The Syndicate

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I went with Mac and Bass.

nutella wrote:Mac, I really don't know how to tell. Tbh I haven't noticed him very much, he seems to come in and give his two cents or point out a couple things/people he finds suspicious -- he accused me of sounding "fake" a couple times without much explanation. Someone who knows his meta better than I do said something along the lines of his style being aggressive(? was that the word they used?) and that he looked more or less his usual self, but I don't know, I've barely noticed him this game despite a decent post count. I'll ISO him right now because I'm curious now.

I think that's my main vibe re: Mac this game. He doesn't seem as conversational as I'm used to seeing him. He sort of just dips in and out and doesn't stir up too much trouble.

nutella what do you think about Mac or Bass?

I am by no means an expert on the subject of Glorfindel. I've thought before that I could read him and I was the driving force in mislynching him. That is my one experience playing with him.

And so I don't know how to explain it, but he feels sincere to me here.

I don't think Glorfindel is the way to go. I'll probably be voting for Mac and Bass. Bass's activity definitely dropped off after the first Day or so, so now I'm concerned about him.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also one think I just noticed: for all the meta talk about how Mac likes to pressure people and play aggressively, I don't recall seeing him do that since day 1. It's like he just attacked people enough to make people say "yep, that's the Mac we all know" then got satisfied and slipped into the shadows.

I agree. I think Mac is phoning it in atm.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:My first guess is that the sockpuppet is one of those things where they gain power when people quote them. I'm going to stay away for now

This is a weird assumption, folks. Why did your head go there immediately?

Is it because you know there is one?

Yeah Dom, that's it!

Where are you looking to vote for today's duel, Glorfy?

Damn girl. Nutella-san brought her A Game.

Honestly I thought they silenced me because I was onto timmer.

Oh I did say that I thought MM's team silenced me. In case anyone cares, the exact terminology was that I had been "kidnapped", but it was mechanically identical to the Nanman ability, so I do think it was them.

LoRab wrote:That TH came into the thread and stated that they were silenced and by what team

I did no such thing.

And no, I can't remember any games where MM and I were teammates aware of each other. I find it interesting that you think our banter was so different here, considering that I'm not bad. You can claim it's different but that doesn't make it true. Eventually MM and I will be teammates and we'll have to double down on this WIFOM dance. But if you're just paying the odds, hoping that it is this game, you're going to be disappointed.

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Quin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:My first guess is that the sockpuppet is one of those things where they gain power when people quote them. I'm going to stay away for now

I have never heard of such a role.

I have never heard of an electropunk mariachi band but I wouldn't be surprised if one existed

Oh my god.

I think you bring up some good points about LoRab, DF. I get the feeling that she's already made up her mind about me and she's making the narrative work to fit her suspicion. Confirmation bias or something.

But I also don't think she'd bother picking a fight with me if she was bad. She would either simply kill me or latch onto someone else's argument against me. I'm not the easiest person in the world to lead a lynch against, and she had a golden opportunity to get rid of me yesterday and she didn't. Just my two cents.

And Epi was in my BTSC crew for that Recruitment Mafia so I know he's aware of such a role. I think he's even used it before.

It was Mr. Popular and I'm sure I've seen it in other games too. And in one of the Recruitment Mafias, bea had to try to get people to quote her. I mean you don't see it all the time because it obviously works better with an element of surprise.

I will take the sockpuppet more seriously if it drops the language barrier act so that we can communicate without quoting the translations

Quin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:My first guess is that the sockpuppet is one of those things where they gain power when people quote them. I'm going to stay away for now

I have never heard of such a role.

I have never heard of an electropunk mariachi band but I wouldn't be surprised if one existed

Talk to the hand sista #homiedontplaythat

Quin wrote:sig's excuse was uni workload, which is fair enough. I wonder if American uni courses are supposed to be harder than they are here because people seem to drop off the face of the planet when they have stuff to do, and I'm in my third year and I'm just like, 'HEY GUYS WHO WANTS TO PLAY'

I don't blame sig for falling off the face of the earth if this is his first semester at college. He's probably meeting lots of new people and they're probably cooler than us.

My first guess is that the sockpuppet is one of those things where they gain power when people quote them. I'm going to stay away for now

Maybe only her vote for me was forced, and she's pursuing a genuine suspicion with Sorsha. I did note that she's still focused on Sorsha.

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

I think you should.

If I do, I may be punished.

I can see how this could be viewed as "implying info", but coupled with Elo's behavior since the vote occurred, I think it's much easier to view it as "I'm making this vote under duress"

nutella wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to assume that Elohcin has no interest in talking about her vote for me. I don't know what that means yet exactly, but it's certainly noteworthy Maybe she was forced to vote for me or something.

She very much implied she had info on you or Sorsha or both.

I don't think so. I think she would be playing differently if that were the case. She voted for me and hasn't wanted to talk about it ever since. She would want to talk about me more if she had info. Her vote for me looks more like a forced vote than anything.

Sorsha wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to assume that Elohcin has no interest in talking about her vote for me. I don't know what that means yet exactly, but it's certainly noteworthy Maybe she was forced to vote for me or something.

TH, what do you think of this post from Nutella?

nutella wrote:Damn. Sorry Timmer and RIP Rico.

I am inclined to go after Sorsha and TH today especially considering Eloh's implication. Russ is still up there for me as well.

Looks like nutella might have thought Elo had intel on us. I don't think that's indicative of her alignment one way or another. She did say later that she's willing to give me another look, so I'd say that's a good look.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to assume that Elohcin has no interest in talking about her vote for me. I don't know what that means yet exactly, but it's certainly noteworthy Maybe she was forced to vote for me or something.

I think if there is one person who can't complain about others not wanting to talk, it's you.

Well DDL, I'm not complaining. I'm observing events and reacting to them. That is my god given right.

I'm going to assume that Elohcin has no interest in talking about her vote for me. I don't know what that means yet exactly, but it's certainly noteworthy Maybe she was forced to vote for me or something.

nutella and Sorsha are civ reads for me right now just based on tone. I feel okay about DDL and Glorfy too.

CapsFan is someone I want to look into more. Mac hasn't gotten any heat and consequently he's been a bit under the radar, so I want to read through all his posts at some point. Elohcin remains a question mark. I think she tends to pay attention to me in games, I think she likes to figure out my alignment. She said nothing about me when she voted for me yesterday, so that makes me a little concerned about her. I feel like she would want to elaborate on her read of me but she specifically didn't do that.

And then there's a big chunk of players that I have no read on because they haven't said much. If you're a civvie and you fall under this category, your silence will probably hurt us in the long run. Please step up whenever you get a chance to do so, give us something to work with.

I'm going to return to this tomorrow with a more objective perspective.

Quin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I understand that jokes can sometimes be more than jokes, but also sometimes they're just jokes, and it's just such an innocuous thing that I think it should be a part of the Turnip Head equation and not the whole entire equation. Enrique came after me in the Arkham game based on a joke post and I was the goddamned Batman.

If I ever come around to voting you in this game, it will not be because of a joke post.

LoRab wrote:Listen, I get that you're frustrated. Although the tone of your defense also has me further suspecting you. I notice patterns. It's how I view the world. When something is off in a pattern, I notice it. Your joke was off in your usual pattern of banter

It's funny because we've played a gazillion games together and I think we still have no idea how to read each other.

I understand that jokes can sometimes be more than jokes, but also sometimes they're just jokes, and it's just such an innocuous thing that I think it should be a part of the Turnip Head equation and not the whole entire equation. Enrique came after me in the Arkham game based on a joke post and I was the goddamned Batman.

Quin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I mean... that post was a joke. I don't know what else to say about it except that it was very clearly a joke.

Spoiler: show

I also don't believe you read all the links because the very first one links to the "Don't click this topic" game and by that game's rules you'd have to post and admit that I made ya look

Would you expect a reasonable person to comment here about you linking to the 'don't click this topic' game? Even in passing?

This is going to be one of those questions that I ignore.

I mean... that post was a joke. I don't know what else to say about it except that it was very clearly a joke.

LoRab wrote:You mischaracterize the accusations on you. It wasn't just voting for MM, it was about you buddying up before that. And his voting for you for prefect.

I forgot to mention - THIS NEVER HAPPENED. MM voted Wilgy for prefect. He did not vote me for prefect. He voted for me on Day 1. I mean I just feel like this is a really big difference that you missed here so please recheck your facts.

LoRab wrote:You weren't lynched because it was realized you were silenced. And the votes for you didn't come at the elevnth hour--they were coming in throughout. You're painting the last lynch in a way that it didn't happen.

As I have already said, I read everything. As it was happening. Completely unable to believe my eyes. I know exactly when I got votes and how they influenced the vote tallies. I know who didn't vote for me because I was silenced - that would be you and nutella. Scotty said "So what if he's silenced?" And the other three said nothing at all, and it was AFTER you said you weren't voting for me.

I'm painting the lynch exactly how I experienced it, from my POV, how I perceived it... and tbh I'd have no reason to paint it in a false light even if I was bad so I don't know why this is even important.

Quin wrote:Hey losers, guess who just took the top spot for in-thread post count. This guy.

Well, except for 3J. He still has twice my post count and he died two phases ago.

And look what happened to him. Good luck with all that

But the baddies killed the two most reasonable people so tbh I don't have high hopes for my survival You guys do whatever you want. I'm not going to spend my time and energy in defense mode all game.

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Golden wrote:I like that post from TH.

If only I could have written it BEFORE you voted for me after it seemed clear I was silenced. I have to say that your vote surprised me more than anything else yesterday.

Why? I'm on the record many times as saying I haven't been reading the thread. How would I know you weren't posting in it? I didn't even know silencing was a thing happening in this game, let alone that it was a thing that happened to you.

My vote for you came without, as far as I recall, having read any of your posts in the game. It's worth having my votes on people who are going to get votes, because how people react to genuine wagons matters.

If you don't know why I'd be surprised to see you vote for me after not saying a thing about me, and then soending your whole vote post talking about how you weren't voting for timmer, still saying nothing about me...

If you don't see how I would be surprised by that, I don't know what to tell you. I know you weren't reading the thread. I've never seen you play like that before. You don't just theirs your votes around.

I didn't say I suspect you necessarily for it. I said it surprised me.

@Lorab And yeah it's pretty easy to look at my posts with the gift of hindsight like you did, but you rob my posts of all agency when you do that because you're not looking at the context. I would argue I did more than anyone except Jay (or Quin) to get the marmot lynched. I wanted to pit him against Scotty just to make sure the marmot hanged m

@Sloomei: I think what happened is no one gave him the Cliff Notes and he was like "Okay well fuck this then." If he was a baddie, I might have expected him to proceed with Option 2 and try to get his head in the game. But hell if I'm gonna be able to make a read based on that.

Linki @Lorab: it's like you didn't even read the links I posted about me and MM. I probably would have played similarly if I was bad with him, I fully admit that. But I've had this rapport with him over many games and the only one where I was on his team, I wasnt even aware of it because my role prevented me from knowing my teammates.

So if you lynch me based on MM being bad, in games where I've bantered with him on Day 1, according to historical record, you would be right like 1 out of like 10 times, and even then it would only be a freak accident that you were right MAYBE THAT'S WHY I DID IT

But remain unconvinced if you wish. You and I have plenty of history too Lorab, and I've learned better than to stress over your read of me

I have no opinion on BWT. I don't remember a single thing he's said. I certainly wouldn't save him if he was my teammate.

For all we know, no one at all was saved yesterday. I think it's premature to start pointing the finger based on the possibility of a save.

I was not worried about LoRab, like I said I don't blame anyone for looking into the WIFOM angle. My question for Lorab is I'd like to know when in the game she specifically started suspecting me, and did she ever consumer my actions from a civ perspective, because the case she presented is (obviously) biased towards the baddie perspective. Nutella sounded sincere to me as well. I think Scotty was mostly being spiteful because he didn't like how I was playing.

I was most concerned by the votes I got from people who had hardly posted all day, let alone say a SINGLE thing about me before voting for me. I believe these were Elohcin, Golden and Blooper. Watching it in real time I thought it looked like a timmer save, which has been proven wrong. But I think they need to explain themselves regardless.

Golden wrote:I like that post from TH.

If only I could have written it BEFORE you voted for me after it seemed clear I was silenced. I have to say that your vote surprised me more than anything else yesterday.

Well first of all, if I may say, RUDE. I really thought you guys were gonna do it. I really did.

I have read everything.




So I don't have time to respond point by point to each of my accusers from yesterday, but the first major talking point seemed to be about my banter with MM to start the game and I mean yeah, in light of the Wilgy business I can definitely see why that's worth looking into, believe me. But it seems that no one considered the fact that, ever since MM and I became shinigami bros in Death Note Mafia, we mayormaynot vote for each other

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So, I mean yeah, obviously you have to look into this after MM and Wilgy took turns pulling the WIFOM wagon, but the truth is that this is just a thing that MM and I do, pretty fucking often, and I'm surprised no one has ever noticed it before

(And to the person who said we caught MM for WIFOM so it might work with me too, I would argue that MM's WIFOM alone isn't what got him lynched - at least it wasn't for me. MM slipped. He voted Wilgy as prefect and then he also voted for him Day 1. And then he couldn't come up with any plausible answer for why. That's why I voted for him, and I'm sure it factored into many other's thought processes too; JJJ first and foremost, as he was the one who initially brought it up. For you to then reduce that case to "WIFOM"... I'll bet Jay was rolling in his grave and MM and Wilgy were high-fiving each other in Hell.)




The second point that I noticed that was common among my accusers was "He's rubbing me the wrong way" "He refuses to answer my questions." And to that I say... so what? There's more than one way to scumhunt, and one of those ways is not answering questions that I feel don't need answering. In pretty much every game I will do something "completely unhelpful" such as not answering someone's question directed at me and inevitably someone always gets upset when it's their question. The truth of the matter is Scotty, I didn't feel like answering your question because your question was so far removed from what I was trying to do, that it ended up being more fun to just fuck with you a little bit. Call that unhelpful if you want, but it's not like I'm not trying to be helpful in other ways. I'll say again that there's more than one way to play a good civ game, and sometimes that means playing the slow burn. Some people like JJJ and Ricochet come out here displaying their beautiful civvie feathers and they get taken out before the game even gets interesting. I'd argue that the only players who are worried about "looking weird" are the baddies, and they try to avoid it, because look what happens. Lynch the weirdos during the Day and take out the rational overt civvies at Night. It's a baddie formula that has worked since the dawn of time.

Anyways, to actually be RIGHT about MM this early in the game, only to get silenced by his team the next Day, then taking 5 votes and almost being sent to a duel despite not being able to say a word, only to survive and now have to face the mob of "HE WAS SAVED!!!!" ... it's as if it's all going according to my devious plan. I'm just as shocked as anyone to see I wasn't lynched the way those votes flew in at me in the eleventh hour. You know how much civ cred any of my teammates could have potentially gotten from sealing my fate while I was silenced?! I'd have told them to fucking take that free civvie card, because that kind of cover almost NEVER comes around. So yeah, if you want to now go after the "He was saved", well, you go on ahead with that, since I guess I can't really defend how anyone else played yesterday, and I certainly have no content of my own to point towards from yesterday, on account of being silenced and all


I've got some thoughts about specific people that I wanted to pursue, but I needed to get all that off my chest tonight.

Is it too much to ask we be allowed one reaction type post at the end of lynches?

Ignore my question please.

DDL, were there RL concerns that made you vote somewhat early? Or were you just that sure about your votes?

Confucius say war not determine who is right, war determine who is left.