The Syndicate

Just a hunch man. I was thinking you were Mikami this whole time but now I'm thinking you're Light.

I agree that Higuchi should be the bigger priority today. Might as well help the Yotsubas with their win conditions and then maybe they'll help the detectives. It seems like less of a sure thing than Mata though. Can you go into detail about your Higuchi suspects? I'd also be down with a Bass vote at this point, it seems clear to me that he's working with Kira after his vote for Llama yesterday.

I mean I guess we should vote Mata? I think it's over though. We just lost a shitload of detectives.

Welp, I'd say we're boned.

Jesus Christ this game. Rest in peace sweet Jules

You too Epi.

... Uh oh.

Sounds like someone regrets not playing ball with me earlier

I think you should consider a vote for Bass, Llama, but I know you're not interested in my opinion.

Ricochet wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:If Mata is Misa I'll leave you alone Rico. If she's Rem I'm gunning hard for you.
What yet again. If L had genuine BTSC with her and made a read afterwards, she cannot be a Shinigami!

And if that's true I'll lay off you, like I said.

If Mata is Misa I'll leave you alone Rico. If she's Rem I'm gunning hard for you.

I only said it was a possibility. Misa's role makes nothing clear about the fate of her Death Note; we are forced to speculate.

Guys here is my case and follow up case on Mata and Rico being connected, specifically that they are Misa and Rem. And this post includes a link to my thoughts on a possible connection to Metalmarsh as well. Rico refuted my cases in this post if you're interested; the only reason I haven't followed up on that yet was we learned soon afterwards that Mata likely passed the Death Note to escape the lynch, which would indicate she is Misa so Rico is an unlynchable Rem, making further pursuit irrelevant.

I am not fully convinced that Mata is indeed Misa, she could be Rem and gave up Misa's Death Note to Light in order trick us into wasting another lynch on her and letting her partner have some chances to distance and avoid suspicion. There's no concrete way to know if this is the case until we lynch Mata again, but nevertheless I'm keeping my eye on Rico based on the connection I've picked up on.

FZ. wrote:I think Bass' last post looks like a baddie who feels like we're going to be disappointed in him, so he's saying he didn't mean what we thought he meant. So I think we should probably vote for him this day.

To be honest I got the same exact vibe from Bass' post. Juliets what did you think of it?

I'd like to know why you're joking around with Mata instead of building the cases that you said you would work on today, Rico. It's 5 hours til deadline. Crunch time. What are you waiting for?

Ricochet wrote:
Matahari wrote:So, who needs a vote today?
How about two?

Who do you think is Light FZ? Who do you think is Mikami?

Turnip Head wrote:Does anyone have any Mikami suspects they'd like to discuss?

Good talk.

How do you plan on killing a player today? Is Rem looking to end her miserable existence already?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:hope nothing happens to Mello before the day is over.

I saw you searching players' posts last night and assumed you were looking for him. Any luck?

It would bring me endless joy if he lynched himself.

Can you try to convince Mikami to kill himself again?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:It probably doesn't matter at this point anyway. How many secret votes were made available?

I have no interest in telling you that brah

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yet you voted llama.
What are you gonna do about it?
I'm gonna admit that I made a big mistake in following your vote.

Maybe you shouldn't have voted so early!

Does anyone have any Mikami suspects they'd like to discuss?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote: I know the answer. FZ. is Light Yagami.
The only way you could know this with certainty is if you are L or Higuchi. And you are not L.
Yet you voted llama.

What are you gonna do about it?

Epignosis wrote: I know the answer. FZ. is Light Yagami.

The only way you could know this with certainty is if you are L or Higuchi. And you are not L.

Epignosis wrote:I would like to attempt to dissuade llama from voting for me.

I am taken aback that he has named me as Higuchi.

I hope we can talk before the vote.

"The best defense is a good offense." - thellama73

Metalmarsh89 wrote:So who do you think llama is and why did you vote for him?

You don't think he is Higuchi, Mikami, Misa, or Light. Why did you vote for him?

Those are the four roles the detectives need dead to win, but you don't seem to think llama is any of them. Why did you vote for him?

I voted for Llama because he gave me no other choice

His behavior has made me question his detectiveness at times, he's acting like he's the only one trying to find baddies, and that is demonstrably untrue. I have no idea what role he has.

Why did YOU vote for Llama? And why is it so important to you why I did?

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die.
Let's play a game.

Assume for a moment that Higuchi got his Death Note recently. Say, yesterday afternoon. Who passed it to him?

This is easy. Light did. It would have to be FZ, or someone trying to set FZ up (much less likely, let's be honest, but still possible).

Where are you going with this...

In any case I'd like to know who Rico thinks we should look at today and why.

Okay.

I'm not sure I follow you FZ.

Ricochet wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Ricochet wrote:You had a problem with me saying basically the same thing.
For a very specific reason.
Whatever specific reason, it simply guided you to misinterpret me saying basically the same thing you said, which by your standards is fine to say it.

Because you suspect FZ of being Light and I do not. That's why it's different when I say it. But when I tried to follow up on this you didn't give me your current opinion of FZ's role, so I couldn't continue interrogating you with this line of thinking.

FZ. wrote:TH, knowing what we know, could BR still be bad. Is it possible in terms of mechanics?

I assume so... I can't think of any reason why she couldn't be bad.

Ricochet wrote:You had a problem with me saying basically the same thing.

For a very specific reason.

I think we still need to lynch Light before Higuchi becomes vulnerable, but that won't be confirmed until the end of this lynch at the earliest and the end of tomorrow's lynch at the latest, because that's when Namikawa's call will take place if Mata or FZ passed the Death Note to Higuchi. If we don't get the call soon, Higuchi still can't be lynched, meaning Light is still killing. MM made it seem like his team was responsible for the Boomslang kill and that they plan to kill L soon, so I believe they still have the Death Note.

Since I'm willing to wait on Namikawa's call for confirmation about the Death Note, the role I'm most interested in lynching today is Mikami, and Bass is still my top suspect for that role. I want to find other suspects for this role too because I'm not fully convinced about Bass yet.

But as I said, I believe Light is still killing, so I'm in the process of gathering suspects for this role still.

Rico is the person I'm most convinced is a baddie at the moment, but I don't think he's someone that we need to lynch today.

And omg FZ don't give then any ideas on how to frame you

We don't need all the Sympathizers dead to win, just the four Kiras. Light, Misa, Higuchi, and Mikami.

FZ. wrote:MM, seriously, what are you trying to do other than keep your win conditions?

He's playing the outed baddie role and he's having fun with it. He's trying to strike fear into our hearts with threats against our leader. His goal is to mislead us so his team can reach victory. He is nothing more than a distraction.

Who are you looking at for this lynch, FZ?

Mmhmm.

So you're saying you don't have an opinion one way or another about FZ right now?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey TH, why did you vote FZ yesterday if you didn't think we should lynch her?

Because we weren't going to stop talking about her and move onto other things until she was lynched and she had given her approval to be lynched.

You didn't answer my question. What is your current opinion of FZ's role?

Duly noted FZ.

Ricochet wrote:I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be.

Rico, does this mean that you're still operating under the belief that FZ is Light until we're told otherwise from either L or from Namikawa's phone call?

Oh okay, you're just believing the threats of a known baddie.

Ricochet wrote:Anyway, I also think one of them, at least, took the Eye Deal. If MM is Ryuk, he also hinted in his shout-out to Mikami yesterday that "he" (read: they) knows who he is, so they probably found him in one of their kill checks, and today, that L is next.

Why do you think L is next?

Ricochet wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die. [snip]
I thought you thought FZ. was detective.

I do and nothing I said contradicts that belief. I'm obviously saying this for the sake of completeness in my speculation. This is all speculation about what would happen if she was Light, more for everyone else's sake than my own.

Ricochet wrote:What do you think of my idea that Mata could potentially be Higuchi?

I don't think she's Higuchi because I think she's aligned with Metalmarsh, who I think is Ryuk. This represented a large portion of my original case on Mata and still holds true.

Ricochet wrote:linki: huh? Where does it say Light can accept the Eye Deal?

For someone who is quick to use what is or isn't in the roles to help prove a point, implying that you've gone over all the revealed roles in great detail, you are very good at selectively ignoring some obvious portions of the roles, Rico.

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