The Syndicate

Damn. Nice catch LC.

There's a big part of my case on SVS that revolves around her involvement in BWT's lynch that was sort of glossed over so I'll expound upon it here. This post was SVS's only mention of BWT, hidden inside what's probably her longest post in the game. I'll highlight the part where she talks about BWT, but I get the feeling she was trying to bury it within a bunch of other suspicions.

S~V~S wrote:For me, LC has a certain "feel" when he's bad, he just feels phony. He feels like a salesman, like he's giving you a hearty handshake, slightly TOO hearty (I don't think I have ever articulated this before). He's a little edgier, slightly snarkier, more real when he's good. He feels on the level to me at this point.

Boogs, I think, has an agenda. It is an agenda I have seen from lots of people myself, the "Oh My God, You Screwed me SO BAD In the Last Game, I Can Never Trust You Again". He wants LC to be bad, and that's that. If anything I think that makes him more likely to be civvie rather than less.

At this pint, I am looking at MM, BWT & Zeek. I might table Zeek for now as I think this is gonna be tight and less spread is better than more, IMO.

BWT is DOING & saying all kinds of baddie things. But he is not acting like bad BWT all that much. Llama is calling him blendy, but bad BWT is blendy like Faraday blendy. BUT he could have switched it up. I hope he comes back. The case is good but my gut is waffling.

MM has said almost nothing that can be pinned down. He is agreeable, and seems to vote for people based totally on reasons other than whether or not they are bad.

Zeek has struck me as playing a very smooth, non spotlight style game. He is also not saying much of substance. I poked him twice, and his reaction was the same both times.

zeek wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I started my reread of Zeek this AM, and have to say, he does not seem like the same guy we had in Dr Who. Helluva lot quieter.

This is not-my-first-game-since-coming-out-of-retirement-Zeek. I'm sorry I'm not more like MP this game, but thats not my usual style anyway.

Speaking of MP, he's passionate every game I've played with him, so I'm not really seeing how he's different this game. He often hammers home his theories.

So, on my radar at the moment are BWT, LC, llama and Boogs.

I feel LC has acquitted himself well since the theories about him and llama have been put out there and I'm pretty happy not voting for him at the moment. He's seemed pretty genuine to me. llama is a different story. Still unsure about him but maybe not enough to vote there right now. I find the "you know me better than that" thing suspect though. I don't know him, why even say it?

BWT has a fair few empty posts and as pointed out he did say he'd only bid on property he felt was worth having. There's little reason to want the property he did bid for unless you're railroad. He also far outbid me for win an auction, when there was no need to go that high. I believe he has a bit of spare cash, makes me wonder how he got it.

Boogs has been acting suspicious the way he advocates lynching people with powers or has BTSC. He says the crux of his case is he thinks LC and llama are mafia but I'm not sure I believe that anymore. He may be trying to eliminate any strength developing within the civs. We need BTSC atm, so theres more trust. That can be a problem for endgame, once the Mafia are gone.

So yeah, may go BWT or Boogs today. My eye is still on llama.

That whole, "Speaking of MP..." feels like such a subject change. "Yeah I'm not bad, now lets move along, nothing to see here". This is totally gut and feels, but this was pretty much the same:

S~V~S wrote:

zeek wrote:Aren't you dead, S~V~S?

Disappointed to see me back?

zeek wrote:Of course not

I haven't played much with llama really, four cycles in Zelda but I was quite busy and couldn't follow the game fully. Even less with Boogs, she died before I did in that game. I do think the kitty thing is easy to hide behind though. Is this something she does when she's bad?

I'm interested in hearing from keys, as he's been very quiet after the searching debate and not said much about suspicions.

"Of course not

Now lets talk about something else. " is how that reads to me. But like I said, I will revisit this tomorrow.

Linki, not sure how I feel about that. But it did lead me to conclude that I feel more strongly about Metalmarsh~

So she acknowledged the suspicion against him but also defended him by saying he's a different sort of blendy when he's bad. Then she voted for MM.

I guess that's a good point. Lol. We need to lynch the reds regardless, whether they end up with my property or not.

She didn't respond to them. She already posted.

What do you think of my case on SVS, Jules? And do you agree that we should try to lynch the killers before lynching the LMS groups? I'm coming up on the red part of the board, I might simply go bankrupt anyways.

That's exactly what I did.

After we get rid of the original baddies, we will still need to lynch the properties who purchased the Beatdown power, likely the reds. There's only 13 of us left, there's 3 baddies plus up to 3 properties in the Beatdown set. Lynching me is a waste of precious time. Let the baddies try to NK me while we try to lynch the people who can kill.

No I gave the other house to my teammate so we could build hotels, but that teammate is dead now.

I actually didn't realize that the railroads could build a hotel on the third property until after it happened, I thought they needed all three, so I do apologize for that. I've been bested by the mechanics of this game more than once...

I've only built on my own property. I don't have my teammates' cards/hotels, the baddies do.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Her reactions to Bass were in relation to you. She was thinking maybe you two had BTSC, I think. Water Works hasn't learned your role yet, MM.

I am one of the few fortunate remaining. I'm hope that's my saving grace.

Linki: Alright, I'll trust you on this TH.

Just go back and check how the bids went down. First, SVS bid on both. Then you raised her on one, while Bass bid on the other. Then SVS tried to raise you but not raise Bass, and then tried to figure out if you boys had BTSC. If she was already killing Bass she wouldn't have to raise him because she would get the property anyway.

DFaraday wrote:That is an interesting case, so I would like to hear SVS's response. Having said that, it sounds a bit as if you're saying "I may be LMS, but she started as a baddie." As far as I can tell, once you become LMS, you might as well be baddie to everyone else.

Yeah I suppose that's what I'm saying. But let's not kid ourselves here, 12 of the 13 remaining players are LMS or baddie, lol. In that respect I'm just as bad as everyone else. But I have no kill, no teammates left, and cannot learn roles. The baddies need me dead to win. Force them to NK me. If they're NKing me, they're not NKing you. Pretty sweet deal, right?

Actually my point still stands. SVS raised you for Baltic but didn't raise Bass for Mediterranean when she had previously bid on both. Next thing you know, Bass gets NKed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Interesting that SVS tried to outbid you, MM, for the Baltic property, but didn't bother trying to outbid Bass for the Mediterranean property. I guess she was planning on killing him anyway, so she was able to get it for free!

She didn't seem to be aware that I had the bonus added to my bid. SVS is not someone I expect to be intentionally obtuse.

I can't untwist this logic pretzel so I'll retract my cheap shot.

linki: Lol I didn't even put up that house for auction at $1, boo must have done so on my behalf.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's the best post you've made all game TH. I still have some questions about it.

What about her reactions to Bass before Bass was NK'd? also, what about the missed NK from WW on Day 4? I was having other ideas for SVS's role, and that was as part of a color group, not as WW. She hasn't paid attention to a lot of details about this game, but if she is WW, maybe that's because her partner died early on?

SVS is one of the only players in this game that I could see intentionally missing a kill if she thought there was strategic value in doing so. She's done it before in another game. She replaced an inactive player on Day 3. The missing Night 4 kill set up every other inactive player, except for SVS, as being Water Works.

Her reactions to Bass were in relation to you. She was thinking maybe you two had BTSC, I think. Water Works hasn't learned your role yet, MM.

Interesting that SVS tried to outbid you, MM, for the Baltic property, but didn't bother trying to outbid Bass for the Mediterranean property. I guess she was planning on killing him anyway, so she was able to get it for free!

Well damn I missed that.

First of all, I'm confused, because I should have won Baltic and Mediterranean but I got neither. After the official bidding period closed with no bids placed, I placed $1 bids on the properties at 4:22pm PST, and no one outbid me within 30 minutes of that post. The next bid was MM at 5:05pm PST. So... I should have those properties. If I had, I would have placed my three little houses on them now.

I'm also confused as to why I stopped rolling after getting doubles, as has been happening all game. I landed on a hotel and stopped there for some reason, when I should have had another roll.

Anyway,I guess it looks pretty bad for me. I bought some houses, and then the pinks upgraded to hotels. Interesting that this warrants me being lynched, since it's the first evidence that clears me of being WW or a RR. And as LC astutely pointed out, all but one of you is in an LMS group yourself. So why do we continue to play this little game when we all know it has moved to the next stage?



But go ahead, vote me for being LMS just like you!

I'm still interested in finding baddies, and I think I found one. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe SVS is Water Works.

My suspicions started when she out-of-the-blue called me out as being LMS when accusations were flying that I was Water Works or Railroad. She cited my being upset at splintsy's accusation of me being a railroad as indication that I was LMS, which is a connection that doesn't really make sense. For what it's worth, SVS began calling me out as being LMS on Day 7. The houses on the pinks showed up on Night 7, which means the pinks probably gained full BTSC on Night 6 and into Day 7, right before SVS's accusations of me started. Also keep in mind that Water Works has known my role since Day 1. Also keep in mind that SVS had actually DEFENDED me and my behavior right up until Day 7 when she started saying I was LMS. Then she cited my reaction to the railroad accusations as reason to think I'm LMS, which again, is a very tenuous connection and perhaps one a baddie would try to make to justify the knowledge they gained behind the scenes.

So WW has known my role since Day 1. You know who else Water Works knew the role of? Bass_the_Clever.

Board Movements wrote:From Night 6 To Day 7
12. Bass_the_Clever: Started on Free Parking. Moved 8 (3+5) to Water Works (1+4*4=$20 to WW from bank, learn role).

Here's SVS's reaction to Bass' death:

S~V~S wrote:That's interesting; I was getting the feel that bass had a team, so shrug:.

That's a guilty looking post, IMO. One a killer would make to justify her choice.

As my last piece of evidence, SVS only made ONE post on the subject of BWT on the day he was lynched. It was a big post, she brought up multiple people (the kind of thing baddies do to bury the suspicion on their own teammate)... and when she got down to the BWT section of her post, she cited suspicion of him but also defended him in the same breath. It's the kind of doublespeak you tend to see from baddie partners. In her next post, 4 minutes later, she votes for MM over BWT.

So there's my case. You're almost all in LMS groups right now, so if you want to vote me out because you think I'm in an LMS group when almost everyone in the game is guaranteed to be in one, go for it. People have wanted me dead all game for a variety of reasons so I wouldn't be surprised or angry. But if you'd rather vote for a baddie today, and get rid of the one person who can learn your role and then kill you to take all your cards, I think we're much better off lynching SVS today. Let the baddies kill me at night, they will have to at some point anyways. And I still have my protect, so maybe I can get them to waste an NK in the process

Voting Blooper and Dego. I'd rather vote DP over Dego, but somehow he doesn't have any votes.

I don't know what you were expecting from me, SVS. Splintsy's suspicion of me was even sketchier than Llama's and she almost got me lynched on false pretenses. Don't see what that has to do with me being LMS or not, either.

Speaking of which, splintsy keeps saying she'll respond to me but hasn't done so. I don't know that I needed a response from her, but it's interesting that she keeps saying she'll do it and then doesn't deliver.

Linki. My poll says :22 as well.

Is the poll being extended at all?

S~V~S wrote:Other than LC, who do you plan on voting for, TH?

I was thinking of using my second vote on a non participant. Odds are they're in an LMS group and need to die for us to win, and they're not helping us anyway. Probably Ninjablooper, because I think her lack of participation in this game while playing in another is kind of disrespectful to the players and the host.

Lorab's defense felt genuine to me so I don't feel comfortable voting for her yet but I hope to hear from her more once she has more free time.

Also the fact that you think Llama's case against me was holistic is laughable. It means you didn't even read all my posts, because neither did he and that's why there were holes in his case. The same holes I've pointed out before... the same holes you continue to ignore.

And I'm worried I'll be lynched simply because nobody else was discussed today, and we have to vote for 2 people. I have a feeling people will use their second vote on me simply because I've been the center of discussion for so long. Call it overdefensive if you want... I have no idea what that even means... is being overdefensive a baddie tactic? People have been at my throat all game. If I'm being overdefensive, it's because I've been overaccused.

And Llama's "pattern of behavior", his "building up of a whole" as you say, left out all of the points that went against his theory. His case was not whole at all. He only pointed out the things that he wanted to, to make his case look better. He made no mention of my involvement with BWT's lynch or the fact that my late vote means nothing in context.

But if you don't care about any of that, I understand. I'm not on your team, so you won't shed any tears at my wrongful lynch.

I want to buy 3 of the houses for sale at $150 each. I would buy more if I could. Now the baby blues can't buy hotels, and if just one more house gets sold, the greens won't have enough to build hotels either.

Just... just go ahead and lynch me. I'm tired of talking in circles. At least once I'm dead I'll be able to enjoy the rest of my vacation. I can't keep defending against points that make no sense, when people refuse to listen.

Long COn, you are the one who said this:

Long Con wrote:I think Llama's points about you are an important factor as well.

I asked you to point out which points were an important factor.

And instead of answering my question you just quoted his entire case.

You can't point to any individual point that just makes sense. You're just citing it because it exists.

Long Con is a threat to me and I think he's a threat to the rest of the civvies as well. I HAVE to be opportunistic right now. There are no other major lynch candidates but myself. If I don't want to die, I need to help find alternatives.

And that case by Llama completely glossed over my involvement in getting BWT lynched, because that fact didn't suit Llama's purposes.

So you just quote his case post and offer no analysis. I refuted that case multiple times, Llama never responded to any the counter points I made to it and neither have you. You ignore all my posts refuting the cases against me. You keep regurgitating the same old case that doesn't make sense, and the fact that it exists is apparently enough.

I call bull. You are voting for me because you are being opportunistic. I'm not on your LMS team, so you're hoping I get lynched.

I'm down to use one of my votes on Long Con, Marshy. Who are you looking at for this lynch?

Which points specifically from llama's case do you agree with, Long Con?

DFaraday, Day 5:

DFaraday wrote:I don't have a read on TH, but I need to do a reread before the poll closes.

DFaraday, Night 6:

DFaraday wrote:Tomorrow if I have time I'll do a read on TH and see if anything stands out.

DFaraday, Day 8:

DFaraday wrote:I haven't been keeping up as fully as I should be, but I'll go back and look at TH's posts before deciding today.

I tend to get suspicious of people who keep saying they will read the thread and never end up doing it. Hedgeowl did this in Doctor Who for days.

I meant to say rest in peace to MP but my post got sent to time out and I had to rewrite it and forgot.

juliets wrote:I'm unsure about Turnip Head being a baddie. Part of my problem is I can't remember all the evidence against him for being WW and I never did understand the theory that he's a railroad. But with that said, I have no other suspicions right now. I think some re-reading is in order if I can manage to do it over the holiday.

Juliets, Llama's case for me being Water Works was that I voted for BWT late. This evidence refused to take into account that I was the second person in the game to be suspicious of BWT after Epi and helped get him lynched. I brought this up multiple times, my accusers continued to ignore it. Then LC brought up a new case that I was Water Works because I suspected LoRab. In this scenario, Lorab is a railroad and I knew her role. I mainly debunked this by saying I should have tried to NK her in that case, but I guess it wasn't good enough for LC. Yet he wants to spend one vote on me today, but he also doesn't plan to vote for Lorab. So I suppose even he doesn't believe fully in his own case.

The case for me being a railroad was that Keys was Water Works and knew my role. This has been debunked as well.

So yeah. I've been talked about all game, and nobody is around for the holidays, and we have to lynch 2 people, so I fully expect to get lynched today by a bunch of people who aren't paying attention and just vote for me because they don't have any better ideas. Even though I feel like the cases on me don't even make sense and I've been fighting all game to show this, in addition to doing as much as I can to further the civvie cause. If you read my posts in this game, it's pretty evident that I've had the civvies' best interests in mind all game.

As I sit in the Las Vegas airport staring at a row of slot machines while waiting to board my connecting flight to Colorado, I realized this is a good time to mention that I'll be out of town visiting friends and family until Sunday. I'll still try to keep up and post my thoughts but I likely won't be as involved as I'd like to be.

$5 Boardwalk

Still getting the timeout error

Ohhhhhhhh. So the reds aren't getting the money from those houses. Got it.

Hmmmm. So my theory about Daisy is debunked by that. Good to know. She's likely one of the players who asked to be replaced.

In contrast, Ninjablooper has been on the site, and active in another game, yet absolutely refuses to post in this one. Her last post in this thread was on November 9th... 16 days ago. Yet I see her on the site all the time.

To reiterate, my suspicion is that Lorab is the railroad that killed Epi. Of course, if I'm right about that, I'll get accused of being Water Works again because Water Works knows Lorab's role.

I'm still suspicious of Lorab, and I still think Daisy could be BWT's partner based on her vote for him. I haven't gone back to look and see if she was around to have sent in the Night 6 kill, though. And we obviously still have to deal with the LMS groups, but I haven't figured out a good way to do that since - as juliets pointed out - those properties will still wind up in somebody's hands even if we lynch them.

S~V~S wrote:Thinking someone made some good points (even if they were wrong, they were still good points) is not "drinking the koolaid".

I don't know how points can be good ones if they are wrong ones, but in any case, the kool-aid comment was because it looked like you were doing the same thing splintsy and MM did: saying that I was saying things I never said. The way you phrased your question to me and pulled up my old quotes, you acted like I was contradicting myself or something, and I just didn't know what you were trying to point out by doing that. I still don't know.

And it's not a problem if splintsy doesn't want to do big quotes and a fleshed out case, SVS. I never said she had to do those things. Okay? The fact of the matter is, splintsy didn't say WHY she thought I was a railroad until after I asked, with 2 or 3 hours left to go in the lynch. In fact, she didn't even say she THOUGHT I was a railroad, all she said was that she thought I was more likely to be a railroad than Water Works, which is not an accusation at all. And she kept asking LC questions, like "Do you think TH is likely to be a railroad or LMS" without giving her own opinion, and I had to ask her how SHE felt because she wasn't saying. And then she said some vague stuff like "Some of my posts and votes" made her suspicious, and I'd simply like to know what that means. Which votes, which posts? I feel these are fair questions for me to want the answers to.

fingersplints wrote:At work and then spending quality time with my niece who I may not get to see again much before I leave. THs post is too much for my phone posting. So I will try to address it later, however insulting how I play doesn't give me much incentive to want to.

I didn't mean to insult the way you play splintsy. I meant to say that it was bad form to lynch me before Keys since the only part of your case with any specificity to it was the theory that he was Water Works and knew my role. Yet you weren't voting to lynch Keys on those same merits, you went after me instead. That's bad form because it's bad logic and because it left me in a really shitty position where I had to say "well lynch Keys first then and see if he's Water Works". I felt it was somewhat personal that you didn't want to lynch him, even though you thought he was a baddie. It didn't make sense to me and it didn't leave me in a very good position yesterday. And I was pretty upset about that.

And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as confrontational or harsh. It's not my intention. I'm just exhausted from having to defend myself day in and day out this game. It's been one thing after another.

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Why do you think I'm a railroad splintsy? That's a new one...

It shouldn't be new because I have said it before.

I don't have any concrete case or anything if that is what you are expecting. There is a vibe I get from some of your posts and votes, and your interactions with people.
Plus how I believe keys would have played a WW role and his vote for you.

You say it's a vibe from my posts, my votes, and my interactions with people. How incredibly vague. Which posts? Which votes? Which interactions? Which people?

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Splints: because I'm at work you jerk. You threw these accusations up at the last minute. You'll better believe I'll have things to say if I survive this.

And yes I'm defensive. I'm fucking fighting for my life because I've done nothing but defend LC's case all day and now you just tried to get a different lynch train started on me in the final hours without even doing due diligence .

Last minute? Final hours?

I posted yesterday at 5:31 I thought you were a railroad. I gave you 29 hours to even question it. It is not fair that you get mad at me because you waited until "last minute" to ask me about it. I'm not trying to get any lynch train started. I am trying to discuss who could be railroads since I think its a more necessary right now.

Here's the post you linked to:

fingersplints wrote:I think LC has good points but I think TH is more likely to be a railroad.
I do not believe he would waste a kill purposefully, and I do not think he would go against bwt that early if he was his teammate. I have been teammates with TH twice fairly recently, and he is a very team oriented player.

You gave reasoning for why it was not likely I'm Water Works, and then you simply said "I think TH is more likely to be a railroad." Okay... how did you want me to respond to that? Did you just want me to say "No, I'm not either one"? Because that's all I COULD have said. Your statement was not a case, that's just you saying you think I'm more likely to be one thing than the other and giving no reasoning behind that notion whatsoever. I had to pry to figure out why you thought I was a railroad.

The reasoning that you later used for suspecting me, the "Keys is WW and learned TH's role and voted for TH because TH is a railroad" reasoning, THAT tidbit is what you did not bring up until the lynch was almost over. I most certainly did not have 29 hours to respond to it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:No MM. Splintsy's case on me is BASED on Keys flipping Water Works. He wants to quit. Why isn't she voting him FIRST? It would give her case some credibility if he flips WW and poke holes in her case if he's civ. either way it looks like he doesn't want to play anymore. Meanwhile I've been fighting for my life all damn game.

You also think keys is WW, so where does that put your stance on fingers? What if keys is WW, can you still deny fingers' allegations?

Um... I didn't say I think Keys is WW, I don't know where you got that idea. I specifically said I hope he's NOT Water Works because that would prove Splintsy's theory wrong. If Keys had flipped WW, firstly I would have been happy we lynched a baddie, but I would have had to face the consequences of what that meant about me in relation to splintsy's theory. I'm not a railroad, so yes, I can definitely deny the allegations. Whether or not anyone believes me is a different story I suppose, but I know the truth of my role so I can at least argue with conviction.

fingersplints wrote:TH actually wouldn't previously answer if he thought keys was WW, funny how now he agrees.

"Funny how now he agrees", you say... except I did not "now agree that Keys is WW". That never happened. THAT NEVER HAPPENED! You guys are literally making this up! Again, I said I hope he's NOT Water Works because him being WW would look bad for me. MM said that I said something that I never said (see above), and now you're just repeating what he said I said. It's like a bad game of telephone.

S~V~S wrote:Weren't you the one appealing to me about not wanting to lynch WW becasue of the insecurity of the kill passing? Do you remember saying this?

Turnip Head wrote:And now that I think about it, the fact that BR seems so gung ho on lynching an inactive Water Works today might be an indication that she is in the LMS group that won the Beatdown power. There's not much other incentive to go after an inactive Water Works. A civvie BR should be happy that the kill is not currently being used against us. Something to ponder.

And this?

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, I know you are just as worried as I am about where a baddie kill might end up once a team is eliminated. I'm not sure if you saw this, since you mentioned Boo's previous ambiguous answer re: the kill. This was a power that Boo put up for silent auction:

boo wrote:4) Beatdown: This power allows anyone with BTSC to take over the night kill of one of the mafia teams. In order to do so, all members of the mafia team must be dead (at least 1 of them must have been killed with help from a member doing the beatdown), and then the night kill can be claimed. Can be played prior to the requirements occurring, but will only go through once they are met. Bids for this power can be done privately. - Starts at $200

It's very likely that one of the two established LMS groups has obtained this power.

I'd rather leave the kill in the hands of an inactive player than to just hand it over to one of those guys.

Yes, I remember saying those things. What I do NOT remember saying was that I wanted to lynch Water Works today. What do these quotes have to do with anything? Were you drinking the same Kool-Aid as MM and splintsy? Were you seeing things that simply were not there?

And even so... I said those things back when I thought WW was going to keep being inactive/not making kills. We obviously live in a different world these days. Nowadays, if we let Water Works live, he's apparently still going to kill us. My whole "leave the NK in the hands of an inactive player" strategy doesn't work anymore. We are going to have to lynch Water Works at some point, and that kill is inevitably going to pass to another team. But you're acting like I suddenly changed my tune and that that somehow is damnable evidence.


All of this to say, at the end of the day, I still don't understand splintsy's desire to vote me out first before voting for Keys, since her theory hinged on Keys being Water Works. Splintsy said she thought Keys was Water Works, and BECAUSE he was Water Works I must be a railroad. That was her case. But for some yet undetermined reason, splintsy wanted to skip lynching Keys and go straight to lynching me. It's like if the jury reaches a verdict before the case goes to trial. It just doesn't make any sense to do it that way.

But this is all basically moot. Keys wasn't Water Works, he didn't know my role. He was just a civvie who didn't want to play the game.

I don't even really suspect you splintsy, I don't see a baddie framing cases in the way that you have here... but the way that you approached the vote today seemed like bad form to me. You were making unsubstantiated assumptions about Keys' role, and you wanted to lynch me, not him, because of those wrong assumptions. And without Keys' role being revealed, there was nothing I could even do to defend against those assumptions. And all of this happened, like, 2 hours before the deadline. Do you see maybe why I got so defensive about this?

Rest in peace keys. Sorry you didn't want to play with us anymore, and sorry you got lynched like that.

Splintsy, I'll reply to you later tonight when I'm home from work.

Splints: because I'm at work you jerk. You threw these accusations up at the last minute. You'll better believe I'll have things to say if I survive this.

And yes I'm defensive. I'm fucking fighting for my life because I've done nothing but defend LC's case all day and now you just tried to get a different lynch train started on me in the final hours without even doing due diligence .