The Syndicate

And I switched my vote to Dom to keep it a tie.

Well that shoots that theory down. Anyone else have an idea? Horcrux I guess. Doctor secrets, Snape potions? Both seem unlikely. Couldn't be the Dead Collector, either.

Possible that Rogue stole the power. Can't think of any other explanations atm. It's unlike all 3 players to not post if they are able.

Has juliets posted this phase?

DharmaHelper wrote:I do know Dom though, or at least I'd like to think.. His most recent posts remind me of his play in Avante Guarde. He was a baddie.

Can you elaborate?

Voting Bass to make it a tie.

S~V~S wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:It makes sense. Teammates are more likely than anyone to end up targeting the same person with their different powers, IMO.

I bet MP got double targeted by a baddie team last night.

I don't ever recall being on a team that did this, although it is possible I have forgotten. You get more bang for your baddie buck, and learn more, by spreading it out.

I don't ever recall being BTS with you; is this something you do regularly yourself?

Everyone, when you are on a team do you recall more than one power being used often on the same person in the same night? I mean it's possible but you say it like it is common, like it happens all the time. And in a game where it is known that two people targeting the same person can cause a duel. I disagree, I find it unlikely.

First, full disclosure I was definitely stoned when I came up with that theory I didn't really factor in that a team should be on the lookout for something like this happening. A smart and careful baddie team would not do this in this game. But yes I've been on a baddie team where we used more than one power on the same player, if it made strategic sense to do so. I've been on a team that would roleblock our NK target so that they couldn't protect themselves or what have you. Looking at the baddie roles though, there's not much incentive for either team to use two powers on the same player unless we're talking about the horcruxes maybe.

That said I still feel like something seems off about Dom defending Bass. But I have no idea how I'd play if I were in the same situation as Dom in any game, civvie or baddie. But I don't think I'd defend my competition. I think I would look for as much evidence as possible that my opponent was bad. But if I genuinely didn't find the player suspicious, how would I act? I'm not sure.

Does Bass know that people associate his quietness with civvieness?

It makes sense. Teammates are more likely than anyone to end up targeting the same person with their different powers, IMO.

I bet MP got double targeted by a baddie team last night.

What if Bass and Dom are on the same baddie team?

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I also object to the notion that Bass is more involved when he's bad. I think RL does factor into his participation a lot, but also I think he's a player who takes it slow at the beginning of games and then picks it up toward the end. In WWE, Bass was almost nonexistent at the start of the game, until after I was NK'd on like Night 7 or whatever, and then I noticed in my deadness that he came out of the woodwork after that. He was a baddie in Doctor Who and I don't remember him being particularly active in that game either. He was a baddie in X-Men and had to be replaced I believe.

However, it is true that after he got recruited in both LOST (on RM) and in Monopoly, that he became more involved after that. But like I said, I feel like he ALWAYS starts games quiet.

That might be true-- but I have always felt that a quieter bass means a bass who isn't being energized with btsc.

Okay, but I named at least three separate games where that was not the case.

That's a good point Daisy. I had forgotten that Roxy had mentioned being wary of Bass. Has she checked in yet? We know Bass isn't hogging the laptop

I also object to the notion that Bass is more involved when he's bad. I think RL does factor into his participation a lot, but also I think he's a player who takes it slow at the beginning of games and then picks it up toward the end. In WWE, Bass was almost nonexistent at the start of the game, until after I was NK'd on like Night 7 or whatever, and then I noticed in my deadness that he came out of the woodwork after that. He was a baddie in Doctor Who and I don't remember him being particularly active in that game either. He was a baddie in X-Men and had to be replaced I believe.

However, it is true that after he got recruited in both LOST (on RM) and in Monopoly, that he became more involved after that. But like I said, I feel like he ALWAYS starts games quiet.

I guess I really need to reread Dom and try to form an opinion on him. I've always felt Dom has two distinct playstyles, one hyper aggressive and one a bit more toned down, controlled, focused. But I've found that neither of those two playstyles correlates directly to his civ game or baddie game. At least that's my take on it, I feel like he always sort of subtly changes his persona for each game. He's a very hard read for me without anything else to go on.

This is probably one lynch where we should have all started voting early just to see what would happen next. I feel like I have nothing to go on right now, and one of the two candidates isn't even here. I have no idea what to do.

Seems like MP might be silenced. He posted some OT in another thread.

To add to LC's list, I'm almost positive Voldemort must have targets for some of his horcruxes but probably not all of them. I also don't think we should rule out Wizzrobe, we don't know how Epi would handle a situation where Wizz targeted Tyler and then another role targets him later on. I'm also curious as to what would happen if Hatter or Boddy targeted Tyler but the player they wish to force votes onto isn't on the poll.

This lynch absolutely blows.

Host: What happens if Rogue targets Tyler and is the only player to target him? Would she gain Tyler's latent abilities the next night (such as forcing her targeters to fight on the lynch poll)?

Dom, what is your opinion of Bass?

Bass, what is your opinion of Dom?

I haven't really looked into the case on Boomslang much to be honest. I remember you made some points about him but don't remember really what they were. I'll address it when I get a chance to look through it.

Rest in peace FZ. I was feeling pretty good about you

I'm looking at DH today. I think there's something there with the DF connection. DF seemed extremely hesitant to take a stance on DH and went out of his way to vote to help save DH Day 1. Furthermore, DH didn't contribute at all to the discussion on DF. There's also something I want to point out about some of DH's posting on Day 2 but it will have to wait until I get home so I can search for it.

I know I've defended DH some in this game but I'm concerned that that was misguided of me. I felt like he was getting heat for simply being an active participant, but now that we've got more to go on, he feels a bit slippery to me.

MP, I'm not sure about DH. I agree there could be a connection with DF there, given how DF voted on Day 1. I plan to look into this more.

MovingPictures07 wrote:So, interestingly, that's the role that has a received vote of negative # of members on his team... so if he hadn't won by a landslide, he likely wouldn't have been lynched. Does this mean that his teammates were waiting to see what would happen and then bandwagoned onto him or voted someone else?

It also might explain why so many votes were missing. Since it was headed for a landslide, his teammates might have chosen to simply not vote at all.

Linki: we need to agree on someone for the helmet or else the baddies will end up with it. I'm good with everyone who has expressed interest in it so far, but I think we need to choose so the votes don't get divided. I might veto MP though since we should probably split up the prizes.

Elohcin wrote:caught up! good job guys!

Turnip Head wrote: !!!

timmer wrote:Mongoose has four vowels, actually.

Take a look at who said it. I think Goosey got blackmailed.

What do you mean by this TH?

In the lynch post, Mr Boddy said something about Mongoose. Seems like blackmail to me.

Is that what we're doing? Voting by PM for someone to receive the helmet? I wasn't sure if the "vote by PM" thing was referencing tomorrow's lynch.

I would like the helmet, but if someone else who I trust wants it I'll vote that way.

!!!

timmer wrote:Mongoose has four vowels, actually.

Take a look at who said it. I think Goosey got blackmailed.

17 out of 27 voted. Lame

Went ahead and voted DF. I hope we're onto something here but I wish we could have heard more from him.

I didn't play Cars but he feels like normal Snowy to me. Always a bit under the radar but he always offers his own opinions.

Wherefore art thou, Faraday

I was hoping we'd get to hear from him :-/

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry everyone I have been really busy in RL getting ready to go back to school and haven't had time to catch up as much as I would like.

Interesting... did Roxy tell you to check in, or could you hear us talking about you, or what

I'm not sure why I'm getting all the credit for the DF case, Roxy said basically the same things as I did a few pages earlier. It was her and MP that made me look at DF in the first place. Maybe my case was just better organized

FZ. wrote:I find myself agreeing with almost everything that's been said in the last page or so and the following people: TH, Timmer, MP and Bea and zeek. I doubt we're all perceptive civvies who've found the baddies in LC, DF and DH. I wish that's the case, but experience has taught me, that when there's this consensus about who the top suspects are, it turns out bad...meaning one of those I agree with the most is just playing us. I wonder which of those I mentioned is going to be that baddie. For the time being, I find myself trusting those the most.

This is exactly how I'm feeling at the moment as well, with the exception of Zeek who I've picked up no vibes from. These are all reasonable people, especially when they're civvies, so maybe the fact that we're all in agreement is a good thing. But I'm sure there's at least one baddie out there who's already fooled me.

The other thing I want to say... I don't agree with the DH suspicion, and Timmer doesn't have an opinion on DF yet it seems. I think LC is the only suspect that all of the above people you mentioned have agreed upon.

Who would silence Sabie? Puzzling.

But timmer, someone will be silenced every day... Will you say that every person who gets silenced is likely to be bad?

Linki: lol I'm right here ya goof

In fact I'm probably voting for DF today unless something else comes up or he says something that sways my opinion.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I agree with a lot of this.

How do you feel about DH and LC?

I have found DH to be genuine so far this game, though that could obviously mean nothing. I don't suspect him though I don't always agree with his approach.

I've stated my thoughts on LC before, and he hasn't really contributed enough the past two days for me to say anything more about him. He's one of the few players I have my eye on so far.

MovingPictures07 wrote:TH, I'm curious to hear whom else you'd be looking at today.

Very few. DF. I'd consider a vote for LC if he had been part of the discussion today. I feel good about more players than I feel bad about. The baddies are playing either very quiet or very slick. Or both.

timmer wrote:That said, I'm still getting pinged by LC.

He's smart, he know how to ask the proper questions.

So when he says this:

Long Con wrote:

I should note that I only asked in relation to Mr Boddy, so it wouldn't cover any secret weird stuff from another role. I think the answer would be the same.

I get pinged. A civ LC would be worried that a civ Made was getting framed. He would, imo, not only ask in relation to Mr. Boddy but also in terms of any other roles. "I think the answer would be the same"?? No. He would ask and come back with the answer. A baddie LC would post the above, though. He basically started the "ask the host, you'll see he's lying" trend, and didn't try to expand his question to provide Made with the possible out.

I share some of your concerns about LC. He has been very quick to act, all game. Hit rey up with an early vote for early voting on Day 1, then quickly voted DH on Day 2 but then switched it to Made once that thread started unraveling. I'm thinking he may be silenced though.

Where has Long Con gone? Perhaps silenced?

FZ. wrote:By the way, TH, did you not see that I said all the things you said? Did you see and choose not to say you agree with me? And is it good that you agree with me? Because everyone tells me my logic is flawed.


I'm going out. I'll be back later

Yes, I saw that, and I meant to point out that I thought you, Roxy, and MP were all making very astute points today. I think it's good that we agree

MovingPictures07 wrote:And why is no one ever discussing DFaraday except me and FZ.? What do players think of him?

It's hard to discuss a player who only has 11 posts so far and usually isn't a heavy contributor, but I looked over DF's posts and found a few noteworthy points:

Day 1:

DFaraday wrote:I tend not to suspect people who early game shenanigans, but if they keep it up later on it can seem like a deflection tactic.

DF says he's gonna cut the crazies some slack on Day 1. You'll recall that the big hoopla on Day 1 was about MM's early early vote. So here's DF's very next post:

DFaraday wrote:I have found MM rather shifty, particularly his questions of Llama that seemed to be setting Llama up.

I also am wary of DH, but I've never been able to read him.

Now he's on MM's case, but for a different reason than "early game shenanigans". He thought MM was trying to do some baddie voodoo on Llama. He admits to being wary of DH, the other major candidate for the Day 1 lynch. So here's MM's direct response to that post, with DF's follow-up reply attached:

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I have found MM rather shifty, particularly his questions of Llama that seemed to be setting Llama up.

I also am wary of DH, but I've never been able to read him.

I was looking for a reaction from SVS. The question was not shifty, nor was I trying to set llama up.

That may be, but as I don't have time to analyze this DH/LC stuff, I'll still vote you because it cricked my brow.

So DF admits that he could have read MM's post wrong, but still votes for him because he didn't have time to analyze the "DH/LC stuff". He didn't have time to analyze the MM stuff either, it seems, but that didn't stop DF from voting for him in an extremely close lynch that ended up being a tie. What's odd to me here is that DF would stick to his MM vote based on faulty reasoning rather than look into the LC or DH suspicion or move his vote elsewhere. It felt like by that time DF just really wanted to vote for MM no matter what.

Day 2:

DFaraday wrote:Dom did sum it up pretty well, and I agree that Made's behavior is pretty sketchy, but I'd like to hear Made try to explain himself as well.

DFaraday wrote:Anyway, I don't know what to think of Made. I do think it's odd that he would pretend to be forced, but on the other hand, I don't see why a baddie would draw attention to themselves out of the blue like that.

DFaraday wrote:I don't see the case on Llama, but the way I see it, Made lying is suspect, although baffling no matter what alignment he is. I will vote Made because he is the only one really pinging me.

DF's three Day 2 posts, all about Made with a defense of Llama. The Llama defense checks out, there wasn't really a case on Llama yesterday if we're being frank. But DF marched willingly into the "Made is lying" camp on Day 2.

Day 3:

DFaraday wrote:Since Zeek is indicating that Made isn't lying, I guess I feel a little better about Made, although I do wonder whether the lynch yesterday was civ/civ or civ/baddie. I do think it would be more sensible to look first at the people who voted for a confirmed civ than those who voted someone whose alignment is unknown.

Okay, so here's where I start to get worried. Is DF a baddie trying to protect his own interests, or is this his genuine thought process? As others have pointed out, DF wants to go after players who voted for Llama, a confirmed civ, rather than go after players who have voted for Made, an unknown. Yet DF was one of the deciding votes against a confirmed civvie on Day 1. By the same token of logic, why doesn't DF think we should investigate the MM voters for a possible DH save? Why start the search with the Llama voters when we don't know Made's alignment? What if Day 2 was civ/civ and Day 1 was civ/bad?

In any case, I am far from ready to start analyzing voting patterns at this stage of the game since we haven't caught a single baddie. I don't think vote based analysis is the way to go just yet. But I think there's some contradictions in DF's posts so far that merit keeping an eye on. Whether those are genuine civvie contradictions or baddie-minded ones is the question I'll be trying to find the answer to.

DharmaHelper wrote:The llama suspicion being weak, and the subtle defending from Bass and TH (and possibly others, I can't recall specifics and its too late atm to go fishing)

I do recall Bass making a post along the line of "I see the case on Made, but can we really afford to pull the trigger?" and TH's support of Made is well documented.

You call that subtle defending? lol I was pretty outspoken about it. I absolutely believed we should not lynch Made based on yesterday's "evidence". I think it was ignorant to vote for Made without considering all points of view. I stated a few times that Made could still be a baddie, but not for the reasons that people were voting for him. That said, I've felt good about Made in all his recent posts so I'll continue to subtly defend him because I think he's a civvie.

DharmaHelper wrote:Logically, in a game like this and in actual detective work, etc, it makes the most sense to start with the larger picture and work your way down into smaller chunks that are easier to analyze.

For me, the most logical "chunk" to analyze is llama voters.

That might be the most logical chunk for you, DH, but I don't see the logic in it at all. I actually think that most of the Llama voters were civvies who felt Made was being wrongly accused by Llama and others. Possibly a baddie or two in there since the votes were so focused on two individuals. But I don't think there's any reason to analyze the Llama voters over the Made voters, UNLESS Made is a baddie. And we'd have to lynch Made to find that out, and I don't think he's a baddie, so... unless you get Made lynched, and he then flips baddie, unless that happens then I don't see how we can possibly walk down this line of logic.

In fact, I feel much more compelled to look at the Made voters than the Llama voters. Some people probably truly believed Made was lying, but I think others were aware that they could hop on that bandwagon without looking too suspicious. Made clearly made waves on Day 2 and I can see the baddies in their chatrooms salivating at the opportunity for an easy lynch.

Hey guys, sorry for not posting recently. The past couple days have been hella busy for me but I've got some time today so I'm gonna do a quick catch up and collect my thoughts.

Is there a card czar challenge tonight?

I'm not sure I'm okay with Dom having the wand after what happened last time he got it...

Rest in peace Llama