The Syndicate

Hello. Did you miss me?
So, anyone care to give me the cliff notes?

MP, I want to strangle you at this point. I was not trying to discredit you, I was trying to get some sense into you. This is the most cocky behaviour I have ever seen from you.
Whatever. I'm done. Enjoy

MP, I got out of the shower and on my way to bed. The fact that someone "appeals to emotion" doesn't make them bad. I would think that with your experience with mafia, you'd know that. At this point, you're so pleased with what you think you have, you're too set in your way to let anything change your mind. I have no idea what's wrong with what I said. You twisted my words too many times today, and I'm trying not to lose my temper because for some weird reason, I think you're misguided and not really a baddie.
What exactly would you have me say about your theory. What logical argument would make you change your mind. None. I'm disappointed in you, because you're doing just what you said you don't want to do. If by any chance people follow your vote and I get lynched, you would be disappointed in yourself. Had I been a baddie and actually understood what the heck you were talking about, maybe I could come up with a better logical, non emotional response. But since I'm a civ, and a very frustrated one, I can't.
I don't know how else I can convince you I'm a civ. Last game here, I told you all I don't mind being lynched because I was busy, and people conveniently took that as me being baddie and then said I should have fought more. I'm not saying lynch me, because that would just give you another reason to find me bad even though I'm seriously frustrated here, because here I am, fighting as much as I can., For heaven's sake I AM A TOWNIE. Move your vote!


If you lynch me. I swear, I'm going to root for the baddies. You people don't deserve to win

MovingPictures07 wrote:I really don't understand why someone would conclude I was the one targeted.

Bass and FZ.'s most recent posts really don't make me reconsider my perception of my observation.

Bass, the thing is: It was not made public whether DF or I survived the NK. So why would you say you think I'm civvie SOLELY based on the NK survival and you have no opinion of DF, even though it was not made public which one of us was the target?

FZ., I have NEVER seen a game on this site where there was a possibility of two different targets for the NK survival. It's certainly an interesting way to write it. But I can't recall anyone doing this, let alone Epig or Elo. And don't worry, you didn't offend me, but now that you're implying I'm either paranoid or baddie, instead of logically refuting my observation, makes me wonder. Especially so since you haven't said a word about my Bass observations.

I'm sitting here after 2 am, to make the right decision and not lynch a civ, If you guys vote for me, I will be really angry. I have done nothing this game but look for baddies. I'm as civ as they get, and I'm sorry I'm frustrated, but believe me, it's for a good reason.
I can't say anything about your theory because there's nothing to say. It's false. I have no idea about Bass, but it seemed natural for him to reply on your post when he was there. Is he using me or is he just another civ, don't know, but it has nothing to do with anything.

And I'm not being rude.

linki: MP, I can't use logic to refute something that has no logic in my opinion. You want to vote for me, do it. I'm getting used to it. I'm kind of pissed that I've spent the last 3 hours here instead of going to bed.

Knowing Epi and Elo, would they make the target known to cause more confusion? saying someone was targeted is more likely to make them look like a civ, but one could be a baddie and one civ. Because in all my games hosted by EPi, I don't remember him giving any info about the target


linki: MP, I'm done defending this. Not to offend you, but your theory is ridiculous. I was on to llama the second game I played with him. I've played with him at least 6 games, I think that's enough. And he says he gets lynched, almost every game, and he did actually get lynched a few. You said you're paranoid, you're right. Either that, or you're a baddie.


Good night

linki: yes, you're crazy. No, not astute post at all, and not on to anything. Very far from it...and now good night

Roxy, what do you think of DF?

I noticed that last day DF agreed with Ambrey and me when we called out Niju, and today, he's agreeing on BR and llama, but has he voiced any original ideas regarding them?

linki: I get frustrated easily when I think I'm being very clear and it appears I don't....sorry.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well so far I don't want to see MP get lynched and i'm not to sure about llama either. I feel like llama could just be really busy and thats why he hasn't been active like his normal self so it really hard for me to say at this point . If I had to vote right now it would probably for Black Rock . Her vote for Dom seemed kinda strange to me and out of no where .

Why don't you want to see me lynched? What about my play makes you think it's a civvie? I'm just curious. I find the fact that now at least three people (DF, you, and FZ.) have said I seem civvie interesting.

With Llama, that could be the case, but could it not also be the case for BR?

Why do you think the scenario you described is the case for Llama but not BR?

Well there has to be a reason you survived the attempted night kill. The one reason that could have happen is a certain civvie role. I don't know for sure if you are that role or not but I would hate to lynch someone who could be that role.

Yes the scenario coulod be the case for both of them but so far this game BR has given me more reason to look her way then Llama has.

Damn, do you think llama is a civ? I don't want to lynch a civ

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I doubt they are all civs. Just like I doubt all the low posters are baddies. I'm going off the fact that in the early days, it's really easy to lynch a civ, so why interfere with that, let the civs screw up on their own, and we can then accuse them for lynching civvies. In later days, you have to take a stand, so going with that approach is more likely going to get you called out

Wait, what?

Your "so why interfere with that...accuse them for lynches civvies" sentence reads weird to me. Can you word that differently?

I mean that from a baddies' perspective it's easier to stay on the sidelines and let the civvies dig their own graves. What did you not understand, I'm sorry. I'm not following. Are you choosing to not understand what I'm saying? I felt like what I said was very clear.

linki: Seriously? What??

Why would I choose to not understand? Sorry. I'm not trying to offend. I just asked for clarification because I wasn't entirely sure what your perspective was.

It's just odd that you intended that sentence as a baddie perspective when it wasn't indicated in the sentence that's what you meant. It read like you were thinking it. That's why I was confused.

Anyway, are you still leaning BR over Llama or no?

It's almost 2 am here. I'm tired, and I think that what I say makes perfect sense. I'm not that bad of a player that when I'm bad I make it that obvious that I'm bad. Even if I'm tired.
You were already suspicious of me one game for something that you thought I said as a slip. Of course I didn't and was a civ then. I'm just trying to remember if you were a baddie or a civ back then.

I don't know. I think I'm going with llama, but will feel really bad for lynching him if he's a civ. That said, he's the one that always wants to lynch the low posters for not contributing, so it will be an educational experience for him. Still, I'm hoping we're right on this


linki MP: I was voicing what the baddies say to themselves. I have got nothing to say about this. It's what I meant, I thought it was obvious. Apparently, it wasn't. It is what it is.

Going to bed and voting llama

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I doubt they are all civs. Just like I doubt all the low posters are baddies. I'm going off the fact that in the early days, it's really easy to lynch a civ, so why interfere with that, let the civs screw up on their own, and we can then accuse them for lynching civvies. In later days, you have to take a stand, so going with that approach is more likely going to get you called out

Wait, what?

Your "so why interfere with that...accuse them for lynches civvies" sentence reads weird to me. Can you word that differently?

I mean that from a baddies' perspective it's easier to stay on the sidelines and let the civvies dig their own graves. What did you not understand, I'm sorry. I'm not following. Are you choosing to not understand what I'm saying? I felt like what I said was very clear.

linki: Seriously? What??

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Bottom line is, when I look at who I'm suspicious of, it's those who come in, throw in a lame reason for a vote, and walk out. It's likely not all baddies are in that group, but I think we can find at least 2-3 that way. Question is, who are they?

I mean, I get that, but what if they're just distracted civvies, all of them?

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Snowy, thanks. That's a good point. But it does get kind of WIFOMy, I suppose.

I do find it odd we haven't seen Llama's usual "can't you people read me better?!?" or anything like that when he's accused wrongly as a civvie too though.

Alright, I suppose it's best to listen to my gut and where I really think is the best place for my vote... I'll switch to Llama.

Do you feel comfortable with voting BR? You're making me worried about voting llama...

Maybe.

I think what struck me most odd (not sure whether it's "suspicious", but just odd) about BR's vote post was that she said she was voting DOM to shake things up. Like she picked a name out of a hat. Why would a civvie do that? Just to get reactions or something and see who would bandwagon onto her, in addition with not paying attention to the thread due to RL? That's the only reason I could think of.

I doubt they are all civs. Just like I doubt all the low posters are baddies. I'm going off the fact that in the early days, it's really easy to lynch a civ, so why interfere with that, let the civs screw up on their own, and we can then accuse them for lynching civvies. In later days, you have to take a stand, so going with that approach is more likely going to get you called out

MovingPictures07 wrote:Snowy, thanks. That's a good point. But it does get kind of WIFOMy, I suppose.

I do find it odd we haven't seen Llama's usual "can't you people read me better?!?" or anything like that when he's accused wrongly as a civvie too though.

Alright, I suppose it's best to listen to my gut and where I really think is the best place for my vote... I'll switch to Llama.

Do you feel comfortable with voting BR? You're making me worried about voting llama...

Bottom line is, when I look at who I'm suspicious of, it's those who come in, throw in a lame reason for a vote, and walk out. It's likely not all baddies are in that group, but I think we can find at least 2-3 that way. Question is, who are they?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Not comfortable with a Llama vote at this stage.

If you're comfortable with voting me, then I guess your opinion isn't the one I should consider

I'm not comfortable voting for anybody which is why I am starting to suck at this game. Mafia in general that is, not this game in paticular.

You're definitely not the only one in that boat.

I second guess myself every sec. I used to be so much better at this game. Ask people on K-site

I think that LC's reasoning is a little on the bad side as well. Seems too easy.

In any case, even if llama is distracted and busy, his only post saying Ambray sounded insincere and that was his only reason for voting seemed the opposite of genuine to me. Also, I would expect him to say something about getting too many votes last day. Often baddies don't want to seem bothered by getting votes, so they don't react, and civs do and are then accused for being defensive.

I think if nothing changes in the next few minutes, I'm voting llama

linki: unless he's busy and he sees he's already talked about so much, so instead of wasting his time, he gives up

Snow Dog wrote:Not comfortable with a Llama vote at this stage.

If you're comfortable with voting me, then I guess your opinion isn't the one I should consider

Why did LC vote MP?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, Rox.

Snowy, I didn't mean "make up" as in craft or create, since that's inevitable -- I mean, it just sounded to me like something you didn't really believe. Like I said, I'll give you some time, and I'll very likely change my vote, but I'd ask you to reconsider finding me bad just because I read your post as not genuine in the heat of the moment and called out my observation.

I need to go to bed. Even if you don't know whether to trust me or not, I don't want you lynched at this point. I think I'm going to vote llama, but like I said, BR would be okay too, though I am not familiar with her game. Is that something she would do?

linki: okay, does this mean we go for llama?

MovingPictures07 wrote:FZ., do you feel worse about MR or about Llama and BR? Like, in a gut way, rather than a rational way?

Also, I'm having a really hard time with you because I feel I suspect you a lot and now I finally get to a game where I was trusting you pretty much, but then you made that statement, and with all the vouching, now I'm wondering whether you're just buddying up to me because you know I'm very likely civ or whether we just are seeing eye to eye. :P

But I really feel your attempts to baddie hunt have been genuine.

And I'm really going in circles about BR and Llama, I don't know. There are other players who Rox mentioned who haven't contributed much either and have also made weird votes.

I think I'll give Snowy the BOTD for now and see how I feel about him later, but I also wonder if all these players saying they see nothing wrong with him is a baddie ploy. But I guess if Rox and I are the only two that found his post insincere then that can't be the case. :P

Ahhhhh, Linkitis attack!

My gut is telling me llama is bad. That's who I feel the strongest about. But the one thing holding me off is exactly the fact that he's not around, and that's not like him, no matter his alignment. But if I go with my gut, he's the one.

I'm sorry you're having a hard time, but I'm not bad. If you are a civ, then yeah, we do seem to be seeing eye to eye, and the fear of being tricked is mutual. At least for me, it shifted from the start of the game, where you agreeing with me felt too much to seeing you more civ like now

Ambray wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, if you had to vote right now, who would it be for and why?

Ambray, how strongly do you feel about that?

About FZ?

To begin with, not overly, just a ping. But I decided to read back on her posts and now a bit more strongly.

Firstly, there have been several posts were she has referred to someone as civ - now once again I say I don't know if times have moved on with how you word things/play now, but I have always seen this as a way to try and get people on your side and gain some back up from people.
You, MP and Roxy she has read as civ so far.
I find for D2 that's very quick to form such opinions. Roxy's especially she had formed by N1.

I also feel she is following the thread with what is happening and whoever are the current big suspicions - she is following them.

And call me being picky but..

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you.

..as far as I can see it's only MP saying llama would be an easy lynch.
In my experience baddies tend to over exaggerate to make the situation sound a bit better.

linki - woah - don't find me suspicious so you don't care why I find that you are? WTH!?

TOO MUCH LINKI LET ME POST PLS TNKS

This is sort of annoying me, sorry.
First of all, if there's one thing you can not accuse me of, is following the thread with what is happening. I said all along that I'm suspicious of llama, and I'm the first to call out BR, if I'm not mistaken. Also, I'm just playing a game with MP and Roxy in another site, and while they can play differently, you can ask MP if I hadn't defended him from the get go in that game as well, and he was even suspicious of me for that. I form my opinions early on, and then I may change them. It's not set in stone. I'm allowed to get good vibes from people, and bad ones. I'm also allowed to be wrong. None of that makes me a baddie.

And as for the don't care, it's exactly for this reason. I don't like wasting time defending myself. I'd rather spend it looking at people who I don't trust. Since you're not high on that list, it seemed like a waste of time. Didn't mean to offend you

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

how she decides to answer this question will probably finalize where i leave my vote.


Rereading the case against BR, making sure i'm not confusing it with LC's thing

I already have. Look it up.

Ambray wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you.

Suddenly you're not giving me warm and fuzzies anymore.

That's not my intention in the game
But I would love to know what exactly your problem is. Actually, since at the moment I don't find you that suspicious, I don't care.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you.

I understand, the wording of your post just was strange considering.

That, when combined with the fact SO MANY people have been vouching for you or issuing no opinions, is odd. I know I'm one of those players, and that I'm on my lonesome and that my thoughts on you are just based on my interpretation, so I realize it could just be a coincidence -- but as I said, this is my paranoia thinking.

I realize, though, that my interpretation is almost never that accurate, so I wouldn't say I feel really that confident about anything.

Are there any other players you would consider at this point other than BR or Llama or not?

What about the argument that neither of them would be behave the way they are if they were bad?

Just trying to discuss it with you, to bounce ideas, because I'm not really sure myself.

Linki w/ Rox: Glad I'm not the only one picking up a different vibe with Snowy. I'm not totally sure what to make of it personally, but that one post just seemed insincere to me -- it wasn't even really the idea he proposed being a poor suspicion, just seemed like it was off to me, like he made it up.

I'm paranoid like that too, I get it. I thought you agreeing with me so much was alarming, but lately I seem to be warming up to you

All the people vouching for me took me by surprise too. There's MR that I talked to a little before deadline last day, so it could be that he felt good about me, but his vote today seemed a little off to me. He said Snow Dog felt fishy last day, and the vibe carries on to this day, and that's it. Sometimes, I find that baddies stick to that one person they found suspicious and stay with him to not look like they change their mind and go with the flow. So I wonder if that's the case here

Ambray wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote:[quote="birdwithteeth11"

So basically, we have 7 people who fall under the category of either joke or bandwagon votes: Made, Boogs, MP, DFaraday, llama, Snow Dog, and possibly, but much less likely, Ambray.

Not sure how my vote can be classed as a bandwagon when I was the first one to bring him up and vote for him.

Who is blooper that people keep talking about?

MP - in regards to llama, I don't really remember why there were votes on him from D1, so I will have to go back an re read what happened.

Alright I'm dropping my vote in am day for now. She doesn't I a me that well and this post rang insincere to me. I think she saw defending me albeit non commitally as a way to gain civvie free. Going with my gut!

Lol, that is classed as defending someone nowadays? Yikes!!

Lots of strong opinions - speaking in very black and white terms already - "Person A is civvie" "Person B is baddie" That's cricking my brow a bit. Nothing that makes me want to vote for anybody yet, but something to keep an eye on.

If anything I read Snowy pulling a "no u" on MP, not the other way round? Perhaps I need to re read that. However I'm not picking up any bad vibes from Snowy yet.

Oosh, I don't know who I'm voting for just yet, but it'll have to be soon.
I want to hear from Hedgeowl. Memorable to me from D1 but I haven't seen anything from them since.[/quote]
To me, saying someone is a civ or baddie doesn't mean you're sure about them, but rather it's your current perceptions. Don't see what's the big deal. For instance, MP strikes me as more civ, so I'd really rather see someone I'm not getting that vibe from get lynched rather than him


@linki: Seriously, they are married?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched.

It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, now it appears LC has voted for me and I do NOT want to die.

I don't want you to die either, because you seem civ to me. If we both vote for either llama or BR, who's more likely to get more votes?

MovingPictures07 wrote:FZ., what do you think of Snowy?

I don't know, I don't get a bad feeling about him, even though I don't agree with his theory regarding you.His "hopping" on day 1 felt legit to me, because it started out with teasing, but he only changed once, if I remember correctly, so that didn't worry me. His last sarcastic comment about not knowing that what he did is a baddie behaviour felt genuine. But I don't know him at all, so I can't really tell.

Long Con wrote:Don't really get FZ voting for me for something BR did, but maybe I need to re-read it. Going into work now, voting MP.

Lol, I'm sorry, I keep confusing you and BR. I meant it's between llama and BR, not you.

fingersplints wrote:So, it seems like BR is very busy, but that is two weird votes now.

Black Rock wrote:I voted for Llama for now, cause I feel bad for BWT.

Black Rock wrote:I'm going to drop a vote on Dom for now, no good reason except that I'm stirring the pot. I am also voting now because I am quite busy today and may miss the vote otherwise.

Rox, I know you expressed concern about her day 1 vote. How are you feeling about it now? I can't say it makes me feel great about her. I know she seems busy but it seems like there is a lot of stuff going on in the thread and could have found any reason to vote.

Oops, I made a mistake earlier when I thought it was LC that voted Dom, I meant BR. But the point stands. I didn't like her vote and her reasoning, nor the fact that she did it even though she knows this vote will probably be her final vote.
While I can get silly reasons for a day 1 vote, I can't accept them for day 2.
For me it's between LC and llama at this point

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote:[quote="birdwithteeth11"

So basically, we have 7 people who fall under the category of either joke or bandwagon votes: Made, Boogs, MP, DFaraday, llama, Snow Dog, and possibly, but much less likely, Ambray.

Not sure how my vote can be classed as a bandwagon when I was the first one to bring him up and vote for him.

Who is blooper that people keep talking about?

MP - in regards to llama, I don't really remember why there were votes on him from D1, so I will have to go back an re read what happened.

Alright I'm dropping my vote in am day for now. She doesn't I a me that well and this post rang insincere to me. I think she saw defending me albeit non commitally as a way to gain civvie free. Going with my gut![/quote]
You want to talk about insincere posts? Yours is a serious contender for that title.

Made wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Made wrote:

Made wrote:I would of voted Ninja, thought i am critical of FZ. In recent memory the earliest most compelling argument seems to be made by a baddie, (Ketterman in Misfits namely) but it's a strong point, and i'd be stupid to ignore it.

posted this before Ninja's role was announced, but after the vote ended. Didn't mean to leave my vote on MP. Personally, I would like to look critically at FZ, but other than that no pings atm.

also, Bandwagon/=/ Mafia. With that said, there's multiple ways to look at yesterday, but the way that makes the most sense to me is mafia faux baddie hunting. From my little experience as baddie, it seems- early on anyways- Mafia just sits back and doesn't manipulate crazy hard until they have to.

That said, there is always the chance that their hand was force and d1 we almost did find a baddie, based on votes, this would make Llama a likely baddie.

But Mafia hopping on a bloops bandwagon this early on just seems foolish unless they had an alternative reason.

The two parts of your post don't work together logically. If we almost caught a baddie, then I'm the one who would have been responsible for his lynch. As for Niju, I thought at the time that her reaction was fake because it had already been discussed in the thread, and I did plan to vote for her at that time, but when I came back to vote, I saw all the bandwagoning, and started looking elsewhere, and ended with voting llama. I'd like to know why you're choosing me of all people to look at.

I'm choosing you because an early strong sounding argument imo is possible baddie behavior in my book.


As for my argument, My point contradicts themselves because i'm weighing all options and factors i could think of against each other. I don't have enough faith in my suspicion to make an argument against you, but enough to start a dialogue
linki- My bad re:gender

And no, i'm just saying you're baddie hunting, What i'm trying to determine is if it's genuine. And Iunno who you're hiding, i'm just considering the possibility that you are.

Okay then. I actually get what you're saying about early good reasoning, though I still believe it was good reasoning. I like looking at people closely on the first day, because like I said before, they sometimes reveal themselves more than in later days.

I didn't like LC vote just now either. If you want to stir things up, and vote a temporary vote, go for it. But when you accompany it with a "I'm not sure I'll make it for deadline", it just seems like an excuse to vote something that requires no consequences. If you're not going to be here later, look better at those who have posted and decide who is acting like a baddie

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, why do you think FZ. is bad? How do you reconcile it with your theory based on your experience as a baddie (which is typically accurate, although it is hard to summarize different games with different players on the team)?

Snowy, I'm not saying I suspect you for those votes. I just am saying I'm not sure how to reconcile your behavior. You are in my "I have no idea about you right now" zone along with some others. And regarding whether I check if someone voted for me, yes I do, but I couldn't recall whether you actually voted me or not amid all the votes and moving and such. I'll take your word for it that you didn't, since I don't recall seeing it there.

Okay. Gone. Only reason I'm here is because this is way more fun than working. :P But I'll be back tonight, I think.

Assuming my theories correct, FZ would be a hypothetical strong arm baddie similar to Ketterman or SVS in Misfits. FZ works to hide a quieter teammate by sucking all the air out of the room, but in a way that polarizes him, allowing him to survive for a while in a fashion similar to how i survived in Monty Python. FZ also could be a Llama in Monty Python, so iunno. Just want to make sure his name is on the table at this point.

I'm female, and I have no idea what you just said (and no, the two parts don't have a causal relationship ). Are you saying I am taking over the thread? Also, who am I supposedly hiding?

Trying agin

Mister Rearranger wrote:Blooper is the name of the squid monster in Mario games (aka: Nij's user icon).

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
So basically, we have 7 people who fall under the category of either joke or bandwagon votes: Made, Boogs, MP, DFaraday, llama, Snow Dog, and possibly, but much less likely, Ambray.

It seems like possible baddie manipulation may play a part into it as well, since the votes were spread out enough. So that might be another thing to look into as well.

Llama's flippance seems like a common thing to me. I don't see his chaotic/jokey voting as unusual, nor is it indicative of good or bad alignment. He's worth looking into, for sure. But I feel like he often makes for an easy bandwagon target because of his eccentricities.

I continue to feel the way I felt about Snowie's vote, even after he apparently changed it. That's the impasse I'm at for now.

Why? This just seems like a way to keep a suspicion going without having to explain anything

Mister Rearranger wrote:Blooper is the name of the squid monster in Mario games (aka: Nij's user icon).

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
So basically, we have 7 people who fall under the category of either joke or bandwagon votes: Made, Boogs, MP, DFaraday, llama, Snow Dog, and possibly, but much less likely, Ambray.

It seems like possible baddie manipulation may play a part into it as well, since the votes were spread out enough. So that might be another thing to look into as well.

Llama's flippance seems like a common thing to me. I don't see his chaotic/jokey voting as unusual, nor is it indicative of good or bad alignment. He's worth looking into, for sure. But I feel like he often makes for an easy bandwagon target because of his eccentricities.

I continue to feel the way I felt about Snowie's vote, even after he apparently changed it. That's the impasse I'm at for now.[/quote]Why? This just seems like a way to keep an idea going without explaining anything

Made wrote:

Made wrote:I would of voted Ninja, thought i am critical of FZ. In recent memory the earliest most compelling argument seems to be made by a baddie, (Ketterman in Misfits namely) but it's a strong point, and i'd be stupid to ignore it.

posted this before Ninja's role was announced, but after the vote ended. Didn't mean to leave my vote on MP. Personally, I would like to look critically at FZ, but other than that no pings atm.

also, Bandwagon/=/ Mafia. With that said, there's multiple ways to look at yesterday, but the way that makes the most sense to me is mafia faux baddie hunting. From my little experience as baddie, it seems- early on anyways- Mafia just sits back and doesn't manipulate crazy hard until they have to.

That said, there is always the chance that their hand was force and d1 we almost did find a baddie, based on votes, this would make Llama a likely baddie.

But Mafia hopping on a bloops bandwagon this early on just seems foolish unless they had an alternative reason.

The two parts of your post don't work together logically. If we almost caught a baddie, then I'm the one who would have been responsible for his lynch. As for Niju, I thought at the time that her reaction was fake because it had already been discussed in the thread, and I did plan to vote for her at that time, but when I came back to vote, I saw all the bandwagoning, and started looking elsewhere, and ended with voting llama. I'd like to know why you're choosing me of all people to look at.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. So I am now finally caught up. And here's what I have so far.

-Ninja took quite a bit of flak for her post where she questioned why so many people were voting early on Day 1. And from what I gathered, llama got heat for seeming to be jumping on an "easy case". But I thought a lot of people seemed way too eager to vote for ninja, even with it being Day 1 and all. So I will be taking a good look at everyone who voted for her and got her lynched.

- Sabie and LC voted for me because I hadn't shown up. After I did show up, both of them continued to leave their votes on me. I remember sabie actively stating she was leaving her vote on me for missing the Day 0 poll. Honestly, if that's the only poll I miss, that doesn't mean anything at all. I've just been really busy this week and only had enough time/energy to check in once. I do find it odd that LC said he'd leave his vote on me because he "didn't feel the need" with Ninja ahead of me in the votes. But I'm more likely to give him a pass on it than sabie.

Yeah, that's all I've got so far.

What about Made and Boogs that voted for me basically for no reason whatsoever? And all of the llama voters?

You think you should look ONLY at the Ninja voters nonetheless?

See, here's the logical fallacy we always run into as players. Consider this:

Llama is civ. (I'm not saying he is, I have no idea, this is just a scenario). Let's switch the number of votes that struck Llama and Blooper yesterday. Llama gets flipped. Then who would everyone be looking at? Llama's voters. Even though there were plenty of players who voted each, and each were civ, the players who get exclusively eyeballed by the masses are the voters of the lynchee, even though it's possible baddies voted for either player.

That's the problem I always have with looking solely at the "______ voters" for each lynch. Yes, they should be considered, but I think others should get the and be forced to disclose their intentions as well. Because we honestly have no idea what the baddies did last lynch: whether they bandwagoned onto Blooper, bandwagoned onto Llama, or threw off onto me or you or someone else.

I agree with this. I think that at the first day, the baddies don't want to look bandwagoning, especially if the person they vote for gets lynched. So if llama is a civ too (which at this point, I don't think is true, but we'll see), then I think that we need to look for baddies in the first few voters for each person. Baddies like to look like they have their own agenda, and like their building their own case.

Glad no one died. And I wonder what the race results mean. I will barely be here today also, since I'm not around on Fridays.

I still feel like llama isn't contributing anything to the game, no matter how merry he is

Roxy wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Roxy wrote:RIP Nij! I did have a feeling that llama and Nij were both civ. Day 1's can be so tough.

Thanks for the confidence FZ. And MP.
I am returning the favor to FZ this time.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! <3

Linky splints - htywilyhyhagd!! <3

If you're really a civ, I'd rather you vote for yourself. If you aren't, leave it on me

I am not sure I get your logic but I will change my vote.

If you're a civ like you seem to me, and if it's a good thing like I hope it is, I don't want a baddie getting it, so you voting me and me voting you, won't help you get more votes.

fingersplints wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Roxy wrote:RIP Nij! I did have a feeling that llama and Nij were both civ. Day 1's can be so tough.

Thanks for the confidence FZ. And MP.
I am returning the favor to FZ this time.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! <3

Linky splints - htywilyhyhagd!! <3

If you're really a civ, I'd rather you vote for yourself. If you aren't, leave it on me

So you are saying if she is a baddie then voting you is a good option?

If it's something good, I'd rather she gave it to me then to her if she's bad

DFaraday wrote:Is there any particular reason people think Roxy is civ?

At the end of the day, I felt like she genuinely was trying not to lynch a civ, but I could be wrong

Roxy wrote:RIP Nij! I did have a feeling that llama and Nij were both civ. Day 1's can be so tough.

Thanks for the confidence FZ. And MP.
I am returning the favor to FZ this time.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! <3

Linky splints - htywilyhyhagd!! <3

If you're really a civ, I'd rather you vote for yourself. If you aren't, leave it on me

Bummer. RIP Niju.

I feel like Roxy is someone I feel relatively good about, so if it's something that is supposed to benefit the person chosen, I'll probably vote for her

Also interesting is the fact that after llama got his third vote from Black Rock, ninju received all her votes. While I can see 1-2 being genuine, the fact that all votes went to the same person makes me think someone is trying to protect llama.
I'm going with llama

I have to go to sleep. I think that if niju was a baddie, one of her team would make sure to vote llama since she's the closest to being lynched. So I think she's a civ. Question is, is llama one? Is it a civ vs. a civ, or is llama a baddie?

Roxy wrote:LC's vote still on Teeth - which felt off when he made it - is what I keep coming back to.

What was his reasoning?

And what's up with Simon and Hedge?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

FZ. wrote: I get the vote for Snow Dog, though I think that if both ninju and llama are civs, and Snow Dog a baddie, then he would probably not want to look bad when they come out civ, so I assume he'd let someone else be the one to decide between them and try to stay out of the line of fire (not necessarily but likely).
As for Kate, I think that even though MP was the second to vote for ninju, he was the fourth to voice suspicions.

Ok, thank you for clarifying! I'm in a bit of a rush so I was wondering if I missed some of that suspicion (I obviously then saw that you'd brought up Nij's name too, so yeah at least 3rd).

I see the rationale in your thought process re:Snow too. Perhaps he genuinely believes he's jumping on a wagon to catch a baddie (Nij), idk. But if he does, it doesn't rule out the possibility of him being from just one faction of the baddies.

I do feel like Llama is more of an enigma to me than most players. Niji semi-fooled me last game too.

It doesn't rule him out from being a baddie on another team, but I think he'd want to be more careful because he's the first to look at (for bandwagoning), if she flips civvie).

Roxy wrote:Well she (splints) did she was not leaving it there and would be back to vote later.

Oh. I'm stuck. Even though I don't feel great about either llama or Ninju, I don't feel comfortable voting either, so I need to decide and I really need to go to bed

I kind of feel like voting for Splints, though I don't want to waste a vote. Anyone wants to join me?

What do you make of Splints reason for voting Roxy, and her leaving it there and not coming back to do something with it?

Mister Rearranger wrote:Voting Snow Dog.

I get the vibe that this Niji or Llama choice would be civ or civ. I want to hear from Kate too.

The playfulness of Snow's post above strikes me as off, if that makes any sense.

Linkidueto timeouts: Both haha. See above. Kate's was more of a serious question because I did a quick readthrough, but I don't understand if her comment was hyperbole or not.

I get the vote for Snow Dog, though I think that if both ninju and llama are civs, and Snow Dog a baddie, then he would probably not want to look bad when they come out civ, so I assume he'd let someone else be the one to decide between them and try to stay out of the line of fire (not necessarily but likely).
As for Kate, I think that even though MP was the second to vote for ninju, he was the fourth to voice suspicions.

MR, so what are you saying? Do you think Kate is suspicious, or do you think Snow Dog is, or both?

I was wondering about Snow Dog. He (is it a "he" or a she"?) kept joking that he might vote MP, then vote llama, but ended up voting ninju. While the former were with a sarcastic tone, the latter did not really send a genuine vibe.