The Syndicate

Well, I think you should.

DrWilgy

fingersplints wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm voting wilgy. I'd like a larger discussion on Bass's inability to name a suspect soon.

I think he is purposefully avoiding discussion. I know I haven't been the most vocal, but I feel like I've tried to do my best to explain what's asked, and I don't feel like he is doing that. Whenever someone shrugs off little suspicion it always gets my eye, because I think most civvies are eager to defend the littlest things while baddies tend to brush it off in hopes it disappears.

I'm probably voting Bass. I feel alright about the Wilgy vote though. like I said this seems more like his baddie game vs what I saw when I hosted him. I was hoping to reread the game this reminds me most of (90's Mafia on jtm) but haven't had a chance to, and seems it probably won't be necessary at this point.

If you're okay with a Wilgy vote, I would prefer if you vote that way today.

LoRab wrote:Also votes can't be changed this round, it would seem.

That is an unfortunate turn of events.

I see.

Did you think that asking to be killed would make the baddies want to kill you?

It could also be an item making Wilgy act like a lemming.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why aren't we lynching timmer anymore?

timmer

Why do you want to lynch timmer?

Matt F I've never seen a role that couldn't vote of its own volition. I wouldn't know how to justify the design philosophy behind such a role, but I've also seen crazier things, so idk.

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why aren't we lynching timmer anymore?

timmer

I never fully understood the case against him. So

Who do you trust and not trust ?

I'm feeling good about Golden, I think. I'm looking at you, FS, and Wildgy. I'm on the fence about most players.


This however, STILL does not answer the question I asked you.

What makes you feel good about Golden?

I agree with you about splintsy and to a lesser extent Bass. What do you see in Wilgy? He's a bit of an enigma to me.

I like how you think that anything involving Dr. Dre has been convenient for me.

I also notice that Mac is the first player to be killed by the Tarnished Golem

Rest in peace Mac and Ham.

Golden, I suggest you consider taking my thoughts at face value and not looking for the worst. I was not being intentionally misleading with my thoughts on the doctor. I would not have said anything about the doctor until you point blank asked me. My point was that I have no fucking idea who or of which alignment he is, I think he could be a role of any alignment, and I think a player of any alignment would target me with their role given the chance. I was not being misleading when I answered your question, you are welcome to read the original World Apart thread on LP yourself. Drezenstein was effectively the most powerful civilian in the game and had a lot of tools at his disposal to take out baddies. If you think he's bad, well I'm not saying he cant be, but it has nothing to do with me. And to say that a player who was publicly targeted with unknown effects by a role of unknown alignment is a bigger threat than what is potentially a fully complete baddie team, I don't know where to start refuting that logic. It is baseless and rooted in speculation.

Is there you're someone you're suspicious of because of how they're playing?

Why is Dr. Von Drezenbitch not on the poll?

See you in the next game Floyd, hope things get better for you.

Nice job guys

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:My point is that in the last 8 days you have 0 posts about who you think is bad, and 3 posts about how you think the beacon is interesting or defending your point of view about it. You are able to post to defend yourself, but when asked why you aren't contributing to hunting baddies, it's because the internet.
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So you admit I had posts getting involved prior to the past 8 days. How does that line up with your view on a "baddie splints"? Wouldn't I have had trouble getting involved then too?

Nice spin No I think your involvement in general has been lightweight, but it is especially noticeable recently.

I'm cool with your vote Drac, I know you've suspected Floyd for a while. Splintsy didn't cite suspecting Floyd as a reason for voting him.

fingersplints wrote:Also TH - I'd always rather see someone lynched then modkilled. Lynching gives us information. Mod killing does not.

I like how you equate asking to be replaced with modkilling.

fingersplints wrote:I posted three times about it TH? Really? I posted once about it, then continued to post about it to defend myself.

I actually don't struggle to be engaged as a baddie. When I am revealed as a civvie it will prove that you are either intentionally mischaracterising how I play or just don't know me well at all.

My point is that in the last 8 days you have 0 posts about who you think is bad, and 3 posts about how you think the beacon is interesting or defending your point of view about it. You are able to post to defend yourself, but when asked why you aren't contributing to hunting baddies, it's because the internet.

You have told me before that you struggle to get involved in the discussion as a baddie, I obviously can't prove it because you said it in a baddie chatroom But nonetheless I have also seen civvie fingersplints and she finds ways to be involved.

Dom wrote:FS can you explain how your vote was out of self preservation when you have zero votes?

She had one vote but Draconus just switched to Floyd.

S~V~S wrote:Since I am not convinced by the case on Wilgy and do not think MM is a baddie, I will move my vote to Floyd for now as i find him more suspect than either Wilgy or MM, and he wants out anyhow

Any thoughts on splintsy or Bass? You say you're voting for Floyd because you don't like the cases on Wilgy or MM (and because he wants out lol)... what about the other players being discussed with votes?

fingersplints wrote:There is only one similarity between me and the BoB game and that is in both of them I had RL internet issues that have prevented me from posting more. I'm not sure how people can really say they even find them similar, when in BoB I distanced like crazy from my teammates, and in this game it seems one of the accusations is that I have stayed away from the baddie lynches.

I have more to address I am sure, but I am still trying to get the PC fully operational , so will be back later. For now I am voting Floyd because self preservation + he doesn't seem to want to play. I also could consider a vote for bass, who I have a break to let him get caught up earlier when I questioned him, but hasn't done anything to make me feel better about him.

splintsy, maybe you're having internet problems, I will take you at your word there. But internet problems did not stop you from posting three times yesterday about how you thought the beacon was interesting. Your internet was working then, so you had an opportunity to be engaged in the game, but only chose to talk about how you think the beacon is interesting. And when I know that you struggle to be engaged as a baddie from past experience, that concerns me.

You and SVS voting for Floyd "because he wants out" does not make me feel all warm and fuzzy either. When did we start lynching people because they want to be replaced?

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:In what ways does splintsy remind you of BoB?

In that game I could pin nothing on her... I felt like there was nothing to point to her alignment. She stayed so far under the radar, she didn't really engage a lot.

This is how I feel about her. Having been bad with her a few times, I think she struggles to be engaged more as a baddie than a civvie.

In what ways does splintsy remind you of BoB?

Golden wrote:Do you have any idea who is on the circle of decay team? Who do you suspect of being bad who you think is most likely to be on that team rather than Luke/Juliets team?

I don't have splints tied to a particular team but I think she might be bad. There's more evidence for Bass being on the juliets team but I think he could be on either one, because either way I think his contributions smell baddie.

Golden wrote:I haven't really seen you pursue the 'who is Dr Dre' angle much. Do you feel you have any more you could share on what ideas you have about who this could be? Do you think the role is more likely bad or indy (or even civ?)

I haven't been sure what to think about him, but I thought I remembered him being a civvie in the original World Apart, so I went to LP to check, and here's his role description:

World Apart wrote:Dr. Von Dreszen – The Doctor has BTSC with Silver Golem and Jimmy. Dr. Von Dreszen sends in the Silver Golem kill PM. Keeper of the life-gem that animates the Silver Golem.

Each night, Dr Von Dreszen will choose one person to abduct into his laboratory, to experiment on in the name of Science. (Yup, he's still on the Good Guys team, he just has questionable priorities when it comes to 'the greater good' - he believes his experiments will help to eliminate evil and suffering from the land.)

The Golem is also in this game though and looks like an indy, so there's nothing to say the doctor is a civvie in this game as well. I just don't really know who it is and haven't devoted much of my time to figuring it out. I know of three players that were in the area but there could have been more. I think if he's a baddie then we'll get him eventually, but he hasn't experimented on anyone lately, so it could have been Typh.

Golden wrote:If bass was off the table, who would be your most likely vote today?

splints, and I might vote that way anyway. Take a look at her post history and also the things I pointed out about her word use. I think splintsy gets accused of being blendy a lot when she's a civ, but that usually includes her sharing her thoughts. But here I think she's intentionally trying to fly under the radar and avoid attention. All she wanted us to know was that she thought the beacon was interesting.

Bass what do you think about the game?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Bass why weren't you here for either of the Juliets lynches the past two days?

I've been super busy.

I believe you. It says "Location: DMV" underneath your avatar.

I do believe you thought the beacon sounded interesting though.

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Don't blame you. I haven't been around. I am a civvie though, and hope I am around long enough now to prove it to you.

The beacon sounds interesting

Ripiywg dfaraday and bye juliets. I'm taking a break after this game too so see you around soon

splints what was the purpose of the underlined? It feels like you're talking just to talk

Not talking just to talk. Just recapping a bit on everything I had just read. Idk what to make of it, and I wish I had a better term to describe it then that, but I like to use interesting I think that someone should check it out. Not sure how much there is to speculate on it until we can figure out more though.

splintsy, the first embedded quote is the first post from you in roughly five days. Because your only observation was that the beacon sounds interesting, I accuse you of talking just to talk, and you respond with the underlined.

Your recap "on everything [you] had just read" only includes saying rip to the two recent deaths, and saying that you think the beacon sounds interesting. Those are things that had only just happened, and you hadn't posted in five days.

I believe one of two things is true. Either you really did get caught up on all that you've missed and came out of it with no new suspicions, or you were already caught up and just not contributing.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:My main beef with Bass is his posts during the Canuck vs juliets lynch. Here are his only two posts from that Day:


3:37pm

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry haven't been around . I'm catching up now.

9:12pm

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I ag ree I think juliets and canuck are both wroth lynching but I think Canuck is where my vote is going tonight.

What pings me is that he didn't justify why he chose Canuck over juliets when the lynch was 8-5 in juliets' favor when he voted. If he had said why he voted that way I would feel better, but it looks like a save. If he thoughts juliets was worth lynching, why didn't he vote for the frontrunner? There's also a 6 hour gap between when he said he was catching up and when he voted with nothing in between, which makes it feel like he was intentionally trying to stay out of the discussion that Day.

He doesn't have any on-topic posts since that vote. He just votes in the night polls.

Basically I'd like to hear from Bass about why he voted the way he did.

I voted that way because more people I trusted voted that way and I wasn't keeping up as much as I should have been.

That is... a very clever answer.

Tell me more about your suspicion of sig, Lorab. Does the fact that he's dead make you suspect him more?

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:

Golden wrote:It feels like a new post-juliets dawn where new suspicions need to come forth.

I have two clear thoughts so far. The first is that I can see a scenario where Dr Wilgy is bad and on the Cabal and they set up his 'death' knowing the night wouldn't count for cred. My impression from TH, and it was backed up somewhat when I asked about it in the thread, is that this is exactly the kind of gambit Wilgy would enjoy. It seems up his alley.

The second is that I get the feeling that tranq may know more about his death than he can expressly say. I get the sense that he has been honest in his suspicions about who killed him. Tranq, you may have answered this already, but do you know why/how you came back to life? I don't think Tranq is on the circle of decay, and he was killed by the Cabal, so that would seem to clear him... unless the Cabal wasted a kill knowing he would rezz (for cred reasons). Which seems unlikely to me.

So, I might vote floyd to see if tranq is right.

I'm going to listen to what people have to say about others too.

Golden, your DrWilgy suspicion assumes the Cabal is responsible for the restarted Night. Why assume this? Isn't it more likely a non-Cabal restarted the Night?

What, you mean just based on the odds? You have a point.

Here is the thing... Wilgy 'asked' in the thread to be killed that day. I feel like Wilgy, at least, knew about the restarted night. The whole thing read weird to me.

Wilgy doesn't remind me at all of how he played in Recruitment IV, the only other game I played with him (he was civ). He was jokey and OT in that game, but he still had solid contributions. He doesn't seem to be taking this game seriously. His post history is sparse on content, OT or otherwise.

My main beef with Bass is his posts during the Canuck vs juliets lynch. Here are his only two posts from that Day:


3:37pm

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry haven't been around . I'm catching up now.

9:12pm

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I ag ree I think juliets and canuck are both wroth lynching but I think Canuck is where my vote is going tonight.

What pings me is that he didn't justify why he chose Canuck over juliets when the lynch was 8-5 in juliets' favor when he voted. If he had said why he voted that way I would feel better, but it looks like a save. If he thoughts juliets was worth lynching, why didn't he vote for the frontrunner? There's also a 6 hour gap between when he said he was catching up and when he voted with nothing in between, which makes it feel like he was intentionally trying to stay out of the discussion that Day.

He doesn't have any on-topic posts since that vote. He just votes in the night polls.

Basically I'd like to hear from Bass about why he voted the way he did.

fingersplints wrote:Don't blame you. I haven't been around. I am a civvie though, and hope I am around long enough now to prove it to you.

The beacon sounds interesting

Ripiywg dfaraday and bye juliets. I'm taking a break after this game too so see you around soon

splints what was the purpose of the underlined? It feels like you're talking just to talk

Rest in peace DF.

Bass for now.

I forgot to say bye to juliets. I hope you know I really enjoy playing with you, see you in the next game

Don't you "good point" me guy. How did you know MM was making googly eyes at my corpse?

Although now I suppose I should ask MM how he knew other players were in the area.

Matt F wrote:Marsh - I read the first half of HBoy's ISO but I'm tired and will read the rest tomorrow. I did see where he lightly sussed juliets early and then immediately let her off the hook. I think he might be a good candidate tomorrow atm.

Turnip Head - I know one thing. I witnessed your dead body on a square and MM was on the same square. Then you were rezzed. If MM was on your square after you were dead, then it's possible (and likely) that he was also within three squares of you when the bad Doctor got a hold of you.

Then, when I originally asked the two of you what you all thought of each other, I believe you started having a mild back and forth and then boom, chums.

So Turnip Head, are you telling us that MM is not the bad Doctor? You think it was Epig?

Yes, we had a mild back and forth. I didn't feel the need to write ten pages about him. Do you know what we talked about in square chat?

No I don't think it was Epi. My point is it could have been, but I don't suspect him.

No, I don't currently suspect that it is MM.

Matt, did you know Epi and I shared that same square the night I "died"?

My interaction with MM is just how I play against him, he is my shinigami bro. Do you think it's odd that I was looking at him after I came back and woke up in a square with him?

The truth is I don't know if anyone else was also in the area when I died. Do you know if anyone else was in the area when I died?

Who do you think we should lynch jules?

juliets wrote:And as for finding baddies, anything I pointed out would be seen immediately with suspicion just because it's me who's pointing it out, or worst case, i would point out some baddie behavior and everyone would think they were civv.

I don't think that's true, in fact it's only really true if you are lynched and flip baddie. This feels like a copout answer juliets. You're saying you aren't looking for baddies because people suspect you.

C'mon mang I can't hold your hand. Look at her posts from the past couple of cycles and tell me if it feels like a civvie in danger, or a baddie lying just low enough until she can squeak by with some vote trickery.

For me, it's more what juliets isn't saying rather than what she is. Since she's been a prime suspect, she's become very quiet, only answering questions directed at her and voting for her competition. It's just not what I expect from a civvie juliets, I think she would want to be more involved in making sure she isn't mislynched and helping us find a baddie.

Then there's the fact that she should have been lynched over Canuck and wasn't. juliets claims she doesn't know what happened and did not expect to survive the lynch, but I simply don't believe her. I think her posts would look a lot different if she truly expected to die there.

I wonder if he'll know we're talking about him if we don't use his name.

I would like to lynch juliets by a landslide today.

DFaraday wrote:

Golden wrote: Why do people think Floyd is bad?

Affinity for Luke, vote for Nutella, Tranq's convenient death, coached-sounding comments...

Although I am starting to think there may be something to the Juliets case, if for no other reason than she's somehow gotten out of being lynched despite being the top discussion point for this long. Still, I feel more strongly about Floyd.

I think Floyd's affinity for Luke stems from outside of the game where they are RL friends. In my opinion the case on Luke wasn't that strong in the first place so I'm not condemning Floyd for not voting for his buddy there. I think it would be a coincidence if they were teammates. I wouldn't call Tranq's death convenient for Floyd if it ended up making him a suspect... Tranq was really the only one on Floyd's case, and no one was listening to Tranq. You don't think it could be a setup?

Golden wrote:What do people think of Wilgy?

I think he looks bad for how cavalierly he moved his vote off of juliets in a close lynch. I think Bass looks just as bad for similar reasons, because he said Canuck and juliets were both worth lynching but chose Canuck over juliets with no added justification for doing so.

Rest in peace Typhoony.

Does anyone have the Day 6 poll?

Sorry for missing the vote. Somehow I escaped the Keys alive and in one piece.

DrWilgy wrote:TH, if Juliets flips bad will you lynch me?

I don't know yet.