The Syndicate

Damn, I voted for Llama the first chance I got, haha. Well done, guys!

Sucks that I disappeared as long as I did. Maybe I could have spearheaded some more cases in that time, but ah well.

Cool game, MP! I enjoyed all the paranoia immensely when I was around.

Wharblegarble...

juliets wrote:Mister R, I just want to tell you that that kitten with the lizards is my favorite cat video ever!

Haha, nice! All credit goes to whatever random subReddit I was browsing at the time.

Hey guys, what do you think about...

69

*snickers*

How I feel in this thread:



surrounded by baddies, yo

Do I still get to fight???

thellama73 wrote:grope in the dark.

Also gross

I picked 3, my favorite number.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Project Mayhem has sufficiently infiltrated society.

Gross

How I secretly want this game to end:

MovingPictures07 wrote:It really doesn't matter anyway.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, it isn't like this is the first time MP has mass killed people. He killed like 9 in one day, I think, back at TP. You don't vote, you lose.

As the person who has made low posters his crusade, you more than anyone should get this. It isn't the hosts fault, it's the people who did not vote, etc.

The difference is that ordinarily the teams are assigned randomly, so modkilling low-posters is an equal opportunity punishment. In this case, it was heavily biased towards one team, which I don't think is fair. It's not just "if you don't vote you lose" it's "if you don;t vote, the host makes sure your entire team cannot win"

As an involved and participating player, is this your admission of guilt?

I hate to doom & gloom, but I feel like we're all dying soon anyways. I'll go out punching and kicking.

I can't agree with you on it. I'd feel stronger about Russ, who Timmer seems to have voted for. I think I'll vote there as well, to avoid spreading votes too much.

Wanted to stick around til the end of the poll, but I've got places to be. :/

EBWOP: I mean, I had the same thought he did on my first days: Maybe I should get into the fighting game early so I'm not surrounded by high-level players at the end, y'know? So that aspect of his posts isn't all that fishy to me.

Interesting that he went back to cautiousness on Night 8:

Kylemii wrote:i have not fought yet, but i am apprehensive about doing so at this point in the game. i feel like I'd probably die.

so i'm going to vote for someone else, someone who hasn't won any fights

Did you catch this in your read, Llama?

thellama73 wrote:MR, what do you think of my case against Kyle? Anything to it, or am I imagining things?

I like your assessment of his Day 1-Day 4 shift, but that leads me to believe he may have been recruited between then, not that he's Tyler.

I'll have to look through his posts for myself, because while I find myself in agreement about your suspicion, I'm not sure how much of that is my own opinion and how much of it has to do with the good job you did compiling the case.

At first, he struck me as the Kyle I remember playing with on LP. However, I'm especially intrigued by what you called him "trying to sound casual" in those post D4 snippets.

bea wrote:I would like to know how MR was less explanatory than kyle. Also - if LC does turn up bad then you think your vote for MR is poor? And you should supect kyle, llama and timmer instead?

If LC turns up bad then I am wrong, but by my read of the thread it doesn't seem very likely.

I'm confused by this statement. where exactly are you wrong again? And why do you think you are most likely not wrong? I've not seen anything from you that speaks of evidence of anything.

Again - just because LC is in the hot seat so people are expecting you to comment, you take the most noncommital spot you can take. Because I also get this - you've not got your read yet there. Maybe? And it's about time peeps are going to start asking you.
But why MR over Kyle? llama and timmer have both worked the eff out of this thread - the nonparticipants are kyle and MR. This is interesting to me. Like lots. I'd love a complete breakdown of every thought you've had while reading everying. Please do that BR. (I know that's crap btw. but still I'd love it!)

@ LC - I'm sorry if you are a civ - outside of llama where else would you have us look? And I KNOW svs and others will be around so y9ou know things can turn...yet..

This post stands out to me a lot more now. I am definitely interested in hearing a response from Black Rock, even if Bea is no longer with us. Black Rock's post previous to this one was very noncommittal and did leave Kyle out of the conversation to a degree I'm not comfortable with.

Canucklehead wrote: Crazy theory that I KNOW is going to get me lynched:
I think in order to kill Tyler, we need to lynch the narrator.

This isn't too far off from what I was considering with Kate and finding the recruits first. Hmm, could be and would make more sense, as twisted as it would be to do.

That being said, I still automatically want to lynch anyone who makes "I know I'll be lynched for this, but..." statements lol

I'm trying to wrap my head around why I suspected Daisy the other day. I know I sensed some kind of tonal shift during my first readthrough, but nothing is standing out now that I'm going back to the split-threads. I'm more inclined to believe anything I might have nitpicked the first time was all the result of a busy schedule.

linki: Not me! I can't even keep up with reading all of this stuff, let alone narrating it.

S~V~S wrote:The civs started out as "survive to the end", iirc from my role PM.

There's a second part to that, but I think I would be violating rules by posting anything from that PM and do not want to do that.

^I wouldn't see any reason to refer to the generic civ roles as "independent" in the first place if that wasn't the implication. Then again, I have a tendency of naivety.

Also with regards to SVS's narrowing down possible Tyler Durdens:

I don't see anything in the non-secret descriptions that would indicate Tyler recruits throughout the process. I could see Tyler recruiting the first BTSC partner from the player's starting town, but then perhaps Tyler could recruit through that first recruit from there, and so on and so forth. Gives incentive for Tyler and the recruit to split up instead of staying together.

Differing thoughts about a mechanic we won't be sure of until the endgame, I guess. :/

Linki @Llama: I took the "No longer independent" as an end to the ambiguity of being possible recruits. That was my train of thought.

@SVS: You do talk a lot. I thought Timmer's words/theories were contradictory concerning fight mechanics, but I think he meant that he picked you because he thought two inexperienced fighters might be a safer bet for both parties. However, it's still not a very strong notion after taking the Unfurl vs. DP fight into account.

Canuck's fight happened later; I need to dig into the threads some more to figure out if she fought before that, which may have had an influence? There were a lot more "nobody was harmed" fights than I listed too, I was just bringing up the earliest ones I could remember.

Regarding recruitment ending, the host said so himself:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Night 4: A Twist No One Expected

It is now Day 5. The game has entered its true phase. All roles have been updated appropriately.

All unrecruited Civilians are no longer independent. They are aligned with "Narrator" and must need Tyler Durden dead to win.

You have 48 hours to lynch "Tyler Durden" or one of his cronies. Good luck.[/b]

This plays into why I have a weak opinion that Kate may have been Tyler. Idk.

Nobody is positing that our missing party, Kate, might be Tyler? Could be a role that dies once all of its recruits die, or even when the Narrator dies? She fits Timmer's theory as well as any other possibilities. Just one reason why I'm not solely focused on lynching Tyler today, as that may not even be possible. I don't remember when her status was changed to "vanished" though... :/

Timmer, I was a bit unclear on why you thought SVS was a safe pick for fighting, but I think it makes sense now. I was only curious of what made you so sure that you wouldn't kill her in said fight. Mia culpa.

Other issues that I haven't seen resolved or addressed:

-Unfurl's early killing of DP as a result of their fight

-Boomslang not being injured by Hedge

-Keterman not being injured by BR on Night 2; same with SE vs. FH; same with Timmer vs. Daisy Night 1

-Recruiting stopped as soon as the threads merged, right? If I think Timmer's theory about Tyler holds water (that he could only recruit in the town he's residing in), that would make it a bit more difficult for him to recruit the police quickly, as Llama hypothesized. Not impossible, mind you, especially if they moved in a herd. But trickier if they split up.

^That's a few things I've noticed and apologies if they've been addressed. Catching up on this game is a constant process what with how long I was absent.

Now I've got some further reading to do... >.>

I work on weekends...

If I have enough time, I plan to do a readthrough on as many players as possible while there.

Aw, RIP bea!

thellama73 wrote:Is keterman supposed to be off the poll? I thought we could lynch him even when he was wounded. Not that I would, but still.

I punched him right off of the poll?!

Just asking some questions since it doesn't seem you took that into account here:

timmer wrote: Let's look at the numbers.

17 players left. Night 8. Tyler has had the chance to recruit 7 times. Two recruits are dead. So I'd say Project Mayhem should equal 6 people right now including Tyler. They will recruit again tonight, going back to 7 members. They will likely try to kill someone tonight. So they will have 7 out of 16 if successful. Let's say they throw Keterman to the wolves and he's lynched. Now they are 6 out of 15. Then they recruit and kill BOOM 7 out of 14 players left. End of the game.

That last part is a lot of supposing, but the key to me is that bullz a) just called Long Con a frustrated civ, b) he was in the same fight club as both DH and Long Con early on, c) the only other player who WAS in those fight clubs voted Long Con early in the lynch, d) I don't think Keterman can be Tyler, though he is very likely a recruit.

Thoughts?

^Meaning you won't damage the civ/Mayhem ratio if you two fight, regardless of outcome? Or...?

^Do you have an opinion on SVS's alignment though?

^Nah, I was actually going to add, "What if LC was intended to be the sacrificial lamb anyways". Wouldn't answer anything, really. :/

bea wrote: I won my only fight. I severely injured MR. I increased in fight level because of that. I do not want to risk fellow civs to fight.

Troof

I'll vote for Daisy - recruit suspicion

and Timmer - because he wants to fight

Step on a crack...nothing of note happens...

DharmaHelper wrote:MISS THE VOTE I SLIT YOUR THROAT

Snitches in ditches...

This is me if...no, when...I win the fight:



bea: Maybe that's not such a bad thing re: cluster of votes for LC. I do know that at least I picked somebody this time, haha.

I'll be intrigued to see what happens in the final few hours here. Gotta lay on a vote in the meantime. Maybe crazy counter-pushes will develop. Maybe I'll be wrong. Maybe it's Maybelline

^His vote and, going back over his history, how much I find myself agreeing with his posts.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:^Glad to see you again as well, Russ!

See, I'm just of the opposite perspective. Eliminating BTSC between a baddie team essentially makes them all SKs for the purposes of in-thread behavior. Personally, I tend to have a better track record with suspecting solo baddies; however, I can never convince enough other players to believe me lol

I like SVS's notion of a baddie leader that simply PMs anonymous instructions to his cronies, regardless of if it's true or not. Just sounds like it'd be a cool role and make for an entertaining game.

I think I skipped one thing in my reading catch up. Why are we is cussing how the baddies might utilize BTSC? Why would it be anyway other than the norm for these games, I mean I have only ever seen chat rooms for the most part. Or is this a question about how/if BTSC works/exists for the recruits and Tyler? It would seem pretty disabling to the baddies to not allow them BTSC if you ask me. I can't see Alex crippling a team this way...

If Tyler is a powerhouse of a role, it could compensate to limit his recruits' knowledge who he is and their communication, but that's neither here nor there. Everyone was just running rampant with speculation at the time I posted that, as I'm sure you saw.

I've seen anonymous BTSC before anyways. I believe DH was Miles in the Lost game at Rev and had a "Miles chats with the dead" page. Not 100 percent sure if I'm remembering that correctly, but I think so... :/

@Timmer: interesting

juliets wrote:Very interesting LC. I see you took part of my vote post but didn't bother to take the whole thing because well, it looks stupider the way you chose to represent it. There is no context or comment. I wonder how many of the other vote posts you cut off part of the reason. Would a civ do that? Or an unrecruited policeman? I don't know, I'll sleep on it. And just for the record, here is the entire part of the post that had to do with my vote:


I do not have strong feelings about anyone this lynch. It just feels like an impossible task to me to find Tyler right now. There are some things I need to read through again I just dont have time before this lynch. Boogs already has votes calling him out for not being present in the game and I'm going to vote for Mr. Rearranger to prompt him to come out of the shadows and discuss or theorize or do anything frankly. I don't understand the change in him from the first part of the game to the second. I thought about voting Lea but I'm not quite ready to commit to her.

So Mr. R, where have you gone and would you please come back to the game?

votes Mr. R

You voted for me?! For shame!

So just on a related note, I remember voting for Dom over the course of multiple games on LP with little to no basis behind it. So not unheard of.

However, I'm not sure I'm buying LC's part in the back-and-forth with Llama, even though he was kind enough to vote for me to fight. I'm used to seeing more conviction from him, but this difference could simply be due to the nature of this game. I know I'm more lost than ever. :/

This game is a wild ride to catch up on, read back to 15 as of now...

I'm not dead yet, right?

No? Cool, carry on.

Trying my best to keep up. This back-and-forth is providing a lot of reading material haha.

^Glad to see you again as well, Russ!

See, I'm just of the opposite perspective. Eliminating BTSC between a baddie team essentially makes them all SKs for the purposes of in-thread behavior. Personally, I tend to have a better track record with suspecting solo baddies; however, I can never convince enough other players to believe me lol

I like SVS's notion of a baddie leader that simply PMs anonymous instructions to his cronies, regardless of if it's true or not. Just sounds like it'd be a cool role and make for an entertaining game.

Sorsha wrote: From what I remember someone just asked "how are fights determined? is it random?" and MP answered that its not random. I'll have to go and find the situation and see.

I do not know why I won my fight. As far as the "being active" bullz and I were both pretty active in the thread before/during our fight. Its not like either of us was a no show/on poster and we were both volunteering.

Was the bolded directed at me? Because the post of mine you quoted didn't mention anything about "being active". Or was that for juliets's thing about possibly missing a PM?

Sorsha wrote:Oh you mean like he was talking about your fight specifically not being random?

Or whatever fight was being referenced when he was asked. To be clear you are not certain why you won your fight? Do you have reason to think you should have lost?

Sorsha wrote:No, that wasn't what made me think that. Somewhere in one of the threads someone asked how the winners were decided/if it was random and iirc correctly MP said it was not random.

So if its not random than something has to be deciding the outcome. It isn't apparent in the thread what it deciding it so...... it must be something btsc.

Perhaps you were in a similar boat as Unfurl then, who said she's unsure of how she won?

I'm quite sure of why I lost my first fight. And I know it wasn't random. You don't think MP was referring to that when he said it wasn't random?

Sorsha wrote:So we aren't supposed to discuss theories? Sorry... My bad I guess.

No, just making my opinion known. We can discuss my opinion that focusing too much on a conspiracy theory is a bad idea, if you'd like?

My "what?" was me questioning whether MP's response to your query was what prompted you to believe that the fights were (partially or not) determined via somebody's BTSC group.

Sorsha wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Basically, I had a theory. And now I'm not entirely sure if it's true or not. So I'm looking to see if others feel there might be a point to it or not.

And like I said, at some point today, I am going to do a re-read on unfurl to see if I can get anything else out of it. If I don't find anything else, I'll probably drop my theory. Because it's already fairly flimsy as it is.

I think participating in the fight does have something to do with it, but there is something else too. MP has said it's not random who wins and who loses so something is happening btsc to determine winners.

What? I think a few people who have fought can infer what they want about what MP said, but starting conspiracy theories about Tyler and his sugarhill gang* having a say in things isn't going to help much. It leads us down a winding road of looking way too much into who the winners of previous fights were and distracts from in-thread behavioral study. Then again, everybody susses out baddies in their own way, and I'm certainly no pro at it.

*Note to Tyler: If you are in charge of who wins and loses, I hope you appreciate the tasty, succulent jam that is "Rapper's Delight" and plz don't hurt me.


linki: I'm not surprised, tbh. I didn't think there would be blanket win-conditions for all fights on all days.

Sorsha wrote:So nobody has any comment about my theory up above there? About how fights might be decided?

We're just going to hem and haw about whether or not the baddies have btsc? I just wanted to know if the host had addressed whether they did or not and he answered that for me.

I figured it also had to do with other things like experience, coin-flippities, or what-have-you, but your guess is just as good as mine.

Plus, you know what they say about the first rule of Fight Club?

I wouldn't mind hearing from Llama either. Also, I am soooooo relieved we have an extended day period!

I decided to try plea bargaining a speeding ticket, but I received it wayyyyy out of town, so I'm pretty much gonna be spending my whole Tuesday doing that.

This will give me a ton of time to recoup and read up on what I've been missing. Not to mention, see who else comes out of the woodwork and steps up to MP's vote-missing challenge.

S~V~S wrote:The only way I could see it working for Mayhem without BTS would be if maybe Tyler knew who they were, and could send directions or something like in the movie. You never know who might have been in Project Mayhem in the movie, it could be the guy sitting next to you on the train. Only Tyler know who everyone was.

So this could be a plausible scenario~ but the whole point of Mafia is the uninformed majority against the informed minority. So based on similarity to the movie, it is possible, but only if Tyler can direct the recruits in some way.

Good point, very "man behind the curtain" kind of approach.

Is Marla still a thing? Has there been any discussion of her at all? Because I know we talked about her quick in Chicago (I think?) before merging all the groups.

I've been thinking under the assumption that they do have BTSC.

Then if I'm wrong, they don't; which would make them a weaker team imo.

And if I'm right, then I get to be right, for whatever that's worth.

Win-win situation.

Nobody feels pingy to me in this game, even at this point. Then again, there's a lot of non-participatory players (ashamed to say I was in that group last week), so...

Yay for deathless nights! Good to see you too, Bea.

I've gotta get some handle on suspicions and whatnot, since I've been gone so long. A reread is in order today, for sure. I'd like to know my partner in fisticuffs thinks as well