The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:Right here FZ.

Turnip Head wrote:You are wise to assume Mata is bad. Her allegiance should be quite clear to everyone who is paying attention.

She voted for you early again FZ, this time without even saying anything. She said she would not defend herself anymore (lol) but she said she would still try to help catch Kira. Yeah right. But I think she voted for you silently in order to not tip anyone off as to whether or not you're on the team with her. I think she's afraid her words will be analyzed and dissected, and that they won't get to put their baddie plans into motion if we figure out her motives. I put forth the plan to lynch you today, and Mata jumped on board with no hesitation. I do not think you are on her team, I think you are an unlynchable detective, but I also fear that we won't be able to get any further in this game until Epi and Llama realize that they're wrong about you. As you can see, people are apparently incapable of discussing anything else.

As for my top two suspects, they are Bass and Rico. I think Bass is Mikami. He is acting like an outsider baddie who is clueless as to what his team's plans are. That's why he's picking easy suspects and making easy votes, it's why he's having trouble coming up with genuine suspicions.

I think Rico is either Misa or Rem, the problem is I don't think I can currently do anything about it.

Oops, sorry I missed it. Thanks.

Which of the roles is lynchable at this point? I've lost count.
Why not just vote for Bass then. Forget llama and Epi. Though lynching me early is better than lynching me late.

And TH, didn't you say you'd tell me yours if I told you mine?

Turnip Head wrote:None.

How about from voting early?

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Voted for Bass. Aside from all the points I've already put forward about him, he does not seem interested in addressing those points seriously, or pursuing actual suspects.

DH, what do you really think of Epi's case on me? Apart from my FU, don't you think his case is a good one?

If I thought his case was any good I would have voted for you, wouldn't I?

Or you think I am bad and want to keep me around :P
What I'm asking is, what about it do you think is wrong, and do you believe he honestly believes I'm bad, or are his intentions nefarious?

DharmaHelper wrote:Voted for Bass. Aside from all the points I've already put forward about him, he does not seem interested in addressing those points seriously, or pursuing actual suspects.

DH, what do you really think of Epi's case on me? Apart from my FU, don't you think his case is a good one?

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:So much discussion has taken place while I was gone, it's inspiring. Should I have used the orange?

Okay, just so I know, aside from me, who are people's top 2 suspects?

I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.

And I know FZ. It's ridiculous. Nobody wants to talk about suspects, they want to sit back and follow the lead and hope that victory comes to them.

Out of the people who haven't been lynched yet (I mean attempted lynches), Bass is obviously a big concern, and I think it wasn't a coincidence he didn't vote for Mata, and I'm still worried about BR, although at times she strikes me as genuine. Still. she's nothing like the BR I've gotten used to seeing.
Also, if I assume Mata is bad, like I do, and she's defended me against Epi saying his later "case" on me seemed manipulative, it reminds me of how BR is acting, saying she's suspicious of Epi. While I know I'm a civvie and at times I don't get why Epi won't even consider I might be telling the truth (which every once in a while make me think maybe he has an agenda), they don't know I am a civ, and his reasons maybe the best out there for lynching a player. I don't think they are being genuine in their suspicion of him. This may include SD as well, though she came off more genuine, so I don't know


linki: What does it mean 11 secret votes unused?

So much discussion has taken place while I was gone, it's inspiring. Should I have used the orange?

Okay, just so I know, aside from me, who are people's top 2 suspects?

I can't be here today either. I'll only be back tomorrow evening.
I'm fine with lynching me. I'm sick of the know it alls. I'm going to be very smug when the next day comes, just so you know, not to mention when you all are really going to learn my role.
I've done nothing but defend myself with everything I can. No, I haven't followed all the secrets and roles because for someone who doesn't give shit about the theme, it's too complicated for me to follow. Maybe it makes me a bad detective, but it doesn't make me bad. If you want to follow the oh so intelligent, go ahead. I'm done fighting.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epi has been trying to convince us all game that other than Hugachi, Yotsubas are good, hinting that he's not the former, and telling us the best thing is to pass the DN to the Yotsubas who don't need the detectives dead in order to win. But at this moment, we don'g know who Hugachi is, and if he gets the DN, those who are at the highest risk of getting NK by him, are other Yotsubas. Epi wouldn't allow himself to be this in that predicament. You'd think he'd try and figure out who Hugachi is, so when he gets the DN, the Yotsubas know who to vote for during the night.
So the fact he says it's Light's turn means either: a. He isn't a Yotsuba, or b. is Hugachi and wants to get the note

Why would I hint that I'm Higuchi? Do people not know what hinting is? I'm claiming I'm not Higuchi.

What else can happen to the Death Note? It goes in the trash?

I would so. You don't know me.

What makes you think I haven't been doing that?

You still haven't read all the roles, "detective."

No wonder you don't like logic.

First of all, I had a real hard time reading these colours.

Second, yeah, concluding that a detective must read all the roles, while baddies don't, is supreme logic. You're the master of logic. I can see why you like it so much.

Third, The DN ending in the hands of Hugachi doesn't look any better to me than it staying with Light, but maybe I missed something. I'm claiming that you wouldn't risk putting yourself in the position of a NK as you've put yourself as the spokesman of all Yotsubas. Who would Hugachi want to NK the first thing he gets the DN? You. I don't know you, but you don't know me either, yet you keep making assumptions on how I'm supposed to play.

Fourth, if you know who hugachy is, why don't you enlighten us?

Epi has been trying to convince us all game that other than Hugachi, Yotsubas are good, hinting that he's not the former, and telling us the best thing is to pass the DN to the Yotsubas who don't need the detectives dead in order to win. But at this moment, we don'g know who Hugachi is, and if he gets the DN, those who are at the highest risk of getting NK by him, are other Yotsubas. Epi wouldn't allow himself to be this in that predicament. You'd think he'd try and figure out who Hugachi is, so when he gets the DN, the Yotsubas know who to vote for during the night.
So the fact he says it's Light's turn means either: a. He isn't a Yotsuba, or b. is Hugachi and wants to get the note

And now I'm really off to bed. Just wondering about these things

Also, if you're a Kira targeting Russ for example, or any other player you think might risk you, why wait until sometime during the day, and risk them saying something that might put you in the spotlight?

Turnip Head wrote:FZ, we have gotten the "No one has been killed by Kira" message every Day that hasn't started with an immediate kill. It's happened almost every time. It's not a new occurrence.

I know, I'm just trying to figure out if it's possible we've had more than one Kira active, if that's even possible. What's the point in saying no one has been killed, if it's going to happen at any time? Also, if so many players are unlynchable or killable at night, targeting some of them during the night seems like an inevitable thing, yet we get a kill every day?

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:What I'm trying to ask is, if there's a kill later on, can we assume one kill failed and another has succeeded, or does the "no one was killed by a Kira" just for the sake of a headline when the day starts (and that kill will show up later whenever the Kira decides to place it)?


I'll read the answer in the morning, because I'm going to bed


linki: Yes, why?

I think we've already established this a few times (Once when I figured it out days ago and once again now that the secrets have been revealed)

I can't keep up. Can you enlighten me?

What I'm trying to ask is, if there's a kill later on, can we assume one kill failed and another has succeeded, or does the "no one was killed by a Kira" just for the sake of a headline when the day starts (and that kill will show up later whenever the Kira decides to place it)?


I'll read the answer in the morning, because I'm going to bed


linki: Yes, why?

MP, when you say "no one has been killed by Kira", does that mean that there is no kill? Or can it also mean that the kill will come later?

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:"Hinted."

I thought I read that she hinted that.

Well, if that's hinting, then I'm going to hint that I'm currently drinking beer.

Hey, I'm currently drinking beer.

FYI, I cleared it with MP before.

Mata, why haven't you answered any of my questions?

Matahari wrote:

zeek wrote:

Matahari wrote:I just want to say thank you to Ukita. I'm not sure which of us you were trying to pardon, but I'll take it

What a load of shit this is. Least its original I guess.

How fast can you shovel? And we both know its the most unoriginal thing to say, ever, but I always like to get a laugh, (thanks DH)

I am not FZ. If she is a civ, which I still can't make up my mind about, she has defended well. Its hard to defend anything that is just the way one person interprets your actions. If she is bad, she has defended for her team's sake.

I don't try as hard when someone starts building cases against me based on how they interpret my input, because how can I convince someone that their thoughts are wrong? Or are they baddies who are using that kind of case against me, because they know its hard to defend against.

I can say I have no idea what happened yesterday, but it feels like I was set-up. If I am lynched again tomorrow, I would die, and then you'll see I am a detective. The only way my voters will accept that is to do it.

I won't be doing the hard defending against the cases made on me because there is no way I can. I think most voters were misguided, except TH who has some agenda going on. Indy, shinigami, I don't know.

I think that's obvious :P

I have 3 questions:
1. You say everyone but TH is misguided. So out of all the people voting for you, he's the only one bad? Where do all the other baddies lie? In those who voted for me? You voted for me.
2. How can I you say I'm misguided and still vote for me? If you think I defended myself well, why did you vote for me?
3. Why did you vote so early, unlike all your votes in previous days?

It's pretty obvious Ukita did not stop this lynch, and that alone should tell us Mata is a sure baddie. Of the unlynchable people, she's the one who's definitely not good. I don't know what it means in terms of lynching her, but if it's possible, we should do it whenever we can.

As for MM and TH, if I had to choose someone to trust more, it would be TH. He's either Sidoh, who's chosen to work on the detectives' side, or he's a detective himself. MM doesn't seem to care one way or another. He's voting without any consideration of what's good for the civvies.

I can't answer. It's up to Boomslang. I'm going to bed. Goodnight

4?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 7:
How many Kiras are currently alive?

Ooh, I hoped one Kira somehow killed one of the Kira supporters. Does the question include them?

Epignosis wrote:I am unable to do the Roger Rabbit post right now because of reasons. Just want to chime in here:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Where did her boo suspicion go? Where did her llama suspicion go? B-A-D-D-I-E

My Boo suspicion was in the Fing post you quoted. If you are so sure then bloody well lynch me and be done with it. I could explain myself, but not to you, you don't care what I say anyways.

You said you don't trust boo, but you voted Epi. Why is that?

Cause for days I have been reading Epig say vote FZ, vote FZ. I don't think she's bad and I think it's obvious she isn't. So I think he is and wants her lynched for a reason. I believe he does know something more and I believe it's in HIS best interest to lynch FZ. I do not think it's the rest of ours best interest at this point. Therefore he must be bad.

Logic folks. I need someone who (according to her own claim) can't be lynched lynched to win. Guess I'm screwed.

You are going to learn a very important lesson, son. Logic is not all it's cracked up to be :P

Any idea what to answer? I need to go to bed and I haven't answered yet

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

You're enjoying this, aren't you?


linki: Why do you think it's obvious I'm not bad, BR?

Although earlier in the game I thought you were possibly bad your posts as of late read desperate civvie. Especially this past days posts. You do not sound like a baddie trying to claw your way out of a hole. You sound like a very tired civ.

Fair enough. And what do you think about Mata? Especially now that she wasn't lynched?

linki: Get out of my head DH

Ricochet wrote:
Unless there is something not yet revealed, i doubt Sidoh would kill on his own.

Okay, thanks

DharmaHelper wrote:Does anyone else find Bass's answer to my question to be complete bullshit.

Yes

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

MM, can you help a brotha out here?

Are you bad?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

You're enjoying this, aren't you?


linki: Why do you think it's obvious I'm not bad, BR?

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.

I don't know how to explain better than that.

If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?

"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.

I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?

Mello can't find the DN before the BTSC before he the one searching for it. Sidoh is!

I get that, duh. I mean if SIdoh finds the DN before the BTSC, does it change anything? Do they both kill or only Mello when they have BTSC? What I'm trying to figure out is, do we need to fear Sidoh or not?

BR, why did you basically waste a vote?

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.

I don't know how to explain better than that.

If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?

"If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives."

Read this and let me know if it's still unclear.

I've read it. Maybe it's the fact that it's almost 2 am here, but it still doesn't answer what happens if he finds the DN before the BTSC. Or is it the same thing? Is my question that hard to understand?

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?

I'm going to yank my hair out.

Fortunately I have other things I have to do right now.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? I think I've tried to prevent unlynchable votes the entire game. And no, I didn't think MM was unlynchable. Not as clever as you, obviously


linki: Bass, not necessarily, but he wasn't going to be lynched no matter what, so it was a wasted vote either way

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:
linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.

I don't know how to explain better than that.

If they gain BTSC Mello can become the civ ninja, right? If Sidoh finds the note before, it doesn't apply?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.

The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

What about the detectives? There are still roles that haven't been completely revealed

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.


Bass, why did you vote for TH?

Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

But it didn't seem like he was lynchable. Why waste a vote?

If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.


Bass, why did you vote for TH?

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.

Matahari escaped this lynch, in case you were wondering.

I am aware of that.

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.

Sure, I'll join you if you're so desperate. I'm not enjoying playing with you either :P


Rico, what's the difference?

You wound me, FZ. I have said before that you are one of my favorite people to play with, and I stand by that. I love playing mafia with you. But does that mean I should keep you alive when I think you are bad?

Just ignore me. Frustration is getting the best of me. I enjoy playing with you too. Especially when you're tunnel vision is not aimed at me


linki: I still don't get the difference between Mello finding Sidoh, and the opposite in terms of consequences.

linki: Apparently llama and Epi can't both be smart, so decide who is smarter and is it 6 or 4

linki: screw linkis

Why don't one of the really clever people tell me what to answer?

MovingPictures07 wrote:FZ., that is correct, that is the note book that Sidoh is looking for.

Mello is a Detective, so if that's what you mean by "good", then sure.

As to Sidoh, he is an Independent, so...

This is confusing. I thought that once they gained BTSC it means that Sidoh will help the detectives. I guess I don't understand anything

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.

Sure, I'll join you if you're so desperate. I'm not enjoying playing with you either :P


Rico, what's the difference?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Three.

Correct.

The three Death Notes that can possibly enter into circulation are as follows: (1) Sidoh's notebook, which was stolen by Ryuk and given to Light before the start of the game, (2) Jelus's notebook, which was acquired by Rem and given to Misa at the start of Day 3, and (3) Rem's notebook, which will enter circulation if she decides to use her insta-kill.

You may not answer any more questions. A new question is forthcoming.

I still don't understand whether Sidoh's note is supposed to be used for good or bad?

It is used by Light.

So that's the one Sidoh is looking for, and if he finds Mello this is what is supposed to happen, right?

Mello – One of two possible individuals being groomed to be the successor to L in case of disaster, Mello is always considered to be #2 to Near, a position he resents greatly. His intelligence is also high, but sometimes he lets his emotions get the best of him. If L dies, Mello forfeits the successor position to Near, and joins the mafia. He intends on catching Kira before Near does and will do anything to stop Near from getting ahead. Mello cannot be lynched unless L is dead; until that time, he cannot use any role ability. Because of his anonymous existence, he cannot be night killed by Kira unless Kira first knows his role. He cannot win alongside his fellow Detectives if Near ends the game. Consequently, he may role block Near once to stop him from achieving this. He kidnaps one player every night; for the subsequent day/night cycle, that player cannot participate in the game whatsoever, including posting, voting, role power, and any BTSC. If he kidnaps Kiyomi Takada and the active Kira does not kill her within the subsequent cycle, Mello uncovers which half of the currently living players cannot be the active Kira. If he gains BTSC with Sidoh and Sidoh has not yet found his Death Note, Mello searches every night to help him find it. Assuming Mello and Sidoh share BTSC, once Sidoh has his Death Note, Mello becomes a civ ninja, able to kill a player every night or abstain if he wishes. If he kills the active Kira this way, the game will end and he wins with his fellow Detectives. ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~ ~~ ~~~~, ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~, ~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~, ~~~~~~ ~ ~~ ~~~~. ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~, ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~, ~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~, ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~. ~~~~~~~, ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~ (~~~~ ~~~~~). ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~~. ~~ ~~~~~~~~, ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~'~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~, ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~.


Doesn't this mean Mello and Sidoh work together for the good?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Three.

Correct.

The three Death Notes that can possibly enter into circulation are as follows: (1) Sidoh's notebook, which was stolen by Ryuk and given to Light before the start of the game, (2) Jelus's notebook, which was acquired by Rem and given to Misa at the start of Day 3, and (3) Rem's notebook, which will enter circulation if she decides to use her insta-kill.

You may not answer any more questions. A new question is forthcoming.

I still don't understand whether Sidoh's note is supposed to be used for good or bad?

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:What the hell? All I can make of this is that someone's vote was worth a lot more and I ended up being the lynched one

Sockface wrote down Matahari's name in the Lynch Note. He waited. 40... 39...

Is that really what you make of this?

Where are you quoting this from?
In any case, I just went to look at the roles. I don't see a way I could be right about what I said, so I guess she's another unlynchable role.

MP, is there a point to the lynches? :P

What the hell? All I can make of this is that someone's vote was worth a lot more and I ended up being the lynched one

Ricochet wrote:In that case, sorry FZ., but I think I'll still go with Russ' potential good check on you and consider that the answer to my third option question is yes: he would have voted for you even if (realised that) he got a role that could turn unlynchable due to lynch pressure. I think this is the best interpretation I can give right now, even if your claims are opposite.

Okay then. If Mata is the one lynched, and she comes out bad, I'll be looking at you closely

FZ. wrote:4 people haven't voted yet:
llama, Zeek, Rico and Bass.
I say at least one of them is bad. Bass is the natural option.
I also have to wonder why BR took the easy way out. If she really thinks both me and Mata are civvies, I'd get it, but she hasn't really stated that she feels that strongly about either of us, so I have to say I'm pinged by that vote.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Hi FZ, I'm here. I've been following along. I was sick on Monday and busy yesterday and got distracted by the other game.

I don't think FZ is bad. I've been sitting on the fence trying to decide if I believe FZ or Epig. I believe FZ now. I don't think Epig is a detective and I don't believe he's even trying to pretend to be good. Is he a Kira? Maybe? I am going to vote Epig today. He's the one I feel the most strongly of right now.

I have been back and forth with Boo all game. Right now I don't trust him.

I'm taking my 5 year old out for a special dinner now, I'll be back later and I'll put some real time into this game tonight. I'm voting now though.

KNEW IT

Just after my post, see?

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:4 people haven't voted yet:
llama, Zeek, Rico and Bass.
I say at least one of them is bad. Bass is the natural option.
I also have to wonder why BR took the easy way out. If she really thinks both me and Mata are civvies, I'd get it, but she hasn't really stated that she feels that strongly about either of us, so I have to say I'm pinged by that vote.

Wait, at least one of those who haven't voted yet could be bad, but Bass is your natural option? What happened to Llama? Didn't you make a case for his lynch just the other Day? Did you question people to consider him for the lynch just the other Day?

I'm back and forth with llama. One minute I think he's bad, then the next, I think he's misguided and has tunnel vision. Can't decide

DH, why did you wait for me to say I'm pinged by BR's vote to say it yourself?

Ricochet wrote:FZ., if I would have had more time than 30 minutes, I would have gone back extensively to your supposedly "insinuative" post.

You say that if Russ would have role checked and got a baddie role, his vote would have depended on whether that role could be lynched or not.

You say that if he got an unlynchable role, he'd have suggested perhaps he thinks you're bad, but he wouldn't have voted for you. (I can agree to this, btw)
You say that the only way he would have voted for you was if he actually got a "baddie role that can be lynched". (I can totally agree with this, btw)

That's two clear, opposite options.

But I think I asked you about a third option: if Russ would have voted you, if he actually got a baddie role that can in theory be lynched, but might turn into an unlynchable role under lynch pressure, namely Light or Misa.

You decided not to answer to this, saying you've said everything there is to say (or maybe you decided not to answer to another question of mine, because I can agree my posts was mixed with questionings, so idk).

Could still give me a quick view on this third option?

Sorry, I missed your question. Wasn't intentional.
At the risk of drawing even more of Epi's wrath :P , I'll say that all this who gets what note and what kill is going over my head. I was going per day. My assumptions were that if Russ found got a role that wasn't lynchable at that moment, he wouldn't have voted so fast without a tiny "but". He did do a 180, so it seems as though it was obvious to him that now is the time to lynch me

4 people haven't voted yet:
llama, Zeek, Rico and Bass.
I say at least one of them is bad. Bass is the natural option.
I also have to wonder why BR took the easy way out. If she really thinks both me and Mata are civvies, I'd get it, but she hasn't really stated that she feels that strongly about either of us, so I have to say I'm pinged by that vote.