The Syndicate

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.

How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'll help the prisoners understand why they don't need to worry about Sloonei and Turnip Head in ways that those two cannot.

We know for sure that both dons are still alive. They cannot be arrested, and no lynches have resulted in a don flip.

Sloonei mechanically must be a don. agleaminranks the traitor was triggered to switch sides after Day 1. This means his don voted for him on Day 1. The following people voted for agleam on Day 1:

S~V~S - can't be don, was arrested
Golden - can't be don, was arrested
DDL - can't be don, was lynched and flipped Sockface
Epignosis - can't be don, was lynched and flipped Warden
Sloonei - alive and the don

Turnip Head is 98% likely to be the other don. An attempt to lynch him already failed, and a clear consigliere candidate is visible in thellama73.

I cannot be a cop because only one had been arrested when I was paroled (RadicalFuzz), and he was already modkilled.

This is why our focus is completely on chaindeath, Elohcin/Serge, and Soneji.

So to be clear, you think that Sloonei is the don because, even though his vote did not stay on Gleam by the end of Day 1, the fact that he voted for him at all triggered the defection? The Traitor role descritpion does seem to suggest this possibility.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Initial reactions to confirmed cop Dom not being lynched:

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:Or you for all we know Sloonei. Will have to evaluate some things

Epignosis wrote:There's more shortsightedness here than in a obstetrician's office from The Shire.

Nerolunar wrote:Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.

Elohcin wrote:

Spoiler: show

Turnip Head wrote:Well, it didn't benefit us for me to say this earlier, but I am aware of at least one possibility for both non-Don civilians and cops alike to have access to a lynch pardon.

Based on all information available to me, based on voting records and revealed roles etc, I find it nearly impossible that Dom is a Don. He could be a civvie that gained access to a lynch pardon, but I also find this unlikely due to this post:

Dom wrote:I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.

If Dom survived for a civvie reason, he would know that it is possible for at least one other civvie to survive for the same reason that he did.

In conclusion, I think we should lynch Dom tomorrow.

chaindeath wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Epi
Dom
Eloh
chaindeath

That is what I think the scum team looks like. We've probably already lost, but whatever.

And a list like that is why.

Punch some holes in mine.

I can't even fathom you being good at this point. Dom is not a Don and I don't think he's a Stool Pigeon (unsubstantiated), so I think he was saved by some scum mechanic. That leaves Elohcin, chaindeath, Nerolunar, and Soneji. Soneji and Nerolunar strike me as more believable townies than Eloh and chaindeath.[/quote]

Why?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero's reaction looks like top grade b/s.

S~V~S wrote:I am sorry. I tried to explain it yesterday.

Things did and did not happen for me based on TH and when he may or may not have been here. I really don't want to get modkilled at this point.

Dom wrote:I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.

indiglo wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I might even call Sloonei's shift opportunistic, but if he's a bad guy then I will eat my shoe and my foot inside it directly off of my leg.

I wish he were scum, because I'm not sure if I believe you.

indiglo wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on Scotty?

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Just becasue she misjudged YOU (which just about everyone did) does not make her bad.

I know that, like I said it's the timing of everything that concerns me. I admit I have a biased point of view on this.

Is bleck ruck yuoor strungest cese-a? Bork Bork Bork!

S~V~S wrote:Just becasue she misjudged YOU (which just about everyone did) does not make her bad.

indiglo wrote:Look at our Civ Core. Have we agreed unanimously so many times? No. Because we are thinking separately, coming up with suspicions, trying to figure things out on our own.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:To be suspicious of Long Con wasn't silly.

To tell him his focus wasn't broad enough when he was working out a case against his preferred suspect was silly. Like right now, my focus is entirely on Turnip Head. Because he's the one I've just cased, and he's the one I'm concerned about. I am not going to sprinkle comments about Quin or sig into this conversation because they aren't my current focus.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:No it doesn't, you just chose to read it that way.

Why would I build a smear campaign against you if I don't want to maliciously turn the tide against you for any reason not town-favored? Why would I smear campaign you if my read is sincere?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:There is no inconsistency. I specifically said I take it seriously when partners call each other out as baddies, civ reads between partners can be faked (see Epi getting fooled by Elo in Harry Potter for playing up her civ tells).

Epi being fooled by his spouse is evidence that his civilian read on her was faked? He was wrong. He was fooled. He didn't fake anything.

That's not at all what I meant, I meant that Elo faked her civ tells to get a civ read from Epi. Faking scum tells is counterproductive. Sorry if you don't understand this

I understand it perfectly. You just changed your story. Elo faked her civ tells, but she did not fake a civ read. Epi did not fake a civ read. A read is not a tell.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:LC focusing on Nero while being ambivalent about sig and Quin was like, the crux of my suspicion, but you seem to have missed that. Talk about smear campaigns

Wait, what's that? You think Prisoner 509378 is smearing you? The guy/gal who is seemingly mechanically immune to suspicion? Go on.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:There is no inconsistency. I specifically said I take it seriously when partners call each other out as baddies, civ reads between partners can be faked (see Epi getting fooled by Elo in Harry Potter for playing up her civ tells).

Epi being fooled by his spouse is evidence that his civilian read on her was faked? He was wrong. He was fooled. He didn't fake anything.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I almost forgot my three asterisks:

TH goes after Long Con.***

*** Apart from the points being made above, Turnip Head's reasons for suspecting Long Con were absolutely silly. He essentially accused Long Con of tunneling, implied that tunneling is what baddies do, and then gave him crap for failing to focus on more names when in the process of writing a case against someone specific. That makes no sense, I don't believe for a minute that Turnip Head bought into his own case, it was a smearjob and he's bad.

Die cop die.

sig wrote: Also I dislike Th last minute vote.

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I call Silver town too and I listen to her reads like I listen to everyone's. But this isn't Follow the Leader, we're not a pack of lemmings. Everyone is going to bring their own perspective to each lynch.

I understand that but right now FMPOV silver has been the most accurate and most town read so to me shes should be the most listened to. i mean right now most people have been doign everythign else and silver has been fighting that for a while and she so far has been accurate on those so i put more stock into it

I know we lost the box ages ago, but the Mafia manual is still up in the top shelf of the closet. I recall there being a section on "What to do When Accused." I know it's still up there. I can find it for you.

ika wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I call Silver town too and I listen to her reads like I listen to everyone's. But this isn't Follow the Leader, we're not a pack of lemmings. Everyone is going to bring their own perspective to each lynch.

I understand that but right now FMPOV silver has been the most accurate and most town read so to me shes should be the most listened to. i mean right now most people have been doign everythign else and silver has been fighting that for a while and she so far has been accurate on those so i put more stock into it

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:We are going to lose this game if we don't start lynching more cops.

Hello, John Madden.

ika wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:ika should we listen to Silverwolf today?

If i call her town you should lsiten to her reads even after she is killed. there ahev been games where town have won based ont eh single fact they lsitend to her reads.

I havent said much after last night cus i still feel like shit about the post i made to silver that night. Sometimes you have to take a few myslynches to get all the scums. TBH i lost all motivation to kinda play after last night and i would rather be lynched then sit here waiting about a circular discussion.

Even though silver is wrong on me, do not give her shit about it and continue to listen to her. I trust her reads more than i trust my own

Silverwolf wrote:BTW-I feel like this entire day phase has been town turning against me and scum sitting back and laughing.

Town is gonna lose this game and there is nothing I can do to prevent it. That frustrates the shit out of me. And to be criticized for my play on top of it is just enough for me.

I'm tired of it. I'm seriously done now.

indiglo wrote:Ok, so anyway, what is the preference here? Stick with Boomrique? Or switch to ika?

ika wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I really wish town would stop defending him because it's annoying the shit out of me.

This. This right here. This is shit town play. I don't give a shit anymore. You're being condescending, and I don't like it. We're defending Epignosis because we think you're wrong. If you don't listen to our reasons for thinking you're wrong, then that's your problem. Jesus H. Christ.

But the thing is you're speaking like a sith to her, you're not taking any revaluations on it, you're not considering her POV either. What happens to listening to the town core?

indiglo wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I really want to take a leap of faith and trust Silver about ika.

Here's what my paranoia is doing to me - what if ika is scum and several scum team members are voting ika (a member of their team) for civ cred? (While they let a bunch of civs follow another mislynch.)

sig wrote:I can see the Bloom lynch, and I'm fine with it. However I think Ika is a better choice and I don't understand how 509 and the other Ika defenders don't see his obvious attempt at emotional manipulation. I don't think Ika thought Silver would ever get 100% scum read on him, he said so many times he would let himself be lynched if she thought he was 100% scum. SO why as soon as she believed this he pulled such a manipulative move? I think he is scum who believed he had tricked Silver, and when he realized he didn't he attempted to appeal to her emotions. Which worked until she reread his post.

I don't think so, Epi wasn't catching any steam even before the CFD. If anything it would have made more sense to wagon onto Fuzz. This didn't happen however, look at the people on the Ika wagon who have been lynched. Gleam and LC I believe both flipped civ. LC was the player who tied the wagon to Fuzz. SO either he is the seemer which we agreed isn't likely. Or a portion of the people on Ika are civ as well. So I think it is extremely possibly we had two scum wagons, and if there was any planning it was clear Ika had a better chance to survive them Fuzz so they went with a Fuzz lynch.

Thinking about it more, I still believe there is a chance Epi is mafia. However, I'm more certain Ika is mafia. If I'm wrong lynch me tomorrow it will happen sooner or later anyway.

Also why do we so quickly see SW reads being golden to being bad? If Ika and when he flips mafia, those who are know discounting SW are most likely mafia.

linki: Nice Quin real nice. You do realize I made that post after Ika's emotional bullshit post right? How is that me sticking my fingers in a pie. I've been for an Ika wagon all day today and yesterday. I've gotta go soon but I implore you all to vote for Ika.