The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Here we go!! Wow, this took a LONG time. Players' names in red are ones I feel I need to re-read all of their posts to re-assess.

A Person - Slightly leaning civvie - Has had some good insights, mostly in the beginning of the game. Despite that, his behavior has been a bit defiant and seemingly purposefully nontraditional, although nothing particularly uncharacteristic. I would like to hear a bit more from him, but he hasn't set off any alarm bells from me at all, and he did survive that D1 lynch, which could mean anything (but more possibilities suggest a civvie explanation). I don't know him and while I see no reason to suspect him, I honestly don't get what he brings to the table from that kind of play. Now you reminded me, he's the person that was lynched and the lynch didn't go through. I really can't read him because I think he's making it his job to be hard to read

Bass_the_Clever - Slightly leaning baddie - His randomized vote for Daisy on D1 combined with his bandwagon votes for Mongoose and Russ make me wonder about him, as he seems to be just trying to blend in. But I've only played one other game with him and his recent response to why he voted Mongoose seemed genuine. The blending in is what I'm getting from him. Saying we need to consider low posters is a given yet an easy way out, so it doesn't help in any way. Those sort of comments make me suspicious

Boomslang - Somewhat slightly leaning civvie - Posting at about a normal frequency and with typical commentary that I would expect from him. No reason to believe he's bad, but hardly any particular reason to believe he's civvie either. I have nothing. Don't remember anything from him.

Bullzeye - Firmly leaning civvie - Has been posting with frequency and insight that I would expect from him. Can be a really tricksy baddie, but I don't have any reason to believe he's doing that here. Seems reasonable and I believe he is genuinely civvie-minded. might be the person I feel is most civvie. He's posts come off as genuine, I like the way he's thinking most of the time, and even when I don't agree with his suspicions, I get where they are coming from

Captain Bunny Killer - ?????? - Can't tell at all. She has hardly posted, but I know she was with me all this past weekend and has been really busy spending time with family. Not much mafia experience to base an opinion off of, since she's only played one game and subbed out of another. She didn't post much in Homestar, but she did become more comfortable as the game winded down. Don't remember much from her, but I assume that if this is indeed her first game, if she is a baddie, her team would encourage her to post more.

Devin the Omniscient - Slightly leaning civvie - Seems to be playing a style that is really similar to his performance in Homestar Runner. I firmly believed him to be civvie earlier on in the game based on: this fact (that he is acting like his civvie self, not his baddie self), his responses to people bringing him up (seemed like genuine frustration), but I find myself questioning. I don't understand why he bandwagoned onto Mongoose and now seems to be gunning for Epig and S~V~S, but I know he is really busy and seems very distracted/frustrated to me.I think it is Devin that asked to be lynched. I questioned him on that, and his responses made me feel much better about him. It felt like a frustrated civ. I can see a baddie saying lynch me for trusting Epig and hoping to get people to think that a baddie wouldn't ask to be lynched. Because let's face it, we usually don't lynch people who ask to be lynched. Still, leaning toward civvie.

DisgruntledPorcupine - Slightly leaning baddie - Has been pretty absent, although I have certainly seen him do this before. I would say he is ?????, but the fact that he did bandwagon onto Mongoose does strike me as unlike civvie DP.I don't remember anything from him, but I think someone brought him up. Maybe Bullzeye when trying to look at the people who voted Mongoose. I think it made me think DP's reasoning for voting her were scummy, so I'll agree on that. But I hope I'm referring to the right person

Dom - ????? - Voted for him on Day 1 because I thought he subtly pushed the suspicion against Mongoose without appearing too obvious. His response seemed legit. He's actually completely fallen off my radar since for some reason, and now I'm left just really unsure about him. I forgot he's playing. I remember he was a lot more active when the game started, and now, I didn't even remember him. I usually tend to think that baddies find it a lot easier to be more active in the beginning when they don't have to explain their actions, so maybe there's something there

Elohcin - Slightly leaning civvie - Seems like her normal civvie self and Epig vouches for her, and I think Epig is civvie. I would like to hear more from her, but I do know she's busy and in two mafia games. I didn't like her vote, but there are others whose votes I didn't like. And I can't argue with Epig's instincts on this, and even if he's not a civvie, I can see him saying she's good to get on her good side and make it look like he's a civ

Epignosis - Firmly leaning civvie - Was very unsure at first since Epig is always aggressive regardless of alignment, but I have become convinced more over time that I am likely seeing a civvie Epig. Seems very focused on scumhunting, questioning of others' intentions, and civvie-minded. This might be our biggest dispute. I know I don't know him, but from seeing him host the other game and how creative it is, plus from what I've seen from him so far, it seems as though he's a gutsy, crazy, will do the unconventional things in the game, kind of player. Out of everyone here, he's the one I can see leading two lynches no matter the consequences, hoping we'd think he wouldn't do that if he were a baddie. Plus, he seems like a smart guy and it's not often smart guys lead civvie's lynches two consecutive days

FZ. - Somewhat slightly leaning baddie - Seems very reasonable and focused, and I often find myself agreeing with her, but for some reason I doubt her civvieness. I can't shake the feeling that she could be manipulating and I find myself thinking that the difference between this FZ and the civvie one I saw on KSite is attributable to a difference in alignment. What can I say? You're wrong. Moreover, I think I can tell you that in the game on Ksite, after I was lynched and was still reading the game and trying to figure out for myself who the scum were, I told K4J that you were too good to be true because your thought process seemed so much like mine. I still see it. Look at how many of the people on your list resemble what I wrote before. That's why most of the time I think you're a civvie. So it bothers me that you think I might be bad, but I can't do any more than what I'm doing

Hedgeowl - ????? - Very hard to tell since she replaced in recently, but so far I suppose she seems like a normal Hedgeowl trying to approach the game a bit differently, and what that says about her alignment.... your guess is as good as mine. I know K4J disagrees with me on this, but I think that Jenny wouldn't ask to be replaced had she been a baddie. She likes being a baddie more than a civ, and I think she would find it easier to cope with a group pushing her to stay in the game. Moreover, I see nothing suspicious from Hedge so far

kneel4justice - Firmly leaning civvie - Reads genuine to me, seems very active in scumhunting. Would be shocked if he flipped baddie at this point. leaning on agreeing with you, but never say never with K4J Still, most of the time, I think I'm pretty good at recognizing him when he's a regular civ, and this seems like one of those times

Lizzy - Slightly leaning baddie - Her behavior has been 'normal' Lizzy, whatever that means, since she is an excellent player who likes to constantly shift up her avant-garde gameplay. She did ping me with her vote for Mongoose. Actually, she is someone I need to revisit. Don't know what I can say about her more than I've said in the other game. Do you see any differences between the two? Someone said she was more vocal here, maybe that's true, though you can't really call her vocal either way

LouLou26 - Somewhat slightly leaning baddie - Is quieter and more subdued than the Lou I am used to, but I can't tell why that is. Similar to FZ, I can't shake the feeling that she could be manipulating and I find myself thinking that the difference between this Lou and the civvie one I saw on KSite is attributable to a difference in alignment. Maybe what I'm seeing from Lou is what you're seeing from me. That's why I hesitate in my suspicions of her, not to mention, she'll tell you I'm always suspicious of her. But she is quieter and not bringing much to the table right now. Also, she voted for someone other than Russ, which on it's own is good, yet I don't remember her saying why she's not going with him

Mister Rearranger - Firmly leaning civvie - This seems like civvie MR to me: questioning, insightful, actively hunting. He seems a bit different than how I perceived him in the other game. Maybe that's why he got lynched there. But he seems less wacky here. Maybe more careful, or laying low. Not sure though. Some posts do seem genuine

MovingPictures07 - 100% leaning civvie - Yep! Wouldn't give you a 100, but a 75

reywaS/BWT 2.0 - ????? - Has not been around, BWT just replaced in, but he hasn't said anything yet. no idea

Sorsha - ????? - S~V~S's thoughts combined with what I know of Sorsha indicate to me that she is still 'warming up' in this game and, despite her initial "I'm a civvie" comment and her recent frustrated posts, and her Mongoose vote, I really just can't tell on her one way or the other. I'm afraid that it may be too "easy" to vote for her, ironically in light of her recent vote for Vompatti. agree

Spacedaisy - ????? - My girlfriend hasn't posted much, but I know she's been really busy, and this is normal for her posting frequency anymore for quite some time now. I haven't seen anything from her that is abnormal, but I can't really tell yet one way or the other on her alignment. Did she even post? you're doing enough talking for both of you

Summer - Somewhat slightly leaning civvie - Seems reasonable, helpful, but I did seriously question her intentions earlier in the game and thought she seemed particularly noncommittal, despite her insistence that she is a committal player. I haven't played a game with her before as she is helping to host the current KSite game I'm in, but her responses have been logical and genuine. except for a minute in the start of the game, where I thought she was trying a little too hard, I see civvie Summer.

SVS - Somewhat slightly leaning baddie - I believe she was incredibly opportunistic with Mongoose and was manipulating the thread, and I was pinged by her sudden suspicion of me after I started voicing suspicions of her, but after her more recent responses and sitting on it, I am not so sure anymore, with my original gut feeling on her almost all but obliterated. I have been lately feeling she is genuine and I am not so sure this is aggressive baddie S~V~S. She actually has had some good insight as well. I still wonder if there was something to my initial reaction, but I don't know. I've said what I have on SVS. I understand your concern as well as hesitation

Turnip Head - Slightly leaning civvie - It's been a long time since I've gotten to play with TH, but he seems like what I remember of his civvie self here -- down to business, reasonable. He and I were on the same page re: Mongoose and I feel he has had great insight. He is one HELL of a baddie though. I really look forward to seeing what else he has to say. He's someone I forgot to add earlier of the people I trust. Seemed genuinely frustrated with people not doing their part in scum hunting and has give some good thoughts himself

Vompatti - ????? - Criminally insane, just can't tell on him this game. I've seen civvie contributions from him in other games, but I've also seen him play like this as a civvie and seen him be a bit more active as baddie too, so... No idea. I don't care

wrathofgod - Slightly leaning SK - She has literally not been around, the only person not to post even once. However, we saw no SK kill on Nights 1 and 2, so she may just be that role. Unfortunately, this would be her first mafia game, but I know she has been really busy. good point, no idea

Zany Dex - ????? - A complete enigma not too far off Devin and Vompatti. He hasn't posted much at all, but I know he is sometimes really quiet in games. He did vote for Mongoose. May be trying to avoid suspicion by flying under the radar, or maybe is just really busy. I don't even remember what it was that caught my eye. I'd say I'll check, but I would be lying, Lol

Wow, that was actually sort of cathartic, and made me realize where I need to look harder. I definitely have too many question marks or "somewhat slightly" leanings.

Now I have to go and actually do something with my holiday downtime that ISN'T mafia, so see you folks later! Next step is to revisit these thoughts, see what others have to say in my absence, and see what happens at night.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: This post actually made me feel better about you again. I had a momentary concern, but since I actually get most of your suspicions, I feel better.
I admit, I didn't get the suspicion for Russ. There was a moment there where I accused him of blaming Epi for his vote (I think it was Russ), but later on, everything he said just felt genuine. And when I see people not seeing what I think is obvious, it makes me concerned about them.

As for me pointing fingers at people who "actually try to do something with their votes", I'm kind of offended here. First, I try to do things with my vote. It's not my fault people don't follow me here. When I left for bed, no one had more than 2 votes at most, and I believe Russ had none or maybe 1. I had hoped things would go a different way. I would have preferred to lynch Vopm or A person for their lack of contribution which is done on purpose than to lynch Russ.
Also, I'd rather people think I'm suspicious for not voting someone I believe is a civ than actually lynch a civ. That's me. I guess if I were scum, I might act differently.

I have noticed that you come off more aggressive in this game than how I saw you on Ksite. Can you explain it?

First off, so sorry for offending you. I would never mean anything of the sort. I suppose it was worded really badly; I wasn't trying to say you don't do things with your vote, I guess I was just emotionally reacting a bit there and it showed in my wording because it's so easy for people to come back in after the fact and finger point at those who helped lynch an innocent especially when they had no part in it and I felt you were doing that, like the father scolding the son.

Regarding AP and Vomps, do you actually think they're both baddies or what are you thinking there?

MovingPictures07 wrote: As to coming off more aggressive, well, let's just say this is the true me. Lol. But it's a combination of factors: (1) I feel most at home here; (2) I know pretty much every single player in some way, shape, or form, and some of them really well, and on KSite it was near the opposite of that, with the exception of those I brought with me; (3) the KSite game started when I was on vacation in Phoenix for almost a week and the timing couldn't have been any worse on that front -- combined with how INSANELY much people were posting so early on in the game, it was very overwhelming, and I didn't feel I was in my comfort zone.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
So, I'm curious, and just because it's a KSite tradition, think you can come up with one of those list things that K4J posted?

MovingPictures07 wrote: Yes, true re: BWT. That means he very likely was a baddie replacing into the same baddie team or he was a civvie with no BTSC/info role. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Where did this KSite stuff come from? What do you mean by block voting? I got lost there.

But anyway, you do have a decent point regarding the KSite game... I would like to see what the KSiters think about each other right now given everything that has transpired thus far.

Personally, what I'm currently thinking is...

K4J - Very likely civvie
FZ. - No idea, maybe slightly baddie, but I haven't really thought about her
Lou - Same as FZ
Summer - Was leaning slightly baddie earlier, now maybe slightly civvie... Not sure

Which means I'm really not sure what the heck's going on with any of them... except K4J. And maybe he IS bad, but if he is bad, then IMO he deserves to win with the way he's playing because he's coming across genuine as hell to me this past cycle.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, that is TERRIBLE. So sorry Russ, RIP.

FZ. wrote:
Looking at people who voted for Russ, there are a few who have really fishy reasons. I've trusted MP for most of the game so far, but he gave too many reasons for his vote, and it made me think he's aiming to please. I got all the hesitation, I just didn't get the final decision to vote for Russ. If anything, between the two he contemplated, I'd have gone for Sorsha.

Elo's reasons for voting may be a cop out, but she's acted like this time and time again in games and been lynched and come up civvie time and time again, often led by me, so I am really hesitant on that front. So when Epig vouches for her, considering his near 100% track record on her, combined with the fact she seems like her civvie self to me, then I don't see a reason to vote that way for the time being.

Sorry you didn't like my vote, and it turns out I hate it myself now, but the only two players that had votes hen I voted were Sorsha and Russ, and Sorsha's behavior is much more par for the course from her, and I had to vote someone -- I just really didn't know what to do. You're right, maybe I should have voted Sorsha, maybe she should go tomorrow. You were all gung ho to vote for SVS and yet you didn't vote that way, then you come back and point fingers at the players who actually tried to do something with their votes.

Despite Hedge's route of going with the top players, I'm beginning to suspect that it's possible many of our baddies are specifically avoiding the bandwagons (ESPECIALLY this past vote, Mongoose maybe not as much) so that they avoid the limelight. It's possible we do have a baddie or two among the top posters, but looking at them... I am not so sure. If Epig, MR, and K4J are bad, then they're doing a FANTASTIC job because currently I lean towards believing every single one of them. I don't even know what to think about S~V~S anymore.

I can't believe there were TEN players who didn't vote. What the hell is that?

Linkitis with SVS

S~V~S wrote:


Also, why would you expect people to block vote that way? Do you think all the Ksiters are civs? From a strictly statistical standpoint, at least one of you is probably bad. How are you so sure you can all trust each other? I am interested in this personally as well, becasue I found that the place I was a biggest fail at the Ksite game was the fact that i found myself ONLY suspecting the people I knew after the Onox lynch, because it was easy to do that. I found it much harder to trust them than to distrust them.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote: Apparently, I can't be part of an actual lynch because people vote when I'm asleep. I told you Russ seemed pretty OK to me. If you don't trust my instincts anymore, that's fine.

Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking? That is exactly how I feel playing in the UK, polls very rarely end before midnight and I always feel compelled to stay up. Not with this game though, I don't love anyone here enough to stay awake until 6 am.

Looking at people who voted for Russ, there are a few who have really fishy reasons. I've trusted MP for most of the game so far, but he gave too many reasons for his vote, and it made me think he's aiming to please. I got all the hesitation, I just didn't get the final decision to vote for Russ. If anything, between the two he contemplated, I'd have gone for Sorsha.

Given his discussion for most of the day I'd kinda expected MP to go for SVS. He did say what he'd seen from Sorsha is what he thinks is normal civ behaviour for her as well, so if he'd put a vote on her that would actually have made me kinda suspicious.

I'll Pm you

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

I was just sitting here waiting for your disapproving post.
I don't know why you'd leave thinking that people weren't going to vote for him, I really do not get that. Whatever gave you that impression..
Anyways, why don't you step up and be part of an actual lynch? I'd like to see if you can do any better.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:Damn it! I thought when I left, that we weren't going to vote for Russ. What the hell happened?

I was just sitting here waiting for your disapproving post.
I don't know why you'd leave thinking that people weren't going to vote for him, I really do not get that. Whatever gave you that impression..
Anyways, why don't you step up and be part of an actual lynch? I'd like to see if you can do any better.

DFaraday wrote:Also, BWT has agreed to come back, and is replacing reywaS.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm pissed. I just missed the lynch in the other game after staying up late and waiting for people to come in and talk or vote. Now I just want to go to sleep and I don't know who to vote for. None of the contributing people, who have votes on them, are ones I feel comfortable voting for, and I don't want my vote to go to waste.
Now, since I think SVS is a baddie in the other game, I'm trying to think maybe I'm wrong about her in this game I'm going to wait with voting for her and go with someone else for today.

I'm going with Elo, because her vote for Devin seems completely out of no where

Did you vote yet? Maybe us KSITE players can put our heads together. Do you think Epig is a townie?

kneel4justice wrote:What do people think about Russ?

kneel4justice wrote:What do people think about Russ?

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote: Civvies send PMs too.

he's not wrong though
Had to take out my quote, because apparently you can't embed 6 quotes within each other? But this is exactly my point: if you don't know what your role is, you're not going to be sending in appropriate PMs. Also, excellent catch on Sorsha from Bullz; I'll have to check that out further.

Linki: A Person, you magnificent troll :P

Vompatti wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

So if you don't remember if you're a baddie or not, how can you send in your PMs? Does this mean you don't have a role that sends in a power? Or are you missing your PM's?

Civvies send PMs too.

Yes... yes I'm aware...

That wasn't my point. Are you sending in your PM's at night? Or are you not even bothering because you don't even know your role? Even if you're a civvie and not sending in your PM, you are wasting civilian resources by not doing so.

I can't think of any reason not to vote for Vompatti. Some of you are calling this his "style"... I call it "playing like a boob". I'd much rather lynch Vompatti than lynch someone who is actually playing the game.

As far as I know I haven't missed any PMs yet. I don't mind being lynched but I don't see how you would benefit from lynching me if you were a civ.

Turnip Head wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

So if you don't remember if you're a baddie or not, how can you send in your PMs? Does this mean you don't have a role that sends in a power? Or are you missing your PM's?

Civvies send PMs too.

Yes... yes I'm aware...

That wasn't my point. Are you sending in your PM's at night? Or are you not even bothering because you don't even know your role? Even if you're a civvie and not sending in your PM, you are wasting civilian resources by not doing so.

I can't think of any reason not to vote for Vompatti. Some of you are calling this his "style"... I call it "playing like a boob". I'd much rather lynch Vompatti than lynch someone who is actually playing the game.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, I don't have much time right now, but I have decided to try a different tactic this game. I will be looking for baddies in the top posters instead of low posters. One if a baddie is lynched we get more info from said lynch than lynching a baddie low poster, and two I think it more likely given some of the players and style that there are baddies running part of this thread. (Three, it slows the thread down a bit getting rid of a few chatty mcchattersons)

The list of top 10 living posters:
Epignosis 119
Mongoose 118
kneel4justice 87
Mister Rearranger 85
S~V~S 85
Loulou26 77
MovingPictures07 61
Summer 59
FZ. 58
Devin the Omniscient 54
Bullzeye 51

One of you is getting my vote later today, but since I am still catching up, might take me a bit more time. Also, given my brief time with the ksiters this seems to be fairly normal for most of them, so gives me pause there as well. I will consider more today as the day progresses, but this is where I am currently thinking since I am not 100% following current in thread accusations without more catch-up.

I am always wary of those who come in saying they're using a different tactic. Just seems like an easy excuse to play differently from their "townie" game.

I'm not sure whether I should bring it up, but I noticed she's replacing Jenny, and I have a feeling there is more chance Jenny would drop out when she's a civvie than when she's a scum. But that's just assumptions. I think she wouldn't do it to her team if she were a civ, even if she didn't know any of them. Then again, maybe RL really prevented her from playing, and I don't know why she dropped out.

I disagree, and here is why. The only reason I see Jenny not pulling out of the game is if maybe she was scum with Lou or Summer. Normally, I would agree but this game there is something that was noticeably different. A replacement list. She didn't need to feel bad for dropping because it didn't really hurt her team if she was indeed scum.

kneel4justice wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, I don't have much time right now, but I have decided to try a different tactic this game. I will be looking for baddies in the top posters instead of low posters. One if a baddie is lynched we get more info from said lynch than lynching a baddie low poster, and two I think it more likely given some of the players and style that there are baddies running part of this thread. (Three, it slows the thread down a bit getting rid of a few chatty mcchattersons)

The list of top 10 living posters:
Epignosis 119
Mongoose 118
kneel4justice 87
Mister Rearranger 85
S~V~S 85
Loulou26 77
MovingPictures07 61
Summer 59
FZ. 58
Devin the Omniscient 54
Bullzeye 51

One of you is getting my vote later today, but since I am still catching up, might take me a bit more time. Also, given my brief time with the ksiters this seems to be fairly normal for most of them, so gives me pause there as well. I will consider more today as the day progresses, but this is where I am currently thinking since I am not 100% following current in thread accusations without more catch-up.

I am always wary of those who come in saying they're using a different tactic. Just seems like an easy excuse to play differently from their "townie" game.

Bullzeye wrote:So carrying on with looking at Mongoose voters I'm gonna have a poke at Bass and SVS (Voters 5 and 6 respectively). Doing it in the same post because Bass has also been really quiet, not sure how I overlooked that yesterday. The only thing that really caught my eye though is this:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I hate saying this but I'm going to have to go with epig on the mongoose vote today she has been acting really different from the game I just played with her and it worries me . It has just been one thing after another. From the day zero vote she made to "having problems with the site" issues she had and its just been one excuse after the other so for that reason I'm *voting Mongoose*

He seems to be suggesting that the whole crosspost drama was actually reason to be suspicious. I know Bass is relatively new but maybe he could explain how that works because it really wouldn't have made sense if a baddie Mongoose had made the whole issue up in order to... I dunno, lose attention? Gain trust? It just strikes me as odd that anyone could say that's a reason to vote for someone.

Anyway, on to SVS. As much as she often claims she finds it hard to read me and I can fool her, it's the same in reverse. I'm not sure if I'm seeing what some others are in terms of suspicion but I dunno if I'd say I trust her either. Her day one discussion with Epi where she said he was being rude seems like something I've generally seen from her as a baddie. I could be misremembering there and maybe someone could bring up an example of a game where she had a similar interaction as a civ. On the other hand I do agree with a lot of things she's said this game. I'm not sure where I stand on her.

I'll now go on to Sorsha. She was 10th to vote (keep this in mind, nobody else came anywhere close to even possibly being in danger of a lynch that day) and didn't mention Mongoose at all on day two. Nor did she give a reason as to why she'd voted. These are her day two posts:

Sorsha wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:If all the discussion today had been about Phil Collins and not the game that we're playing, then I would understand randomizing, but... oh wait...

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:I think I'll probably vote Epig.

Can you please eloborate?

kneel4justice wrote:Interesting. A unshared of people Tribunal of Judgment Maligna.

*cough*original Tribunal of Judgement member*cough*

Summer wrote:EBWOP

Guru... Have you been drinking and playing Mafia again???? You know that never ends well!!! (Btw, whoever did this to him... You probably just jumped to the top of his sh*t list!! )

On a serious note, I saw people talking about being cursed or whatever? Are his posts even going to be readable??

You can usualy get the general jist (gist?) of the response if you do read through the response. There are some moments of clarity in the gibberish.


Nice post on bullz, Epi.

Sorsha wrote:

FZ. wrote:I looked at the roles, and I was under the impression that the civ that could do that to K4J could only do it on night 3. Deflect on night 1, silence on night 2, and make someone crazy on night 3. And then all over again. Is that not what the role implies?
If it does, than that would imply it was a baddie who did this, and then, either K4J was very intuitive in his suspicions, and the baddies wanted to shut him up, but it just makes people trust him more, so why? Or K4J is a baddie and his team decided to do it to make him look like a civ. Or, it's one of the Ksiters that thought it would be funny to shut him up. Another option I see is someone wanting to frame one of the Ksiters.....or none of the above.

I'm sorry, I'm having a really hard time keeping up with two games, and no break like we're used to at nights. This is a major overload.

I'm not going to be here for the next 30+ hours, so I'm going to vote now. I'm going with Sorsha, because her game is pure fluff and OT, and I've seen absolutely nothing from her so far. Sorry I'm not coming up with anything more than that, but I can't keep up.

Yeah.... I'm a slow bloomer.

Sorsha wrote:Voted mongoose..

Not a single mention of the case against Mongoose or what she though of it. In fact she never even mentions having an eye on Mongoose until that vote. She threw a vote onto the end of a bandwagon with no discussion at all. This really catches my eye, it seems to be the very definition of blendy.

Elohcin wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: I realize my play style makes me stand out among the rest of the voters. I use this style when I don't care what happens to me, personally.

You made that easy for me. *votes Dev*

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, okay. Finally have some time. So sorry for my thread absences. For those who are saying I'm less involved than usual, yes, I am less involved than usual in all 3 games I am in right now, and that is because it is the holiday season. I have a vacation from the 30th to the 8th that I am planning for; I was gone Friday evening through Sunday spending time with Daisy's family (if you really want someone to back that up, just ask Daisy or CBK); and I've also been spending time with my family before that. Not to mention the fact that I just recently 'finished' up applications to 11 PhD programs.

Russ, can you explain what it is that makes me bad? First you say SVS has a few good points about me being less involved, then the next post you say, me, her, and Epig are all possibly bad.

Regarding Devin, my thoughts have been clear. He always asks for people to vote for him -- see almost every single game he's ever played. As a civvie, he usually does so out of frustration, and especially more so when his RL is busier; as a baddie, he does it just to fuck with people. I am seeing a distracted civvie Devin here more than a maniacal baddie one, personally, and although I've wavered on that some, I'm back to more firmly believing that.

Regarding Vomps, yes, it's just Vomps. He acts this way a lot. Sometimes he actually contributes more than others; other times, he is WAY off the wall and contributes nothing or next to nothing. He seems to just be doing it because that's how enjoys the game. If players think he should go because of it, by all means vote for him, but it's normal behavior and it makes him next to impossible to read. For me, anyway, there are bigger fish to fry right now. Similar thoughts re: AP and Lizzy, though I do admit I have been pinged by Lizzy most so this game. AP seemed civvie to me earlier on based on his early thread contributions and tone/behavior.

Regarding DP, I noticed some players were talking about how he doesn't generally bandwagon, even when busy. This is true. Definitely has my eye, but I'm not totally sure what to think about him yet.

Okay, and now to address where I'm at. I was most considering Mata and S~V~S for my votes today going into the period, but then Mata died, so my vote seems easier. There are others I'm seriously heavily eyeballing based on their Mongoose bandwagon votes, but I feel most comfortable with an S~V~S vote. She CLEARLY is manipulating the thread.

S~V~S wrote:MP, I am NOT going to quote your post and then try to surgically cut it down so i can answer one question, lol~

The Sock Says: Can you think of any examples re: your Mongoose comments here? I'm not sure I've ever noticed anything like that, but I do tend to think she has distinct playing styles when she has different alignments.

What's throwing me off about Mongoose LATELY is that she seems to have different styles on different sites. What she is posting here seems much more of what I'm used to, whereas in the RM and KSite games lately she seemed a bit off to me.

She has addressed this before, in other games, but for me, her baddie game was beautiful in AG, and she played a very light hearted fun, sweet game there. I know she has said it was due to the sockpuppets, but I thought of all the people playing, she was most obviously HER through the disguise. But i cannot read her for shit, which is why I would like to reread her in both threads. I thought that the observation FZ made, that she seemed to be playing different games at the same time in different threads was an interesting point. We might have a baddie Mongoose in one thread, and a civ in the other, although I could not say if that were the case which was which.

But I think you learn more about a persons game hosting them that playing with them, tbh.

I asked her to clarify on the Mongoose being bad one way or another thing due to her sounding 'sweet' or not.

She then proceeds to completely manipulate the thread and after Mongoose flips, here is what she says:

S~V~S wrote:Sorry Mongoose. People do tend to misunderstand your game

Of all the votes yesterday, both for and against mongoose, the one who tweaked me the most was Devin; he sounded like he was absolutely fawning on Epi, then he voted before Epi did? There have been a lot of things going on in this thread, and maybe we can sort them out a bit better. I am looking forward to K4J being able to speak again.

No kidding?

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, sorry to say I couldn't go back and re-read, I literally have like no time, I barely have enough time to keep up with the thread. Though I do think the way people avoided voting Mongoose D1 after they mentioned something about her and then THREW THEIR VOTE AWAY (S~V~S, Bass, Devin, I'm looking at you -- at least Elo is consistent, you bunch are pinging me) should be looked at. I will be looking at them whenever I have tiome, probably Monday after work or maybe Sunday evening after I get home.

What do you mean, I threw my vote away? If i vote in a way other than one that makes sense to you, i threw my vote away?

Since when has anything i have done gamewise made any sense to you?

And then regarding her vote... she was very strong about believing Mongoose was bad, even as early as Day 1, yet where did she vote? Not Mongoose.

This is NOT a matter of gamewise making sense; it's a matter of contradiction.

S~V~S wrote:So you are falling back on tone? How lame, lol. You and Dom both, actually. K4J has a reason at least, although i have explained the reasoning behind my suspicion of Mongoose umpteen times. Perhaps she does not like conflict and that was why she kept trying to change the subject when i was trying to pin something down in her responses.

I have said it several times, and my story is not going to change since it is the truth.

So please explain to me how the above is tone.

Now for a current response...

S~V~S wrote:Ah, I see Vomp is using similar strategies in both games. Poor FZ, he's really messing with you, lol~

OK, I will think about this at work today. If i had to vote now, it would be between MP, Devin, & DP. Normally a post like Bullz' analysis of the Mongoose voters, but only the low posters, would ping the hell out of me, but I don't know that i agree with Epi on him, and he made some good points. Especially about DP~ I know DPs game pretty well, both bad and civ, and I don't see civ DP jumping on a bandwagon, he would vote a tangent, or even randomize later into the game than Day One. So that was rather blendy, and there is a difference between quiet and blendy.

MP (waits for the "No U") has made multiple versions of the same post this game:

"Sorry I am catching up"
"OK I have to catch up"
"I have not totally read the thread, but I have a few impressions"

"I always think SVS is bad, so i also think she is bad here"
"SVS made a suspicious vote for Mongoose"
"Not seeing the Devin suspicion"

This sounds to me like you are suspecting me becasue you think people expect you to suspect me, and if you did not suspect ME, they would suspect YOU. And that sounds like a baddie making an easy vote. I don;t think a civ MP would fall back on that when he was not caught up to the thread, and it sounds to me like you are trying to sound civ. And quite a few people made much more suspicious votes for Mongoose than I (like Devin, for example). I stated my reasons for suspecting her clearly, repeatedly & early.

And Devins whole game has pinged me since the beginning, and I have said so more than once. That last vote especially.

So off to work, between this being a super busy time of year for me at work, and our hiliday party being today, doubt i will be back until tonight.

This is ridiculous and only makes me more sure that you are bad. (not the DP part, the rest of it)

Yes, I have been CONSTANTLY behind, and I wonder why that could be? Also, I've made plenty of contributions to this game beyond just what you point out here -- yet you bring up this suspicion of me all of a sudden because you know I'm onto something. To say I have made "multiple versions of the same post this game" is misrepresenting. And yes, I do like to keep everyone in tabs with what's going on in my life -- but I do it all the time, regardless of alignment.

Where did I always say I always think you're bad? It's true we never can see eye to eye, but that doesn't mean I always suspect you. In fact, recently I've not gunned after you in a few games and called your alignment correctly. Not that I'm infallible by any means. But more misrepresentation.

And I am NOT seeing the Devin suspicion; I've said multiple times over and over why. Same with Mongoose.

I'm not falling back on anything. You helped pushed the thread to Mongoose; you've said contradictory statements; you now try to make up this BS case against me to get me lynched.

How is Devin's vote MORE suspicious than yours? Could it just not mean he has less time than you? Yes, he could be baddie, but his behavior overall just doesn't say so to me. Not EVERY single voter of Mongoose that bandwagoned has to be baddie. Civvies bandwagon all the time. That's mafia. Of course it comes down to judgment and analyzing actions.

Vompatti wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I really don't see what the problem is. It's not like you're any more likely to catch a baddie by making up arguments than by randomizing or by voting for yourself.

Seriously? First, if you're not a baddie yourself, how is voting yourself going to help catch baddies. Unless you are one, and in that case, why are you playing in the first place? Second, if there's no point in looking for baddies other than randomizing, just go and fill a lottery ticket. Again, why play this game? No offense, of course.
I just don't get your logic

I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

Vompatti wrote:I really don't see what the problem is. It's not like you're any more likely to catch a baddie by making up arguments than by randomizing or by voting for yourself.

Turnip Head wrote:What's your deal Vomp? You only come in to vote yourself, no participation whatsoever. Are you one of the people asking to be replaced? Because you basically aren't playing :-/

Not impressed overall with the participation for today, very few people have checked in with the thread so far and we only have ~24ish hours left.

I'm looking at Disgruntled Porcupine, Russtifinko, Vompatti or Devin for my vote this lynch. Devin and Russ both followed Epi a little too blindly in my opinion, and made sure to mention that they were following Epi's lead and not thinking for themselves. Now Devin is all like "It's my fault, kill me". It's not really a civvie reaction but then again it's not a baddie reaction either.

Russ has the "busy bein busy" excuse which makes it hard to look at his game objectively, but so far I don't like what I've seen from Russ's posts. He doesn't offer many clear thoughts, just vague possible suspicions. I feel that baddies give these vague thoughts more than civvies do. But I don't know Russ's game.

Vompatti, as stated above, only comes in to vote for himself. It's hard to make a case against him, but it's even harder to make a case for him being civvie. His complete apathy for what we're trying to accomplish in this game of mafia is unsettling.

When I asked what DP's thoughts on the game were, once upon a time, he replied to me "None." And that's been par for the course the whole game so far for DP.

It's not funny anymore you guys. If you're civvies, you need to help catch baddies. Anyone who's not actively trying to do that is probably scum. On a related note, if A Person votes for himself again, my vote might go there instead. Seriously, let's stop clowning around and nab us a baddie.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm starting to feel much better about Ksite and how often we lynch townies, It's not any better here.

K4J was very sure about his vote for Summer. Why was no one trying to get to to the bottom of that? For all we know, he could be dead next night, even if Summer isn't scum (with someone wanting to frame her), so we might get nothing from him. I know it's easy to say it now, since I wasn't here to do it myself, but I'd expect people to try and understand a little what he was saying.

I didn't like the way SVS talked about Mongoose and the fiasco with the two games. It was pretty obvious that the whole things was a mistake and it seemed like she was using it as an excuse to suspect her.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Mata, Dex, Devi, Epi, Russ. In that order.

S~V~S wrote:Sorry Mongoose. People do tend to misunderstand your game

Of all the votes yesterday, both for and against mongoose, the one who tweaked me the most was Devin; he sounded like he was absolutely fawning on Epi, then he voted before Epi did? There have been a lot of things going on in this thread, and maybe we can sort them out a bit better. I am looking forward to K4J being able to speak again.

Sorry Mongoose I have learned my lesson about trusting Epignosis: DON'T DO IT!!!

Kill me first.

This sounds scummy. You're putting the responsibility on Epig. Do you now think he's a baddie or was he just wrong? Either way, I don't like how you made it about him instead of you.

How selfish of me. Should I have taken the blame for my own actions and then asked everyone to kill Epi? Did I do it wrong? Is that not the correct way to play? Do you request NKs and lynches differently on ksite?
I do it this way: I mistrusted Epi's giant case on Mongoose. So kill me.

thellama73 wrote:That just means the person hasn't read it yet. You can still delete it if you decide you don't want them to see it. When they open it, it will be moved to your sent folder.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I have a technical question, and I'm afraid if I ask it, it will maybe clue people to my role/alignment. And I can't ask it in the other game either. Is there someone who I could ask that is not playing either game?

I am the mod, so you could PM me your question, but if you feel like you can't because I am in the other game, I would suggest asking DFaraday.

Lol, I can't contact anyone

Are you having trouble with the Private Message function?

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I have a technical question, and I'm afraid if I ask it, it will maybe clue people to my role/alignment. And I can't ask it in the other game either. Is there someone who I could ask that is not playing either game?

I am the mod, so you could PM me your question, but if you feel like you can't because I am in the other game, I would suggest asking DFaraday.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Matahari wrote: I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Can you explain this "irons in the fire" comment. Was that saying you were suspicious or not, and why? I'm not seeing a definite opinion, but more of a playing both sides.
Also why did you mention leads to teammates but not go any further as to discuss who may have been her teammates.

Matahari wrote:MP, when I said 'where have you gone' I didn't mean you weren't around much. I meant 'where is the more forceful MP' that I remember. But svs brought up a good point, when she mentioned the lost game. you were a civ there so, feel free to overlook my first impressions. I often do

I noticed that you do a lot of dismissing of your own first impressions and I have to wonder why. It feels like you want to cover yourself in case evidence comes out which later disproves your opinions. It's like an excuse before an excuse is even necessary.

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

I have some people to respond to, but I'll have to wait until tonight when I have more time.

Seriously, I do not follow what caused you to vote.

@FZ. This is what I was referring to.

Thanks. Was her last post you quoted a reply to someone or was she just saying it on her own? Because while I see what you're saying here, I'm not sure I agree, especially if it wasn't a reply but her putting her thoughts out there. I think that I would expect a scum coming close to a lynch to not say something like "she sounds like she could be sincere...but I'm still voting for her" or something like that. It sounds too scummy to actually be scummy.I know this will send us back to the argument that baddies sometimes do obvious scummy things, but why say you're going to vote for someone if they sound sincere to you, when you can say something that would still make you look like you're debating, yet not come off scummy? something like: "maybe I'm wrong, but she is acting really scummy"
That said, if it was a reply to someone questioning her, it's a whole new story.

The post was just her posting on her own, I believe. What you're saying does make sense. I just do not understand why she voted Mongoose in general. It didn't even feel like she suspected her. I don't know your point is something I have to think about.

kneel4justice wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Matahari wrote: I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Can you explain this "irons in the fire" comment. Was that saying you were suspicious or not, and why? I'm not seeing a definite opinion, but more of a playing both sides.
Also why did you mention leads to teammates but not go any further as to discuss who may have been her teammates.

Matahari wrote:MP, when I said 'where have you gone' I didn't mean you weren't around much. I meant 'where is the more forceful MP' that I remember. But svs brought up a good point, when she mentioned the lost game. you were a civ there so, feel free to overlook my first impressions. I often do

I noticed that you do a lot of dismissing of your own first impressions and I have to wonder why. It feels like you want to cover yourself in case evidence comes out which later disproves your opinions. It's like an excuse before an excuse is even necessary.

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

I have some people to respond to, but I'll have to wait until tonight when I have more time.

Seriously, I do not follow what caused you to vote.

@FZ. This is what I was referring to.

kneel4justice wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote: Apologies, I did miss your question directed at me. I'll go see if I can find it in a sec. I put in work during the discussion yesterday, when I could have just sat back. I've listed off who I'm eyeing now too, if you want me to elaborate on any of them, I won't mind doing so.

I'm also not counting out the possibility that you might have a teammate who insanified you to keep you from coming under fire in the first place.

You still didn't answer, if not for me who would you have voted? And if you would list your suspects, that'd be nice. I can't keep track of everyone's thoughts because I forget who is who sometimes.

So you're suspicious of me? The comment feels a bit out of the blue.
To be honest that theory isn't even necessary, because I could be on the opposing scum team. It kind of feels like you are trying to suspect me, but suit yourself. I have nothing to hide.

I believe I would have voted for Mata if it came down to it (and if she were even in the running).

I've said before that I don't really trust anyone yet in this game. All options are on the table right now.

Hm, well we have that in common. I am thinking that I would vote her too, I didn't realize how scummy she was until I reread today.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Mata, Dex, Devi, Epi, Russ. In that order.

S~V~S wrote:Sorry Mongoose. People do tend to misunderstand your game

Of all the votes yesterday, both for and against mongoose, the one who tweaked me the most was Devin; he sounded like he was absolutely fawning on Epi, then he voted before Epi did? There have been a lot of things going on in this thread, and maybe we can sort them out a bit better. I am looking forward to K4J being able to speak again.

Sorry Mongoose I have learned my lesson about trusting Epignosis: DON'T DO IT!!!

Kill me first.

Mongoose wrote:This happens to me often if I type my post in Quick Reply. I will press submit and nothing happens. It doesn't happen when I use Full Editor mode to make a post.

It happens on various browsers and on various computers, so I've just trained myself to always use Full Editor mode lest I lose another important post.

linki - Whoa! Someone got insanified/cursed. I particularly love the word "saltpeter" in the bottom of his post.

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:I am so fed up with this. I've been trying to write something for 15 minutes, and it keeps erasing parts of it

Parts of it? Please do me a favor and try to write a long off topic post, and cut and paste it into a pm occasionally until it happens again , then paste the results into said pm and send it to me?

Logging you out I could see but losing just parts of it is something I don't understand.

My cursor is a loose cannon. It jumps from place to place and then erases things. It's not only here that it happens. But I can't find a redo button here, so if something like that happens, I just lose everything I wrote. It's pissing me to no end.

Mine does that, too, are you running Firefox in XP or Vista? Now I get it. Just hit the preview button every few minutes or so. If you have a meltdown, you can retrace back to a reasonable starting point.

Sorry this in not green, I am on phone and formatting can be a bitch.

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:I am so fed up with this. I've been trying to write something for 15 minutes, and it keeps erasing parts of it

Parts of it? Please do me a favor and try to write a long off topic post, and cut and paste it into a pm occasionally until it happens again , then paste the results into said pm and send it to me?

Logging you out I could see but losing just parts of it is something I don't understand.

Mongoose wrote:

FZ. wrote:I just went and looked at the roles. It seems there are supposed to be two deaths every night. The two baddie teams each get a kill every other night, and Triple H gets one every night. So why was there only one person dead?

Triple H could have been blocked or unable to use the power in some other way. Some players might even elect to not use his/her power at night for various reasons. Or the player may have forgotten to send in a night PM.