, hope for no death!

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:It was 2/3 when I voted, and I'm sorry, I didn't think Soneji was bad. I am not going to vote for someone I don;t think is bad.
I was just thinking that I would expect a baddie to have avoided the lynch train on civ Soneji, and then I come in and see this post from you, Eloh. Who do you think are the baddies involved in the Soneji lynch, if any?
If I have to rank the Soneji voters, it would be Niju, Sorsha, Wilgy, SVS, then sig.

Ranked from most suspicious to least, I presume? If so, then I agree mostly. Maybe sig's placement would shift a little.

Elohcin wrote:It was 2/3 when I voted, and I'm sorry, I didn't think Soneji was bad. I am not going to vote for someone I don;t think is bad.

I was just thinking that I would expect a baddie to have avoided the lynch train on civ Soneji, and then I come in and see this post from you, Eloh. Who do you think are the baddies involved in the Soneji lynch, if any?

Elohcin wrote:I said we needed to get focused on one player and stop spreading the votes.

Hmmm.... looking for Civ cred?

G-Man wrote:I may break from my
Haiku for technicolor
Vote analysis

I'd pretend it was a haiku.

RIP Soneji, I wish it had been Nijuu. Playing around and leaving the vote so close was a fail anyway, with the Three Heads waiting to alter a lynch if necessary. I don't think DFaraday's Dom vote is all that weird, but I doubt he's getting that Bath Token tonight!

I haven't really changed my opinion much today, my gut still says nijuu is the one, so my vote will likely stay there.

G-Man wrote:
Long Con wrote:Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu. I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji. I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S, and Dom is shifting just above and below. Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin.
What makes you feel bad
About me so far this game
If I may ask

Supplicant, I will give you a token of my wisdom and tell you this: Quin was civ, and looking back over his interactions regarding you have caused me some slight concern. It is nothing to be concerned with at this moment, and mentioning you was but a small piece of the overall obfuscation.

Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu. I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji. I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S, and Dom is shifting just above and below. Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin.

Soneji wrote:My gut feeling on him has gone up to my mind and it doesn't compute the reasoning for that feeling as being the kind of thing to worry of a mislynch over.

This sentence was really hard to read, I really lose my grasp on its meaning as I get toward the end.

S~V~S wrote:Thanks Faraday.

I am hoping to see who,if anyone, supports a lynch of sig. Glad to see you do not

What if I said I support a lynch of sig?

nijuukyugou gets my vote for the time being. She hardly here, and when she's here she has basically echoed popular points of conversation (Wilgy's weird, Matt was suspicious) and it felt like she was buddying me as well. So, she's my current top suspicion.

DrWilgy wrote:6shots LC BAD

Go to bed, you're not making any sense!

My rye and cokes say... "Cool!" But as for Wilgette's sick murder, I say "Lame!" Play again with us, Wilgette, your time in this game was too brief!

Faraday never came in to comment. Maybe he's just planning on voting for Dom.

As for my views on DFaraday... I looked back over his posts. I saw when he said his reason for voting Dom on Day 1, and looked at Dom's posts up to that point, and I understand where he's coming from. I know the roles-based reasons for what you were saying about Dom, but I don't blame DF for not thinking of taking that into account.

Looking at the remainder of their interactions, I put DF more Civ than Dom on a rainbow list. That's not factoring in your roles-based theory, S~V~S.

DFaraday, who do you think you'll be voting for tomorrow?

S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Quin... Get back to work you lazy soot! Get... Back to... Work...

Soneji wrote:Wilgy hasn't answered why he voted me. I don't understand what his deal is, especially in light of Matt's actions last day phase.
Ji-san. Why did you ignore me?

Why do I fall asleep and we lynch players that aren't Elo?
I am going to concentrate on reading both you & Eloh today.

I have one serious downfall as a Mafia player (well, 2, I have been known to have tantrums)~ I have a tendency to Momma Bear people. As a character trait, protecting people you view as oppressed is a good one. In a game like this,though, it can, and has, led to me being taken advantage of bu the people I was protecting. I am well aware of this, but it is how I am.

Now, and I mean this with all due respect, and affection, a large part of how I have reacted to Eloh & to you is 100% based on how I am perceiving how you are talking to her. I feel bad for her, becasue I think you are being sort of mean. I am assuming this is a game related persona. As someone who does not know alot about the characters the role is based on this is possible. But I am not the only one not familiar with the film, so if that is the case you might want to throttle it back a bit. Logically I know that adopting a mean persona as a baddie would not be a wise move, and I honestly don't think you are bad partially based on this persona.

I am also confused about why you & LC suddenly became friends, at least from your perspective. There is one potential reason for this, and tbh, I don't know that i think that that is the case with you two.

And LC, I know how you absolutely freak out over people buddying you. Why do you think Wilgy suddenly started being president of your fan club?

It's well known what I think of Wilgy - that he's the Stink Spirit. So his "buddying" doesn't faze me at all, I'm already not planning on voting for him. Not sure what "potential reason" is on your mind, this is more of a token friendship based on the mutual love of Dragonball Z. And may I say that I'm glad that the mutated fusion of Locolgy has finally ended, and I am my own, unmutated, unfused self once again! Thank god it wasn't earring-based, Wilgy! That sh*t frightens me.

Well, not the first time I was wrong.

Sorsha wrote:I promise if I'm not dead by the weekend I will re-read the whole thread and become more involved and stop making such shitty votes. I don't want to be the one who decides these close votes when I'm really not giving the game the attention it needs.

Can't you see it right in front of your nose? Quin is, in his latest posts massively misrepresenting me and what I said. Civvies don't have to do that!!! Sorsha, please move your useless vote, or you will be responsible for allowing the baddies to manipulate Quin out of the noose.

Linki: Cool move, G-Man. WE have to control the lynch, not the baddies.

Quin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Quin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm voting Quin because I think his approach towards LC has felt shady, and he made little effort to deefend himself, which kind of read like defeated baddie to me. Also, I don't think Wilgy is bad.
You don't think him refusing to acknowledge my suspicion of him back on Night 2 was shady? Ok.
Yeah, that's 99% a fabrication of yours, so that's probably why no one is worried about it.
'I don't owe you anything'. That's what you said. It is not a fabrication. you flat out refused to acknowledge it.

Cool, words without context.

IN context, it doesn't mean anything you are claiming it means. IN context, it means that I don't owe you gratitude for *not* lynching me while I was silenced, because it wasn't on the table.

Quin wrote:
Long Con wrote:I'd be a LOT more comfortable with more votes on Quin - looking at you specifically Wilgy, but anyone willing to join. The three heads are probably going to control the lynch if we just keep things all close-to-tied... and Quin and Wilgy are in the lead, but neither has voted for the other yet. So this is ripe for baddie manipulation. Come on, people, get your votes off the outliers that aren't getting lynched, and get them on to Quin so he can't manipulate his way out with Three-Head power.
I already said I wouldn't. You seem.overeager to lynch me though. Yet another thing that makes you look bad.

"Yet another" is linguistic manipulation because there is not much of a case against me to begin with.

I'm overeager to have a lynch that the baddies do not control, and you are a baddie, so that's of interest to me as well.

Sorsha wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Quin wrote:Quin won't cause any shenanigans by voting wilgy for self preservation, since he's civ. You should all vote LC or sprityo.
How do you know he's civ?
He doesn't. He just knows he's not bad, because Quin IS bad.
I want to trust you LC but that has a bad track record for me. You do make a good case on him and I hope you are right if he does get lynched.

I know it's pretty much a nothing vote but I'm going with G-Man today. His late-ish vote and then saying he was going to keep an eye on anyone voting after him rubs me the wrong way. You aren't the vote police G-Man

Why would you vote for someone with no votes??? Unless you are intending for the baddies to control the vote with their extra votes?

Quin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm voting Quin because I think his approach towards LC has felt shady, and he made little effort to deefend himself, which kind of read like defeated baddie to me. Also, I don't think Wilgy is bad.
You don't think him refusing to acknowledge my suspicion of him back on Night 2 was shady? Ok.

Yeah, that's 99% a fabrication of yours, so that's probably why no one is worried about it.

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