The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Can you explain what you mean by this, Rico? What do you mean I've been very "informed"?

Meaning if you're in Team Light and your deductions are based on having more knowledge about things than a two-player BTSC or individual player work*. For instance, your take on Misa's Note going to Light if she relinquishes it (or to Higuchi / Mikami?? I remember a quote from you in that regard as well, yesterday). This is still really nothing certain from the roles about that, especially now that it's revealed Light might also get Rem's note, if she sacrifices herself. But it's an astute idea nevertheless. The difference is that, if you're in Team Light, that sort of information becomes rather more "factual".

*hmm, well, since you claim Shinigaminess, you're actually either in a team of two or a team of four anyway.

I just think it's more likely that Misa's Death Note went somewhere because I don't think it makes sense that it would just disappear from the game. But yes, the fact that Rem's Death Note can eventually enter into circulation does make it a little more likely that Misa's Death Note evaporated, I suppose. But this is all simple speculation on my part.

DH, I remember you saying that Kira should have killed BR on the night they killed Zomberella unless they knew who BR was. Given that Metalmarsh and Co. seemed to know that Boomslang would show up as Watari - which is my working theory for why they wanted Mikami to kill himself yesterday, to make it two nights instead of two lynches - what do you think of the possibility that one of their Kiras took the Shinigami Eye Deal? I think they might have role-checked Black Rock and Zomberella together that night, and decided that BR's role wasn't worth killing. That could point to her not being a detective.

I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.

I think it's time to start talking about Black Rock. In my opinion she's been neglecting this game to the point where I'm officially uncomfortable about her allegiance. I think she would be much more involved if she's a detective, but even if she's a Sympathizer I think she would be posting more because she would have more of a handle on the game, so this makes me think she is Yotsuba. It seems to me that BR doesn't much care to be involved in the discussions, maybe she doesn't care which way the lynch ultimately swings, and that seems to fit Yotsuba's goals more than the other factions. There's only one Yotsuba we need dead though, and like I said, that role still might be unkillable. But I'm curious to hear what people think of her.

Ricochet wrote:If TH, for instance, will prove to have been genuine in his help and level of deductions, that he's been kicking ass in this game - but if the contrary, he's just been very "informed".

Can you explain what you mean by this, Rico? What do you mean I've been very "informed"?

DharmaHelper wrote:Mikami should have killed him/herself.

In fact, Mikami should do that today as well.

Nah he won't. Too scared. No balls.

I think Russ is good with words too. His words make it clear to me that he hadn't made up his mind about Boo.

It makes me think Russ was still unsure about Boo.

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:boo I started off being absolutely convinced was detective. Then he had a spat with...Epi, I think? Since then I've read him as somewhat grumpy and with a MAJOR dose of tunnel-vision. I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent. If he could go back to posting more analytically then I would feel a lot better about him. For example, his bea case was kind of a "believe, I promise I'm right" deal in the vein of Zomba's on Snowman, but that's not really boo's (best) play style like it is Zomba's. So I'm kinda waiting on the return of Detailed Analysis boo, but he has my eye for now.

Okay Epi so then what do you make of the underlined part of Russ' post in that case?

Looking forward to the rest of your thoughts. Hopefully it's not all Russ-centric...

thellama73 wrote:I did look at the content of the posts. It doesn't read the same to me. I think he is more aggressive and more involved in this game.

I read boo's post in that game as well and I came to the same conclusion.

You said "Bingo" in big capital letters so I thought you had something.

C'mon mang gives us the goods

Are you reading the thread chronologically or just individual players?

FZ. wrote:Can I just say that I love you TH (but if you turn out bad, I'm never trusting you again).

boo wrote:During the last lynch, right before the kill:

FZ. wrote:I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

The NK was 4 minutes later. Boomslang (Watari, obviously) being lynched, did have a big result, it caused two straight lynches. So it seems to me like FZ knew that was coming. She was also already pushing lynch discussion for the next lynch after Boomslang died, which makes me think she knew this would be the follow up.

If anyone could tell me why it would make ANY damn sense for FZ to make that comment if she knew the NK was coming, I'd love to hear it.

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

I also voted for you because you didn't respond to my accusation that you had slipped up. You're still trying to sweep that little detail under the rug I see.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I would like everyone to take note of FZ and TH's transparent sham attacks on me. TH demanded I name new suspects, immediately. If I don't, he reasons, I must be bad. FZ helpfully piles on.

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" kind of questions. If I comply, I look opportunistic and desperate to get the spotlight off myself. If I refuse, I look uncooperative, despite the fact that me naming names proves nothing. A baddie could easily spit out two or three suspects at will.

These are not real attacks based on evidence. They are just petty attempts to set me up.

You could share your thoughts though.

I believe I just did.

So your additional suspects are "FZ and TH."

To be fair he did just make a post about Epi being Higuchi :P

Epignosis wrote:Going to reread the entire game now.

Holy shit good luck dude

And I don't understand all this "FZ would fight tooth and nail if she were an unlynchable Kira and not an unlynchable detective". That is ass backwards logic if you ask me. A detective probably doesn't want to waste a lynch on herself. If FZ is Light, she would likely have to relinquish the Death Note at some point anyway. Once Higuchi dies, she would get it back, and she'd remain unkillable in the interim, AND SO WOULD MOST OF HER TEAM, so I see no logic in that argument. FZ played the way she did because she is FZ.

Roughly half of that should have been in orange.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:llama and Epi, have you ever considered that maybe you were kept alive every day so you can keep pushing me lynch?

Have you ever considered that maybe I pushed your lynch so I could be kept alive?

I forgot to mention that this is most assuredly a perspective that makes sense for a detective to have. Push a lynch against someone regardless of your victim's alignment in order to keep yourself alive in a game where dead detectives are able to win. That's definitely what detectives do. That doesn't scream Yotsuba at all.

FZ. wrote:TH, why do you think Boo is on the level?

I have no real reason to trust Boo. I just feel that his suspicions and concerns (including his concerns about me) have come from a genuine detective's perspective. It feels like he's trying, even if I don't agree with his methods or observations. Don't let me stop you from suspecting him though. I have no information about Boo.

thellama73 wrote:Turnip Head, I was obviously referring to the person who sent in the kill, the current Kira. I have no information on who that person may or may not have BTSC with. It was not a slip. Go nettle someone else, Shinigami, it grows tiresome.

linki: call it all you want. See who listens. I don't take my orders from you.

If you were obviously referring to that, then you should have said so at the time that I questioned you on it. You didn't want to do so then, for some reason. You specifically only replied to the second part of my post addressed to you.

Llama said he had new suspects in light of the FZ lynch. He refuses to name them. I call BS.

If Mata relinquished her Death Note to survive the lynch and it passed to Higuchi or Mikami, Llama could be one of those two Kiras.

I want to bring this to everyone's attention:

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Speculation requires a statement. I just asked a question. However, there is exactly one person in this game who knew at what time Boomslang would be killed.

Uh... there could be up to 4 people who knew exactly when Boomslang would be killed. Are you saying you know that the current Kira is working alone? Why did you not share this information sooner? Is this a slip-up?

I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

Llama only responded to the second half of my post, bypassing completely my insinuation that he slipped up:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

I don't know. I just think it's weird.

Name a suspect or I'm voting you right now Llama. You said you have them. Name them.

thellama73 wrote:Who would you guys like me to lead you towards? There are so many good options.

Now I know you're just bullshitting.

thellama73 wrote:Too bad I'm the only one capable of leading lynches, huh? Oh wait, I'm not. It's just that no one else does.

You cannot be serious.

Oh man I can't wait for you to name your suspects Llama. I'm sure you have a good reason for not naming them yet.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

Yes.

Oh man, I wonder if you're gonna tell us who.

I think Boo is on the level. Just my read of him.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:But I'm done with this bull shit sorry I had something that needed my attention more then mafia.

I really hope you're not using this excuse if you're a baddie, Bass. I really hope not. Because personally you are making me feel terrible for suspecting you.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Does anyone else think it's weird that FZ's comment about the night kill came less than four minutes before the night kill? Coincidence?

Sounds to me like ..... speculation.

Speculation requires a statement. I just asked a question. However, there is exactly one person in this game who knew at what time Boomslang would be killed.

Uh... there could be up to 4 people who knew exactly when Boomslang would be killed. Are you saying you know that the current Kira is working alone? Why did you not share this information sooner? Is this a slip-up?

I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

thellama73 wrote:Does anyone else think it's weird that FZ's comment about the night kill came less than four minutes before the night kill? Coincidence?

I must admit I found it quite spooky

The other reason was that people think all of your suspects have been incredibly convenient ones for a baddie to have.

You had time to catch up Bass, okay, but you didn't respond to any of the suspicion against you. How is that supposed to make people feel about you?

Ricochet wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Im going to go ahead and vote FZ. I agree that its odd that she is defending so hard if she is going to survive. My top suspect is mata but we can't lynch her today.

RIP Boom

Holy hell, your top suspect is a proven unlynchable yet again.

How does this affect your opinion of Bass, Rico?

lol Bass.

Rest in peace Boom

Do what you gotta do boo

Wow Llama. Just wow.

Seriously Llama take it back. I am offended that you say I haven't been making cases on others.

thellama73 wrote:If people want me to vote for someone other than FZ, MAKE A FRIGGIN CASE. Quit just saying "don't vote for her." YOu have to give a more plausible alternative. Why does no one understand that except Epi? SHow me who the bad guys are and I will listen, but just being denialists is not going to chance anyone's mind.

I've literally done this for days. You wanted to lynch FZ a few days ago, I worked on getting MM lynched instead. Yesterday you wanted to vote for FZ, I made a case on Mata instead and got her lynched. None of that mattered because you still want to lynch FZ today. I gave in for a second and impulsively voted for her, but even since then, I and others have made a case on Bass being Mikami.

So don't act like we haven't been doing this.

FZ. wrote:DH and TH, do you think llama and Epi are misguided or bad?

Misguided and stubborn.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?

As I said already, we will waste far more time if we keep having this conversation every day than if the lynch fails as she predicts and we move on.

The only reason we keep having to have this conversation everyday is because you and Epi won't let it go regardless of what else is happening in the game. You and Epi are the ones forcing that. You're the ones who can't move on.

I will move on when, and only when, we see how an FZ lynch turns out.

Thank you for 100% proving my point.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Yes, her fate of NOT BEING LYNCHED. Unless of course, she's lying, which I think she is.

MM and Mata peacefully succumbed to being lynched. That's because baddies love wasting lynches. Civvies don't.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?

As I said already, we will waste far more time if we keep having this conversation every day than if the lynch fails as she predicts and we move on.

The only reason we keep having to have this conversation everyday is because you and Epi won't let it go regardless of what else is happening in the game. You and Epi are the ones forcing that. You're the ones who can't move on.

Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?