The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I will also vote Dream. Sorry for the shit play the last couple phases.

Why are you voting her?

So everyone has voted for Dream but LC and Dream...and me.
If she's bad, who is bad with her?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I kinda wish llama would come in and talk more. I know he doesn't have to defend himself at all, but he really hasn't said much since his resurrection.

He said the right person to lynch is Dream. Not sure if it implies anything

Turnip Head wrote:Bass has been pretty quiet since then, so it's tough to get a read on him. I was feeling much better about Bass 2.0 than Bass OG though, when he was talking.

I was too, but I realize now it's mostly because of what he said about Roxy

Ahhhhh, so much to read. I'm caught up but confused.

What if Bass is bad, and realized that Roxy was CC. He defends her so she doesn't kill him. Then, when she's dead, he comes out and says what she was because it makes him look more trust worthy. Why did we all back off him?

SVS, this really isn't your week. I'm so sorry to hear about your brother, but thank god he's all right. Like others before me, I hope the bad streak stops and only good for you from now on.

timmer wrote:
That's exactly what I was getting at. I remember thinking that Grodd would need a higher movement rate to map-based kill, but I didn't even say it. For Timmer to assume I'm not Grodd just because I move one square at a time is a stretch.
So you and I thought the exact same thought but I tried to put it to use, and I'm bad for it. You know what, I've never been put under This level of constant scrutiny before, where literally everything I say is spun only in one, negative direction. You guys want me to be bad really badly, but I'm going to have to disappoint you. But this constant gang-up is exhausting and I'm sorry to say I'm done. Go ahead and vote me out. You'll see you were wrong at game's end. Between curse where people have to say my name and other curses whet people can't make cases on me, someone out there kind of made this personal and I'm done with it.

I felt the same way on death note mafia. So much so, that out of my frustration I let too much slip out, and I ended up getting NK not long after. Don't let it get to you. If you're really not on the bad side, you just get to tell everyone later how stupid they were. Besides, I don't see that many votes going on you.

Now, who do you think could be trying to frame you? You keep going back and forth on SVS. What's your current assessment of her?

Any idea where Bass disappeared to?
There was someone who said Dream seemed okay to them. Anyone remember who that was?

Cool!
@HOST does the story mean that other than llama, no one tried to kill tonight?

So if this Plunder dies, he has to gamble on who he wants to appear as?

Do the new rogues have an ability to check dead players?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I completely forgot that Spacedaisy voted for MP too, after he self-voted. I'll count Sophie out since llama vouched for her. How often does it happen that we lynch a player who asks to be lynched, and they turn up bad?

And another question for you TH that I don't know if you've answered. What do you think timmer is aside from not New Rogue? I do think it is clear that he is not a Detective, so we've narrowed it down a little.

And I semi-apologize for hounding you. I'm making up for a week of not being able to mafia.

Linki: my curse was quite similar to BR's so I got the feeling that she was being honest.

What if she was the one who forced you, so she'd know exactly what to say? Not saying it's what happened, I just don't get how you're ruling it out

I kept defending TImmer too. From my point of view, I can totally see why he would do it if he believed he was good. MP didn't want Timmer gone either, so there's another person for you.

There are so many things people are taking for granted. For example, why doesn't anyone even consider that BR fabricated being cursed. If you look at all other curses and mind controls, hers seems too easy. She just had to fabricate a case on someone. Knowing that people talked about their curses or mind controls, that just seems silly to do if it didn't get that person lynched.

On the other hand, if there is one good mind control for baddies, it's to tell someone to build a case on someone else. All others are just pointless, no matter how fun. So why the hell did the person coming up with those waste all that time?

Black Rock wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote: I do think it is a bit more than is the norm for YOU, not me, though, TH.
I wouldn't say that's true. I defend people when I feel good about them and I think they're being wrongly accused. At this point I don't even know what Timmer is being accused of, except mind control by BR and of not being helpful in a retroactive case by MM. I've laid out some reasons why I feel good about Timmer. You should reread me , I think you missed the part where I had real-time interaction with Timmer during the Bass lynch in square chat. That is definitely influencing my opinion of him.

And I agree with FZ's BTSC breakdown too, lol.

linki: Interesting list BR Why am I at the top of it?

Because the mind control is well thought out and clever.

So I'm only the third clever one in that group?

Seriously though, how do we know none of the cursed was doing it to themselves?

What a waste of a day

I guess a lot of us are to blame for this.

S~V~S wrote:For whomever asked yesterday about my thoughts on Sophie, it was TH I believe, I had some very distinct thoughts on her. She felt floundery but civ, based on both things in and out of thread. But her vote yesterday was disturbing to me. Which is why I asked her that question ^^ (Note to self: Sherry, learn to think before hitting "Submit", you may have more to say) because I would have expected her to have done something different on a short read of the thread.

And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

You can craft an amazing post that takes you weeks to write, but if it says what yours did, it would be wrong, and that is the salient point as far as I am concerned. I can do a point by point for you later (overslept this AM, only tiny online time before work, and now that I am driving again, no bus leisure time, either, anymore)

I am assuming Bass was silenced yesterday since I know he was on site and did not post here. I look forward to hearing his take on this lynch. TH is defending Timmer verging on Cap't Obvious territory, which gives me some pause. Don't know why he would do such a thing while bad, but based on my worldview of this game, can't see how else that would work. I have detectives in mind, I have a CC/HW in mind. so... urh.

They can't be CC and HW because that would mean they'd know Roxy wasn't CC and would therefore go after Bass with no hesitation. If they are detectives, I assume llama would know something about it, unless there is no BTSC whatsoever.
So either they're bad, or TH thought, like me, that Timmer was being framed. I'm just not sure any more.

If Timmer and TH are bad together, I'm going to scream. Let the best man win, and I really mean that.

linki: I'm sorry about everything. I shouldn't have let things get to me. But I swear, I don't see how differently I would play doing it your way. In a way, I think I'm doing it anyway.

What happened to moving the votes off of MP? Sorry, I had to leave and couldn't be here for the deadline.

I have to go. I'll be back after the day ends. I don't mind if people move their votes from MP, as long as they move it from Timmer as well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I also don't want to make this game NOT fun or less fun for everyone else. Hence, if the majority of players in this game are lynching and suspecting based on a totally different understanding than I am, and I am impeding those players' fun by going on about my nonsense, then due to reason 1) above, I don't see why I should continue playing.

But I'm a SEVERE mafia addict, so I always incredibly resist lynching myself, especially when it so insanely directly contradicts my win condition.
There's a solution - you adapt to the game you are playing and formulate a strategy to win within those conditions. Can you adapt, MP? BR and I adapted in the Monopoly game, we had many long discussions on how to go about winning, and it was not at all the kind of game we were used to playing.
Fuck yes. If you're in, vote Soneji.

I don't mind voting him, but I have a feeling he's probably independent, thereby lynching him doesn't help anyone

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:timmer doesn't deserve to get lynched right now just because he's the "alternative" to me. He could be any alignment for all I know, but I don't see why he should be lynched over practically most everyone else right now. Hence, I need to die.

Apparently, I failed spectacularly at my win condition. I've accepted my fate. It's OK.

FZ., just ignore me then. I clearly said I don't trust you at all. And keep denying it. Repeat after me. "Civilians exist. Civilians exist..."
Stop it, come on
Let's say you're right, but I'm still an old rouge, what do you expect me to do other than what I am already. That's what I still don't understand. My only option at winning is if I find all the new rouges and eliminate them.
Say I'm a new Rogue, my only chance at winning is if I find the old rogues and the detectives and kill them.
I've never played a Last man standing game, so I have no idea how I'm supposed to convince others to lynch everyone else but me.
1. You're very likely not an Old Rogue.

2. If you are an Old Rogue, I wouldn't blatantly advertise that fact, since you will be promptly eliminated.

3. I don't expect anything from you; you can play the game how you want. I just don't understand why we are all still beating around the bush with this civilian nonsense which such a designation clearly isn't relevant.

4. What you describe of the New Rogue win condition is definitely a faction win condition. Each faction has a specific objective they must fulfill. It's more complex than "civilians must eliminate mafia" and "mafia must eliminate civilians" because no faction has majority.

5. Convince others to lynch you by acting the EXACT OPPOSITE of me. But seriously, it seems as though a surefire way to avoid lynching in this game is to convince others that you are not a threat to them OR that you are a (potential) powerful ally OR both (preferably both). We are all currently hunting under the guise of civilians and mafia, but at endgame, you better bet that the players who have the better alliance or aligned win conditions will lynch the weakest link.

I have not hinted at my role the entire game. I think that the best way to stay alive is making people think you're an independent Rogue. They are the only ones who don't care who dies, and they don't even have to pretend they care. If you're playing the LMS type, that's what you'd be doing, especially if you feel so strongly about it. So now, question is, if I'm someone who actually cares who dies, do I believe you, or don't I

MovingPictures07 wrote:timmer doesn't deserve to get lynched right now just because he's the "alternative" to me. He could be any alignment for all I know, but I don't see why he should be lynched over practically most everyone else right now. Hence, I need to die.

Apparently, I failed spectacularly at my win condition. I've accepted my fate. It's OK.

FZ., just ignore me then. I clearly said I don't trust you at all. And keep denying it. Repeat after me. "Civilians exist. Civilians exist..."

Stop it, come on

Let's say you're right, but I'm still an old rouge, what do you expect me to do other than what I am already. That's what I still don't understand. My only option at winning is if I find all the new rouges and eliminate them.
Say I'm a new Rogue, my only chance at winning is if I find the old rogues and the detectives and kill them.
I've never played a Last man standing game, so I have no idea how I'm supposed to convince others to lynch everyone else but me.

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Any thoughts that MP might be mind-controlled right now?
We discussed it and he vehemently denied it. Though I guess he'd have to do that today, if it were true... but he's pushing it pretty hard.
Well he kinda has to push his ideas to some extent to doesn't he? That's part of being cursed/mind-controlled.

But the self-vote gives me pause, I believe rabbit was forced to vote a particular way, as was I. Would MP be forced to self-vote?
I would feel more comfortable waiting until tomorrow so MP can debrief us on whether or not he's been mind controlled, but I'm not sure where else to turn my vote towards. I don't want to lynch Timmer, he seems okay to me. And I maintain that at least one of the recent replacements is a newly minted killer. But I haven't heard enough from DREAM and Devin seems like he's on the level so far. MP is definitely the sketchiest of the bunch, but at the same time I don't see him willingly playing like this if he has a killing role.

I agree with everything, and I guess I can agree on the last sentence as well. Maybe, LOL.

Why are we giving Dream a free pass?

linki: MP, seriously, if you're not an old rogue, can you please drop the LMS talk and all that, and look at who you don't trust based on what happened before this whole conversation started?

edit: lynch our ass off and form a

MovingPictures07 wrote:Don't worry about it, Devin. I sunk the time into this game and expressed thoughts that I knew challenged the convention of this game. I don't want you defending me because I'm poison at this point. I only want people defending me if they honestly believe a lynch of me makes no sense, but even then it's obvious that I'm poison.

People contest that this game has LMS elements, but just LOOK at how every lynch has gone down, including this one. Is this the mindset of a civilian majority game? No.

I am super swamped RL right now, so not having this game on my mafia stress plate would be a relief to me, after I get over the initial sadness of having died. Hence my wishywashiness on whether I actually want to die. Consequently, I pulled a gambit. You know how much easier it is to pull gambits when they are based in feelings and thoughts that you have genuinely felt? Much more easily.

I'm not changing my vote to timmer because I stand by my assessment that FZ. is least trustworthy based on how Day 5 has progressed. I also do not think timmer deserves to die just because he is the alternative to voting me. I think people jumping onto him for that reason are equally suspect in their motives. timmer should be evaluated on his actions and his actions ALONE.

I honestly don't really care who wins this game, but I hope that this lynch period has been illuminating to all of you, because that's what I truly intended with all of this.

I just ask that you please note the following after my death:

1) I never called Llama suspicious. I am stating TRUTHS. Doesn't matter what Llama says about hunting New Rogues exclusively, even if he has that intention. Detectives can jail Old Rogues too. It clearly says it. Don't ever just trust someone, even if their role is confirmed, if their win condition leaves any opportunity open for betrayal. I've been burned by it way too many times.

2) MR specifically designed this game to NOT be a civ v. baddie affair, considering he even says "the closest to civilian" as the game is going to get with the Old Rogues. Whether or not you wanted to play this type of game or whether you think his game is balanced is irrelevant. There is no such thing as civilians and baddies this game. Yes, the New Rogues are basically a mafia team since they're hostile to everyone else except the Independent Rogues, but that doesn't mean that hunting for people based on traditional tells will actually help net them, especially since they outnumber EVERY OTHER FACTION. Stop deluding yourselves.

3) Independent Rogues only want to survive. And there are 6 of them.

4) FZ. said that she thought I looked "bad" based on my insistence and that I didn't offer up alternatives, yet I clearly came up with two off the top of my head, and she failed to address them completely. I even stated multiple times that I'm not insulting any of you, but she OMGUS'd me saying that if I didn't want to play with a bunch of illogical people that I should never have replaced in.

5) Both S~V~S and timmer have claimed "civilian" roles. Remember that. Although they seem alright by me, I caution that you be wary of anyone who tries to claim such a thing. Also be wary of players trying too hard to act as though they are neutral yet their intentions indicate a contradiction. Hopefully that will help you determine those people who are lying.

I'm not bitter if I die. C'est la vie. I honestly asked for it.

I only hope that whatever faction can best take advantage of the information gained from these lynches be crowned the winner.

I don't even know how to respond to this post. You're all over the place. Basically, you don't trust anyone. You want to vote for anyone that wants to vote you. If we're playing LMS like you call it, then why not lynch you? We should just lynch are ass off and form alignments with whoever is willing to take them. Well, you might be the weakest link. Goodbye.

I'm kidding of course, but for the life of me, I have no idea what you're rambling about. I'm glad you had fun, because mine kind of decreased. Even if it wasn't intentional, you bombarded the thread saying how we were all acting illogical and what a bunch of hypocrites we are. Excuse me for not enjoying it. Not personally, but game wise.

Black Rock wrote:
timmer wrote:So if you guys are not thinking of this as a LMS game, your votes for me must mean you think I'm a New Rogue? You think I torpedoed my own teammate in Bass 1.0?

Nice trick, MP. Make the whole day about you, then pull the pity card and look at the lynch result. Bravo.

No I think you didn't know he was your teammate because you hadn't gained BTSC. You keep using that as an argument this game but it is void.

But he gave a really good reason why Bass could be bad. One that people were likely to follow, and he probably believe himself. Thus, he brought down his potential buddy

Turnip Head wrote:
FZ. wrote:I was about to unvote after reading the previous page, and then MP lost it. Is he admitting to being bad?
I don't think so... where are you seeing that?

The part where we're going to see the baddiness and the part where he said he planned to have fun this game, and he has. If he wasn't bad, would he say he had fun when everyone is jumping on him for his proposals?

I was about to unvote after reading the previous page, and then MP lost it. Is he admitting to being bad?

MP, are you drunk? What the heck is this?

And I have no idea who MM is either.

Who's up for an MP lynch?

MP, I don't see why you're getting annoyed. You could have looked at the thread before deciding to replace whoever it was you replaced (I forgot), and save yourself the time and not played with all the illogical people here. Even if I can see where you're coming from in terms of the old rogues having less chance of winning, you also contradicted yourself, so I have no clue what the heck you're doing. You said we should vote for the least trust worthy person, and then voted for the absent person. If you want to play LMS (and thank you for explaining), why not eliminate the people who are actually in the game and are more likely to disturb you/kill you?

linki: Thanks for answering Timmer. Like I said, my gut is telling me you're okay. I just need to clear the doubts.
As for MP, I don't mind lynching him. I don't like the way he's acting. I think that he's possibly trying to make us think he's an independent rough, because I said that one of the new people made a kill, and if that's the case, we have less chance to lynch him if we think he's an Independent rather than an old rouge

MP, I still don't get the difference. Calling someone civvie or baddie is just another way to say you trust them or you don't. I'd understand the point in all your discussion if you actually had a plan or something by which you think people should play, but since you keep saying the same things, it's just making me think you're bad...or not to be trusted, if you'd rather I phrase it that way :P

By the way, at the risk of sounding really clueless, what is LMS?

Timmer, there are a few people who think you should be voted, yet you don't think any of them is bad. you're only looking at the low posters who are mostly not here to defend themselves. While I tend to do that myself sometimes when I'm out of options, the fact that you don't find any of those suspicious of you suspicious makes me wonder whether you're just trying to stay on everyone's good side, not to mention you keep apologizing for your game. What exactly is there to apologize for? You're the one who got Double down, so I don't get the apologizing. While my gut is telling me you're genuine and sincere, my brain is telling me you are hiding something. Not sure which one I should trust.

SVS, sorry for everything going on in RL. I hope everything calms down and that your niece gets better soon

I can't decide with SVS. Most of the time, she seems genuine to me, but then there are those moments when I think she's devious enough.

MP, you talk a lot about how we should play this game, yet basically you only talk about the meta. The only person you mentioned as possibly not trust worthy is SVS. Besides, no matter what way we play the game, we try to take out those we don't trust. So what's the point in talking about it. If you have a plan, say it. If not, this just seems like trying to stir things.

I think the fact that there were two parties trying to kill Bullz and the story is so vague means one of these three: MP, Devine and Dream, are bad. Not sure exactly when Dream joined and whether he/she were already here during the night. Since once of them is very likely a killer, I think we should focus on them. Unless I'm misinterpreting what happened at night.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Finished.

????????????????? – He may spin… really fast. Night kills directed at him will be redirected at a random player. His spinning abilities somehow gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he may choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

Before anything else, if this is true, and llama said the Bullz killing was not him, yet we didn't see any other kill from the Flash, could this be the reason? llama, did you try to kill/imprison tonight?

as bandwagonny as this may sound, I wouldn't mind joining an SVS vote, I think. Feeling better about it than Timmer and even Bass

I've been waiting to hear from TH this day because his game has ended. CIvvie TH is way more active. I followed his game a little, and at one point, I knew without reading the game, that he was bad, because had he been a civ, no matter how overwhelmed he was by the game, he'd be in there right in the middle of all the chaos. At the end, he fought like that, but it was the last stretch.

So this game, I've been waiting to see what will happen after the game. Now, unless he's silenced or whatever, I can't see civvie TH being so absent in this game.

As for Timmer, I maybe a totally naive here, but Timmer is getting to me and I believe him. He doesn't seem bad to me

Long Con wrote:Ok, so it's not Grodd that is controlling people's minds. It it the Secret Role, who I now expose as... The Top! dun dun dunnnnn.....

I solved Grodd's role:

Gorilla Grodd (????????) – He wants Keystone and Central City all for himself and his gorilla empire. He is the Serial Killer and is immune to all mind control. Because of Grodd’s telepathic power, he will know where every player is and what they’re up to during the game.

So he's immune to mind control, but he doesn't control others. Looks like he gets a lot of map awareness, not sure what information is gained through knowing "what players are up to".

The Super Secret role (still some words missing):

The Top – He can spin…really fast. ~~~~~ ~~~~s targeted at him will be redirected to a random player. His spinning a~~~~~~es s~~e~~~ gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he can choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

So... the person Black Rock is looking for is The Top, aka the Super Secret Role, and not Grodd.

I wonder if Grodd's serial killer ability is map based? He knows where everyone is, and can come and hunt them down, maybe?

Anyways, disclaimer, any and all of my role solutions could be wrong, so it would be sensible for someone else to cross-check and verify my solutions to be more sure.

LOL, I missed this post somehow. Well, I guess I was wrong about Grodd doing the mind control.

As for the secret role, how about "Night kills targeted at him will be redirected to a random player.

I'm here.
RIP Bullz

Doesn't anyone find it weird that when we finally get replacements for some of the players, two people went for a kill this night, and it doesn't say who they were? To me that screams one of the replacements made the kill and in order to not make it obvious, the identities are left vague.
If llama didn't kill, then perhaps Captain cold isn't dead, and it wasn't Roxy, and that's another person who made the kill. Not sure about that though.

As for Bullz, maybe the baddies thought his plan, whatever it was, was better than we gave it credit for, or at least they understood it better than us.

MP is trying to be helpful without really saying anything. I'm not sure if it's because he's bad, or because he really doesn't know what's going on.

As for Timmer, I have no idea what BR knows. I started out thinking he's bad, and then when he found Double down, it made me feel a lot better about him. I guess he could have outed Bass for the credit, but as someone who has no problem throwing her team under the bus, I agree on doing it only when they're going down anyway. I don't know if that's how Timmer plays, but maybe we need to check how early he voted for Bass among the Bass voters. As for Grodd, I have no idea, but judging from the last episode of the Flash, it's definitely him doing the mind control.

BR, how did Timmer advantage from mind controlling you?

SVS, I hope you niece feel better

Mister Rearranger wrote:Hey guys, we had an internet outage around here yesterday. Back now!

If I didn't get you a movement PM, I apologize. I got about halfway through before things went kaput. I'll finish those up now and put the Night Post up around 4 or 5 tonight so we're back on an evening schedule, if that's cool with everyone.

That's fine, but I'll only be here tomorrow

I've lost count. What is it now, night or day?

Just finished watching the Flash episode. I liked it

That's a good result, I think.
But the fact that he's not a new rogue means new rogues had no problem lynching him. How is this related to everything Bass and Timmer are saying? I have no clue.

I have a feeling Sophie could be a new Rogue. Her early vote combined with how little she's contributing, makes me feel this is the case.

Since Cold killed last night, it means that he was still alive that night and could be alive now. If Roxy wasn't Cold like Bass claims then either it was DH, or Cold is still alive and should know Bass is lying.

On a side note, I just looked at those who voted for Aces and didn't find my name there. WTF? I swear I voted Aces before I left for the night. The only explanation I have for this is I was literally falling asleep on the computer. Hence this post:

FZ. wrote:Forget it, I'm just going to vote Aces because I'm falling asleep. I"m barely able to write this poist,

I hope we' know what we're doing

I must have forgot to press the submit vote button.

Not that it matters, but I'm sorry

Forget it, I'm just going to vote Aces because I'm falling asleep. I"m barely able to write this poist,

I hope we' know what we're doing

I think it's pretty much determined that Aces is going to be the one lynched.
I'm not sure I like the fact that almost everyone is voting for him. Does it mean that the baddies are just not around, or voting for Timmer, or are they in the last voters for him, realizing he's going down anyway, so why not vote that way too and look good. Yet there's another option, which is he's innocent and baddies are voting for him.

I'm leaning on him being baddie, but I want to be sure we're voting for the right person

S~V~S wrote:Also, MM, do you think Roxy was bad?

Do you think Roxy was bad?

S~V~S wrote:
timmer wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You should think I am a civ

Can you tell me, Timmer, within the limits of what is acceptable, if you know why BF thought you & he interacted Night One? Even a yes/no would help me.
Nothing I would call an interaction, really. But if you think of all of the different ways two people could be technically linked in the course of a single mafia night (map btsc, role btsc, someone targets someone else with their night power, stuff like that) then yes, there is a certain something between us that night. And yet no. Because whatever the thing is that was supposed to be.... wasn't. And I have no idea why. Does that fit with what BF may have mentioned? I don't think I can say more than that.
Yes this makes sense. Thanks.

And he went to look for you after our time was up. What else would I have meant? Sometimes people make me feel like I am speaking a different language, when I know I am not ha ha.

Sorry if this is boring you LC

I will likely switch to Aces or Daisy.

Why not Bass? What do you think of him?

Still not sure what's going on, but the people I think I can trust are TH, Timmer, LC and llama. The latter, not because he's being very helpful, but because he's a confirmed detective.

All the rest I'm still on the fence about. While I want to trust SVS, I'm still not sure I can, but she's not one I plan on voting, at least for now.
I never get MM, but he doesn't strike me as too suspicious. Still, he doesn't strike me as someone who's trying to make his intentions clear either.
Rabbit is another one I don't get, but not getting a bad feeling from him just yet.

There's BR who I'm not sure I like the way she's playing this game, but I have no way of telling if it's real life or if it's game related, ie., her being bad.

There's Bullz who most of the time I think is okay, but many people don't, so I don't know if my gut is wrong on this one.

No idea what to think of MP or Devin just yet, so I'm giving it more time.

Bass, SD and Aces are the ones I'm considering voting for. I would really like to hear their defense.
I'm probably forgetting some more people, so I'll check later. I'm in the middle of work.

I won't have much time today, so I hope I'll manage to be here for some discussion at least.

Does MM always vote so early?

I seriously don't get the Timmer votes and it''s bugging the hell out of me.
Either those who voted for him explain it in a way that I understand their motives, or I'm voting for one of them

RIP DH.
So does the fact we didn't get a baddie NK mean we killed Grodd or blocked him? I just went to read the results of the night before (night 2) and it seems as though Captain Cold killed Epig, and we didn't get a kill from Plunder who's supposed to kill on even nights. What the hell does that mean? Was it an absent player?
I feel like the dumb person who doesn't get anything that's going on.

Why are people voting for TImmer?
Timmer, why does Roxy vouching for Aces necessarily makes him bad, even if she was? Couldn't it be that she was trying to look good to him just as you claim she was to you? Maybe she thought it will take her farther? I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm not seeing your explanation as set in stone.

The Bass theory seems stronger, though. I think he vouched for her in his previous version as well as in this version

linki: What people said

Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Long Con wrote:As for my own opinion on Bullzeye, I'm just not sure. I'd say he's not Captain Cold or Heat Wave, because I think BF probably checked Bullz and reinforced his own opinion that he's less likely to be Civ. So that's 50% of the Old Rogues that 's not, in my opinion. He's not Magenta, because he'd have stopped a lynch by now to get BTSC with the Detectives (assuming my secret solution is right for her). He's not a Detective, I'd say.

Actually, after saying all that together, he's got a reasonably good chance of being a baddie. Or a "scum" as the broader Mafia vernacular prefers.
I think he's most probably an independent Rogue, but that's me. That said, if he's not interested in defending himself, I'm not going to be defending him.
LC, has your opinion of BR changed or actually, do you have any opinion of her now?
I usually stay away from too much in-thread analysis of BR because she's my wife and we most often use the same computer and that kind of meta-analysis can get to be a little sketchy. Why are you specifically asking me about BR, and no one else? I just make it a general rule when playing in the same game as her to keep my distance, at least until later in the game, and let other players make their own unbiased analyses of her.

I do have an opinion of her, I'm just not going to share it until later in the game, presuming we're still alive. You should develop an opinion of her that doesn't involve my opinion of her, I just think it's a more generally fair way to play.

I already said that I'm not liking how she's playing this game. I'm just trying to get any validation for how I'm seeing things, and I thought you'd be a good person to ask. But fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. That said, I do want an opinion from everyone on her, you included. While asking you specifically isn't fair, you not sharing anything on how you feel about her is also not very fair.

Anyway, what are people's thoughts on BR?

Okay, I'll be eagerly waiting

Long Con wrote:As for my own opinion on Bullzeye, I'm just not sure. I'd say he's not Captain Cold or Heat Wave, because I think BF probably checked Bullz and reinforced his own opinion that he's less likely to be Civ. So that's 50% of the Old Rogues that 's not, in my opinion. He's not Magenta, because he'd have stopped a lynch by now to get BTSC with the Detectives (assuming my secret solution is right for her). He's not a Detective, I'd say.

Actually, after saying all that together, he's got a reasonably good chance of being a baddie. Or a "scum" as the broader Mafia vernacular prefers.

I think he's most probably an independent Rogue, but that's me. That said, if he's not interested in defending himself, I'm not going to be defending him.
LC, has your opinion of BR changed or actually, do you have any opinion of her now?

linki: Bullz, if you have a theory, why not share it? This kind of attitude is frustrating me. You pay attention to those who allegedly wrongly go after you, but you won't help those who have not voted for you since day 1

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