The Syndicate

Also, nobody but Epi responded to the point I made here. I'm starting to think Water Works doesn't have the EC card at all:

Turnip Head wrote:Wait... Can we assume that WW doesn't have EC because the latest person to land on a utility only paid x4 their roll instead of x10? It was x10 before BWT died, right?

I have no reason to lie about my involvement in the EC bidding. Whether I'm civvie or baddie, there's no reason for me to lie. If someone wants to present a theory as to why it would make sense for me to be lying about this, if love to hear it.

Boogs wrote:Guys, just to note:
This team starts the game with BTSC. Kills even nights Cannot be NKed by the Railroads. Any player who lands on a utility will have their property learned by the utilities, and if they are ever lynched, the utilities will have $300 applied to a bid on the property.
Does that explain why TH isnt dead with taking railroads and such? I think yes.

What on earth are you trying to say here Boogs? I'm not dead because no ones tried to kill me... How does me being alive make me bad? 0_0

juliets wrote:So TH, if he didnt get the $200 bonus (which he didnt) doesn't that mean you beat him because you were the only one of the bidders that did get the $200 bonus.

I thought I beat him, but Boo told me that I did not win the property. His exact words were "No, another $10 bid had already been made and bids must increase from the previous one to be accepted."

Juliets, Boogs didn't vote for BWT so he didn't get the $200 bonus. What doesn't make sense is why Boogs would bid $10 when he knew the bidding was at $206.

Hanna, the auctioneer can choose whichever offer they prefer. The biggest bid need not be accepted. If I hold onto Short Line, the baddies can kill me and get it for free. If I auction it, I can choose an arbitrary bid, and the baddies won't know who holds the property.

Wait... Can we assume that WW doesn't have EC because the latest person to land on a utility only paid x4 their roll instead of x10? It was x10 before BWT died, right?

And if I did win it, and I was Water Works... I wouldn't auction EC off.

Again, Boogs bid $10 when the bidding was at $206. I thought $210 would get me the property. It didn't. Somebody placed a secret vote, whether it was Boogs or some other non-BWT voter from Day 3. I am not the person auctioning off Electric Company because I didn't win.

I don't have a good answer to why I bid $10 instead of $7 Epi. I wish I had bid $7 because maybe I wouldn't be wrapped up in this controversy. I thought $10 would win me the property but I didn't win. I have no reason to lie about this.

I did win the Short Line yesterday and I plan on putting it up for silent auction since it seems like that's a thing.

If Boogs didn't think his bid would win, why did he make it? I think he put a secret vote on BWT.

Boogs wrote:

Boogs wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Boogs, I asked you to point out what specifically you agreed with on Llama's case yesterday, maybe you didn't see it.

Turnip Head wrote:

Boogs wrote:I would love to vote TH after the argument Llama showed, however with me not having time to keep up today, I will vote Hedge for a chance on her card.

Which part of llama's case on me did you like?

How you were persistent to win the Utility which a partner would do, and how you went 180 on BWT with how you felt on voting him. I think you are Water Works, TH.

You basically were like "Let me prove im good! Look at me!" When BWT was lynched and you latched on to quickly try to get attention on me. It felt fake and like you were blending to gain Cred because you knew your teammate was going down and you would be alone.

Literally none of those things are true. I was literally the first person to agree with Epi's case on BWT. I continued to push the case on BWT while others ignored it, go back and read the context, BWT was not being discussed much but I tried to keep the attention on him. I did not "latch on" to anything to get attention on you Boogs, in fact during the BWT lynch I did the exact opposite and defended you. In fact, I defended every major lynch candidate on Day 3 EXCEPT for BWT.

I've said all this before but I'm starting to think you never read my rebuttal to Llama's case.

I didn't do a 180 on BWT, that's simply not true and it's not part of Llamas case.

You bid on Electric Company too, Boogs.

Boogs, I asked you to point out what specifically you agreed with on Llama's case yesterday, maybe you didn't see it.

Turnip Head wrote:

Boogs wrote:I would love to vote TH after the argument Llama showed, however with me not having time to keep up today, I will vote Hedge for a chance on her card.

Which part of llama's case on me did you like?

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:yay no death

Can some reiterate the case on TH please?

Yes.

Thank you. I will read it later tonight. I wonder why Boogs just ignored my question. If he wants me to believe him that isn't the way to go about it. What do you feel about Boogs? Do you think he can be a utility?

When you're finished reading Llama's case, don't forget to read my rebuttal to it

I think if Epi and LC are in a full color group together, they're more likely to be the baby blues. Only one property in that group, apparently, has enough money to buy a house. So two someones in that group are hurting for cash.

I think the red group is comprised of low posters and frugal spenders.

Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

- Ninjablooper hasn't posted in 7 days (she has 8 total posts).
- DP hasn't posted in 7 days either, since before he was sent to jail (only 3 total posts).
- Degobunny hasn't posted in 8 days (17 total posts).
- Daisy has only 3 posts and has admitted to not reading the thread or understanding the rules.

How do we get these players to participate more?

That's some high quality trollin, Hedgeowl.

*shakes fist at Long Con*

$180 votes

Voting Hedgeowl. It doesn't get any more obvious than this

$90 on the 5 votes

Boogs wrote:I would love to vote TH after the argument Llama showed, however with me not having time to keep up today, I will vote Hedge for a chance on her card.

Which part of llama's case on me did you like?

What happens if we lynch a player whose property has houses/hotels on it? Do the houses go away?

We need a highly trained accountant to go through LC and Epi's books and see if they could even afford to purchase that many houses.





MovingPictures07.... I summon thee!!!!!

No... lol

Mongoose got replaced. I think it was Bea.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What's happened to MP?

And where's keys? He seems to have disappeared after the Day 1 union discussion. I miss him.

It's also possible that BWT gave his auction win item to his partner, and THAT person has the Electric Company.

@boo: If you have the highest bid on a power, but you're lynched the same Day that the auction ends, do you still win the auction?

Boogs, this is what I'm referring to regarding the secret vote.

boo wrote:Night 1 Event: I have a list of 24 powers currently (there are some more that are locked up because I'm RNGing everything and don't want them to be able to get listed yet). You may PM a power description you think is one of the 24 that is not 1 of the three already confirmed (or protect/roleblock), and if you're right, you will get 1 extra vote you may send in during any lynch. If you submit one that is not on the list but I like enough to put onto the list, you get 2 any time votes.

If you sent Boo a power and he accepted it, you got up to 2 secret votes.

So if you put a secret vote on BWT your $10 bid makes a lot more sense. Do you see what I mean?

Hey Boogs, since you didn't vote for BWT, meaning you didn't get the $200 bonus applied to your bid... Why did you bid $10? Why didn't you bid $210? Your bid was meaningless unless you thought you could win.

S~V~S wrote:What does "friends in high places" mean?

my question exactly. There's no reason for Hedgie to be coy if she has a civ reason for surviving.

How did you survive, Hedgeowl?

Thanks

I'm going to vote for whoever has the most votes at the end of the lynch. But Boogs is one of my top suspects.

I think Boogs used a secret vote (gained from the aforementioned power creation contest) to vote for BWT and got $200 added to his bid to win Electric Conpany. I think Boogs is Water Works.

I'm not changing the subject, I'm confronting your accusations head on. While continuing my own, more fruitful search for baddies.

Your above post doesn't respond to ANY of the points I made in rebuttal to your case. You just want to get the last word so to speak.

Llama your only reason for thinking that I'm BWT's partner is because I voted for him last. You are ignoring all other evidence.

TO BOOGS, on the subject of the missing Electric Company:

Boogs wrote:Wow Epignosis is trying to turn the tables and paint me as bad. Sorry to dissapoint you all. The reasons you listed were lame. I was not buddying with BWT or vice versa.he was trying to follow my lead and get Lc lynched, then when it didnt work out he went defensive. I didnt move my vote because I was and still am confident LC has something shady going on and is a RR. Also, I did not win Electric Company unless Boo didn't send me a pm or somethibg. You guys seem to forget Electric Company voters got extra 200 where i did not. So look again TH, it wasnt me.

Going to be out of town for BFs birthday weekend, but will check in as much as i can when free

Interesting Boogs. I assumed Boo was talking about you because he said someone had already bid $10 and when I looked back it was you.

If you didn't win it, and I didn't win it, someone must have placed a secret bid.
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TO LONG CON, on the subject of if I was involved with Hedgeowl's survival.

Long Con wrote:HOWEVER... why has no one mentioned Hedgeowl's survival? Turnip Head, did you use your protect on her? 'Cause otherwise... she's a baddie. Right? I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned yet.

I did not use my protect on Hedgeowl. She will have to explain why she survived.

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TO LLAMA on the subject of his case against me

thellama73 wrote:BWT flips bad, I suggest looking at the people who voted for him late in the day.

thellama73 wrote:Now, who is BWT's partner? I would guess someone who voted for him after his lynch became inevitable, after Spacedaisy at least. Maybe Turnip Head of Splintsy-Splints.

Turnip Head singles out Daisy, even though the timing of her vote makes no sense for a teammate. ALso helps that she is not around to defend herself.

You're going to have to point out how what you're doing is different from what I'm doing, and why me doing it makes me bad. You arbitrarily "guess" that BWT's partner voted for him after his lynch was inevitable. Okay, sure, it's a valid theory. My theory is just as valid. If a teammate is going down, you want your vote to look as clean as possible. I brought up Daisy because her vote is suspicious as fuck, not because it "helps that she's not around to defend herself". You're reading what you want into my intentions.

llama wrote:He pushes this idea for a few posts, when nobody bites, he changes the subject.

Turnip Head wrote:We would need to cross reference all of BWT's suspicions with the players that we know landed on a Utility square (and got rolechecked)

You're not showing the part where that post was in response to a question someone asked. It's called detective work, dude. Also, I do not have a one track mind. I did not "change the subject because nobody bites". If someone wants to talk about Daisy's vote, or if Daisy wants to come in here and respond to me about it, I would love that. I believe Daisy's vote was suspicious, but that doesn't preclude me from having other thoughts. Because I don't know anything, and I'm just trying to figure it out.

llama wrote:Then Epig makes an admittedly elegant case on Boogs. TH immediately agrees.

Turnip Head wrote:I can dig it Epi. Boogs can have his turn in the hot seat. The interaction between him and BWT is weird.

Yep, just like I instantly agreed with his case on BWT. And when his case on BWT continued to be ignored for a long stretch of posts, I brought it back to the forefront because I believed in the case. You are latching onto me because I voted late. I have voted late in every lynch, because I want to vote the winner in case I want the property. But voting late doesn't take away from the fact that I was on the front lines of wanting to lynch BWT since the moment Epi presented his case. So I honestly don't understand why you're suspicious of me.

llama wrote:I call him out on changing the subject, as a late BWT voter. He responds.

Turnip Head wrote:I've been a late voter every lynch, and expect the trend to continue.

I was the first person to agree with Epi's original case on BWT, so there's that.

$10 Electric Company

This rather misses the point. It is not the fact that he voted late, but that he voted late for BWT specifically, that is consistent with what a teammate would do.

You're the one who's missing the point here Llama, not me. In drudging up all of these quotes from me, you completely overlooked the quotes that show I was the first one who hopped on the BWT wagon. I voted late, but I discussed early. And at one point or another, I defended literally every major opponent BWT had in the Day 3 lynch. You aren't taking any of that that into account at all.

Just because "voting late is consistent with what a teammate would do" does not mean that everyone who voted on the tail end of BWT's lynch was his teammate. That can't possibly be true. You're making a big logical fallacy here Llama and that doesn't seem like your usual style.

llama wrote:He bid on Electric Company, although he screwed it up, and his vote gave him a $200 boost. Water Works has the most incentive to bid on Electric Company.

Turnip Head wrote:Well I meant to outbid Boogs on Electric Company but my dumbass didn't increase the bid to $11. So boogs has Electric Company.

Overall, his tone sounds to me like someone who is desperately trying to change the subject to anybody but him. I refuse to let the subject be changed.

Turnip Head wrote:Well I meant to outbid Boogs on Electric Company but my dumbass didn't increase the bid to $11. So boogs has Electric Company.

No Llama, my tone is someone who is trying to find the baddies. You can talk about me if you want. I never tried to change your subject. I'm just trying to catch baddies, same as you. And does anyone ever really WANT to talk about themselves? I'm civvie, of course I don't want to be talking about lynching me.

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TO METALMARSH on his continued attempts to sling my name through the mud for no real reason

Metalmarsh89 wrote:This is what I'm talking about.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:*snip post that I literally already responded to*

Is TH always this blendy?

No, Metalmarsh, I'm almost never blendy, though you always seem to accuse me of being it. I have not been blendy this game, I was not blendy in Doctor Who when you called me blendy, no just no. I've been offering plenty of my own thoughts this game.

LoRab wrote:

bea wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Guys come on. Long Con isn't a baddie. I think if anyone can read him, I can. I know I voted for him yesterday, but his gameplay since then has not been baddie like in the slightest.

I'm super impressed by your confidence in being able to read LC. You know he was the inventor and cause of right?

Just for the sake of accurate history, LC did design , but I actually requested the creation of the smiley. Because, really, if an idea ever needed a smiley, it was FEB. He's actually modeled after Diamond Dog. I can't remember who was the first to be described as a FEB, or who was the first to use the term.

I was about to say, Diamond Dog was truly the original FEB. I'm thinking the term came from the Angel game on TP but that could be wrong. Or it might have been Sco's Mafia 2099 game. DD was basically a FEB in every single game he played. :P

(Someone please find him and force him to join us here!)

Because I asked Boo if I won and he told me somebody else already bid $10. For some reason I thought the bidding was at $6.

>.<

Well I meant to outbid Boogs on Electric Company but my dumbass didn't increase the bid to $11. So boogs has Electric Company.

I've been a late voter every lynch, and expect the trend to continue.

I was the first person to agree with Epi's original case on BWT, so there's that.

$10 Electric Company

I can dig it Epi. Boogs can have his turn in the hot seat. The interaction between him and BWT is weird.

The next question would be, did someone defend BWT (or refuse to mention him) AND go after one of the above players? That might be a way to find Electric Co. AND a railroad

Looking back at BWT's posts, it seems he killed Black Rock in an attempt to set me up

Other than that he didn't mention suspicion of many players outside of Boogs and Llama, neither of which have been checked by the uties.

Somehow missed you Zeek. I think I got the rest of them.

Players the Utilities knew the roles of before BWT died:

Elohcin (now BR2.0)
Lorab
TH
Daisy
FZ
Keys
Hedgeowl

We would need to cross reference all of BWT's suspicions with the players that we know landed on a Utility square (and got rolechecked)

Because I reread you and saw something that made me think you are unlikely to be a railroad.