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I thought we were and then you flipped on me, you're not even pressuring JackDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:34 pm somehow town needs to try to come together, form an understanding and cooperate. I generally don't think "Do your thing and I'll do mine" is a winning town mindset. We know scum will work together.
meanwhile a lazy G-Man snowball rolls down the mountain getting fatter and fatterIt's a summary of specific events that led to my read, feel free to connect your own dotsDom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:20 pmWhy does that make him bad?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:54 am [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:29 pm I know some people think it's dumb to do connection analysis, but it's pretty much the only thing I got now. I don't get anywhere if I just think about one player at the time, cause I can usually argue both sides then. I don't feel I have enough grasp on most people's meta.
So I'm just putting this out there in case it becomes useful for later.
- Turnip has only critical things to say about Radish. Yet he ends up on the Nut wagon on D1 with the insistence of "We should stay the course" on her. He's also said D2 that he could still vote Radish. But he isn't. Right now he wants to build a Jack-Wagon.
- Turnip has absolutely no interaction with SVS at all, apart from saying "Hi, it's an honor to be playing with you again." He also removed SVS from my maybe-town-list, but I have no idea why, since he has not mentioned SVS at all.
- I already spoke about the possible Radish/sabie-connection. Not sure on this.
- Not sure on SVS as well tbh.
For future reference if Radish or someone flips scum.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:39 amDo I get a prize?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:16 amThat's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angleNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset
Would be my guess anyways
you said essentially the same thing one post before mine (I got caught in linki), so I think you do get it...Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:17 amidgiTurnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:16 amThat's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angleNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset
Would be my guess anyways
Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 amI really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset
Would be my guess anyways
His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.
That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angleNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset
Would be my guess anyways
We're rescuing Mac from getting wreckt
Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A
His reads don't feel genuine, specifically when he called out michelle. I think he's leaning a little too hard on the "I often get mislynched" cardjuliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:57 pmTH, what are you seeing when you look at Colin? (I couldn't find this in your ISO but tell me if its there and I just didn't go back far enough.)Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af
You've just described a mafiosoJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:50 pm I like sprityo for reasons I struggle to articulate. He is striking a balance between here are a few reads, take them or leave them and let me explain to you in great vivid detail who I think is mafia and why. He's giving reads and explaining them in some capacity, enough that one can mostly follow his thinking, but without it looking like he is working for appearances.
I mentioned bad vibes from sloonei and sprityo before they defended Colin, so this adds to my read of them. Idk if they'd be so bold as to defend a teammate but I'm willing to put pressure theresabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:17 pmWhich people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:04 pm*fart noises*Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af
yesMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pm Because what I see is someone trying to affect the ‘quiet but paying attention’ card
noMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pmand refusing to give much away to avoid getting involved in discussions.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:04 pmWhy Jimmy?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:56 pmJack townDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:53 pm Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?
Scum:
Almost everyone else?
Mac town
Jimmy town
Dom town
Why Mac?
I was thinking Dom was alright actually. At least, he seems like he's done in the past to me.
Jack could be town. But he should solve the game. Like now.
Why not SVS?
Why not Michell?
Jack townDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:53 pm Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?
Scum:
Almost everyone else?
sabie reads genuine to me like she has nothing to hideDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:27 pm I spent time ISOing Sabie, and I would like some opinion on that. I like Sabie's later posts tbh, but in the ISO I found a lot of excuses and putting things off, as in "I haven't read that yet" "I'll catch up later" "I need to check that". I find that scum is more likely to put off catching up or saying to check things and then don't. I also notice how little she mentions Radish and how waffly it is when she does. She also voted Nut with a pretty shaky rationale iirc. So I could see a Radish/Sabie connection. This is also strengthened by how Radish mentioned Sabie as one of the iffier voted on Nut, and how Sabie has not commented on that at all, but completely ignored it.
I honestly had the opinion that an actively involved Sabie with opinions would mean town and that a less involved and waffly Sabie would mean scum. And that she was not that hard to read. But I've gotten the impression that she may be hard to read? Some people have mentioned this at least. So I want opinions from people that know her. Anyway, I'll find quotes that stick out to me.
I encourage everyone to take a look, my iso from that game is quite a pleasurejuliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:52 am Ok, I know I said I was going to look at Mac and I am but I got sidetracked to Turnip Head for a few minutes. I looked up the Firefly game to see if I was remembering his scum behavior correctly and what I find is it is radically different from the way he's behaving here. He's lighthearted in that game especially in the beginning but really peppered all the way through and his posts appear more frequently. I did not look at our team chat (I'm not even sure there's a link to it) but I saw enough in the game thread. I'm posting the link here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... only&ch=-1
Take a look at it, read through some of his posts, it doesn't take long to read a few pages. Look at page 5 where he welcomes me on board his ship (I believe I subbed in that game) - it's an example of why I said earlier I found him charming.
I don't think I can support a full town read here based on this one game but if he is scum here his behavior has changed a lot.
Okay I asked my boy Jimmy to take a look at my top suspect. That doesn't make it a trend y'know.
I'm not pickyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:49 pmk
If you mean like make a whole-ass ISO post, I may be pressed for time. I'll look at it though and say stuff.
VibesSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:14 pmWhy these bottom two names?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:12 pm My blacklist in order of lynching priority:
Michelle
Colin
Master Radishes
Sprityo
Sloonei
Sometimes I don't get into specifics because I want to see if other people see what I see.Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:42 pm sprityo: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p587352 and http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 53#p587353 - looks like a genuine happy reaction to Nanook's successful role usage of not hitting a town. Leaning good on sprityo.
Master Radishes: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p587452 - very helpful interpretation. His posts seem a bit like what i like to do: ignore all Day 1 nonsense, and look at the votes. I'm not voting for this guy.
Turnip Head: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 61#p587461 - I don't like his posts on MR. TH posts things like "Scum tbqh" and "More like Master Badishes amirite", but he doesn't go into specifics. In the post i linked to, he ignores everything mentioned in the analysis MR made just a couple of posts above his (in which MR tries to find scum in the nutella voters, of which TH is one), and instead throws the attention back at him. This feels like TH is only adding fuel to the MR suspicion without really committing to it. Leaning bad on TH.
It was meant as a compliment, reallyG-Man wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:49 pmOuch. While not an incorrect assessment of my civvie sleuthing skills when I don’t have info gathering powers, as a Miami Dolphins fan, that comparison cuts deep.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pmHes one of those civs who won't lose you the game but he may not win it for you either. He's the Ryan tannehil of civilians
Anyway, let’s talk about the roles, shall we? I see two roles that can ‘send orders’ to a civ. One is a civ role but the other is a baddie. On the one hand, there is potential for civs to become known to another civ. On the other hand, complying risks letting a baddie hijack your power.
Has anyone played with this kind of role mirrored in this way before? My gut says complying should probably be done based on how powerful a player thinks their role is. Thoughts?
