The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Where the baddies KNOW who the others are without having BTSC? No, I can't. Thinking someone else might be on your team, and therefore worthy of defense, is another matter entirely. In any case, that's not why I voted for TH, so it doesn't matter.

FZ: I'm not the one making claims about how much BTSC currently exists. You, Elohcin and TH are.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Light and the other one. Ryuk

But they have BTSC.

I'm talking about baddies where the players involved do not have BTSC, but know who the other is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Do it then. I have already acquired the taste of others misinterpreting my intentions from minute zero.

Very well. Explain your intentions.

I did. It's in that post. It's raising an issue on the L/Light type of voting based on how many connections or how much awareness could potentially form in both sides and which side would end up with more advantage, if this type of voting would be established over a long period of time.

But instead, I started pinging with preferring to name Light Kira (even though I said I'm willing to not do that), with being too drawn in by the theme and thus making too many assumptions based on it rather than relying on the specific-written roles (even though I apologized for making that logical jump) and being called a bullshitter for not being entirely sure if suggesting what BTSC connections could form is a way of hinting or not.

It seems likely that the Yotsuba Goup and Kira and his Sympathizers team up and become one super-baddie team with BTSC and new win conditions on Day 3.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:boo defended Snowman despite his view that active players should not be lynched over inactives.

Snowman was, for me, inactive.

TH was also a vocal defender of Snowman. I'm not sure what level of BTSC the Kira sympathizers have at this point, but I find it noteworthy.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Okay, Logic 101, because apparently people need it.

FX, Elohcin, and TH all made positive claims amount the amount of BTSC in the game at present. Those are assumptions.

I pointed out that those claims are not necessarily correct - they might be correct, but the only way you could know that is if you have inside information. This is not an assumption. This is pointing out that the positive claims present lack evidence.

No, MP said that the baddies start without BTSC. Any assumptions on changes, are just that, assumptions. We know how it started out. You've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game

Please demonstrate where I have claimed BTSC between people as a reason for voting for them.

thellama73 wrote:Okay, Logic 101, because apparently people need it.

FX, Elohcin, and TH all made positive claims amount the amount of BTSC in the game at present. Those are assumptions.

I pointed out that those claims are not necessarily correct - they might be correct, but the only way you could know that is if you have inside information. This is not an assumption. This is pointing out that the positive claims present lack evidence.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:If Misa and Mikami had Death Notes already, I think we'd be seeing a lot more death. This does not seem an unreasonable assumption to make...

The role doesn't say that Mikami has to have a death note to gain BTSC. It says "at some point."

Assumptions...

Sockface wrote:Kiyomi Takada – Classmate and former girlfriend of Light Yagami, Takada becomes the official spokeswoman for Kira if Demegawa dies. Like Demegawa, she may only be Kira's spokeswoman after L has died. If Mikami starts killing, she gains BTSC with both Light and Mikami separately, facilitating communication among the three of them. Because of a romantic rivalry with Misa Amane, her vote is worth 3 if she ever votes for Misa. If she has become Kira's spokeswoman, every night she can force one player to vote the way she wishes the subsequent day.

What was that you were saying Llama?

That's Takada's role, not Mikami's. You're ASSUMING that Mikami gaining btsc with Takada "at some point" is the same event as Takada gaining BTSC with both Light and Mikami separately. They could be distinct.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: linki: A lot of these BTSC happen after the Kiras (one of them) gains a death note or starts killing. Since we've only seen one death, I doubt any of these have happened....though I didn't carefully read all of them, just skimmed

We've only seen one death? I guess SVS doesn't count. Poor SVS

Elohcin wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:FZ, what do you consider to be big issues?

I don't know. I don't remember Elo saying much in any of the big discussions, like DH vs. Epi. I mostly remember her talking about watching the show, sharing stuff on her and EPi, that are a need to know basis :P , and posting a lot in OT green.


Elo, by the way, I forgot to ask you before because when I read it, I was in a big hurry. Did you mix me and Zombarella up? You had this post where you talked about how leading a lynch did not make those people good. If I remember, I thought you were talking about the Snowman lynch, and then you went on to say that even though it didn't make those people civvies, you felt nothing but good vibes from llama and me. Did you mean Zomb?

I didn't have anything to weigh in on the DH/Epi thing. I am still not exactly sure about Epi's alliance. If I am unsure about his alliance, how can I make any decisions about what HE thinks of DH. Any other big issues you want my two cents on?

The off topic green was responses to Epi's late night OT greens.

And, I remember the post you are talking about. I believe you are right. I got you mixed up with Zomb.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Do you all think there's a reason MP is giving out the secrets in that specific order, or is it more random?

It's worth noting that he's only done it with players that we've lynched that have a secret win condition (because that's what we've been solving for). So I don't think it's random. I think we won't see any more such puzzle-solving until we lynch another player that has a secret win condition, and I think Matsuda doesn't have one.

I was also talking about the changes in role secrets he put up a few times after the night

I've not kept up with each new change, but we have 4 detectives revealed and 8 non-detectives revealed. I have a feeling that each day, 1 civvie is revealed, 1 Yotsuba is revealed, and 1 Sympathizer is revealed, though now we go to 2 Sympathizers per day since all the Yotsuba have been revealed.

That's the pattern that appeals to me right now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Do you all think there's a reason MP is giving out the secrets in that specific order, or is it more random?

It's worth noting that he's only done it with players that we've lynched that have a secret win condition (because that's what we've been solving for). So I don't think it's random. I think we won't see any more such puzzle-solving until we lynch another player that has a secret win condition, and I think Matsuda doesn't have one.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:FZ, what do you consider to be big issues?

Elohcin wrote:

FZ. wrote:
Interesting that both BR and Elo are a little suspicious of me after I just said I was suspicious of them. Elo, to answer your question, I've never seen this show, and if what I see here is any indication, I won't be watching it any time soon :P .
Also, you keep saying that you're trying to think of what is considered bad and what is good. Is that why you're not really trying to add any thoughts? I feel you're even less talkative than usual.

I'm taking everything in and observing as much as possible I am also trying to do some detective work and figure something out atm. I believe I am almost there. I don't find you crazy suspicious. I was in a big hurry to vote. It was already 7:44 when I ran to my computer to vote. I knew my vote for you would not affect you and it would allow me not to be punished for missing the vote.

FZ. wrote: Elo is also playing that card, but with her, it's that she doesn't know who is bad and who is good. Come on, that's what you're going for? Really? That doesn't sound genuine. Is it only me?

I think watching the show has messed me up. It messes with your head being right in the middle of the show b/c Light is NOT bad. He is NOT kira. He is HELPING the detectives find kira. He has no recollection of ever BEING kira. And, he cannot imagine himself EVER killing someone even if they were a horrible criminal. So...it is weird. My thoughts are genuine.

FZ. wrote:Why would Elo say she thought Bea was L? Wouldn't that jeopardize Bea? Why not just say she thought she was good? I don't get Elo this game at all.

Epi said that my reaction to his question would help him decide what question to ask next. I was curious to see his reaction...that is all.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think I'm in too much trouble atm FZ so no need to share Thanks for keeping an open mind about me by the way.

boo wrote:I don't mean she already is playing that way FZ, I mean my usual way of going after someone illicits that type of response from her, and it usually works to keep her (and other people who are good at it in the same way) from being lynched. So I didn't go that route.

No, L wasn't a consideration, I voted for her because I think she's bad.

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Okay, found it. And it didn't take time at all...oops

boo wrote:Oh bea. I am disappoint. I like civ you. This is not civ you. And you went and killed SVS because if anyone was going to pick up on it first and come after you hard, it would have been her. It was probably the best decision, I'll give you that. But I think it's going to bite you in the ass because of how you've played it. You wouldn't have done it if her coming after you wouldn't have mattered because you're a shingami and can't be lynched, which means you can be killed.

I'm honestly not even sure I would have picked up on it, but I think you know better than what you're doing to be doing it if you were a civ. I think this has all been very dishonest, you're throwing my name out because you (and maybe your teammate(s)) know I can become an easy lynch. You wouldn't do that if you were civ. SVS was trusting me prior to her death, and I think if you were civ you'd put stock in that opinion, and not be saying things we both know you could easily go back and check if you wanted to. But you don't want to, because you know what the truth is, it's just inconvenient to your attempt to get me lynched.

I am curious about your kill on LC. Why do it and then frame the discussion in a way that also assigns guilt to you? The WIFOM and getting ahead of it is nice, but LC wasn't really playing normal LC this game, and it would have been easy to argue a player who doesn't know him well did it because he was a middle of the pack poster who wasn't raising a lot of flags, the kind of target baddies like because they are so rarely protected. Although I guess that's maybe why you killed him? Another person who could pick up on your baddie-ness and would come at you hard.

I suppose the good news for me is that based on your coming after me, I'm not next to be NKed? Or did you try that, it was supposed to have gone through by now, and I've gotten lucky and it failed? I could see that, after LC and SVS, I'm one of what, 3 or 4 people you'd want dead next?

I'm almost tempted to go the usual route and build a case. I started to, but it just feels off. If it was anyone else I would have gone through with it. But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you. I think that must have been what you were hoping for throwing my name out? I bite, come after you in my usual style, you play it just so, and get me lynched after subtly but obviously forcing me into making it a you vs. me.

So who's your teammate? You have to be Light, and while I don't trust Epi or llama, I don't think it's either of them. I still think TH is a Shingami, and that was the first role I thought he was. I wonder if I had that one right?

Anyways, I'm voting bea, just in case I have the read wrong on the NK I want to get it in to count.

Hmm, I have no idea what to make of this.
I think I was the first person Bea suspected and voted for. I thought that if anyone should have known better, it was her. But when I attacked her on that, she said it made me feel more genuine and said she's pulling back a little and we'll just agree to mutually watch each other instead of voting for me again. Is that what you mean when you say " But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you." ? Would you say that backing off when someone attacks her back is something she does more as a civvie or as a baddie. Do you think she'd pursued her suspicion on me if she was a civ? Though most players have backed off me, so I don't know what to make of that.

I think she said you seemed genuine and backed off because the wind wasn't blowing in your direction, and rather than maintain the suspicion but not pursue it at all, it's easier to say something like you were seeming genuine to drop it and then just come back to it if people find other reasons to suspect you down the road. I think a civ bea would have at least engaged you more before backing off. I think baddie bea is more paranoid about things back-firing, and risk-averse, so quickly dropping it when it isn't working is the play.

It's the same sort of thing I meant, but not quite. What I mean is, if I were to build a case on bea, giving her a point by point to defend, and then discuss and pick apart with her, the final posts would be what I consider the emotional defense, where it becomes not about what's actually said, but how it is said, and bea is great at the how it's said, and making people think what was said is genuine. It creates second-guessing and doubt, and forces away votes. So case building, while my preference, doesn't work. I'd usually still just go about it in my usual way and ignore past experiences where it doesn't work, but as I was doing that, I felt like that was the goal and I was being played, so I tried something else.

boo wrote:Oh bea. I am disappoint. I like civ you. This is not civ you. And you went and killed SVS because if anyone was going to pick up on it first and come after you hard, it would have been her. It was probably the best decision, I'll give you that. But I think it's going to bite you in the ass because of how you've played it. You wouldn't have done it if her coming after you wouldn't have mattered because you're a shingami and can't be lynched, which means you can be killed.

I'm honestly not even sure I would have picked up on it, but I think you know better than what you're doing to be doing it if you were a civ. I think this has all been very dishonest, you're throwing my name out because you (and maybe your teammate(s)) know I can become an easy lynch. You wouldn't do that if you were civ. SVS was trusting me prior to her death, and I think if you were civ you'd put stock in that opinion, and not be saying things we both know you could easily go back and check if you wanted to. But you don't want to, because you know what the truth is, it's just inconvenient to your attempt to get me lynched.

I am curious about your kill on LC. Why do it and then frame the discussion in a way that also assigns guilt to you? The WIFOM and getting ahead of it is nice, but LC wasn't really playing normal LC this game, and it would have been easy to argue a player who doesn't know him well did it because he was a middle of the pack poster who wasn't raising a lot of flags, the kind of target baddies like because they are so rarely protected. Although I guess that's maybe why you killed him? Another person who could pick up on your baddie-ness and would come at you hard.

I suppose the good news for me is that based on your coming after me, I'm not next to be NKed? Or did you try that, it was supposed to have gone through by now, and I've gotten lucky and it failed? I could see that, after LC and SVS, I'm one of what, 3 or 4 people you'd want dead next?

I'm almost tempted to go the usual route and build a case. I started to, but it just feels off. If it was anyone else I would have gone through with it. But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you. I think that must have been what you were hoping for throwing my name out? I bite, come after you in my usual style, you play it just so, and get me lynched after subtly but obviously forcing me into making it a you vs. me.

So who's your teammate? You have to be Light, and while I don't trust Epi or llama, I don't think it's either of them. I still think TH is a Shingami, and that was the first role I thought he was. I wonder if I had that one right?

Anyways, I'm voting bea, just in case I have the read wrong on the NK I want to get it in to count.

boo wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I also agree with a lot of what Russ is saying. TH has indeed been brazen as an unlynchable (so far) player, although I don't thinking lynching him was a waste of time, because I agree with some of the variants on how we can build from that (especially Epig's). I can't properly charge Epig as bad even given his shenanigans. I am certain I'm not bad. Boo's cases were on the level until his bea case seemed more like an outburst than a grand reasoning and I too am waiting to hear more from him on that. I should probably re-read Elo based on Russ' suspicions, didn't pick up anything on that. Will think more on Made.

linki: What Epig points out suddenly makes sense. I can also start to see a condition such as "Higuchi Kyosuke must "

Dinner now. If MP agrees to offer a new letter, I say O.

I'm not sure what people mean when they are saying this.

Go back and read what I said again. If there is anyone who is great at doing the 'but this last post sounds really genuine' to turn suspicion into nothing when they're a baddie, it's bea. Case building against her like I do doesn't work. My goal was to channel SVS, because SVS is the best at reading her, and SVS is the best at getting her lynched when she's bad. I guess I did a poor job of it, but all it should really take is for people to reread bea and come to their own conclusion. I wasn't telling people to vote for Bea, I was explaining why I strongly believe bea is bad, and listed the reasons I had for it that worked in the style I wanted to use. But if you want to consider voting for her, you're going to need to do your own leg work, and if you have questions you'd like to see her answer, you're going to need to ask them. If you read her and don't agree then say it and move on, or better yet, explain why you think the reasons I gave for voting her are wrong. Just talking about it without saying anything of meaning isn't helping anyone, and I'm not sure why multiple people have felt the need to do so.

Another person said I could have substitued bea's name in that post with anyone and had it be true. I feel like that person isn't a case builder. I could take anyone in this thread and build a case like I do on them, with lots of quotes and reasons they've flipped on things, haven't followed their own internal logic, have baddie motives for voting how they have, why they'd NK LC and SVS, etc. Anyone could do that. It's doing it with people you actually suspect based on one small but important thing that launches something like that. With my reasons for voting bea, I couldn't do that same sort of swap in for any other player, that was very much built around how I think she plays as a civ and how she plays as a baddie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Higuchi Kyosuke must be lynched twice OR get a Death Note.

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Eiichi (RHZ) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIA) (SOLVED)
Your (TJB) (SOLVED)
win (UKC) (SOLVED)
condition (VLD): (SOLVED)
outlive (WME) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNF)(SOLVED)
~~~~(YOG)
~~(ZPH)
~~~~~~~(AQI)
~~~~~(BRJ)
OR(CSK)
~~~(DTL) win?
a(EUM)(SOLVED)
Death(FVN)(SOLVED)
Note(GWO).(SOLVED)

Rico with the assist.

Updated

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:Russ, while you're here, can you actually talk about the players and what you think about them?

Yes indeed!

As I said before, I think TH has made it clear through his behavior that lynching him is a waste of time. Llama has seemed to be his normal, slightly wacky, gun-ho baddie-hunting self. I started out thinking Epi seemed really bad, but have flipped my stance since he thought he would potentially be lynched and came off as very genuine. Hopefully most of that could be gleaned from my previous posts and votes. I have agreed with most everything Rico has said. He was one of the ones not sad about Yotsuba dying (although clearly lynching them shouldn't be a priority). He's also posted helpful analysis, so even though he suspects me I'm doubtful that he's bad.

boo I started off being absolutely convinced was detective. Then he had a spat with...Epi, I think? Since then I've read him as somewhat grumpy and with a MAJOR dose of tunnel-vision. I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent. If he could go back to posting more analytically then I would feel a lot better about him. For example, his bea case was kind of a "believe, I promise I'm right" deal in the vein of Zomba's on Snowman, but that's not really boo's (best) play style like it is Zomba's. So I'm kinda waiting on the return of Detailed Analysis boo, but he has my eye for now.

I am a little worried about Elo. Her posts read to me as trying to justify why the baddies aren't bad, and that just doesn't seem like it can be a good sign. However, I usually rely on Epi's read of her to be sure, and he's refused to give one. That would make me worry about Epi too, normally. So I think there are 2 possibilities, and idk how to decide which one is better. Either what Epi posted about not being able to read Elo is true, or (and this would explain why Epi and Elo both aren't talking about it) maybe Epi knows Elo is bad and has decided it's unfair to call her out every single time, s he's just not getting involved.

Finally, I think there's a decent chance Made is bad. I will potentially vote there tomorrow, but I am trying to take a "wait and see" approach based on his recent posts and whether better leads emerge.

Made wrote:Catching up, page 30/45. But I felt the need to comment on this.

[clipped for brevity]...

I would be in the perfect position if i were a baddie this game. In the last 8 pages I read catching up, i was mentioned once, and it was a joke in passing. We need to make sure players like me or FZ seen above aren't slipping through the cracks. I'm not saying to vote low poster, but maybe general mindfulness of low post to content ratio?

This was on Day 1. So he's advocating not forgetting low posters, that's fine. But if we're looking at post-to-content ratio going forward, I think Made is at or near the top of that list.

D2:

Made wrote:What's the general case on Snowman?

Made wrote:Just looked the votes...didn't know there was so much steam on BWT, Snow, or llama. gonna look over BWT, prolly not going to vote FZ, solid maybe on Snowman. Need to read boo's case on llama.
I'm having trouble finding the case on BWT. quick help anyone?
Also, is there a case on Epi that i don't know about, surprised to see SVS go that way, that said, i've only read the last 5 pages, then back to page 30 or so.

This is weird, because he was on Page 30 on Day 1. I don't see why he would lie about that, but it does seem weird to only read 5 pages and not say anything about how you're busy.

D3:

Made wrote:Hello friends! this game is very busy and intimidating. That said, i have nothing to do till lynch, so lezzgo. Stand by.

I kind of expected a big post here, but 3 hours later on D3:

Made wrote:Anyways, reading....nothing jumping out at me. This will sound stupid- because it is- but I literally don't have any leads as of yet, of, my own anyways. The case epi has on Dh seems like a stretch, but it merits, especially in the post that MM pointed out. That said I currently think Dh and Epi are both civvie just because to post so much ( i mean an argument the size of a page) and be bad would take a very strange kind of person I would never understand.

Anyways... either going to jump on bandwagon for accountability or self vote because I literally can't find the argument on Snowman.

Thought i'd given myself enough time to read everything and have options and all that jazz, but clearly i hadn't.

Really? 3 hours of nothing but mafia (as you said yourself) isn't enough for one single opinion?

To be fair, on D4 he did post a lot of opinions on people, as well as some darned insightful analysis. So that makes me feel a little better about him. If it continues into D5 I could see myself voting elsewhere.

He did say one thing since then that bugs me a lot, though:

Made wrote:Random thought during AP Lit: While I kinda agree with it, isn't it kinda a cough out to vote TH and Russ? gonna check something....

then, after taking votes from both me and bea in a fairly tight lynch...

Made wrote:I say that we start discussion with Russ and Bea. I'll take point tomorrow before I go to work, for now, my head hurts. done with mafia for a sec. might come back later tonight.

Reads like a NO U to me. And a cop-out.

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Eiichi (RHZ) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIA) (SOLVED)
Your (TJB) (SOLVED)
win (UKC) (SOLVED)
condition (VLD): (SOLVED)
outlive (WME) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNF)(SOLVED)
~~~~(YOG)
~~(ZPH)
~~~~~~~(AQI)
~~~~~(BRJ)
OR(CSK)
~~~(DTL)
a(EUM)(SOLVED)
Death(FVN)(SOLVED)
Note(GWO).(SOLVED)

Rico with the assist.

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Eiichi (RHZ) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIA) (SOLVED)
Your (TJB) (SOLVED)
win (UKC) (SOLVED)
condition (VLD): (SOLVED)
outlive (WME) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNF)(SOLVED)
~~~~(YOG)
~~(ZPH)
~~~~~~~(AQI)
~~~~~(BRJ)
[flash=]OR[/flash](CSK)
~~~(DTL)
a(EUM)(SOLVED)
Death(FVN)(SOLVED)
Note(GWO).(SOLVED)

Rico with the assist.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Surely the sixth word is the other part of the guy's name. Kyosuke.

Don't call me Shirley.

Ricochet wrote:Am I supposed to address anything in your post, FZ? Not sure why you quoted my exchange with Russ, except for the penultimate paragraph.

Ricochet wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Can we stop with the "Russ is X Kira" thing? Our Sockian Overlord confirmed, in thread, that his "strict daily schedule" was for flavor only, when Rico asked. The Sock would have been much more cryptic if that weren't true. Also, it's now morning, and I have mostly posted in the evening.

And Made only suspects me because I voted him.

And why did we try lynching TH, again? He hasn't been very subtle about not fearing that one bit. We played into his hands by lynching him yesterday, and doing so again would be another waste of time.

He speaks again.

Oh please. The worries about me are that I'm not posting, but I get the eye for posting? Way to encourage my participation.

Yes, after another round of Night/Day absence (except for your D4 vote), I do not think that participating again clears you of any suspicion. You did not get my eye for posting, but for returning from silence and doing it again after a full Night/Day phase of silence.

I also notice you make no apologetic absence/catch-up post, like any other player would do if he'd have missed out on a discussion, a vote, a phase or so. So yeah, the eye is staying.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

bea wrote:@ epi - IDK if you can - maybe let someone else see something in DH's posts? I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't seem to be productive - what do you think of boo?

linkie - epi - you couldn't have waited like 4 minutes for me to deal with my laggy computer and linki?

Sorry bea. If Kira kills me, I want my vote to count.

I think boo is evil. Lynch him too.

However, I already voted, and so I won't be making extensive cases or clogging up the thread.

You would have had more luck getting support for that one, I think.

thellama73 wrote:I am glad we're talking about lynches now, but find it rather remarkable that everyone except AceofSpaces came in soliciting the opinions of others rather than putting forth their own.

Nice job for taking a stand, AceofSpaces, although I disagree with you.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The next installment of Snowman's Note will begin on Night 4.

Addendum:

I have a bit more time to start this now, and I thought I'd ask the thread.

So, folks, want to concentrate purely on lynch discussion today or do you want me to provide the next installment of Snowman's Note as well?

Next installment please.

Turnip Head wrote:I think we could use a good distraction

thellama73 wrote:I dislike this puzzle. No one is talking about who we should lynch, and I think that is a problem.

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:13) (2) convince at least three other players to vote for this player FOR THE REASONS you ~~~~~d, (YCDJMWQ)

nice, could be. reasons you argued?

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I feel the bracket for 12) has something with "without hinting, outing or something Snowman would not have been allowed to do, even as a baddie".

But hinting can't work here, nor can outing. I thought about those

Second to last word in the bracket could be outing.

Ricochet wrote:I feel the bracket for 12) has something with "without hinting, outing or something Snowman would not have been allowed to do, even as a baddie".

Turnip Head wrote:ARGHHH so in the lines which had nothing to reveal, I didn't update the (LETTERS REVEALED) at the end of the line, which I probably should have done just for reference.