The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm interested in the early voting for TH, given the revelation that it was a mechanic for Snowman.

What do you mean?

Line 14. Snowman had to be one of the first five people to vote. With the early voting, it makes me wonder if a similar mechanic is in Turnip Head's role (and MM's, while we're at it).

Oh, and didn't llama vote early too?

Epignosis wrote:I'm interested in the early voting for TH, given the revelation that it was a mechanic for Snowman.

What do you mean?

I just spent the last HOUR trying to catch up, you crazy people! But great job I have no idea what's going on with this puzzle, but I'll try to get into things.

Sorry I haven't been here, but I'm not going to stay more than a few minutes. This is not going to be an active day for me, so I apologize.

I see most people are talking about TH as a lynch option. I don't see it at all. But I've been wrong, so I have no idea what to tell you. All the things llama brought up do not make me think he's bad. Flip flopping like he did doesn't mean bad, defending Snowman would worry me more if I weren't guilty of doing the same thing, and I am really not sure other baddies knew who he was, and the early votes just seem like something he has to do, or is more worthwhile to him then not looking suspicious, therefore it makes him more civ in my eyes.

The other talk is who would kill SVS and LC. I wouldn't, but I don't think anyone thinks I would, so not wasting time on that. But I need to look at the list again to think of who would

I don't think I can do another one right now. I'm too tired, and keep in mind English is not my mother tongue, so it's a lot of effort for me. I'm counting on you guys to do the job just as fast as you did the first part

Bye (and hope not to die)

What happens now?

llama, you're shining this game

One sounds much better

Putting it here again so we don't have to scroll up too much

~~e ~~~e ~e~~e~~ ~ei~~ ~e~e~~ed. ~~e ~~e~ e~e~~~~i~~?

nice

Being revealed, released or reversed

Zomberella12 wrote:Fourth word could be:
BEING
DEIFY
WEIGH
NEIGH
HEIST
FEINT
HEIRS
REIGN

I'd say out of these, most likely " Being" or maybe "reign"

You've been busy while I was gone. Code, cool! What where the letters that weren't there according to the 11?

linki: never mind

Turnip Head wrote:Either way I don't think this message is worth much. Why would a portion of Snowman's role be designed to help the detectives?

What have we got to lose?...other than valuable time?

For the second sentence, could it be:
"But with T~T~~~~~~~?"

linki: I thought it was a letter in his possession, not a message from him. A message from him shouldn't be worth much, should it?

Let what started

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna wait till we have more than "T" to work with.

I'm with DH right now. MP implied that we will get more letters.

Didn't he say "no more letters will be revealed"?

Turnip Head wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:How about STARTED?
~~T ~~~T STARTED ~T~~~ ~T~T~~T~.
~~T ~~T~ T~T~~~~~~~?

"But what started" ?

I thought so too, but if "but what" is not a question but a statement, then I don't see a word that could accommodate that in the sentence.

linki: Better

Did you know you can look in the internet for words starting with t, with the number of letters you want?
So the last word is unique. It's 10 letters and it starts with a t, and then a t in the third place. Not a lot of words fitting that template (that actually make some sense). Here is what I found:

totalising
totalistic
totalities
totalizers
totalizing
tutorships
tutoyering


And that's after I cut down most of the words that seemed irrelevant :P
Either MP is messing with us, or he made a mistake, because I don't see any of those words fitting at the end of the question.


linki: LOL, you beat me to it

Forget the "that" option for the second word. I meant "what", but it's not as good.

~~t ~~~t ~t~~t~~ ~t~~~ ~t~t~~t~. ~~t ~~t~ t~t~~~~~~~?

Possible options for the first word in both sentences (that I've come up with): The more likely in red
Ant
Art
Act
Bet
But
Bat
Cat
Cut
Dot
Eat
Fat
Fit
Gut
Get
Hat
Hit
Hot
Jet
Let
Not
Net
Out
Put
Pet
Rat
Sat
Sit
Set
Wet
Yet

I also have some options for the second word "that" can go with a few of the first ones.


linki: I don't think we're going to solve it anyway, but you're mean.


Also, maybe the baddies are targeting people who are not as vocal because they are trying to find L and figured that if a Kira would lay low, so would L.
SVS wasn't too quiet, but not very confrontational.

MP, forgive me for asking the obvious, but will solving this sentence help us in any way?

Great result!
I for one think that llama deserves all the credit, though it was Zomba's push that made us go that way. In contrast, I can take all the credit for wasting a great lynch last day, and pushing people to vote for BWT Sorry.. In my defence, all I can say is that I was seriously considering voting for him on the first day when people were barely noticing him, and people were looking at me like crazy. I always tell myself this, but I need to trust my initial instincts...Anyway I suck and llama rocks

The whole zombarella issue seems really funny to me. The only reason she caught Snowman, as she herself claims, is because she knows him so well and we don't (except for llama :P ), so why would she be at risk more than any of us? More than llama, who obviously had better intuition on a complete stranger? It seems a little like she's trying to make something a lot bigger than it is. I'm still not ready to dismiss the option that baddies here act like serial killers, so getting another baddie would make them look better. While I don't see any reason to suspect Zombarella more than others, this pinged me a little. But then there's the thing where she's trying to make it look like she has knowledge on stuff, which I don't know what to make of.


linki: I started writing this post and then went away for a while, and now I see this thing from MP. I was scared I died for a sec. Going to read

DharmaHelper wrote:Yeah I think SVS's quote was Light's doing. When she said "TH is killing me ARRGHHH" or whatever it was.

Also, excepting the Yotsuba Kira, the other Kiras are all on the same team (Light Sympathizers) and therefore share a win condition, and some of their secrets rely on/help each other.

Yeah, but if most don't know who is who, then they don't have to defend them, and even more so, since they don't know if the person they lynch is good or bad, might as well just vote for the person they think is bad. At least that way they seem honest with their suspicions.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. No that my vote seems to matter anyway, but I'm voting for Snowman and hope that he turns out bad



linki: I thought that's what the "I don't want to play this any more" was supposed to convey.It bothers me if it ruins the fun for another player. Other than that, I'm good.

Good night

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:linki: I have to side with DH on this, Epi. I don't think he's done anything that is out of the realm of a normal mafia game, and I feel like you're making it personal

In what respect? I don't feel like it's personal at all.

You two seem to have been having a pissing contest since the game started, and it's escalating. You keep saying some of his posts are mean, and he feels the same about yours. Can't you two just kiss and make up?

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epig, I actually read 90% of this. Sadly, I agreed with almost nothing. Maybe it's me, but I don't go and read all the details of the roles, but it doesn't make me a baddie, so I disagree with that. I can agree that he wasn't been too nice, but I can see his point when he's saying that he hoped that if you were a civ, it would make you wake up and do what needs to be done. I'm really trying to view this with an open mind.

I do want to ask you, you say you don't think he's a detective, but you keep saying that non Kiras are sort of potential civvies as well, so would you want to lynch him?

I didn't say that not reading the roles makes someone bad- I said that not reading the roles while pushing for a dangerous Day 0 option is anti-detective.

Given the unusual setup, FZ., I have had to take a different approach (mentally, not in the thread) in how to determine who is bad. I won't go into details, but it has been an interesting change of pace. For example, we're up against what is not traditionally a team, but a quartet of serial killers. That drives things hard into luck territory. There are a few people in this who have serial killer tells. However, I have not seen any of those.

For another example, unlike a typical Mafia with maybe a couple of secrets, this is rife with them, and these secrets are being leaked. One thing I've thought of is this: Now that we know a vote cast by a Kira victim will count that Day, what is to be made of the early voters?

Just something to think about. In regards to your question, I don't know. While I do not believe he is a detective, I also do not believe he is Yotsuba. At the same time, I don't believe he is doing the killing. However, there is value in lynching the "supporting cast" if only to remove their vote from the pool and remove their power from play. I would have no qualms lynching DharmaHelper.

I have actually been thinking about the SK thing myself, and was wondering whether the Kiras themselves actually care if all the rest die or not. Maybe in order to survive until the end, it's better for them to just help lynch the other Kiras and look better to all the rest. If that's the case, maybe we should actually be looking at the most aggressive or "case makers" (not including me :P ). I'm just not sure what is the best way to approach this game


linki: I have to side with DH on this, Epi. I don't think he's done anything that is out of the realm of a normal mafia game, and I feel like you're making it personal

I agree as it relates to the Yotsuba Kira. He is the one I would expect to want the others dead. But Light/X Kira/Misa I would think would want to worth together and cooperate.

Are you saying that because of what MP wrote as a quote from SVS?

Why would it be better for the three of them to work together? Sorry for not getting all the them related stuff

DharmaHelper wrote:Who was it that said Light could exert some level of mind control over his victims? I assume that is what happened to SVS.

What do you mean?



And any thoughts about what I said regarding the serial killer issue?

thellama73 wrote:I think everybody just needs to take a deep breath.

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epig, I actually read 90% of this. Sadly, I agreed with almost nothing. Maybe it's me, but I don't go and read all the details of the roles, but it doesn't make me a baddie, so I disagree with that. I can agree that he wasn't been too nice, but I can see his point when he's saying that he hoped that if you were a civ, it would make you wake up and do what needs to be done. I'm really trying to view this with an open mind.

I do want to ask you, you say you don't think he's a detective, but you keep saying that non Kiras are sort of potential civvies as well, so would you want to lynch him?

I didn't say that not reading the roles makes someone bad- I said that not reading the roles while pushing for a dangerous Day 0 option is anti-detective.

Given the unusual setup, FZ., I have had to take a different approach (mentally, not in the thread) in how to determine who is bad. I won't go into details, but it has been an interesting change of pace. For example, we're up against what is not traditionally a team, but a quartet of serial killers. That drives things hard into luck territory. There are a few people in this who have serial killer tells. However, I have not seen any of those.

For another example, unlike a typical Mafia with maybe a couple of secrets, this is rife with them, and these secrets are being leaked. One thing I've thought of is this: Now that we know a vote cast by a Kira victim will count that Day, what is to be made of the early voters?

Just something to think about. In regards to your question, I don't know. While I do not believe he is a detective, I also do not believe he is Yotsuba. At the same time, I don't believe he is doing the killing. However, there is value in lynching the "supporting cast" if only to remove their vote from the pool and remove their power from play. I would have no qualms lynching DharmaHelper.

I have actually been thinking about the SK thing myself, and was wondering whether the Kiras themselves actually care if all the rest die or not. Maybe in order to survive until the end, it's better for them to just help lynch the other Kiras and look better to all the rest. If that's the case, maybe we should actually be looking at the most aggressive or "case makers" (not including me :P ). I'm just not sure what is the best way to approach this game


linki: I have to side with DH on this, Epi. I don't think he's done anything that is out of the realm of a normal mafia game, and I feel like you're making it personal

I meant that literally. If MP wasn't my Funny or Die blood brother, and I hadn't had my reputation of rarely subbing out of games, and I didn't like Death Note as much, I'd be gone by now. Call it what you want considering my thoughts when Epi was all "fuck this noise", but I honestly can't take it. Misery loves company, eh?

I'm sorry you feel this way. For what it's worth, I like having you here and I think you're playing mafia like you should. I think Epi is just really frustrated (no matter the alignment), and I have no idea what yours is, but I don't think it should become personal, no matter what.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Epig, I actually read 90% of this. Sadly, I agreed with almost nothing. Maybe it's me, but I don't go and read all the details of the roles, but it doesn't make me a baddie, so I disagree with that. I can agree that he wasn't been too nice, but I can see his point when he's saying that he hoped that if you were a civ, it would make you wake up and do what needs to be done. I'm really trying to view this with an open mind.

I do want to ask you, you say you don't think he's a detective, but you keep saying that non Kiras are sort of potential civvies as well, so would you want to lynch him?

I didn't say that not reading the roles makes someone bad- I said that not reading the roles while pushing for a dangerous Day 0 option is anti-detective.

Given the unusual setup, FZ., I have had to take a different approach (mentally, not in the thread) in how to determine who is bad. I won't go into details, but it has been an interesting change of pace. For example, we're up against what is not traditionally a team, but a quartet of serial killers. That drives things hard into luck territory. There are a few people in this who have serial killer tells. However, I have not seen any of those.

For another example, unlike a typical Mafia with maybe a couple of secrets, this is rife with them, and these secrets are being leaked. One thing I've thought of is this: Now that we know a vote cast by a Kira victim will count that Day, what is to be made of the early voters?

Just something to think about. In regards to your question, I don't know. While I do not believe he is a detective, I also do not believe he is Yotsuba. At the same time, I don't believe he is doing the killing. However, there is value in lynching the "supporting cast" if only to remove their vote from the pool and remove their power from play. I would have no qualms lynching DharmaHelper.

I have actually been thinking about the SK thing myself, and was wondering whether the Kiras themselves actually care if all the rest die or not. Maybe in order to survive until the end, it's better for them to just help lynch the other Kiras and look better to all the rest. If that's the case, maybe we should actually be looking at the most aggressive or "case makers" (not including me :P ). I'm just not sure what is the best way to approach this game


linki: I have to side with DH on this, Epi. I don't think he's done anything that is out of the realm of a normal mafia game, and I feel like you're making it personal

Oops, somehow my sentence was cut in the middle. I agree that the case on DH is not helpful at all

Then there is Snowman who has played the epitome of playing safe until he was accused by his own wife. All his replies are jokey, which is something that seems to give off the impression of "I'm not that bothered". We often think that defensiveness means someone is a baddie, but I think more often civvies get more defensive when accused over and over again, while baddies try to keep calm, like they have nothing to hide.


I'm going to sum up some measures people used for suspecting them and see which one was higher on that measure and then try to some it up.

Playing it safe: Snowman
Defensiveness: By my book, Epi is more defensive therefore seems more genuine
Helpful: Epi. At least to some extent he advanced discussion and mechanics of the game and at the beginning actually looked at players. Sadly, I don't think he's been helpful in a long time. And I agree, that "case" on


I guess if I don't have more measures, I'll be going with Snowman

RIP SVS I really enjoyed playing with you. I have this little hope that you were fooling us and were bad, and Kira was fooled too, but I doubt that's the case.


If we think Epi can't be Kira because he's not playing a safe game, then I disagree. I can easily see how he started out playing a very safe game, and got dragged into a less safer game. if you think of what we expect from Epi, he can't lay low and not be himself. If a person doesn't act like we expect them to act, then they immediately get looked at (look at how people were suspicious of me because I wasn't aggressive as I'm allegedly supposed to be), so Epi had to at least try and be Epi. What does he do? Get into an argument with DH from the get go, yet says at that point that he doesn't necessarily believe he's bad. Then he picks Russ and goes after him while Russ appears to be unable to reply. Is that not safe? I don't know.

Even now he's made this huge (understatement of the year) post and he sums it up by saying he doesn't think DH is a detective. He doesn't say he thinks he's bad. But he was the one lecturing us about how the only people we're supposed to be concerned with are Kiras. So if you're not going to call him a Kira, what's the point of the big post?

Epig, I actually read 90% of this. Sadly, I agreed with almost nothing. Maybe it's me, but I don't go and read all the details of the roles, but it doesn't make me a baddie, so I disagree with that. I can agree that he wasn't been too nice, but I can see his point when he's saying that he hoped that if you were a civ, it would make you wake up and do what needs to be done. I'm really trying to view this with an open mind.

I do want to ask you, you say you don't think he's a detective, but you keep saying that non Kiras are sort of potential civvies as well, so would you want to lynch him?

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:This is a question that comes up frequently in situations such as this and I want to ask Zomberella:

You seem perfectly content to reap the rewards if Snowman is bad. Would you shoulder the blame if Snowman is good?

How does one really shoulder the blame? Would you want to lynch her if he comes out good? That would only help if she's bad. Not so much if she isn't. In any case, I said I wish BWT was a Kira or at least a Kira supporter, and that I wish I could call that lynch a good one. I settled for a "no civvie" which was what we lynched the day before.

Accountability is accountability. Would it not reflect poorly on her civvieness if she lead a lynch on her civvie husband? One whom she confesses is a pyschologist and able to contribute towards finding not only baddies, but (if she herself is a baddie) spotting her tells and such?

you never, as a civ, lynched a civ, right? Did you feel bad? I hope you did. Does it make you a baddie? I wish it did, because then the civvies wouldn't lose so much. The thing is, unlike other lynches, she's asking us to trust her on this without really giving a solid reason we can all understand. It boils down to her gut, or her conniving skills. Which is it? I have no idea. At this point, I feel it's the former.

I'm going out. I'll be back for a few minutes later, and I'll decide on my vote then. I guess it's still between those two


linki: agree with Zeek and TH...and DH.

Turnip Head wrote:At this point I'm inclined to agree that Snowman is acting pretty suspicious. Maybe Zomberella was able to see in one post what it took me twelve to see, but I think there's something fishy in how Snowman has approached the players who suspect him. He's dismissed and discredited, then finished up by calling out every single one of them as Kira even when that accusation basically makes no sense. I feel like we'd be seeing a different approach if he had a detective role, but to be honest I don't know him all that well, considering this is the first game I've played with him, and that's why I've been hesitant to judge him. I think his responses today have been weak, so I'm okay with his lynch, but what do I know?

That said, I am still just as convinced of Epi's badness, so I will not be changing my vote and I'm even more okay with his lynch.

I thought we can't change our votes

I just finished catching up. I just said I'll probably vote for Snowman. But there's another little thing bugging me. He's a smart person, it's easy to see. When everyone accuses you, it's not that smart to point the fingers back at the people pointing them at you. It will just get people to say you're more fishy. The crazy (at least to me) notion, that llama and Zomb are working together makes me think that maybe that's his honest opinions, because he'd have to be a real bad baddie to say stuff like that.

Okay, I'm going

Snowman wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Here it is in case you want to respond to it, Snowmonster.

thellama73 wrote:Made: my case on Snowman is that he said "I don't see discussion coalescing around anyone" on Day 1, which sounded to me like he was waiting for a bandwagon to hop on. Then he cast an easy vote for Trice after his lynch was already a certainty. Then he has been unwilling to post anything of substance to explain himself.

Of course, Llama's armchair psychoanalysis of the use of words like "bandwagon", "team", and "pianist". Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes people use words as their intended meaning, without reference to (or knowledge of) their context in this setting. IIRC, someone asked if I was looking for a bandwagon to join, and I joked (gasp) that I would if the right bandwagon came along.

So that's Llama's smoking gun, his big piece of evidence against me. It was clearly a joke, I even posted a big "join the bandwagon" banner.

Back to you, because your deflect and defer Kung Fu is weak. I've responded to your accusation, what about mine. I say you're Kira, your pals are too, and you've invented an anti-Snowman campaign to Wag the Dog and distract from actual Kira hunting. You would have motive, andKira BTSC would provide the type of coordination and cooperation that my some of my detractors seems to enjoy (if even to a small degree).

I say you've avoided direct discussion of your big "bandwagon bombshell" because it's weak as a baby and sounds more and more rediculous with repetition.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have others Trolls that need feeding.

Actually, now that I think of it, I think the best accusation regarding Snowman came from Epi a few days back(seems like he really did contribute ), when he compared the Donner game to this one and how Snowman played that game. And if someone else wants to say that it was a different kind of game and he had BTSC, I'd say again that it doesn't change the nature of a player. If someone is the kind to start pushing people and accuse, he'll do it because that's how he plays. And this is the first time Snowman has really said who he was suspicious of and why, and we're on day 3.
While I really hate that I was probably wrong to defend Snowman (though I started out suspecting him and everyone called me out on it ), I think I'm going to go with Snowman myself this time. His defence is doing nothing to me this time

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ah, good old anime quality. The cookie on the left doesn't even reach his mouth.

DharmaHelper wrote:This is a question that comes up frequently in situations such as this and I want to ask Zomberella:

You seem perfectly content to reap the rewards if Snowman is bad. Would you shoulder the blame if Snowman is good?

How does one really shoulder the blame? Would you want to lynch her if he comes out good? That would only help if she's bad. Not so much if she isn't. In any case, I said I wish BWT was a Kira or at least a Kira supporter, and that I wish I could call that lynch a good one. I settled for a "no civvie" which was what we lynched the day before.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions

On Day 1, I wasn't going to throw my vote away. On Day 2, I made up my mind at the last second to try to save bwt, because I thought the lynch on him was bullshit, especially supported by some of the "let them defend themselves first" mindset. Snowman had a chance and did not, but poor bwt just came home to find out he was lynched. Bullshit.

If any of you do decide to follow DharmaHelper's vote, I want you to keep in mind a few things. First, he and I argued a bit about accountability, and I argued that some people would try to dodge accountability for their vote. DH said that everyone would be accountable for their votes. However, DH framed it so that anything I did could result in him voting for me (if I voted Russ on Day 1, I was just trying to keep my hands clean, but if I didn't vote Russ, then I wasn't following through on my suspicion). Now he says that he's okay voting me even if I'm not bad because I'm dead weight. I don't get offended by things people say, but that stung a little.

DharmaHelper has freed himself of any responsibility voting for me. He doesn't care if I'm Kira. He just wants me gone. Anyway, if your rationale for voting me is that I'm "dead weight," then what is stopping you from voting Snowman? If I get lynched instead of him, then that means someone who really is not contributing gets another pass, and my game will be over. I think that sucks.

My reasoning is not that you're dead weight, but that you haven't been saying who is suspicious in your eyes. Even now, you say DH wants you gone, and doesn't care what you are. Did you call him a baddie for it? Not that I've seen. There was me, but you've backed off for the last day or so, there's SVS, but you're not going with that too, and of course there was Russ, but nothing happened with that either. Then you say Zombarella isn't good, but I don't see you doing something with that. I am honestly trying to figure out where you stand on people. Who you trust, who you don't, who you think we should lynch- basic mafia stuff. I get being pissed, I do, but you have to move beyond that in order to a. not get lynched and b. actually help the civvies win, if that's what you want.
Don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for you. Tell me who you think I should vote for and why (or who you are going to vote for).

I always play Epi's games. Rarely do I actually get to play with him, so I'm hearing the two sides, but I'm finding it hard to decide.

Going to bed, but I'd love to get an answer to my question above.

Bye

By the way, how do the Kira get a DN? Do they go out looking for it in other players' hands? Or does MP give it to them if they manage to do something...like keep silent for 2 days without being lynched, or vote for the same person everyday, or be the first to vote. I don't know.

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:Spacedaisy, hopefully you'll be here in time to answer this question: do you think Zombrella and llama are right about Snowman?

llama, I'm feeling the same way though it's not because he mistakenly said I'm a Yotsuba. Don't you think he would fight harder if he were civvie?

lol boo, maybe so, maybe so.

I feel like he reads remarkably like I felt when I was on the verge of getting lynched. Frustrated, certain that the baddies will win, and a bit disgusted with the civs for not doing better. I think that is a civ reaction, not a baddie one.

I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions, and instead of helping find baddies, or at least suggesting them, he focuses on arguing, and posting posts no one can really get. I don't want to lynch a civ EPi, but he's not being helpful at all. And I get being too frustrated to care and feeling like pissing on everyone. But if feels like he's been like that on and off from the start of the game. I don't know what to do with him

I don't find that out of character for him.

linki FZ:

Out of civ character or bad? If that's how he plays every game, god help him :P If you think he does that as a civ as well, than I guess I'll stick with trusting him for now.

Is there a recruiting role here that recruits everyone to the nut house?

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:Spacedaisy, hopefully you'll be here in time to answer this question: do you think Zombrella and llama are right about Snowman?

llama, I'm feeling the same way though it's not because he mistakenly said I'm a Yotsuba. Don't you think he would fight harder if he were civvie?

lol boo, maybe so, maybe so.

I feel like he reads remarkably like I felt when I was on the verge of getting lynched. Frustrated, certain that the baddies will win, and a bit disgusted with the civs for not doing better. I think that is a civ reaction, not a baddie one.

I feel that too, but you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't followed any of his suspicions, and instead of helping find baddies, or at least suggesting them, he focuses on arguing, and posting posts no one can really get. I don't want to lynch a civ EPi, but he's not being helpful at all. And I get being too frustrated to care and feeling like pissing on everyone. But if feels like he's been like that on and off from the start of the game. I don't know what to do with him

This game is frustrating as hell

There are over 24 hours to deadline. Why is everyone in a hurry to vote?

I would be inclined to trust Zombarella on Snowman, because I believe she is capable of knowing him better than anyone. Just like Epi knows when Elo is bad. It will suck if I turn out to be the one who prevented his lynch the first time, but if it gets a baddie lynched, I'll live with the shame.

Zombarella. While I get how one post by him can give you the bad vibe, could he also be Yotsuba or an indie role? Because if he isn't playing naturally, and feels the need to hide something he's afraid you'll recognize, isn't a non Kira option at all likely in your opinion?

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
One lingering thing for me since D2 was the way FZ. led the BWT lynch. I think Llama called her on trying to manipulate the last hour of voting. For me, it's more the wording of her posts back then. I don't think I've ever seen so far somebody lobbying for players to "stop" voting for someone (in this case Snowman) or to "please consider" voting for the one she wants lynched (in this case BWT). Adding to that: her obvious disapproval and row with Epig, finding his wasting his vote and such. I am aware that many are feeling better about her right now, probably because she started being the more active player people expected (in which case she either is indeed warming up her usual gameplay or adapting to the requests), but what happened back then still pinged me completely, I'd say.

Unlike Boo, when I think someone is wrongfully being lynched, I'm going to do everything I can to stop it, even at the risk of looking bad. And sometimes I do end up looking bad because that person turns out bad. With all that's been going on the last day regarding Snowman's behaviour and Zomba's feelings about him, I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong.
But I would really like to know what you think I would gain from doing such an obvious and strong interfering?

I cannot project speculation on what would you gain from interfering with the vote on him, but I had seen no signals from your posts as to why Snowman is such a special case of "wrongfully being lynched" that you would need to be so imperative. But as I've said, the wording itself seemed to me so entirely uncharacteristic from any voting instance I've witness so far in gaming.

What can I say? I'm unique
I don't know. it was a vibe thing. I read his defence vote and it just seemed genuine to me, and BWT's vote seemed so easy that it pinged the hell out of me. From that point on, it was easy

Turnip Head wrote:Epi I honestly have no idea where you stand on anyone other than you think I'm a shinigami, juliets is Yotsuba, that SVS is not Penber or something, and who can forget your Day 1 case on Russ. None of these tell me who you think Kira is. And yet you keep stressing the importance of finding Kira, and how improbable it is that the detectives will succeed. You seem disinterested in actually helping find Kira, if you ask me, which I know you didn't. But this is not your civvie MO at all.

Very good point. He also seems like he's just looking for reasons not to tell us who he thinks is bad.

zeek wrote:Really? That's all the two of you have to say?

I suspect both of you, but I doubt it'd help to lynch either

Turnip Head wrote:You sound pretty upset Zeek.

That people don't have to give reasons and be open to discussion? Damn right. Clearly you're playing a different game to me and you don't need to do any thought on your vote. I think I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

TH is playing a very different game from himself as well. But never in all my games with him (not that many, but enough), and I think I was on to his baddie behaviours earlier than most players when he was bad, had he acted like this. I think he would try a lot harder. I don't think he has it in him to be a careless baddie. I'm not saying he can't be an indie role or something other than a civ, but I can't see him being that kind of baddie.

MM, on the other hand, is a different story. I don't think I know how he plays. Though both MM and TH have voted early in all days, so I keep wondering if it's a role requirement or something.

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:The only difference I can see between baddies here and in regular games is that they are mostly alone, and as such, they don't have team mates telling them to come post, or defending them. So in that sense, they might try to post just the amount to seem like they are doing something, but not enough to get into the line of fire. Hmm, I guess you might have a point

I think what you might be describing here is MetalMarsh. I agree with SVS that his posts have felt fluffy.

MM always seems fluffy to me. Does he seem that way more than usual?

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:AceofSpaces
Bass_the_Clever
bea
Black Rock
boo
DisgruntledPorcupine
Made
Russtifinko
Snowman
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1


Have these players posted this day? Out of them, some barely said much in the last few days. Not good

Made in particular has me worried. He's usually much more active than this. Remember what I said earlier about blendiness? No? OKay, I'll pull the quote.

<hang on........rebuffering....>

thellama73 wrote:I think that's an excellent point, Epi. How would someone act if they just wanted to survive until they get a kill? I'd like the opinions of others, but I think the answer to this lies in blendiness. Blendiness is key this game. Also, SNowman is stilll my top suspect.

linki TH: I disagree.

The thing is, blendiness is the key in every game. No one wants to be the main discussion, for good or for bad because that would either get a person lynched or NK, so I don't know if I agree with this. You want to appear as you always do, or you'll get called out for acting different.
Take Eloh for example, she is posting like she usually is, and I keep thinking that my not great feelings concerning her are just my usual. Hence I've not said anything about her yet. She seems a lot more blendy to me, yet she always does.

The only difference I can see between baddies here and in regular games is that they are mostly alone, and as such, they don't have team mates telling them to come post, or defending them. So in that sense, they might try to post just the amount to seem like they are doing something, but not enough to get into the line of fire. Hmm, I guess you might have a point


linki: I guess you were too blendy, BR :P

AceofSpaces
Bass_the_Clever
bea
Black Rock
boo
DisgruntledPorcupine
Made
Russtifinko
Snowman
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1


Have these players posted this day? Out of them, some barely said much in the last few days. Not good

By the way, DH said he was going back to being vocal and "leading" us like we obviously need, but I don't see anything worth while from him.