The Syndicate

I'm really sorry MM Rest in peace.

Canucklehead wrote:

Zombarella wrote:Bye MP. Take care. Hi Bass! I already suspect you because I suspected MP a little. I'm here to see how the vote turns out....

Wait. Did I miss the announcement where Bass is the one replacing MP?

Yes. :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:How does one hold a baddie?

By the edges, as far away from you as possible.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I agree, Canuck, and I realize I've been ridiculously drama-y this game and a terrible example for the site. I apologize for doing so. And I apologize for not getting invested properly. And I apologize for wasting everyone's time. I really do. But people are expecting crap from me and I made every effort to actually discuss this game and every attempt I made was stifled last night and honestly reading what I did last night while I was catching up, MM seemed way more genuine to me than TH, so it does feed into my only thoughts I have this game. I'm not intending to start anything with anyone. I'm leaving this game anyway.

You've admitted to not reading the relevant parts of the thread, but you also say you voted for me because you did read it and MM seems more genuine than me to you. This seems like an easy way for you to get out of discussing the actual issues. Did you read the thread or didn't you? Do you understand what I'm accusing MM of and what he's accusing me of? Do you understand how LC, Epi, and Zomberella also factor into the discussion about me and MM? Because it sounds like you're taking sides without actually being well-versed on the issues being argued, and that's a huge red flag for me.

I have not had a pissy attitude with you, MP. I have not attempted to stifle your discussion. I encouraged you to read the relevant parts of the thread so you could join the discussion, but you didn't want to do that.

linki: Yes you kept bringing up points about Day 1 things that weren't relevant anymore. I suggested that you keep reading and comment on things once you were finished. You said yourself you felt like you were getting nowhere with your catch-up strategy. I suggested an alternative, and you weren't interested.

Okay.

Once again I'll say: If Zomberella was on my team, and Epignosis too, this would not have been our plan: "Hey Zomba, you should make a post that makes it look like BF is right about you! Then Epi and I will post and make it look like we think it's true! Yay distancing!" That is not a plan that baddies would come up with, because that's an awful plan. If I was on a team with Zombarella, I would have encouraged her to post something completely different.

linki: MP if you're not going to read the thread and instead keep talking about how much you don't want to play, please just ask to be replaced. I am not surprised at all by your vote for me. You seemed completely unwilling yesterday to discuss what was actually currently happening, and now you vote for me and say MM seems genuine, when I'm not convinced you've even read the relevant parts of the thread.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Just a bit after this, TH asked Dom why he picked the item he did.

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, can you talk a little bit about why you chose the Promissory Note item on Day 0?

This question just seems out of the blue. Why does TH care about Dom's item, but not about anyone else's item?

I explained immediately afterwards why I asked Dom about his item. You quoted it so you couldn't have missed it.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:For instance are you suspecting Dom or just asking a question? I can't tell you're eyeing the thread. Makes me suspect you for eyeing everyone. (that was a joke)

Just asking him a question. I thought it was an interesting choice based on the roles, and he didn't explain it when he voted, so I wanted clarification.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:It looks like TH is trying to set himself up for a vote for Dom, but he continues to back off and accept Dom's responses.

Dom's responses made sense to me and answered my questions, but that doesn't mean he's not suspicious to me just because he gave a good answer.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis and TH immediately respond with a "Well that's interesting". But curiously, neither of them ever followed up on it, just left it at that. I believe that this was a set-up for themselves. If the lynch were to sway Zomba's direction, they are in perfect position to pile their votes on. But the lynch didn't sway that direction, so they were in a position to back right off of that suspicion. This is one of many examples of TH and Epignosis being on the same page, and I will address that in a bit.

You don't think that if Epi or I were on a team with Zomba, we would have encouraged her to respond to BF differently?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:But leading up to the lynch, TH began pushing blindfaeth.

No I didn't.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Turnip Head finally voted for Dom. For some reason, TH decided to include in his post that he is "okay" with blindfaeth being lynched, yet for some reason, TH voted for Dom. There's a couple peculiar events that happened after this that make this vote especially noteworthy. TH later accused LC of throwing away his vote (for want of a better term) when LC voted for me on Day 1. TH's reasoning for that accusation is that we should all be wary of placing odd spread out votes in case we place one on the millionaire. But TH still placed a vote on Dom even though he was okay with LC being lynched.

TH also has not mentioned Dom once since then, aside from acknowledging that he voted Dom on Day 1. Since Dom was TH's "top suspicion" from Day 1, this doesn't make sense.

I haven't mentioned Dom since then because that was Day 1 and I have much better suspects to pursue currently.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:This post is vague and ambiguous. I asked TH to expound on it, and he didn't give a good answer. But the ensuing few posts show his support of Epignosis. That first post was odd because it came merely a minute after Epignosis began questioning LC, which is one reason why I think that TH has BTSC with Epignosis. I know that idea doesn't make him bad, but the other events are what make me think otherwise.

I told you not to be concerned about my unwillingness to talk in detail at night. I told you that you wouldn't be disappointed by my activity during the Day phase. I have not been evasive at all since night ended, so I don't know what point you're making here.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:At one point, I asked Epignosis what he thought of Turnip Head.

And here was TH's response. Based on the thread, it was not particularly obvious that Epignosis's hand was being forced.

Yes it was. You, Epi's top suspect, asked Epi what he thought of me, the guy that agreed with him about you. And he gave an especially over the top answer about me, with no thread-based analysis to go with it. I knew immediately that he was being facetious. Doesn't take BTSC for me to realize that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:TH never did respond to this particular accusation, and considering how uqickly the back-and-forths were happening, it took him a while to say anything in general, as his next post came 25 minutes later with a complete change of subject.

I didn't respond to it because it was such an obvious troll attempt on your part.

Canucklehead wrote:TH, you didn't seem very surprised by Epi's bottle-cures responses earlier...that seemed weird to me.

Epi's answer to the question about me was obviously not genuine, it didn't take me but a moment to realize that, so I reacted to it similarly. I didn't know he was targeted by an item, but he was obviously being facetious when he said I was bad.

And while we're talking about it, I really doubt that that's what the bottle does. I think it's more likely that Epi was targeted not by an item, but by a power from the baddie camp. Probably something like this:

Roles wrote:Macleish MacPherson - The Crooked Doctor - Can dispense medicine that does a variety of unsavory and often illegal things.

That's what I thought you would say

MM, what are your thoughts on LC? I know I'm making an assumption that you are a baddie with him, but I have problems with LC's behavior today regardless of your role. LC has said some sketchy stuff today IMO, and at this point I'm more convinced of his baddness than yours. So, what do you make of him? The fact that you've mostly ignored him today is part of the reason I've been growing more convinced that I'm on the right track.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm going ahead and voting for me.

it is just as the prophecy foretold

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MP, I think TH is bad and you should vote for him.

I also think that Epignosis is bad, Zomba is bad, and SVS and Dom could be bad.

Yeah sure, try to buy the vote of the guy who won't pay attention :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.

I honestly may just randomly vote for a D1 BF voter.

Well, sorry, but I didn't want to build ONE gigantic post that I knew people would ignore anyway; I'm just trying to play differently.

So... you're not even going to try to comprehend the things that are being discussed today? The things you haven't read?

Golden voted for Metalmarsh.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.

What are you talking about?

I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.

Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.

What are you talking about?

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.

Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.

For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.

Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.

LC literally stated his case on Epi and voted for Epi in the same breath. Didn't even wait to hear Epi's response or the responses of others. Does that seem like a genuine case?

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I'm trying to be super open-minded about S~V~S, knowing that I consistently read her wrong ALWAYS, but why did she say she wasn't going to vote for BF on Day 1 and then did anyway?

Maybe because that did not happen.

SVS said this on Wed, 6:45 pm:

S~V~S wrote:I am not voting for you now, BF, and am not sure that I even will. It's early, and it's Day One. We are talking about what has caught our eye, and this is what has caught mine.

And then 30+ hours and 8 posts about her suspicions of BF later...

S~V~S wrote:I have a busy day tomorrow, and will be in the middle of D & D when the poll ends. Not 100% sure I will be here tonight, so i am going to vote now, I don't see me changing my mind.

*Votes BF*

I see nothing wrong here.

Epignosis wrote:I would love to see him probed on the Montel show. I would like to see his reaction to learning that he is, in fact, not the father, and then we should take him outside and beat hell out of him for being so evil.

I would agree to all of this, if I knew that it pleased you.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, am I really beyond saving?

That's not what you told blindfaeth on Day 1.

You are not blindfaeth. Stop comparing things that have no reason to be compared. You're trying too hard

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Now that's a post right there. Takes you smoothly from Point A to Point B.

I'm guessing your take on it is that I'm Metalmarsh's baddie teammate, and I'm trying to save him.

I think you could give a rat's ass about MM at this point, he's beyond saving. You're trying to save your own skin here, Con. I like how you wait to bring up your case on Epi in the same post where you vote for him, because that's a real thing civvies do. But I also like how you managed to squeeze in the tidbit on how your suspicion of MM has apparently been a civvie-minded ruse this whole entire time, and you just casually plopped that in there in the middle of a goddamn sentence, like it's not supposed to be some huge revelation about your behavior thus far that is supposed to change everything about how we see you. Beautiful post construction. Well done.

Now that's a post right there. Takes you smoothly from Point A to Point B.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, time to commence Operation HSK Thread Catchup.

Is anyone going to be around? This could take a while...

LizKeen wrote:Based on what I had reread I would say my current suspicions are SVS, rabbit, LongCon and Vompatti. But I'll have to go into that further tomorrow because it's really late and I'm tired.

LizKeen wrote:Ugh, okay so after losing all my notes last night I decided to start fresh today and accidentally hit my touchy, touchy computer plug and lost everything AGAIN. LizKeen is not a happy camper. (You would think I would be saving like crazy but nope, just not that smart.) So I decided to just focus on one person because if I lose everything again on 4 people I'm going to seriously LOSE MY MIND.

SVS I've pulled some quotes from you, my comments are underneath each one:

I'm sorry your post got eaten, LizKeen, but after looking at your thoughts on SVS, I would like to see your thoughts on the other three suspects you named too, if you wouldn't mind retyping it

Long Con wrote:One thing that does make me possibly doubt Metalmarsh is a baddie is that he and BR have a recent history with regard to Night 1 kills of BR by MM's baddie team. BR got revenge on him in Donner Mafia, killing him as soon as she got a chance to, and I just don't know if I believe he'd be so eager to jump back into killing her on Night 1 again. I mean, he's an asshole, sure, but is he 100% a dick?

There's only one way to find out for sure.

Epignosis wrote:I wasn't fond of the notion that people should suffer a potentially powerful Mafia member just because he cracks wise either.

You're not going to get a consensus like that going because nobody fucking talks until there's a few hours left to vote.

Another reason civilians on this site lose.

I'm voting Metalmarsh and getting this thing going.

Good point Epi. Plenty of people have voiced support of lynching MM if there's support for it, so it looks like it's time to nut up. I voted.

I'll be around in a couple hours MP, I'd be happy to discuss things with you

And welcome back BR!

I think I understand Epi's take on the situation pretty clearly. It's everyone else that hasn't chimed in that I'd like to hear from.

rabbit8 wrote:Discretion? That sounds awfully like baddie speak.

You didn't want to save civvie BF? That sounds awfully uncivvielike.....

BF didn't want help. We weren't listening to him, and so he wanted out. He made this quite clear.

LC's vote went a long way towards convincing me about you too, MM. I didn't vote for you because I think you're the Millionaire , and the BF/Zomba thing was going to need some sort of closure. If I had suddenly started campaigning against you after LC's vote, people would have thought I was haphazardly trying to save BF in the eleventh hour, and I didn't want my intentions to get muddled. Talking about it in detail for Day 2 was a smarter move for me to make, IMO. Sometimes the key to being civvie is using some discretion.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Another note I should add, TH accused LC of voting for me on Day 1 instead of blindfaeth, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice at the time, and we should be wary of voting the millionaire. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 5-1 at the time. Yet TH voted for you, when you had zero votes, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 7-3 at the time.

Being wary of voting the millionaire is all well and good, but if we're too wary of it we'll never lynch him.

Just so we're clear, it was TH's recommendation to avoid voting the millionaire unless we are actually lynching him (how we would know, I have no idea). I realize I worded ambiguously though.

And I want to mention it again, that even though TH is 'worried' about voting for the millionaire, he voted for Dom, even though Dom was clearly not going to be lynched. TH, if you REALLY think that Dom is bad, why did it not cross your mind that he could be the millionaire, and your vote did more harm then good?

I know that right now you think I am the millionaire, but at the time of your vote, that was definitely not the case.

I did think you could be the Millionaire at the time of my vote, actually I voted Dom because I did not suspect BF (LC did, so this is not an even comparison), and I had to vote somewhere.

Canucklehead wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Think about this this way Canuck. LC suspected BF. According to his early morning mixup, he still suspects BF. BF got a bunch of votes before LC voted.

So why did LC vote for MM?

I dunno, people often suspect more than one person at once. I just don't think that an LC on a team with the millionaire would bother with the bf suspicions at all, if his intention was to vote for MM/millionaire all along. I don't know what the trouble of suspecting bf would gain him, in that scenario. Much simpler to just go with the "principled" anti-self-vote vote, and let the civs lynch one of their own without getting embroiled in that mess.

(You are the one who is seeing LC/MM as millionaire and teamie, right? I'm having a terrible time keeping track of which cases belong to which people)

Then why wouldn't he vote for the person he was suspicious of with the most votes?

To answer your question, LC bothered with the BF suspicion because, as a baddie, he felt an obligation to at least comment on the biggest talking point of the thread on Day 1 (BF). He never intended to vote for BF, but he wanted to at least be on record taking a stance on him before he hanged.

And yes, that's my theory.

Think about this this way Canuck. LC suspected BF. According to his early morning mixup, he still suspects BF. BF got a bunch of votes before LC voted.

So why did LC vote for MM?

Can you answer why you went after MM for self-voting, but neither of the first two players who did it? And can you answer why you would want to try to get others to vote for MM instead of voting for BF, when you had mentioned suspicions of BF as well - suspicions which you apparently currently still have? :P

Canucklehead wrote:Is anyone feeling leery about Dom? He's got that BUTTY/snappy quality to his posts this game that reminds me of Film Directors. He was a bad baddie then, and It pinged me in that game, too, but he assured me (and I gullibly beleived him) that it was b/c of real life busyness and mafia exhaustion.....
But now that I'm seeing it again, I'm feeling cautious about it. I seem to remember Dom being one of the funnier/jokier players of the old crew....so maybe I just don't know how to rea new Dom? I dunno, but is like to hear others' thoughts before I dig too hard into Dom as a suspect.

He's still on my radar, but I find this LC/MM business to be much more compelling at the moment.

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

If you actually suspected Blindfaeth, why would it matter that "there was still a possibility for others to vote for [MM] as well, and lynching him" instead of blindfaeth? If you're a civvie who thinks blindfaeth is bad, a blindfaeth lynch is an optimal result for you. No need to derail that and vote for MM to try and get him lynched instead.

Unless he's your Millionaire teammate. Or unless you just really wanted to assert your "I vote for self-voters" agenda

Long Con wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

Wait, you're still suspicious of bf? Didn't bf just get lynched? As a civ?




I know I'm only skimming along......but did I miss something big here re: bf?

No, that was just a post posted just after I woke up, and I wasn't thinking straight yet obviously. I read TH's suspicion of my vote, so I went back and looked at my vote, commenting from my point of view during that vote. I totally forgot that BF did get lynched and was indeed Civ.

So... you forgot who you were suspicious of yesterday other than MM, thus you couldn't understand the point I was making about your vote, so you went back to check your vote and respond from that same headspace, forgetting that Blindfaeth did indeed get lynched and flip civ already... meaning that after all this, you still didn't understand the point I was making about your vote.

Why do you keep asking me to talk in circles? I have already explained the difference between my vote and LC's. At least read my posts if you're going to keep hounding me

That's not always true.

Getting "info dumped" on you sucks when you're a civvie, too. I accused BWT of infodumping on me in Film DIrectors and we were both civvies. DFaraday once accused me of info dumping on him when we were both civs in Recruitment III, and he flipped out :P Civvies are just as paranoid as baddies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

Explain this further for me. Equivocate the logics.

The point that I am trying to make is that TH asked blindfaeth why he was giving up when he was leading the lynch 7-3. At this point TH placed his vote on you for some reason (I'll have to look back at why he did that).

But when Zomba came in and accused blindfaeth of ruining her role, TH responded with an "interesting" rather offering the same condolences.



Another note I should add, TH accused LC of voting for me on Day 1 instead of blindfaeth, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice at the time, and we should be wary of voting the millionaire. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 5-1 at the time. Yet TH voted for you, when you had zero votes, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 7-3 at the time.

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I didn't interpret Zomba's post as giving up. I interpreted it as "Great, now I'm screwed". And that's a reaction that I can see a player having with any role - civ, bad, whatever. Someone coming at you on Day 1 acting like they know something sucks no matter what your role is. And if we are to believe SVS's reading of the will, blindfaeth knew nothing about Zombarella's role.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

That logic is nothing like my logic. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

Because you think that Zomba is not a baddie. I don't know what your read on blindfaeth was yesterday, but you definitely did not vote for him.

Why do you think Zomba is not a baddie today? How did you feel about her yesterday, and how did you feel about blindfaeth yesterday?

Yesterday I thought her reaction was interesting. Today I believe her reaction was genuine, but not guilty. Meanwhile I have this whole theory that you and LC are bad, you might have seen it, so the fact that you and LC are the ones pushing this issue right now makes me feel a whole lot better about her too.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

That logic is nothing like my logic. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

What about it?

Long Con wrote:Turnip Head, why so sure about Zombarella?

I find Zomberella to be acting quite genuine at the moment. I think the will, as interpreted by SVS, points to absolutely nothing damning about her role. I have no reason to suspect her. And quite a few reasons to suspect others.

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

Avoiding?

Avoiding what?

As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry. I'd post something more substantive right now, but I've had a little bit too much bourbon right now. So those kinds of thoughts will have to wait until tomorrow.

I know I've had a touch too much because I had to go through this entire thing 4 times to fix all the awful spelling errors.

Well thank you for taking time out of your day to come in here and subtly push the lynch in my direction.