The Syndicate

Congrats G-Man and SpaceDaisy! Well deserved by both of you

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was extra pleased to adopt the strategy of fake peeking to success here, even though I initially blew it by peeking Elo as my n0 peek multiple times. Lol.

More civilians should have peeked though... when only 5 of us did (and 2 of them were mafia!), I was really scared that the mafia were going to narrow down the cop quickly. It makes no sense for the cop to leave no breadcrumbs behind, so I was shocked when zebra and Sorsha were killed.

Wow yeah, I just realized that you and I were the only non-cop civilians to do that I think it really works in this setup, though it's odd that the mafia didn't try to take us out based on this. I think the kill targets was the mafia's major misstep. So I guess it worked out this time.

I started thinking Daisy was the cop after this post and then I knew for sure after this one. Right after that, MP came out with his third or fourth cop claim so I assumed he saw the same thing I did. I figured he was trying to bait the kill so I tried to help him out :P Everyone played that perfectly.

The mafia probably would have still been screwed even if they killed Daisy that night, because I think MP and I would have kept working together and Daisy had it narrowed down to just the two of us and the baddies.

Haha good game everyone. Thanks for conceding baddies, it wouldn't have been much fun to drag it out. Thanks for hosting Jay!

MVP voting will be tough, I thought Daisy and MP both played amazing. It was a great team effort.

Don't work too hard G-Michael, we've got this pretty much wrapped up. You've done a great job roleplaying too, I didn't notice until today that you've been treating each Day like its respective season of the show

Elohcin wrote:What if Sloonei and SD are the baddies and SD is just doing a great job at making you think she is the cop? I think this is a possible scenario.

In that case we can afford one mislynch before LyLo. My preferred order would be Sloonei (who you think will flip bad regardless), and then you, and then if you flip civilian we can lynch Daisy the next day and still win.

Spacedaisy wrote:I must say Sloonei, you have done the best job role playing!

This!

Sloonei wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Perfect Line em up knock em down. The baddies can either concede or we can drag this out for another 5 RL days. Good game either way!

what makes you believe her so easily?

She's been laying breadcrumbs for a while now. I'm surprised the baddies didn't pick up on it. I see no reason to doubt her.

Perfect Line em up knock em down. The baddies can either concede or we can drag this out for another 5 RL days. Good game either way!

In any case I know who the baddies are, if I'm right about the cop. The only question is which one to lynch first.

I guess I should say I hope the cop checked me. If I'm right about who the cop is, he or she has the baddies narrowed down to 2 out of 3 people including me. If the cop checked me, then he or she will know exactly who the baddies are, and the baddies might as well concede.

BAHAHAHA, silly baddies. Well played MP

I assume the real cop checked me last night. If so, this should be a wrap.

Sloonei wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I got the feeling that MP is unsure about a few of the remaining players, and said what he did to illicit further reactions.

Do you believe he is the cop?

I don't see anyone disputing it.

I got the feeling that MP is unsure about a few of the remaining players, and said what he did to illicit further reactions.

Elohcin wrote:Thanks, TH. You are quite a lot of fun to play with, especially in BTSC (but its been a while since that's happened). And, I like that you're always in tune with what's going on and you make your points clear. Next time we all get together you will have to make a way to join us. I am really hoping we can all get together this summer. I say a Syndicate beach trip is long overdue.

That sounds like a lot of fun

G-Man wrote:I'm going down to the Church and State fair and I'm going to find the recruiters and join the army.

Oh thank god, now I can finally get out.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, everyone? I actually am the cop.

Damnit MP.... here I am trying to cover for your ass and you keep making it obvious

I like playing with you too Elo Here's my list.

Turnip Head
SpaceDaisy
thetlama73
Lovedelic
G-Man

MovingPictures07

Sloonei 2.0
Elohcin
DrWilgy

I picked up what you were putting down Daisy. If you're right this game is gonna be really easy.

Well at least you're not going down without a fight. That puts your teammates in a tough position, though I have a feeling they've both already voted for you.

DrWilgy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Linki - What's the possibility of me not being cop nor bad?

5/9

If you're not the cop and you're not bad, explain why you claimed cop and gave a dead player as your Night 2 peek and expected that to somehow spare your life. Like I said Day 2, like I said again before you changed your peeks... you would have been better off coming in with a red peek today. You didn't go for it then, but now you are. What changed your mind?

I suspected Sorsha day 2, why wouldn't I claim a cop peek on her? Would lying about the actions I would make as cop make any sense if I wanted it to be believable?

Well I think there's a difference between lying about something because it's "believable" and lying about something to help us make the right choice about you or help us solve the game. Fake peeking Mother accomplishes nothing EXCEPT looking believable. I have a hard time believing that vanilla Wilgy would make a decision by going through that thought process.

A timeline of important events:

Turnip Head wrote:If I'm killed tonight all my peeks were false and I left my real peeks much more subtly. If Wilgy doesn't come out with a red peek tomorrow, lynch him.

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

But I'm the cop,
n0 - Sloonei
n1 - MP
n2 - Sorsha

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:n2 - Sorsha

That's an awfully convenient n2 selection.

Of course I checked her. I thought she was the one framing me, or at least a baddie who would ignore my green check.

DrWilgy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Wilgy you would have been better off coming out with a red peek like I suggested

But I didn't get a red peek.

DrWilgy wrote:Maeby, if I were to tell you that my real check last night was Elo, who would you vote for?

WIlgy has lied about things he has no reason to lie about if he were civ. The Sorsha related stuff is Grade A Baloney.

DrWilgy wrote:Linki - What's the possibility of me not being cop nor bad?

5/9

If you're not the cop and you're not bad, explain why you claimed cop and gave a dead player as your Night 2 peek and expected that to somehow spare your life. Like I said Day 2, like I said again before you changed your peeks... you would have been better off coming in with a red peek today. You didn't go for it then, but now you are. What changed your mind?

MovingPictures07 wrote:If Wilgy were the cop, I'm convinced he would have played this differently. A n2 greek peek on Sorsha was unbelievable and so is the n2 red peek on Elohcin.

If he was the cop he had no reason to give a fake green peak of Sorsha the night after she dies. That makes no sense.

Spacedaisy wrote:You all want to talk I would love to talk about any of the following:
Turnip Head

I'm all ears.

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I would vote for you first and her second. In short I don't believe your cop claim anymore. It makes no sense. I have a group of about four people that I feel certain contain the entire baddie team, with one additional one who may be fooling me, but I highly doubt it. You and she are both in that group. So if you are civ, she is definitely not. But I don't believe you are and I doubt she is either. I think you are both bad.

What part makes no sense?

Even if you're the cop I don't believe you have a red peek on Elo. The beginning of toDay would have looked a lot different if you did.

MP if your cop claim is fake, now's the time to drop it. Wilgy's claim looks like some baloney but I think we should let this play out with as much truth as possibles.

Sloonei wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Oh, I thought there had been a lot more Heists. While I'm leaning toward trusting MP and his claim for now, I do not like how much it has stagnated the conversation today. Yesterday had an interesting finish that hardly anyone is talking about. The metalmarsh voters should all explain themselves if they haven't already.

You should read the thread if you haven't already And you are free to talk about whatever you want to talk about. I want to talk about G-Man. Do you want to talk about G-Man?

We can talk about G-man. Do you have anything to say about G-man?

Yes I do, but I hate repeating myself. Have you read the thread?

Sloonei wrote:Oh, I thought there had been a lot more Heists. While I'm leaning toward trusting MP and his claim for now, I do not like how much it has stagnated the conversation today. Yesterday had an interesting finish that hardly anyone is talking about. The metalmarsh voters should all explain themselves if they haven't already.

You should read the thread if you haven't already And you are free to talk about whatever you want to talk about. I want to talk about G-Man. Do you want to talk about G-Man?

Sloonei wrote:

thellama73 wrote:That lynch was super suspicious, and has rocketed MP and ELohcin to the top of my suspect chart (MP is always hovering around there anyway). But I agree thta it was likely a WIlgy save and we should start there.

According to g-man's analysis, the people not voting for Wilgy at the end of yesterday were MP, Spacedaisy, Elohcin, G-man, and myself. MP is the supposed cop who is telling us all to vote wilgy today, so we'll see how that turns out. I have not played a setup like this since I was very new to Mafia about 3 years ago, so I've been very surprised at how the role of the cop has been handled in this game so far. Could somebody tell me how likely it is for a vanilla town to fake a red cop read?

This is only the second game on this site with this setup and the cop died N1 last time, so no one can really answer this. IMO MP'S claim is almost irrelevant because Wilgy counterclaimed with almost 0 conviction. I expect a cop Wilgy to be fighting for his life.

G-Man wrote:Also worth noting is this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ron Howard's voice wrote:List of n0 green peeks:
a2thezebra - N/A
DrWilgy - Sloonei
Elohcin - N/A
G-Man - N/A
lovedelic - N/A
Metalmarsh89 - N/A
MovingPictures07 - Elohcin
Ricochet - thellama73
Sloonei - N/A
Spacedaisy - lovedelic
Sorsha - N/A
thellama73 - N/A
Turnip Head - G-Man

The people who didn't make a cop claim are the only ones dying so far. The bad guys also NK'd another non-cop-claimer. What say you over-analyzers of kills?

Mother claimed a green peek on me, she just did it more subtly than some of us.

G-Man wrote:I'd like to hear from Annoying Voice-Over Guy as to what his thought process was in changing gears from Lucille, to Steve Holt, and finally starting the lynch train on my dad. Pretty weird how you switched from the player who ended up getting NK'd to a player who was suddenly deemed off-limits due to replacement, to someone who's last minute vote would have been the worst possible decision for a bad guy. I mean, what the hell?

I'd like to hear from G-Michael as to what his thought process was in changing gears from Mother, to Elohcin, and finally to Llama, making no effort to stop the lynch train on MM that you're holding MP solely accountable for.

If you thought MM's innocence was obvious, you could have helped save him by putting your vote on Wilgy.

G-Man wrote:Oh, and I wasn't following Aunt Lindsay's vote around at the end of the day. She was following my vote around. Go back and check. She said she was following my vote so long as it landed on someone she was comfortable seeing lynched. Worth noting is that she did not follow my vote when I switched to Maeby.

I'd love to do that but you didn't post to record any of your votes in the thread. I see you had time to put them in your spreadsheet though.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

No no....you can't do that. You denounced being the cop, now you're claiming again?

Let him do his thang. I'm sure he has a good reason.

MP, do you wanna talk about G-Michael? Have you read his ISO lately? He was following Wilgy's vote around most of yesterDay, only he wasn't posting to go along with it, so it's not on the record at all. They both had their votes on Mother and then they both had their votes on Elohcin, at a time when Wilgy was leading the pack with 3 votes. Once I brought it up Wilgy moved to MM and G-Michael switched to Llama, again without saying a word.

Wilgy you would have been better off coming out with a red peek like I suggested

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

Lmao thanks for backing me up bro but I got this

Elohcin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:It is abundantly clear to me that the Doctor needs to be lynched today. You're bad, sista

What do you mean by this, TH. Who are you talking about? And why would we want to lynch the doctor?

I'm talking about the person I currently have my vote on, for reasons I've already stated, and other reasons that I'll get to when I get a minute.

It is abundantly clear to me that the Doctor needs to be lynched today. You're bad, sista

Mother?!!! WHY?!

If I'm killed tonight all my peeks were false and I left my real peeks much more subtly. If Wilgy doesn't come out with a red peek tomorrow, lynch him.

G-Man and Wilgy's votes have been in sync all day. First they were both on Sorsha, now they're both on Elo. G-Man spent most of his breath today justifying the mafia's kill target as logical.

Sorsha wrote:TH are you keeping your vote on wilgy?

What's the word on mm? Why does he have votes?

He's doing a good job making me doubt myself but I think I'm sticking to my guns.

I'm not opposed to an MM lynch but I feel like it won't tell us anything one way or the other. I don't suspect the people who are voting for him so if he flips civ I'd have nothing to go on.

Sloonei I'm sorry I helped get you lynched, but as Day 1's go it was the best I could feel good about. I didn't entertain other options because I didn't really have other options, it was a particularly unproductive Day 1 and I held you slightly accountable for that. Maybe I tunneled you but at least I put myself out there.

MM has already admitted that he switched his vote off of you as soon as I voted for you, so that point is moot.

The time for pressure votes has passed if you ask me. Lynch ends in 45 minutes. Lines must be drawn.

linki @ Daisy: She had 3. Sorry if I made it pointless but I was just repeating what I had already said. I'll try not to interfere in the future but I think I made a good point.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

What do you think of my retort to that notion? She could have hit a cop claimer and Wilgy would have looked just as bad.

I think you defeat the purpose of pressure votes when you answer on behalf of someone else.

You're not taking into account the fact that Sorsha was my peek and she currently has more "pressure" votes than Wilgy. And tbh if she made this statement on her own behalf it would just be WIFOM.

DrWilgy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Why wouldn't Sorsha have tried to kill a Cop target who wasn't you then? That would give her the chance to take out the cop while still making you look bad.

Idk, maybe everyone claimed civs as civs correctly and they didn't want to reveal anyone as civ.

FWIW I did mention this possibility but it's counterproductive to the mafia's goals. They'll have to start cop hunting eventually.

Spacedaisy wrote:I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

What do you think of my retort to that notion? She could have hit a cop claimer and Wilgy would have looked just as bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What does everyone think of Ricochet?

I have no opinion at all, and will wait for him to be replaced.

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Why wouldn't Sorsha have tried to kill a Cop target who wasn't you then? That would give her the chance to take out the cop while still making you look bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

How did you reach the conclusion that MP is civ?

It's a Cop claim.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Turnip, answer me this one:

Considering Wilgy did put out Sloonei as his n0 peek, wouldn't he (and his teammates) specifically have tried to avoid a situation where Sloonei was lynched d1, to avoid this exact conundrum because he wouldn't be killed n1?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Spacedaisy wrote:Turnip, did you give one peek or two?

Two.