The Syndicate

Wassup y'all! I have very fond memories of this game. St00pid recruiter team!

That's how we got Sabie and Bass too. The Cybers couldn't resist talking about their info lol.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I was thinking of Nking Hedge at the end. But my only chance of a win was a hope of being recruited. If Hedge died, after Dom i was undoubtably the next lynch.

Funny story, the recruit would have passed down.

That's not very funny

Also I knew Epi was bad since around the Sabie lynch, but I didn't have time to get him lynched since we were so busy lynching all of the other baddies/ losing

If Team Recruit actually thought I was The Master, why use the lynch switch on me? You wouldn't have been able to use that to make a case against me, because all the post would say is that no one was lynched, and nobody would have known that it was switched off of Bass.

I think the big lesson to be learned is that if you're going to have a cross-factional BTSC recruiting group, they shouldn't have easy or reliable access to a kill.

When Team Secret Animal won bigs' and seals' LOST game on LP many moons ago, we could only recruit every other night, and it only worked on players without BTSC, and recruits lost all previous powers, and we had no kill! The final lynch of the game was decided by Rock Paper Scissors! Those were the days!

linki: Hey splintsy, Roxy killed me too! I think she was scurred of us

I had so much fun playing this game, seriously. I know there has been complaints of how intense it got but I always thought that it just reflected how passionate everyone was about this game. At the end of the day we're all still friends, but while we're in that game we're like chickens with our heads cut off trying to figure out what's going on and who cut all our heads off. It's brutal, but beautiful?

I hope everyone who played had fun and keeps playing!

juliets wrote:And why the heck did you insanify me?

I tried to insanify MP on that night but it was redirected onto you sweet jules That's how I knew targets got redirected that night.

By the way JC, I don't think I ever set the record straight, I wasn't on the goblin team in the Hobbit game when they killed you. I would never harm you! I subbed in right after that.

That's a lot of recruits. Civvies didn't stand a chance.

You jerks I was on to you MP!!!!

Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame!

Lame that the civs didn't win, anyway. This was an AWESOME game Bea and BWT, I had a great time in both my roles. I loved how talkative this game was.

Grats winners, can't wait to see how it all went down.

(Who fucking got me lynched?!?!?!)

keys56000000000 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:...and that's terrible. Buggers certainly delusory. RIP verticity 2.0. I Lost Rabbi have any ideas about Miro switched the tillage jaundiced you would think it vlei be bass or Novinha ...and that's terrible.

Thank you for the kind words juliets

Haha, I love you, man. RIP. Good to see you in a game again.

You too dude hope you keep playing!

juliets wrote:...and that's terrible. Buggers certainly delusory. RIP verticity 2.0. I Lost Rabbi have any ideas about Miro switched the tillage jaundiced you would think it vlei be bass or Novinha ...and that's terrible.

Thank you for the kind words juliets

I don't see the evidence or reasoning against DF other than "quiet" and "careful" (keys' word was "perfect"). Those words don't mean anything to me, especially re: DF who is almost always on the quieter side. So I'm a bit confused by the votes for him, not to mention he just survived a Strax kill which narrows him down to like 2 baddie roles and 20 civvie ones...

Can someone put up an actual case on DF, maybe with some quotes and analysis?

Voting Bass for now.

BR, if it helps any re: DF, I think that some if not all of last night's targets were redirected.

BR who are your top suspects and why?

For the record I don't think Snowy is bad but the way Keys worded that post struck me as a bit off.

keys56000000000 wrote:Personally I don't think Snow Dog is a Cyber/Master. He's obviously misguided, but I don't think that means he's bad. He could well be recruited, but it remains to be seen how much of a threat, if any, that represents to us.

Keys, is there a reason you think Snow Dog couldn't be those roles but he could still be a recruit? Since you leave open the possibility that he's been recruited to the side of evil, it can't just be that you're getting good vibes from Snowy... it sounds like you've got the inside track on knowing which roles he could or could not be.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Also, it's worth mentioning that I also thought the Bass claim that he looked into past games and compared their playstyles to be not believable. Like, he had time to do that kind of research across multiple games for two different players, yet he still has only 50 posts in this game. BS alert, most definitely.

Excellent catch, LC! I dare say you're probably right.

It wasn't a good catch when I said it the first 2 or 3 times?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Linki: Now TH, that is an interesting argument. I would think it's a possibility, really, but I don't think S~V~S is the recruiter. Not at all. She could be a recruited role, however.

MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S cannot be the recruiter role. She can be recruited though.

Okay doc I heard you the first time Looks like you are very clearly stating that SVS does not have an original baddie role.

Re: Roxy backing off of her Hedge suspicion... two things.

1) Her case was not getting much traction. Baddies tend to hop off lynch trains that don't leave the station.
2) Her buddies Made and Enrique were currently getting lynched and Roxy attempted a TON of damage control.

I think she just got distracted/moved onto other things. Being recruited by Hedgeowl is not the only explanation for Roxy's behavior towards Hedge.

She could be either one, I guess... I should have said "I think SVS is on Team Recruit". Although I hope there's only one or two people left on that team since we've already lynched two recruits.

It cannot be unseen. I think SVS is the recruiter. Normally in a game of mafia, SVS will have plenty to say about Roxy, she's not afraid to offer her own opinion on the matter, she'll tell you the way she sees things. SVS will analyze Roxy's tone, word choice, level of snark etc to determine if she believes Roxy to be bad or not.

None of that thought process showed up at all in this game. And yet, almost all mentions of Roxy in those 13 posts are a defense of Roxy. Or rather, SVS decided to talk about the players who were talking about Roxy, questioning their intentions... she did not discuss Roxy herself.

Click this link to be taken to all of SVS's posts. Enter "Roxy" into the Search box. Hit Enter. Roxy's name will be highlighted every time that SVS typed it in this thread.

I think this is definitely worth a discussion... and I definitely think SVS would recruit Roxy if she had the chance.

What does everyone think of SVS so far? I've not seen her take any heat yet but I also don't see anyone vouching for her or trusting her. It feels like something is missing from her game but I can't quite place my finger on it. Less conducive to open discussion? Her posts seem to go down carefully mapped avenues of thought, unlike those of a freewheeling baddie hunter.

I'm probably voting for Bass but that seems like yesterday's news already. Bass hasn't said or done anything to make me doubt the evidence against him. I brought up a point about Bass saying he went back and read old games of Made's and Enrique's in order to figure out they were bad. It sounded like bulloney to me and he never responded to it. I think he got rolechecker info on one or both of them and dressed it up as his own research. Especially considering Bass doesn't have many contributions to the discussion this game, that point really sticks out.

Chris wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'd want to know why.

I have a theory that the recruiter can't vote for anyone that they've recruited. And possibly that anyone they've recruited can't vote for anyone on their team.

It's slim, but I think I see it in the votes...

That seems a silly and arbitrary rule which would limit that team's ability to play strategically. What gave you this idea? Where in the votes are you "seeing" this?

Chris wrote:I'm not Dom. But I can't find anything in his posts that suggests a connection to anyone who could be The Master. I'm also assuming that being recruited would sever any former BTSC. That could be a wrong assumption, but I believe it's the norm.

I haven't played in any game where that has been the case. I don't believe it's the norm, maybe we've just played different games. Wouldn't that tip off the former team that they've been compromised?

Keys I see you've got your vote on Hedgie atm, what're your thoughts there?

Blooper who do you think could be the remaining Cybermen?

Bass has still not responded to the allegations that he is Sabie's teammate.

Free drugs for the master if he outs himself

Chris wrote:There's NOTHING to work with when looking for The Master or the recruiter. The Master's BTSC partner was recruited, who knows when, and most likely never had contact. What is there to look for?

I think we need dumb luck to get either. But it ain't me.

I'm not talking about the master recruiting MM though. I'm talking about whoever recruited Roxy. Why can't we look at how people played with Roxy? Who voted for her, who didn't, why or why not, that seems like a good start. Why are you saying there's nothing to look at?

He's bringing up a lot of cases, drudging up voting records etc but he hasn't looked into any leads on who recruited Roxy. I think it was him. In addition he's been obsessive in mentioning he's not the Master which just makes me think he has a different role to hide.

I think Chris is the recruiter.

Anyways I still suspect Epi and if I'm alive after the night post I'll be sure to start picking that case apart. But I'm still just as concerned about Bass. And I think we need to start making some headway on finding The Master and the recruiter before it's too late.

I remember what I said that prompted Keys to vote for Epi now. We were talking about Canuck and whether or not she'd sub out as a civvie or baddie. FWIW I think each is equally likely. It's definitely a flimsy premise for a vote.

Why did you vote for Epi in the first place Keys? Just following Chris?

keys56000000000 wrote:Chris, just want to clear up the fact that my vote for Sabie had nothing to do with your cases. I switched from Epig to Sabie because my vote for Epig was based on flimsy circumstantial evidence, whereas Sabie seemed quite conspicuous.

To me it felt like you switched your vote because Chris asked you to in order to help save him. Was that not the case? And when did you change your mind re: your vote for Epi, did you always believe it to be based on "flimsy circumstantial evidence"? And what do you think about Epi now?

Maybe Epi's entire baddie team is about to get decimated and he doesn't feel like going through the motions anymore.

And maybe he's having fun doing all those other things instead of playing mafia, I'm sure he is, but the Epi I'm used to would brag about how he had time for real life AND mafia.

Chris,I never got an answer to my question here:

Turnip Head wrote:Who do you think could be the recruiter Chris?

LC, who are your top suspects for Day 9?

I voted for Biblios, it seems the goodliest.

I'll keep your thoughts in mind MP but as far as I'm concerned anyone could have been recruited at any point in timey wimey.

linki: I suspect we'll be talking more about this tomorrow, but there's a lot of good stuff floating out there connecting Epignosis to Sabie. I've also made a case on Bass. Ninja's throwaway vote is a bit concerning to me, and Snowy I suspect the least but I can see where some of the concern is coming from re: him.

Wait, those are the players who concern you re: the mystery recruiter? Or something else?

Who do you think could be the recruiter Chris?

No, it's just my personal read of her.

Well I think the idea of Elo being The Master is definitely wrong so won't spend too much time on it. You said your case was vote records based, and I was going to point out that Elo voted for MM over Epi on the day where they were tied. Elo had previously expressed suspicion of Epi2.0 as well so I think that move would not make any sense at all for Elo to make if she had BTSC with MM. I thought it was preposterous that you even suggest it and it made me think you had some nefarious reason to bring it up to BR without fully researching it first.

Wow somehow I didn't catch it

Chris, have you had time to check Dom's voting record and put together your theorized scenario about Eloh?

I want to hear your scenario Chris.