The Syndicate

So MM isn't Mr. King. What do you think about him now, Snow?
And do you think DF as a lemon, would vote LC.

He was the second one to vote MR. At that time, DF had one vote, LC had one, and MR had one. He could have easily chosen LC or even another person, since no one had 2 votes. It wouldn't be that weird.

I thought we decided Simon vouched for Tink.

Splints, I quoted the wrong post. I asked you if you think MM's vote makes him a baddie or not?

Who among DF, BR, and Splints, is most likely to throw a team mate under the bus?

Sorry, I put inside the post. I asked, if we didn't get anything since, doesn't that mean it's not him?

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:I seriously doubt that LC is on MR's team. At the time MR had 3 votes, LC had one (Dom) and DF had one (Ambray). He chose to put his vote on LC. If they were working together, why not put his vote on DF? So if anyone was working with MR out of the two, it's DF.

So that leaves LC to possibly be Chicks, but I see nothing supporting it more than any other player for the moment, so I don't get the votes on LC. Which makes me very worried.

Also, I saw this role and I wonder, could he force people to vote what he wants them to vote?
Professor Z
Rewires cars to work for him. *Secret*

Why isn't anyone here when I finally am?
I have never been forced to vote. Anyway, as I believe LC to be possibly Chicks I guess he is potentially handy to have around. So I'll vote elsewhere.

My biggest suspects are DF and BR.
If we didn't get any since, wouldn't that mean it's not him?
The people who I don't think belong to the lemons, are you, Tink LC and me, naturally. Which leaves: DF, Splints, MM and BR.

Splints, BR and DF voted for MR, and MM voted for BR that day. But he could have saved MR if he is a baddie, though maybe he couldn't be here. What hours is MM usually here?

Then, there's the question of Ambray's real identity. Do you think LC is lying about her being the real Lightning? Why would he do that? If he isn't lying, look at the people who voted for her:
MM, Dom, DF and BR. The same people we can not decide on. Hmm

It's a pickle, no doubt about it. I've been looking at the polls and it's hard to pin anyone down.
I have a feeling MM is civ. Because as soon as BWT was rezzed we had a message from a character we hadn't previously had one from. Or since worringly.

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:I seriously doubt that LC is on MR's team. At the time MR had 3 votes, LC had one (Dom) and DF had one (Ambray). He chose to put his vote on LC. If they were working together, why not put his vote on DF? So if anyone was working with MR out of the two, it's DF.

So that leaves LC to possibly be Chicks, but I see nothing supporting it more than any other player for the moment, so I don't get the votes on LC. Which makes me very worried.

Also, I saw this role and I wonder, could he force people to vote what he wants them to vote?
Professor Z
Rewires cars to work for him. *Secret*

Why isn't anyone here when I finally am?
I have never been forced to vote. Anyway, as I believe LC to be possibly Chicks I guess he is potentially handy to have around. So I'll vote elsewhere.

My biggest suspects are DF and BR.

The people who I don't think belong to the lemons, are you, Tink LC and me, naturally. Which leaves: DF, Splints, MM and BR.

Splints, BR and DF voted for MR, and MM voted for BR that day. But he could have saved MR if he is a baddie, though maybe he couldn't be here. What hours is MM usually here?

Then, there's the question of Ambray's real identity. Do you think LC is lying about her being the real Lightning? Why would he do that? If he isn't lying, look at the people who voted for her:
MM, Dom, DF and BR. The same people we can not decide on. Hmm

FZ. wrote:
Tink wrote:
FZ. wrote:Tink, so you think LC is on the baddie team, and DF Chicks?
Yes. The only thing bothering me is that Long Con voted for Mister Reannager. Would he vote for a teammate?
Did you read what I wrote about MR voting for LC when DF had the same number of votes? So the question is not only would LC vote for a team mate, but would MR do the same when he had no reason to do so?

So do you think it makes him bad or not? Also, can you say why you've been less helpful this game?

Tink wrote:
FZ. wrote:Tink, so you think LC is on the baddie team, and DF Chicks?
Yes. The only thing bothering me is that Long Con voted for Mister Reannager. Would he vote for a teammate?

Did you read what I wrote about MR voting for LC when DF had the same number of votes? So the question is not only would LC vote for a team mate, but would MR do the same when he had no reason to do so?

fingersplints wrote:I am here!
I think those are very good points. Do you think one of those votes for LC is forced?

What do you think?

About everything I mean. Who do you think is bad?

I seriously doubt that LC is on MR's team. At the time MR had 3 votes, LC had one (Dom) and DF had one (Ambray). He chose to put his vote on LC. If they were working together, why not put his vote on DF? So if anyone was working with MR out of the two, it's DF.

So that leaves LC to possibly be Chicks, but I see nothing supporting it more than any other player for the moment, so I don't get the votes on LC. Which makes me very worried.

Also, I saw this role and I wonder, could he force people to vote what he wants them to vote?
Professor Z
Rewires cars to work for him. *Secret*

Why isn't anyone here when I finally am?

Tink, so you think LC is on the baddie team, and DF Chicks?

MM, why did you vote LC? Sorry if I missed your explanation

This is how the MR's lynch went:

Long Con
5
Dom (3), Mister Rearranger (10), Ambray (11), Tink (15), Snow Dog (16)
29%

Mister Rearranger
6
Simon (7), DFaraday (8), FZ. (9), Long Con (12), Black Rock (14), fingersplints (17)
35%

Black Rock
1
Metalmarsh89 (4)
6%

And this is how the last lynch went:

Ambray
5
Dom (2), Metalmarsh89 (3), Long Con (5), DFaraday (6), Black Rock (9)
38%

Black Rock
0
No votes

DFaraday
3
Ambray (4), Snow Dog (12), Tink (13)
23%

Dom
1
FZ. (10)
8%

MM, why did you vote BR on the first lynch, and why did you change it to Ambray the following lynch?

I want to think about this for a minute, but welcome any analysis of these two lynches back to back

LC, I don't think that the secret Chicks has is surviving a night kill. I think it has something to do with the "hate ties", and I don't see how surviving a kill is related. If that's your main reasoning for thinking DF is a baddie, then I'd have to agree with him that there are better explanations for surviving the NK.

The way I see it, I think Chicks would want to keep a low profile, if he stands a chance of being the last one standing. He can't be too "in your face" or annoy anyone, nor can he be too quiet, though those who want to lynch the quiet ones have already been NK, and if I'm not wrong, they were killed by Chicks (llama, MP for example). So BR and Splints are certainly a possibility. Moreover, Chicks killed Dom tonight, and if he listened to me, he killed a person that I thought was a baddie. Who among the players was more likely to listen to me?

Splints, why are you failing? Have you been travelling a lot lately? Or is there another reason you're not contributing?

But I think that it's more important that we focus on the baddie team today.

DFaraday wrote:My analysis of the past couple of lynches is baffling, to say the least.

Tink voted for MR, and Simon, who was apparently civ, vouched for her, so I think Tink is alright.

MM replaced BWT, who was killed by Grem and then rezzed, so he's almost certainly not part of the baddie team. It looks like Chick killed while BWT was dead, so MM can't be him either.

Splints cast the deciding vote on MR, so she's almost certainly not on the bad team.

BR voted for MR, so she has that in her favor. Otherwise I have no real opinion on BR.

Snowy voted for LC, then in the most recent lynch voted Ambray, then abruptly switched back to me. I know he seems to have had a connection to Made, but his recent behavior does give me pause.

FZ is one I need to look at in the morning, when I'm more fully energized.

LC I'm pretty sure is not on the bad team (although if he is then I'd need to rethink everything I've done up til now).

This is a good analysis.
I was under the assumption that the two civs who could communicate are Made and Snow, but Simon vouched for Tink. Who are the two townies with BTSC?

I can see LC as Chicks, as well as Splints, you and BR, and less as MR's team.
If Snow wasn't lying, he's a civ.

By the way, wasn't there a silencer or something in the game? I remember both Roxy and MP being quiet for a whole day, and saying something about it. If so, we haven't seen anyone silenced recently that I noticed, so if there was, maybe it means a baddie was NK.
Also, do you think Sally is still alive? I would really like your thoughts on that.

Sorry, but I won't be here for the next 30 hours.

Meh, I need to go to sleep so I'm just going to randomize my vote

So calling the truck a Mack is an insult? Are we supposed to choose someone we don't trust?
What if the night polls determine the races somehow?

Splints, you haven't shared any thoughts since I came back. Care to tell us what you think?

Also, who are you guys voting for tonight? I have no idea what this means?

And I'll be back later

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:RIP Ambray
I'm really sorry you got lynched, and I'm really sorry the civvies didn't change the votes after what I said.

There are 7 players left. It's Chicks Hicks' turn to kill tonight. The way I see it, there may be only 3 civvies still alive at this point. Chicks, if you kill a civ tonight, you lose because the lemons might become the majority and lynch you next day and win the game. If you stand to have some chance, it's if you try and kill a baddie tonight. The civvies only know about themselves, but the baddies know about all team, so the chances of getting you are higher.
There are nine players left.

LOL, I counted twice. I have no idea how I got 7. Anyway, you didn't have to say it out loud. It was better that Chicks thought what I said was true

. Seriously though, I still think at this point, it's better for him to get rid of the baddies.

Dom, apart from that weird reaction you gave to my vote, you said nothing to answer my question. How am I not supposed to find you scummy?

RIP Ambray

I'm really sorry you got lynched, and I'm really sorry the civvies didn't change the votes after what I said.

There are 7 players left. It's Chicks Hicks' turn to kill tonight. The way I see it, there may be only 3 civvies still alive at this point. Chicks, if you kill a civ tonight, you lose because the lemons might become the majority and lynch you next day and win the game. If you stand to have some chance, it's if you try and kill a baddie tonight. The civvies only know about themselves, but the baddies know about all team, so the chances of getting you are higher.

Although, I have to admit that her insistent vote on DF sounds like a baddie thing rtoo. I guess my vote doesn't matter much...

I have to go to sleep, I'm falling asleep on my laptop,I really hope you all know what you're doing here. There are good reasons to see her as a baddie, but something is preventing me from doing it. I'm going to go with Dom because he just doesn't make sense to me,and the fact that he voted first for LC, makes me think we might be looking at a baddie who like to vote early on.

*Votes Dom*

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:Out of 10 players left, one being Ambray herself, 6 already voted Ambray and 3 haven't voted yet. Since I know I'm not a baddie, I have to wonder about this.
There are 3 options here:
1. This is a set up and Ambray is a civ
2. Since a baddie looks to be going down, one of team is bandwagoning, and if so, it's probably one of the last voters
3. Splints and Tink are the remaining baddies with Ambray.

# 3 seems the least likely. I doubt Splints is a lemon after how the last lynch went through. Not sure about Tink though. Someone said SImon vouched for TInk which would probably make them have BTSC. If that's true, then what happened to Made and SnowDog?
So I wonder if it's the first option or the second. I think BR isn't a baddie with MR because he was one of the first to vote him. So I'm at a loss
Gosh FZ, I'm not sure about Ambrie at all. What do you think of DF and LC as candidates?

As a baddie in general or as part of MR's team? If LC is a baddie on MR's team, the only ones to vote something else was MetalMarsh, and I have no idea why he voted BR, but wouldn't he try to start a discussion or something to move the votes? Also he was the fourth to vote. I think that if LC is a baddie, more chances he's Chicks Hicks. As for DF, he was the second to vote MR, so not the first one that comes to mind when looking for someone who worked with MR.
What do you think about Dom? I don't get anything he's doing this game?

Long Con wrote:So I was thining maybe the Lap Times have something to do with the Night Polls. Like, maybe there's no winner per se of a Night Poll, but each vote a person gets helps the speed of their racer. It would be interesting to revisit. Are racers with two dead players as their pit crew falling behind? Should I be voting for my crew partner? Is that person even still alive? I'd have to go and look.

Anyway, voting Ambray now. Sorry Ambray, but you were part of the 'save MR' crew, and ya gots ta go! Not to mention that you might already be gone due to Internet issues. Is this, like, a punishment your dad is implementing? What did you do? Pretty harsh. I understand that you don't like the way some have played this game. I hope my own gameplay has been satisfactory, but I would welcome some constructive criticism on the gameplay as a whole when all is said and done. Maybe we can collectively take some lessons to heart and boost the Civvie chances around here!

This bothers me. You're saying that when all is said and done, you'd like some criticism to boost the chances of a civ win. This seems like you are acknowledging she's a civ.

Out of 10 players left, one being Ambray herself, 6 already voted Ambray and 3 haven't voted yet. Since I know I'm not a baddie, I have to wonder about this.
There are 3 options here:
1. This is a set up and Ambray is a civ
2. Since a baddie looks to be going down, one of team is bandwagoning, and if so, it's probably one of the last voters
3. Splints and Tink are the remaining baddies with Ambray.

# 3 seems the least likely. I doubt Splints is a lemon after how the last lynch went through. Not sure about Tink though. Someone said SImon vouched for TInk which would probably make them have BTSC. If that's true, then what happened to Made and SnowDog?
So I wonder if it's the first option or the second. I think BR isn't a baddie with MR because he was one of the first to vote him. So I'm at a loss

I'm going to sleep. I won't be here much tomorrow, but I'll stop by to decide who to vote for

fingersplints wrote:
FZ. wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I don't get why Ambray is so fed up tbh :/ It seems like baddie backed in to a corner, but I dont know. I guess I will wait and see how she responds to FZs comments first
The fed up is not what bothers me. Why is it that every time someone is not as enthusiastic about the game in this site, people automatically assume it's a baddie saying it? Sometimes, for example, people are frustrated when they're constantly being accused and they are just fed up with people not listening to them.

Anyway, what bothers me about what Ambray says is the fact she associated between her feelings toward the game, and the way we perceive her. The thing is, we can't afford to lynch a civ, so I don't want to vote for her just because she's fed up and might not answer. I hope she does.
I don't think anytime someone is not enthusiastic about a game that it means they are a baddie. I think that sometimes baddies get annoyed when caught, especially if they perceive it is for lousy reasons.

That's true, but I think civs get at least as annoyed when they are strongly suspected for no good reason (in their eyes). I don't think this is the case, because she didn't seem to get annoyed, but rather indifferent. But maybe I'm reading it wrong.
I also know that she switched her vote to LC "just because". I wonder if she wouldn't try to "build a case" if she's bandwagoning and bad, and not just change it like that. Seems like a really bad slip, and unlike MP, I think that baddies seldom slip that badly.

MetalMarsh, I saw you said Tink voted for MR in one of the polls where it seemed un called for, and you don't think a baddie would do that. Could be. The question is, was he really at a risk of getting lynched due to that vote? If so, I might agree with you.
Also, can you please remind me why you voted for BR on the lynch poll?

By the way, are Tink and Simon Epi's kids, because I kind of missed that if they are

Dom, I'm still waiting for your answer.

fingersplints wrote:I don't get why Ambray is so fed up tbh :/ It seems like baddie backed in to a corner, but I dont know. I guess I will wait and see how she responds to FZs comments first

The fed up is not what bothers me. Why is it that every time someone is not as enthusiastic about the game in this site, people automatically assume it's a baddie saying it? Sometimes, for example, people are frustrated when they're constantly being accused and they are just fed up with people not listening to them.

Anyway, what bothers me about what Ambray says is the fact she associated between her feelings toward the game, and the way we perceive her. The thing is, we can't afford to lynch a civ, so I don't want to vote for her just because she's fed up and might not answer. I hope she does.

Ambray wrote:For those that know me outside of mafia and know what a crap excuse of a father I have - he has cancelled our internet and phone in the house but won't tell us when it'll be cut off. So if I don't check in, then I guess you'll have to replace me.

Sorry to hear

Ambray wrote:I may be suspicious but that's because I am fed up of this game.

2 votes already? Where's the random person coming to vouch for me from nowhere? That's the thing this game, isn't it?

I'm voting DF for same reasons as before.

Why are you fed up with the game, and how does that influence you becoming suspicious? What changed in your behaviour since you got fed up that makes you look more suspicious?

RIP simon

Dom, I have to say, I'm not getting the focus on you. How can you say someone wants you lynched, when in fact, when have you been close to a lynch? This is just strange to me. It's like you're making something out of nothing.
Aside from MP who you say was suspicious of you, who else was?

DFaraday wrote:I voted Snowy on this poll just because.

Do you think the poll is for a good thing?

Yes! Finally a baddie.

Now, I assume that if LC is a baddie too, he's not on MR's team...duh

Question is, who among those who voted for LC was trying to save MR.

Ambray changed just because....
Tink, said she voted LC because he voted for MP many times and she thinks he was good. But what do you know, in the lynch before this one, she voted MP herself.
And we had Snow dog who left it for someone else to decide by making it a tie between them

I'd say Tink feels pretty guilty to me

I'm off...for real

And MR, as much as I wanted to move my vote, you have given me no reason to. Not only do you not have a solid suspicion on anyone (something you seem to fault others for), you're not even suggesting we lynch anyone else

I took a shower and am passing by on my way to bed.
Ambray, sure, I hold a grudge

...but that's not why I'm thinking of voting you.
I think baddies try to vote early instead of later so they don't seem like they bandwagon. You were an early voter in many of the lynches.
It's interesting that you moved your vote to LC. What happened to make you feel he's a baddie? Is it a gut thing too?

MR, last chance before I'm really going. Do you want to vote for Ambray?

Yeah, because I'm stupid that way, and want to make sure I'm voting for the right person...and I'm writing some emails

Mister Rearranger wrote:Voting LC now. His vote to save himself if need be would put me at 4. So I'd literally need every remaining player to vote with me on this to have a chance at living.

Seeing as some of those players haven't even been participating, I'm not in the high hopes mood right now.

Bandwagons are one thing, but bandwagons without any attempt at disguising them with cases don't sit well with me.

Well, so much for giving me a good reason for voting someone else

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Simon wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:I ballsed up pretty bad twice now. I'm so sorry Made. I officially can't read you for the life of me. Snow, I apologize as well.

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other
I'm certainly narrowing down suspects now. He's top of that list.

Via process of trust elimination: SoFi, BR, yourself, and LC fit the bill for either Chick or an active team baddie at a glance.
You never talked about DFaraday and you voted for Made.

Are you Professor Z? Are you on a team with DFaraday?
No and no.

I have DF pegged as civ. I thought I knew what was going on with you yesterday, but I suppose not.

Are you a recruit?

FZ: I don't know how I've played an under the radar game. I've certainly been participating less than I want to, since my work days got busier, but I 've stuck my neck out there at least twice on lynch votes. There was a day where I posted at least 3 times in succession trying to create discussion and hotbox else seemed to be participating. I fully expected suspicion after your first lynch and Roxy's. You're considering a vote for me because others didn't earlier?

LC: As far as I'm aware, there has been no formal case or analysis of my posts. Just Simon claiming I'm a role and some subtle working of my name into suspicion lists from MP before he died and now you.

So who would you vote for and why? I'm out of here in 2 minutes, so if there's any chance I'm going to move my vote, it has to be a good reason

Not sure about them being baddies together, because they made their votes together too obvious, though MP kept saying that she voted like him and he thought that was strange.
I hope we finally get a baddie with this lynch, I'm voting MR

Oh crap, I just realized the poll ends tonight, and I need to go to sleep.
I want to vote MR, but I also want to hear what DF has to say

Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other
How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?
Timing has been awfully convenient for you.
How so?
Is it me, or do you use the confused smiley quite often? I saw you are suspicious of MP. He's gone. Who else are you suspicious of and why?
It's just you. I've only used the confused smiley one other time in this game:

My bad. Apparently, it's this smiley:

I've counted about 10 uses of it. Just seems like a non committal thing to do. Can you explain it?

Ambray wrote:"I don't see how your previous lynches were based on any evidence." There would be your presumption.

I was pinged by a post of his earlier this game, one I didn't quote at the time. When I went back to find it, I couldn't identify which it was and I actually felt better about him. However, I've thought about it today and wonder if I feel better about him because his posts are very hard to find anything in, I felt - it's a very careful game.

I've felt bad from him most of the game. I talked myself out of voting him yesterday. We've yet to lynch a baddie because of being swayed by what has been brought up in the thread - I'm sticking with my gut this time.

Well, I disagree that it was my presumption. I know that my lynch had nothing to do with evidence, nor was Roxy's lynch, and you had Snow Dog practically begging people not to vote Made and vouching for him. The fact people convince themselves there's evidence, doesn't mean there is.

I can agree on him being careful. That's why I'm thinking of voting for him too, but I don't remember playing with him, so I have no idea if it's not how he usually plays.
What do you think about MR? Has his game not been guarded?

linki: I have no memory of anything he's said or done

I just don't have the time to go read everything I missed. I know it sucks, but that's the way it is. Sorry

Dom wrote:
FZ. wrote:Dom, why are you suspicious of LC? Can you elaborate a little?
I believe he wanted MP and I to fight each other in the thread.

How so?

Ambray wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ambray wrote:The fact that thread evidence has got us nowhere and we are yet to lynch a baddie - I'm going with my gut. I know I talked myself out of it yesterday, but I'm sticking with it now - voting DF.
I don't see how your previous lynches were based on any evidence. This seems like a really good excuse to just lynch anyone, because heck, it's your gut feeling, so no need to actually explain your vote. If you have explained it in previous days, I apologize, but is there anything besides "gut". Your track record isn't any better than yours, so why does your gut tell you he's bad?
You are obviously yet to read the thread, so I'll let you catch up before I reply to your presumptions.

I just said I haven't. I read only a little. That's why I asked if you could say why you think he's bad.

Dom, why are you suspicious of LC? Can you elaborate a little?

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other
How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?
Timing has been awfully convenient for you.
How so?

Is it me, or do you use the confused smiley quite often? I saw you are suspicious of MP. He's gone. Who else are you suspicious of and why?

Ambray wrote:The fact that thread evidence has got us nowhere and we are yet to lynch a baddie - I'm going with my gut. I know I talked myself out of it yesterday, but I'm sticking with it now - voting DF.

I don't see how your previous lynches were based on any evidence. This seems like a really good excuse to just lynch anyone, because heck, it's your gut feeling, so no need to actually explain your vote. If you have explained it in previous days, I apologize, but is there anything besides "gut". Your track record isn't any better than yours, so why does your gut tell you he's bad?

Sorry you died just when I came back, MP

Anyway, looking back, I think at this stage, I'm between MR and DF. Will talk about it more tomorrow, cause I'm going to bed now

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